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hazshit-hotel-hater · 2 days

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Niffty Redesign! (3/7)

Holy shit was not expecting to finish in the same day much less in like… under 4 hours??? IDK IM HAPPY WITH HER THOUGH!!!!

My biggest inspiration this time was lovebugs and specifically this LPS lovebug

Yes im colour picking Niffty from a littlest pet shop. Who is gonna stop me? Hasbro? They don’t even own LPS anymore!

Im making Niffty a bit tanner because while I see it a lot in other fandoms, I don’t ever see tan asian people in the Hazbin fandom, tbh this place seems like its allergic to melanin in general. There’s also a lot of stigmatisation around POC women in Hazbin like I’ve mentioned before. I plan on having Niffty deal with a decent chunk of stuff later on, a lot of it relating to obessions and romance and learning how to manage feelings like that and keep relationships with other people.

I wanted her socks to be cute but also held up by a garter belt so you can gather she’s got something going on. People seem to stray away from the topic of Niffty and sex or romance because they see her as a child or have infantalised her in some way. Yes ik I talk about this all the time but like GOD it pisses me off.

Her maid dress is actually a much darker shade of hot pink to the point its not really hot pink anymore but it is I promise

Niffty’s main sins are lust, wrath, and envy, seeing as she is a lovebug and also her current backstory is killing a lover out of jealousy. The redder pink parts are supposed to be a mix of lust and wrath so I hope that comes across well?

The same thing can be said about her clothes and all that. With her dress and the reddish hearts it’s supposed to be like “in one sin there’s another” but idk how well I pulled it off. The stitched up heart is also supposed to represent her hopeful/eventually redemption. I’d like to give Niffty more character than just “crazy small lady” so I’ll be trying to balance being somewhat like that with also being a bit sensible. I think it definitely could be done but I have doubts Viv will do much with it.

It really sucks that the POC characters and especially women they just get reduced to one or two traits and then thats it. Viv already is terrible at writing women and I think writing Niffty for her is just boring because, again, she cannot write women. 90% of this rewrite is me saving the women/hj

There will be more indepth Niffty content from me eventually, as of now this is my backbone for her design and overall story. Btw I think her rubber gloves are cute but make really annoying squeaking sounds 24/7. No idea if I’ll pull off another fast design like this, but we shall see!🐐

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emerald-oceans · 2 days

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I just don’t understand the disproportinate hate towards the shows. For a show that isn’t mainstream, will never be seen outside of the internet unless you come across someone sporting merch, and is fairly inoffensive and whose worst aspect is it’s ocassional mediocrity, you all seem to view it as the most vile thing to exist.

I just really like the characters and the songs and seeing people constantly shit on it like it’s the most heinous thing you could be a fan of and that if you’re a fan you’re a piece of shit and should be bullied really hurts. Just let us like it in peace, please.

#hazbin hotel #helluva boss #hazbin critical #helluva boss critical #vivziepop critical #vivziepop

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dapperinsanity · 1 day

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I ask this out of simple curiosity. How are the Charlastor shippers doing these days?

I never asked until now but I’ve been wondering that ever since Dad beat dad came out. To note…personally, I don’t care what people ship as I could care less about the show as it’s abysmal. Again, just curious.

#charlastor #hazbin hotel #charlie x alastor #hazbin critical #< just in case #I mean I only liked the pilot so I guess I’m a critical fan you could say #edit: adding this for clarification this is kind of a ‘fuck canon’ and enjoy fanon #please continue to have fun fanon side #I enjoy seeing what you make

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thecrazygamingzombie · 4 hours

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To anyone saying that Viv’s work is declining in popularity:

At the LVLUP expo, the Helluva Boss panel on Saturday was so popular that the main event room filled to capacity within ten minutes of letting people in and several hundred more weren’t able to even get into the panel because it was so crowded

Also the line to see Viv and get her autograph was several hours long.

Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are more popular than ever and will continue to grow, DEAL WITH IT.

#helluva boss #Hazbin hotel #Hazbin critical #Vivziepop critical #helluva critical #anti vivziepop

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theoddest1 · 2 days

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liking a problematic ship isn’t the issue, liking fanart of a prop ship isn’t the issue. The issue is that they failed at writing one. Angel just straight up hates Val, but we’re being led to believe he loved him at some point and from how Val is and acts it’s like “how?” Val is a nothing burger he’s not charming, he’s not manipulative, he’s not smart, or funny and im sorry to the VA but the performance is really bad. Val is just another stupid villain “a Karen of the group” except they made him into a rapist that the creator doesn’t want to acknowledge and dodges so hard. Not even vox likes dealing with him but again we’re lead to believe theres some type of affection between them aside from just being fuck buddies for fan girls to slobber over. You had your chance at writing toxic yaoi but you shot yourself in the foot by speed running your show to get the big unearned moments and dwelling on SA and trying to get a pop hit single on Spotify instead of writing about abusive relationships.

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#anon speaks facts #anon ask #vivziepop critical #vivziepop criticism #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin hotel criticism #hazbin hotel #hazbin fandom critical #hazbin critical #hazbin hotel fandom critical #viv get a grip

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gh0stygray · 3 months

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Working on a redesign of Velvette! I like how she acts in the show but I can’t stand her ashy grey skin, so I’m trying to do her some justice! I will also be cooking up some redesigns of the seraphim sisters.

I wanted to make her feel like she takes after both Valentino and vox.

I gave her white smudged make up on the form of a mask because it not only looks cool but I was trying to make her feel like a clown or doll? That’s what her past look resembled I’m not quite sure what she’s based off of or what kind of demon she is, I’d like to think she was a past model/ fashion designer who was very cut throat, bossy and very competitive, she seems very sure of herself, ambitious and opportunistic.

Maybe that lead her to some how falling of her high horse in fashion by a rival? Which resulted in her being called a hack or clown in which she retaliates by snapping on them killing her rival, career and self all in the same day.

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imab4dbitchucantkillme · 3 months

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😾💖🕷️

#the last one is my fave #the lil dancey dance #hazbin hotel #hazbin critical #huskerdust #angel dust #hazbin husk

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thats-ill-eagle · 3 months

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You know Viv fucked up, when even her hardcore fans are starting to realize how messed up the leak and the context surrounding it is.

#hazbin hotel critical #vivziepop critical #hazbin critical #vivziepop criticism #anti vivziepop

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nesperus · 3 months

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aaand the full lineup of the redesigns (husk and alastor individuals under the cut)

#hazbin redesigns #hazbin redesign #charlie morningstar #angel dust #vaggie motha #hazbin husk #alastor #niffty #hazbin critical #hazbin hotel #my art #redesigns #art #digital art #idk

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showtoonzfan · 2 months

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Rewatching the Hazbin pilot again, and ya’ll remember how Angel Dust was actually a dick on purpose? He didn’t care about the hotel, he was a selfish candidate who was just in it for the rent, he talked shit about Charlie and Vaggie behind their backs, he was a reckless jackass who didn’t know when to read the room and that was the point. He wasn’t a good person and he especially didn’t like or trust Charlie and Vaggie, so seeing his arc of gaining friends and being compassionate towards the people he didn’t appreciate at first in episode fucking 4/6 of the first season is so wild to me.

It’s so rushed and forced, especially for a character like Angel. It was clear from the pilot that while he had some redeeming qualities, getting along with others would take time. In the show however they manage to woobify him even more than he already was. He’s just so damn sensitive, there’s a big difference between him and pilot Angel. Pilot Angel didn’t give a shit about what other people thought of him, and he owned it. Show Angel is incredibly sensitive and pissed off at every little thing, he’s so whiny and desperate for some kind of approval, which on its own isn’t bad, it’s just too fast, not just that but it’s sudden with no buildup. In episode 2 of the show, he gets sad for some reason when Charlie is complimenting Sir Pen. Then in episode 4, he suddenly cares about her and there’s no explanation to why, same goes for Nifty in episode 6. Like yeah it’s nice to see him care about others but you forget to show us WHY he cares. Viv has gone on to say before that his character involves him putting walls up and blocking people out in fear of him getting hurt, so like….what happened to that lol, cause that isn’t showcased in the show.

Husk has the same issue. This guy is supposed to be a grumpy drunk, in the pilot we know he only took the bartending job for the booze. He’s a messy guy who doesn’t like anyone, and it should have been awhile till he actually started to care about people. Instead he’s like..almost instantly friendly after episode 4. This is the same writing issues Helluva Boss had btw. Viv is so incredibly desperate for you to like her flawed/bad characters that rather than taking the time to actually show them slowly improving, she instantly paints them out to be sweet and expects you to go along with it.

#vivziepop critical #spindlehorse critical #anti vivziepop #Hazbin hotel #Hazbin critical #Hazbin hotel criticism #Angel dust #hazbin hotel critical

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hazshit-hotel-hater · 2 days

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Sir Pentious Redesign! (2/7)

It took way longer than expected to get this guy out but I think it was worth it!

Going to start off with the biggest gripe that Vivzie never makes characters look like their respective eras or set times. For Sir Pentious finding out hes OLDER than alastor made my jaw drop to the goddamn floor. While I was inspired by fashion from 1888, I mostly wanted him to have a steampunk-ish vibe and give him some things from times different than when he died. I guess I’m a bit guilty of making him look like he’s from a different era but he still doesn’t look modern I guess?

I took a big chunk of inspiration from the King Cobra for his colours and scales but I think leaving the type of snake he is a little ambiguous is more flexible.

Things like the green in his eyes and vest and gloves are once again my usage of the sin colour wheel I go crazy about. Sir Pentious is a very envious person in the show to an extent and definitely is in my rewrite. I also kind of wanted him to look like an opposite to Angel Dust with all his pink because inverted colours yknow. Seeing as they eventually become friends and all that in my rewrite I’d like for them to look nice together!

The brown is also a lot easier on my eyes than the black and red and yellow was so I’m pretty happy with that too. I was very attached to his goggles though so he gets those and the little extra magnifying bits for designing

I think I’ll eventually end up adding more to this post later on but for now this is what I’ve got so far! I love this funny british snake and I plan to get the next redesign out much sooner… hopefully. 🧹

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fortunelowtier · 1 month

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I swear to god, every time I see a Viv stan reply to a post criticizing HHs artstyle (its overuse of reds/disregard for character design rules, etc etc) with "of course its red, its hell" I want to SCREAM because I don't think I've ever heard them use any other excuse, theyre like a broken record who can only say that one thing

Ultrakill is set in hell, and it has some of the most incredible and varied layer designs I've ever seen

Doom Eternal is set in hell for most of its runtime, sure there's red, but there's also areas like the Blood Swamps that mix things up from the norm

for fucks sake the NETHER has more variety in color, a fucking block game from 2010 has more variety in color than Hazbin

#vivziepop critical #hazbin critical #hazbin hotel critical

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roseyquartz15 · 3 months

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I Love my silly snake man

#hazbin hotel #hazbin alastor #hazbin angel dust #hazbin art #hazbin charlie #hazbin lucifer #hazbin adam #hazbin au #hazbin baxter #hazbin critical #hazbin cherri bomb #hazbin lilith

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dyssonant-skyline · 2 months

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Alastor has never felt like an intimidating presence to me. I tried to implement a quick fix, though I'm not sure if those teeth would be animation friendly, and well, anything that appears frequently will lose it's impact over time.

The thought is, if all other sharp teethed characters have the standard shark style points, giving Alastor more realistic teeth would make him stand out. Giving him more real teeth size/layout also turns his smile proportions more eerie as the space around his teeth is just a void, his lips stretching over empty space.

It also turns the smile into a threat more directly if the audience interprets his teeth as the teeth of a carnivore. If you see the teeth of a predator animal, that's showing their intent to use them. Plays into the cannibal backstory and all.

I also just like having more negative space in his face. His yellow teeth can be really intense sometimes.

#Looking at this again it does kinda feel like I just slapped the smile dog/scp 087 smile on him lmao #Fuck it I still think it looks alright #hazbin hotel criticism #hazbin hotel critique #hazbin hotel redesign #hazbin critical #hazbin hotel critical

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theoddest1 · 2 months

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Hey, isn't it so..."Great" that Viv is out here liking posts that clearly find moments where Angel is being sexual with his rapist "Hot" How much more telling can this all get, right? We really sit here, having to explain how fucked up it is to take SA, try to tackle it "seriously" but then proceed to not even do it for that reason. Only for it to be for angst and goon material. How do you expect me to SIT HERE and take whatever Viv has to offer seriously? The number of people I have seen trying to justify this gross behavior is abysmal. If you have this kink or whatever, fine not like I can stop you, be into that shit somewhere else, but DO NOT try and TACKLE IT only for it to be not even seen as serious or as a way for you to get off to your sick fantasies.

Why the hell would you like this? "Angel with his abusive rapist boss😝, so hot guys! Can'tstop thinking about it!"

What good reason would Viv have in liking this post? Why do over 4k people find a post like this neat? "Oh they're fictional, it's gucci, stop bitching" wouldn't need to bitch if people didn't outright sexualize moments meant to tackle an irl fucking problem.

By the way, this person ships Angel and Valentino together. Their pinned tweet is legit sexual Val and Angel art. I wouldn't recommend attacking them regardless if you disagree with their ships and what they deem...ugh "hot."

Fair warning to I WILL be showing some of their arts and reblogs as evidence, so if you are not into that sort of thing (anything NSFW), I highly recommend scrolling past my post or past this section of it.

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I'm pretty sure Viv actively searches for this sort of thing on Twitter, like it's PAINFULLY obvious that she does. How you just so happen to like a post clear af lusting for this abusive relationship YOU CLAIMED to take seriously that ALSO happens to be from an account that ships the abuser with the victim? Gtfo with your two-faced shit, just say your find this hot instead of lying your absolute ass off. The audacity for some fans to go after one group of people for liking questionable stuff only to let other questionable things slide. Like homie, you can let rape slide, but draw the line for any other questionable thing? How's about you have that energy for EVERYTHING with your hypocritical asses. Ion wanna hear y'all stank ass make callouts if you're okay with a rapist being shipped with someone he actively harms in various ways.

And Viv

You say this entire sequence is meant to be uncomfortable, meant to not sugar-coat how awful this situation is, and supposedly have people who are victims/survivors themselves, yet here you are liking posts from people who do anything but take it seriously and even sexualize it. That's absolutely insane to me. And reminds me how you were drooling over some pins that glamorize the abuse Angel and supposedly Husk goes through, you know, the same character that COMPARED his abuse with Angel's.

Ah yes, let's downplay how horrible Angel's situation is further, shall we? Let's especially do it after adamantly arguing with other SA survivors who "haven't seen the episode yet" and need to shut up or don't watch 😃. Let's ignore the fact that Husk and Angel's situations STILL aren't comparable but it's still very odd to have pins on TWO situations taken seriously in the show. So do you actually view the situations seriously or not Viv???

God she's....actually fucking stupid and horrid.

#vivziepop critical #vivziepop criticism #anti spindlehorse #anti vivziepop #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin hotel criticism #hazbin critical #hazbin fandom critical #hazbin hotel #hazbin valentino #hazbin angel dust

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duke-daemon · 3 months

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hazbin hotel redesigns wooooooooo

okay so. i'm gonna discuss my thoughts about them n shit, putting under a readmore bc it's gonna get long and rambley. sorry in advance for the shit formatting, i'm on mobile </3

just some general shit about how i would rewrite it. i think the premise of redeeming sinners is entertaining but is executed horribly. i also am a fan of the "heaven isn't great either" idea but again, executed horribly. i'd make the hierarchy of angels more accurate because it's cool as hell and i have autism about it. the characters from hell would swear still (albeit not as much), but the angels would outright refuse to swear or make vulgar jokes ever. this would be partially to further the gap between heaven and hell and make the differences more stark.

hell would also be more like dante's inferno (again because i think its cool). the ars goetia would get a full redesign and would be more prevalent in demonic society.

now for the characters!

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VAGGIE VALTIEL:

starting off with vaggie, or Valtiel as i've renamed her because let's be honest her original name sucks. Valtiel (Val for short) was an aspiring power angel who wanted to be an exorcist. she looked up to lute and thought the idea of killing demons was really cool and badass. however when she actually was on the field for the first time she discovered how awful this actually was. she tried to help a few demons but lute figured it out and felled her right then and there. the rest of her story is relatively the same. personality wise she's more stoic and less prone to all-out aggression. she still get angry, sure, but it's in a quieter and more menacing way. you DO NOT want to fuck with Valtiel.

CHARLIE:

next up is charlie! i had two ideas for her. the first one (unsettling drawing) has her as a mannequin/doll type demon. lucifer and/or lilith was unable to conceive and as such they built a kid from scratch. she's overall similar to og charlie personality wise, very kind and cheerful despite her unsettling appearance. she struggles with empathy sometimes but really does mean well. her motive for rehabilitating sinners is so they get to see their family again. being able to see heaven from where they are in hell must make them sad, so she wants to help make them happy again!

the second idea for charlie has her as an angel. specifically i casted her as a dominion angel due to their reputation as holy judges. she was once a demon but has been rehabilitated and has risen into angelhood! she now wants to help her former kin do the same and redeem themselves in heaven's gaze. again, similar cheery personality, but a bit more prudish in this rendition

tangent time!

as a side tangent, valtiel and charlie would have a different relationship in this rewrite. their relationship felt shoehorned in in the original show, like it was just there for the hell of it. we didn't see much development between them and it just felt kinda bland. so in my rewrite, charlie and valtiel are amiable exes. they tried dating when valtiel first fell (when charlie was still a demon in the charlie-angel version) but realized their feelings for each other were much more platonic than romantic. they ended things off on good terms, deciding they were much better as friends. they are still besties to this day! later charlie ends up with emily (or 'ellie' as i plan to rename her)

back to the characters

Alastor:

note: i made alastor mixed-race, which could be seen as bad by some due to vivzie saying he's black. however, as many have pointed out, he has no ethnic features whatsoever and i honestly wouldn't be surprised if she said that just to get away with using voodoo symbols (a closed religion) in his imagery/design. like viv, i am incredibly white and have little to no knowledge of voodoo, and even if i did i would not use it for something like this anyways due to the stigma the religion already has and (again) it being a closed practice. as such i removed it from his concept altogether, but made him mixed race (white passing) because.. why not i guess, i forgor my actual reasoning

with that being said...

alastor is by far my favorite of the redesigns and i'm honestly tempted to turn him into a legally distinct oc. i imagine he's somewhat reserved, along the lines of norman bates albeit a bit more extroverted. during his life he was a serial killer with a day job as a radio announcer. he took pleasure in reporting about his own murders on the radio, but that is eventually what got him caught (ie accidentally letting slip info that wasn't released to the public). as a result he was sentenced to death. upon arriving in hell, he quickly rose through the ranks to borderline overlord status and is a feared presence by demons and sinners alike. why is he bothering to assist in the hotel project? who knows... his motives are a mystery, like the rest of what he does

(he isn't actually alastair crowley i just thought the naming convention was ironic. however he may have also dabbled with satanic magic in lifetime..)

Angel Dust:

TW: brief discussion of SA

this is definitely my second favorite redesign. i loooove insect themes and wanted to do more than just Extra Arms, so he now has fucked up legs and a lot of eyes too! story-wise, angel used to be a criminal mastermind, hated by both the mafia and the feds. he was a gentleman thief, arranging massive heists under the cover of night while also partaking in the occasional drag show. he ended up a cocaine addict later in life, which caused his work to become sloppier. eventually he was killed in a heist gone wrong, specifically shot by the police.

i'm not gonna go too in-depth on the SA part of his story, but he is hypersexual due to being assaulted in both his life and afterlife. it would be something he'd be working on in the rewrite. his reason for coming to the hotel in the first place may have even been for help with this trauma. underneath his sultry exterior is a broken guy who really just needs someone to care about him for who he really is and not for what his body can do.

LUTE:

so lute and adam are some of the characters i have the most gripes about. the biggest one being why viv chose adam as the leader of the exorcists in the first place. if she wants a biblical figure tied to demon killing, Archangel Michael is RIGHT THERE, aka the one destined to kill satan during the events of Revelations. if she wants the first human to die, that would be Abel, not Adam. and i kinda doubt abel would want to do the stuff that HH!adam has been doing. if she wants an angel related to torture, Dumah is her guy! an angel that rules over wicked souls and tortures sinners every day except sabbath. so many better options...

with that out of the way, Lute is still the lieutenant of the exorcist, who are a specially chosen group of powers sent to purge hell once a year. think navy seals. she's pretty much the same as in the show, albeit more muscular and visually different from other exorcists (seriously why do they all look exactly the same?????) she's a very repressed lesbian who hasn't had time to work on that due to her duties

i also redesigned the exorcist uniform/armor because those LED purge masks are fugly as hell and their clothes don't even look remotely like armor.

Adam + Final Thoughts

i did start a redesign of adam but got bored of it. regardless, i think he'd be the head of C.H.E.R.U.B. instead of the exorcists. he doesn't want his children to make the same mistakes he and eve did, so together they started C.H.E.R.U.B. to help lost souls stay out of hell

final thoughts uhhhh i'm tired. show sucks, it had so much potential but viv ruined it by being a shitty writer and an even shittier person. the designs are fine i guess but they all look exactly the same and are in desperate need of variety. the humor is dogshit, saying dick and balls and penis over and over and over again doesn't make it any funnier than the first three times you made that joke. anyways that's it, i hope you liked my inane ramblings. gonna go vanish for another forty years or so, adios

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