#zoe deserves better

[pro-bee-sisters]

Andre: "I'm keeping Zoe! She doesn't deserve to have a mother like you, Audrey!"

Me: "No, let's try that again."

Andre: "I'm keeping both daughters, Audrey! You were a horrible parent to them both and while I wasn't perfect either, I'm gonna learn my lesson by being the parent they both need and deserve!"

#miraculous ladybug #andre bourgeois #audrey bourgeois #mlb s5 salt #mlb salt #chloe deserves better #zoe deserves better #pro chloe and zoe

[miraculousdeservesbetter2024]

It’s something that Thomas thinks we’re obligated to like Zoe and think that she’s SUPERIOR to Chloe just for the mere fact that “she’s sweet”, and anyone who doesn’t “just doesn’t get it”.

But…

What has Zoe REALLY done to be entitled to our love?

Let’s just take away Chloe from this for a sec, just a sec, seriously. What really IS IT about Zoe that’s any better than Chloe, other than being sweet?

Listen, I LOVE a good sweet, caring, nice and kind character! I really do (probably even my favourite kind), but even I KNOW that there’s more to making a great character other than making them “sweet”. There’s more positive personality traits in the world than just being nice, especially when “being nice” should be the bare minimum? As bland as the miraclass is, they DO have their own personalities. It might not be complex, but they DO have one. Hell, EVEN SABRINA AND LUKA have more personality than Zoe does.

Giving a bland character EVERYTHING on a silver patter, especially if they just arrived in a series, is NOT character development nor adding character depth. And this is not me trying to put Zoe in a bad light or anything! I just legitimately want to know what’s so special about her for her to deserve automatic praise??? If he wants us to like Zoe, then we at least deserve to have something more from her than her just “being nice” and being a Chloe replacement.

Her being Marinette 2.0. is not enough.

#zoe lee #Zoe Lee salt #chloe deserves better #zoe deserves better #thomas astruc #mlb critical #ml critical #mlb salt #ml salt #miraculous ladybug #ml #mlb #miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #miraculous #miraculousbeezcentral #bee miraculous #ml vesperia #vesperia salt

[eclipsesmoonshine14]

Ya know- I haven’t seen anything about the scene in Miraculous where Adrien was in Marinettes room trying to give her homework and they confessed their love but Marinette rejected him initially-

Not that scene in particular- but the party going on back at the school. Zoe is head over heels for Marinette and yet is the only one really concerned with how the confession is going and doesn’t automatically assume Adrien and she got together.

She’s the only one who looks genuinely concerned and doesn’t participate in the celebration of “Marinette and Adrien *finally* being together” but instead insidts someone talk to her and see how she’s doing.

What a woman-

#miraculous ladybug #miraculoustalesofladybugandcatnoir #zoe lee #marinette dupain cheng #miraculous lb #miraculous fandom #miraculous marinette #miraculous vesperia #miraculous paris #mlb marinette #marinette dupen chang #marinette cheng #zoenette #adrienette #marinette deserves better #zoe deserves better

[miraculouscriticismshub]

What if Chloe and Zoe had a good relationship ?

#miraculous ladybug #mlb salt #mlb writers salt #astruc salt #mlb #mlb season five #mlb season 5 spoilers #chloe bourgeois #chloe deserves better #zoe lee #zoe deserves better #pro bee sisters #andre bourgeois #andre salt #audrey bourgeois #audrey salt

[gameguy20100]

Ml fandom logic.

Chloe: Bully's everyone at school, makes Marinette’s life hell for 4 years at least. Sexually harasses Adrien, Abuses her sister and trys to deport her. Betrays Ladybug and sells her country out to a terrorist.

Fandom: Awww poor baby! Her mum is so mean! The others won't give her a chance!

Zoe: Uses her pain as motivation to make herself a new person. Is just genuinely nice and a good friend. And trys to do what's best for her friend's when it's clear they're troubled. Also uses her powers to actually be a hero.

Fandom: Uhh! So boring! Mary Sue!!!

#miraculous ladybug #ml fandom salt #Chloe salt #Zoe lee #zoe sugar #Zoe deserves better

[red-balloon12]

I can’t believe I’m saying this but….

WHY WOULD KAGAMI BE PAIRED UP WITH FELIX WHEN ZOE WAS RIGHT THERE??

I’ve heard enough from others to know that I’m not a fan of Felgami. Zoe would have been a better lover to Kagami. Like yeah, I have my grievances with Zoe, but I know that she’d probably love Kagami for who she is and not just because she’s a senti-monster UNLIKE SOMEONE-

#kagami tsuguri #zoe lee #felix graham de vanily #felix salt #zoe sugar #kagami deserves better #ml salt #felgami salt #zoe deserves better

[howhow326]

ML X BNHA au Part 3!

Part 1 here

Part 2 here

Lê Chiên Kim/ Roi Singe

Quirk: Uproar (Whenever Kim touches someone with all five fingers of his hand, that person's quirk goes completely out of control for five minuets!)

Kim is a star swimmer from Vietnam and an up and coming pro hero student... those are mostly his only good qualities. Back home, Kim was really know for the jokes he played on his other classmates. Some of them were just harmless pranks. Some of them were Kim using his quirk on other students, causing massive mayhem.

Kim's best friends: Max, Eijiro, Denki

Zoé Lee/ Vesperia

Quirk: Wasp (Zoe can do anything a wasp can! Including wings on her back that allow her to fly, antenna on her head that she can use sense smells outside the human range, and fingernails that are made out of the same material as a wasps stinger.)

Zoé Lee is the daughter of the dead rich man Mr. Lee and the world famous fashion designer / Pro Hero, Audrey Bourgeois. Her whole life, her mother molded Zoé into her image: a "proper" evil rich woman. Zoé kept up the act for most of her life, even making friends with the vilest rich kids imaginable. But everything changed when Zoé fell in love with a 'common' girl. Her friends shunned her, and her mother decided to get her out of the picture by sending her away to U.A. But Zoé will have her revenge, she knows that her mother is making deals with villains in exchange for wealth. Now, she just needs to learn how to prove it.

Zoe' friend: Shoto

Rose Lavillant/ Princess Fragrance

Quirk: Perfume (Rose's body emits a natural perfume that she can use to change other people's emotions. She mainly uses her quirk to stun people with happiness.)

Rose Lavillant is another exchange student from France and Juleka's girlfrend. She has an inherited illness but is properly medicated for hero work and is surrounded by love from her family and girlfriend. Rose is a bi lebebad. Rose is a bi lessbien... Rose like Juleka.

Rose's best friends: Juleka, Ochako, Mina

Juleka Couffaine/ Tigress Pourpre

Quirk: Tigress (Juleka can do anything a tiger can! Including be big and punch scratch people to death!)

Juleka Couffaine is the daughter of Anarka Couffaine, the ex wife of pro hero Jagged Stone and mother of Luka Couffaine. Juleka barely knows her brother because her father took him away. Juleka dosen't have many friends at school except her girlfriend Rose. All her life, Juleka feels like she was background character... but now, a change. Juleka is attending U.A. far away from home with her girlfriend and is finnaly going to spend time with her brother! Nothing could ruin this... except Chloe & Sabrina being there.

Juleka's best friends: Rose, Luka, Kyoka, Fumikage

Sabrina Raincomprix/ Vanisher

Quirk: Vanish (By relaxing her vocal cords, Sabrina can turn her body invisible. She can also extend her invisibility to objects she touches.)

Sabrina Raincomprix is the daughter of the police chief of Paris and best friends with Chloe Bourgeois. Once, they were equals, real best friends. But Chloe's quirk & her father changed her for the worst. She began seeing the people around her as tools to mock and laugh at. Sabrina mocked them too, laughed at them too, liked bullying the others with her best friend... until Chloe started bullying her. Chloe thinks that without her, Sabrina has nothing. But Sabrina knows that without her, Chloe is the one that has nothing. Blowing up her dad's life savings so she can attend U.A. along with the blonde, Sabrina is determined to make Chloe her real best friend again, even if it means making her feel worthless... or making everyone else feel worthless.

Sabrina's best friend: Chloe

#ml x bnha #mlb x bnha #ml x mha #miraculous ladybug #le chien kim #kim le chien #zoe lee #zoe deserves better #rose lavillant #juleka couffaine #juleka x rose #sabrina raincomprix #ml kim salt #couldnt help myself #not me making Sabrina girlboss villain who wants to get back at the person who wronged her

[fandomsarebrainless]

Zoé stans: Zoé wins over Chloé!

Me: If by wins you mean being stuck with her superficial abusive father, rejected by her crush, and stuck with a friend group that's for all intents and purposes complete shit then yeah I'd say she hit the jackpot.

#zoe lee #ml salt #ml writing salt #her situation is really not much better than chloes #both of them got screwed #I don't even like Zoé that much and yet I feel sorry for her #hope both her and Chloé make up and tell their parents to eat shit #andre salt #audrey salt #chloe deserves better #zoe deserves better #i cant fucking believe i'm using that tag but here we go #chloe bourgeois #obviously she got screwed too but you know that already

[iwasbored777]

How about y'all stop hating Zoe because the girl had literally nothing to do with your precious Chloé being kicked out of the team? Hate the writers, Zoe didn't write the script.

#It broke my heart how much hate this girl gets #Just because she's not Chloe #Y'all saw her picture and immediately hated her #Because she replaced Chloé #Hate Thomas all you want idgaf #But don't hate someone who did nothing wrong #miraculous ladybug #Zoe lee #Zoe sugar #Zoe deserves better

[indigomarina]

Fanfic Idea

Ugh! I had this idea to write a fic about what-if Marinette was evil instead of Gabriel! But now with the whole Shadybug and Claw Noir special coming, I feel I have to wait, so things like 'Good Gabriel's good guy name' and what he calls who makes heroes (currently I'm calling them champion but I don't know anything) are more accurate to the show!

Plot

Essentially, it would've been in this universe, so no Shadybug. Instead, her name would've been Miss Fortune (I've been in this fandom since the beginning, I've always wanted that name to be canon). She takes the image of a shy sweet girl Marinette Dupain-Cheng but when things don't go her way, she becomes Miss Fortune.

Luckily, Paris has a hero in its corner, the amazing Chat Noir who battles the evil Miss Fortune. However, he also has an ally in the form of Papillon, a mysterious benefactor who helps him by sending him champions.

Characters

Adrien will still be our innocent sunshine child, but he has a whole lot more on his shoulders, trying to stop Miss Fortune from wrecking havoc and eventually becoming Guardian.

As Chat Noir, he and the champion have to work together to fight Miss Fortune. I have this system where Miss Fortune has a anti-charm (like Anti-bug) and if the two destroy it, the world healing begins.

Alya is still how she is in the show. Except she despises Miss Fortune. Her blog is towards Chat instead and she insults Miss Fortune anyway she can. She wants to rid the world of Miss Fortune, unaware she's her best friend.

Chloe would be a much better person (she still has some of her original flaws, so she would be not be like Zoe), liking Adrien like a brother and treating Sabrina like a real friend. Of course, Marinette doesn't see their relationship as platonic so she targets her. This version of Anti-Bug would've have Papillon give Chloe the power of the original Ladybug miraculous until Chat decides to give her the bee miraculous to use.

Lila would've been a person who always told the truth and while not all of her stories from canon were true, she does have some real amazing tales. This attracts Adrien to her (again platonically) much to Marinette's chagrin. One story is that Miss Fortune stole her bag once and Chat Noir got it back for her. Marinette thinks Lila is lying and Chat doesn't remember Lila specifically but he does remember giving someone back their bag.

So she briefly becomes Miss Fortune to embarrass her but this just inspires her to become Volpina and her and Chat briefly work together to take her down.

Gabriel is a much better father here! He's still busy and Emilie is still dead. But he's allowed Adrien to go to school and have a less stricter lifestyle. He still misses his wife but goes on a more healthier path instead and tries to move on while helping Chat Noir as Papillon.

Zoe would've been a person who acted nice when in reality, she's a massive witch. She still has feelings for Marinette but Marinette takes advantage of these feeling instead. She assist Miss Fortune also, not liking when things don't go her way. Half of Chloe becoming akumatized episodes would be Chloe either needing the bee miraculous or her helping Chat as a champion. Zoe would play dumb when confronted but some people start seeing the truth through her and Marinette's lies.

Shipping

So Marinette likes Adrien to disturbing degrees. Finding her strange since kindergarten, Adrien at best can be civil towards her. In the Animan episode of this AU, he would've weirded out by Nino's crush on her but would've still helped him, because he's a good friend and he feels he would be a good influence of her.

He and Miss Fortune jokingly flirt with each other sometimes, but they really hate each other with a fiery passion.

Adrien is bisexual in this fic. Who is Adrien's partner? Luka. Instead of liking Marinette, he takes a shining to Adrien instead. Adrien is smitten as both himself and Chat Noir. Luka would be a frequent character in season 1. Often times, Chloe and Juleka (and sometimes Nino) would try pairing them together frequently.

Marinette used to have a crush to Luka and he used to give her a chance but with all the lying and her accidently making it clear she likes Adrien, he also can now only be civil to her.

Chloe is also bisexual. Nathaniel initially has feelings for her instead of Marinette in 'Evilluastor'. Season 1 would plenty of cute moments. Not sure I should write whether they broke up but are on good terms or have them be in a poly relationship with Marc and Kagami.

Down the line, Chloe gains feelings for Kagami. Marinette in this AU, never lets go of her mean feelings for Kagami and instead Kagami enters the scavenger hunt in 'Ikati Gozen' with Chloe, causing the two to bond. Kagami never has feelings for Adrien (but I'll say it again, Marinette doesn't see it that way).

That all I have to write, bye!

#marinette salt #miraculous ladybug #shadybug and claw noir #fanfiction #lukadrien #Evil Zoe #zoe lee salt #Yandere Marinette #adrien deserves better #chlonath #marcnath #chlogami #lukadrian #zoenette #chloe deserves better

[booasaur]

Special Ops: Lioness - 1x08

#specialopslionessedit #special ops lioness #special ops: lioness #cruz manuelos #sol joei #laysla de oliveira #zoe saldana #special ops lioness 1x08 #aaliyah x cruz #femslash related stuff #zootopia logic aside--because amrohi being bad is still more justification than deserved #most of the US's victims are completely innocent #this is still more than I expected from this show #for this target audience #didn't plan on making this and publishing it today but...yeah the war on terror is shit #just hurts many people and makes everyone unsafer in multiples of ways #I willlll say though #seems bizarre for cruz to not see things through and realize what a precarious position aaliyah's in now #but I guess this was where they wanted to leave things on #while better than expected the messaging still has many flaws #still holds up the military as quite pure and its flaws simply the result of fickle politicians #and the best way to humanize arabs is to simply show a variety of them #instead we got pretty much all shifty and evil and the One Good Exception

[miraculousdeservesbetter2024]

What do you think, how much would change if Zoe was presented as a character from the beginning? With her being Chloe's sibling that everyone knew about

I would like to think that there would be much more time for her to blend with the cast.

I would like this option better than them pulling this random Mary-Sue half sister out of nowhere. The ONLY reason why she was introduced like that was to have this "sweet girl from a rotten family" plot, to show the viewers that genes don’t define a person or whatever. I GET the lesson, but I don’t agree with how it was handled.

It would give us more time to warm up to Zoe and give her some actual personality other than a Marinette 2.0 or Sabrina 2.0 (minus the doormat tendencies).

While we're at it, it would've made MORE sense if she and Chloe were fraternal twins instead of half sisters (because it's almost impossible for them to be so without the story making Audrey look like a cheater).

At least if she was in the story gradually, it wouldn't feel like that she's SO out of place. If Thomas was ALWAYS going to add Zoe and replace Chloe as the bee with her, then she should’ve been introduced MUCH earlier.

I feel that they wasted a BIG opportunity for her and Chloe to have a sister relationship. In canon, it just seems that Chloe treats her just like any other character in the series, and Zoe just easily gives up on her despite only being there FOR A FEW WEEKS and Queen Banana says otherwise.

#like god #If your going to introduce Zoe as Chloe’s replacement AT LEAST don’t make it THAT obvious #give her some personality #zoe lee #vespeira #miraculous ladybug #ml #mlb #miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #miraculous #miraculousbeezcentral #chloe bourgeois #chloe deserves better #zoe deserves better #audrey bourgeois

[eclipsesmoonshine14]

Does anybody know of any Miraculous Ladybug Discord servers? In general and ones for Zoé Stans, if possible, lol??

#miraculoustalesofladybugandcatnoir #miraculous fandom #marinette cheng #miraculous ladybug #marrinette dupain cheng #adrienette #adrien agreste #miraculous adrien #zoenette #zoe deserves better #zoe lee #zoé lee #vesperia #ml vesperia #mlb marinette #chloe bourgeois #ladybug and chat noir #tales of ladybug and cat noir #cat noir #chat noir #kitty noire #scarabella

[miraculouscriticismshub]

A collage board surrounding Andrew Lee, who I headcanon as Zoe's father (He likely will never appear in the show so this headcanon cannot be debunked I guess). My headcannon is that Zoe’s father was a high-ranking military captain. Zoe’s father being in the military meant he travelled a lot and was very busy but still had time for his daughter. He loved Zoe a lot but when Zoe did something wrong, he wasn't afraid to discipline her. However when Zoe was 11 a war broke out in a foreign country so Zoe’s father went abroad to fight. This caused Zoe to be put into boarding school because her dad wasn’t able to care for her. He however was still a decent father and visited Zoe as much as he could. When Zoe told him about the bullying on the phone, he brought Zoe tickets to Paris because he had no other family to send her to. He wanted Zoe to get to know her half-sister and promised her it would be temporary and he would come back for her soon.

#miraculous ladybug #mlb #mlb season five #mlb season 5 spoilers #mlb salt #mlb writers salt #chloe bourgeois #zoe lee #audrey bourgeois #andre bourgeois #zoe deserves better #bourgeois family #andre salt #ml headcanons #zoe's father #mr lee

[gameguy20100]

If you salt on Adrien, Zoe, or Kagami but make excuses for Chloe’s bs because of Audrey.

Then you are a hypocrite, a moron, and in the case of Kagami, a racist.

All of these people are abused by their parents. Only one of them takes pleasure in abusing others.

Not up for debate.

#miraculous ladybug #ml fandom salt #Chloe salt #adrien deserves better #zoe deserves better #kagami deserves better #stop making excuses

[jeankirsteind]

Fanon!Chloes when she finds her OG creator did to her in the canonverse:

Well, just a little catharsis after finding out that guy is still involved in the next season even has full control and I hear the rumour there’ll be more mentally abuse for her both from Chrysalis, Audrey and our goodie heroes & sister who’s gonna giving speech no jutsu :3

#miraculous ladybug #ml salt #thomas astruc salt #anti thomas astruc #chloe deserve better #marinette salt #zoe salt #anime #migi and dali #migi to dali