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wrestlingwithhistory · 3 years

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Why do I like Pro Wrestling?

Even though I’ve put a few posts up on the page already I wanted to introduce myself a little and break down why I’m doing this and give a bit of history about me and why I like pro wrestling.

My name is Kyle, I’m 33 from South Wales, I am married with 2 children. I first started watching wrestling when I was about 7 which I will go into as we go through the post. I started this blog for 2 reasons.

1. I love stories about pro-wrestling and wrestling itself.

2. I am starting a creative writing course and want to keep on top of writing so that I am comfortable with writing as I haven’t done it since I was in school.

Now, there are a million stories from Pro Wrestling that you’ve heard from the Benoit Murders to The Montreal Screwjob to The Plane Ride from Hell, but I have an interest in writing about the stories that people are maybe not as aware of that still involve some of the biggest names in Wrestling history.

Nowadays, we can be thankful as wrestling fans that we have a multitude of ways that we could watch wrestling thanks to the rise of streaming sites, Youtube and online stores which you can buy DVD’s or digital copies of your favourite events. Being a child of the 90’s, you would stumble across wrestling almost out of nowhere. I remember being in my grandparents’ house maybe aged 5 or 6. I never had satellite or cable TV growing up, only terrestrial, and coming in one morning and seeing Hulk Hogan on the TV in my grandparents’ house really caught my attention. I couldn’t tell you what show it was or who else was on it, but I remember as I watched Hogan, waving his arms to the crowd and cupping his ears to the Hulkamaniacs as he did throughout his career, that I held a curiosity toward wrestling and did ever since.

I can then remember a few years later one of my best friends growing up had a video at home which on the cover, a man would be fighting himself! Undertaker vs Undertaker. Back then, it was the most amazing thing possible, the mystery of how a wrestler could square off against himself in the ring was unimaginable for a then 7–8-year-old. Of course, that event being Summerslam 94 would not be the great event you look back on, but you appreciate the spectacle of it. I do look back fondly on that VHS and as I watch the event back, the standout match-up is clearly the Owen Hart vs Bret Hart Steel cage match, but it’s not the type of thing you value as a child.

You value spectacle. You value entertainment. At least I did anyway. You treat it the same way you treat a cartoon or movie, you suspend your disbelief for a few moments and take in the pageantry of it all. Some people class Wrestling as 3rd hand entertainment, and I have had many occasions where people have made jokes of the fact I watch wrestling, to the point where I would not even mention it if asked.

But as I’ve gotten older, I’ve started to not care and be happy with the fact I like it so much. It’s not a guilty pleasure, It’s just a pleasure. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve also embraced less of the spectacle side of it I once did and look at the athletic feats that take place in the ring, focusing on the technique that these men have to make it look as dangerous as possible, all the while keeping their opponent safe. I do still appreciate the entertainment value, but I definitely look at things like the work rate of the competitors and what they are capable of.

During my teens, we used to travel to video store not too far away from us in a town called Bargoed. Global Video was one of the first places to stock ECW VHS cassettes. My friends Daniel, Josh and I would go there, pick out a few VHS and go back to Josh’s room to watch them. One of the first ones I can remember watching was Living Dangerously 1999. For its time, the pacing and the layout of the matches were a perfect fit for that show. I remember thoroughly enjoying Tajiri vs Super Crazy, Sid and Spike Dudley vs The Dudley Boyz and also New Jack vs Mustafa which was enough violence for a teenage to endure at that point.

The one match from that event which today I place in my top 10 matches ever is Rob Van Dam vs Jerry Lynn for the TV Title. Watching the opening exchange between the two men figure each other out, reversals of pins, hammerlocks and wristlocks was fantastic and when they separated and looked at each other, it was rapturous. The crowd ate it up. You could tell something special was taking place. As the match continued, I saw things that I never would have seen on WWF during that time realistically speaking. There was a reason the E stood for Extreme in ECW. They always took things to the next level, and while the TV Title was far from being the most brutal match on the card (in part due to New Jack!) it was creative in the way it structured the use of weapons, tablet spots and fighting outside the ring. When the bell rings at the end for a timer limit draw, as a first-time viewer you feel almost cheated, not by the quality of the match but by the fact it could have gone on for another 30 mins. When Jerry Lynn requests 5 more minutes and is granted it, you think you are in for a Jerry Lynn victory but RVD pulls it out of the bag at the end hitting the 5-star Frog Splash. And great ending to a great match.

Throughout this time the Attitude era was in full affect. WWF had a huge roster of stars that any company would have been proud to have, Stone-Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, Triple H, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle. It was a pleasure to watch some of these events. My friend Michael would record Raw and later Smackdown and let us borrow the tapes so we could get our fix. In January 2000, Channel 4 had gotten a deal to show a few WWF Pay-per-views for free starting with the Royal Rumble. I stayed at Daniel’s house and we watched it live on a small TV. We were extra excited that Taz showed up on the event to face Kurt Angle with an extra ‘Z’ in his name, especially after find ECW a few months previous. Add to that the shock factor of Mae Young’s striptease, the Rumble result, the street fight between Cactus Jack and Triple H, the tables match between the Dudleys and Hardys, it was a phenomenal show.

With the events now being on Channel 4, I would look eagerly on internet forums during school hours trying to find out which ones were next. I remember staying up and watching Backlash 2000 and Fully Loaded of that year, also recording them to go back and watch and study the matches. I would cover the back of the VHS case with white stickers and write the match card on the back in order, so I knew where to find my favourites. They also stared showing Sunday Night Heat as well, which I later years would also have an RVD vs Jerry Lynn match up but not at the same quality as the ECW Event the years previous. These events on Channel 4 ended with the Invasion PPV in 2001 after WWE bought WCW and ECW acquiring many, but not all of their top stars.

Tying this in with Video games like WWF Attitude, Smackdown, WCW/NWO Revenge, WCW Mayhem it helped nurture my love for it even more especially WWE Smackdown 2: Know Your Role because you can create your own shows, wrestlers and storylines. We would have nights playing the game having Royal Rumbles and tournaments, finding how to create wrestlers from online forums like CAWs.ws.

My friend Daniel got the internet at home and we would spend hours searching Kazaa for wrestling videos we couldn’t find on VHS, in-between searching for Create-a-Wrestler guides for Smackdown games. They would usually be the Music Video highlight reels of matches we would want to see. Being early 2000’s it was usually set to Creed, Godsmack or Limp Bizkit but it would be things like Sabu vs RVD in a stretcher match, seeing Goldberg jackhammer The Giant/Big Show, and whatever we could find of these old matches you would read about in Power Slam magazine like the Exploding Barb Wire matches involving Mick Foley, Terry Funk and Onita.

A few years later, with the introduction of freeview satellite there was now more channels in homes than before and one of those was The Wrestling Channel. I turned it to this station thinking it would be WWE but was amazed to see companies more similar to ECW. US Promotions Ring of Honor, Combat Zone Wrestling, TNA/NWA and a few smaller based promotions were present as well as a mix of local British talent. It was on this channel that I first saw a match that involved light tubes, obviously CZW. Although not my favourite style, death matches certainly have a car crash factor to them. You know something gruesome is going to happen, but you can’t look away. But on the opposite of that, with ROH you got to see unbelievable work rate wrestling with the likes of CM Punk, Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson and Low Ki and with TNA similar talents but with more professional looking, AJ Styles, Teddy Hart and Jeff Jarrett being stars that shone there.

Getting to see high flying stars like Amazing Red, Jack Evans, Teddy Hart, AJ Styles was enthralling. It was a side of pro wrestling you never saw on the more methodical WWE and I would watch whenever possible but still getting my WWE fix via VHS recordings Michael would lend us, especially as some of our favourites from ECW and WCW were now competing there.

From around 2006, I began to wane off watching Wrestling as often. I was playing in a band and focusing on that was well as starting a relationship with my now wife. My band mates Lloyd and Ryan were into Wrestling, so I used to and still do talk to them about it now and then. We used to go to local wrestling shows in Merthyr Tydfil for Celtic Wrestling. Back then, they were just Joe Nobodies wrestling in a bar, but as I look back over many of the people on that show, they have foundations on Wrestling all over the world.

A list of some of the names I got to see in Merthyr Tydfil; Sheamus – Now WWE, Steve Corino – ECW Legend, Zack Sabre Jr – Current New Japan star, Tracy Smothers – Wrestling Journeyman passed away in 2020. I remember seeing Tracy Smothers and I was a fan from ECW when he was with FBI and he was great and a nice guy after the show too. The fact that someone who was wrestled for WWE, ECW and WCW was in Merthyr wrestling, to me was mind-blowing!

A few months later I found out they were doing Wrestling training at The Studio Bar in Merthyr in around 2008 (could be way off), so I went along. I didn’t tell anyone, I got dressed in football gear and told my girlfriend Sara I was off to play football. Instead, I went into this bar and rolled around on some mats for beginner lessons on a Wednesday learning basic holds and how to bump. I really enjoyed it and it was better than bumping on the grass like I used to do as a kid in my local park. I went twice in all, as much as I wanted to go back and keep going, I was thinking that playing music would be easier to justify to someone than saying you were a wrestler so that was that.

I always kept an eye on wrestling but not as intently as I did before, maybe it was my way of disconnecting from wanting to do it as much as I did. I would watch the odd Raw or Smackdown and just buy the Big 4 Pay-per-Views and this went on for close on 8 years, just dipping in and out casually but still knowing who was in the business and doing things else were. We still had TNA in the UK so getting to see that was great, especially with the talent they had there for a while.

It wasn’t until 2016 I started to get back into wrestling as much as I do now. AJ Styles had finally joined WWE after seeming he would never appear there and that interested me because AJ is probably one of my favourites of all time. Twitter was blowing up because of a match between Will Ospreay and Ricochet in the Best of Super Juniors during that year. Seeing mostly positive comments and the odd one or two negative comments from old school wrestlers. So, I clicked on a then Youtube video of the match and it was such a great match. I felt the buzz straight away and immediately started to get the itch back for watching wrestling again.

I had no experience of much Japanese wrestling, but I always enjoyed reading in magazines about people like Jyushin Thuder Liger and The Great Muta and seeing their matches on WCW years ago, as well as people like Taka Michinoku and Tajiri but the Ospreay-Ricochet match convinced me to sign up to NJPW World. That summer I followed the G1 closely. Bullet Club madness was in full effect, seeing the iconic t-shirts and the way they were in the ring were similar to NWO, almost too much to a fault. I didn’t really know any of the performers in the tournament but after watching matches, would go back through the New Japan archives and watch the matches of Okada, Tanahashi, Naito, Shibata and the others, getting to know their styles and gimmicks.

One that immediately jumped out to me was Kenny Omega. He was one of 4 non-Japanese wrestlers (Gaijin) in the whole tournament. I learned that he had turned on AJ Styles and took over as leader of Bullet Club. I went back and watched AJ’s final matches against Nakamura at Wrestle Kingdom 10, and then the tag match the following night between AJ and Kenny vs Nakamura and Yoshi-Hashi. I followed Kenny closely over the G1 and into the finals against Hirooki Goto which was an absolutely brilliant match. Omega ended up winning, going onto Wrestle Kingdom 11 to face Okada for the IWGP Heavyweight Championship. I checked my work diary to see if I had work that day, and I was off! Due to the time differences, I was able to catch some of the pre-show in the morning, drop my oldest daughter off to school and come back in time for the Naito-Tanahashi and Omega-Okada matches.

I got back and watched the Naito-Tanahashi match, a really fantastic match to which I remember saying to myself ‘the main event is going to need to be special to top that’. Cue watching my personal favourite match of all time. The pacing and the psychology of the match were so well done, Omega targeting Okada’s back ready for the One-Winged Angel but never getting to hit it through the match. The springboard moonsault to the outside over the guard rails, the Tope Con Hilo over the top which still holds one of the iconic images of the match as a whole, Okada’s resilience as a champion, back dropping Omega over the top rope to the outside through a table. It was and is incredible, debatably one of the greatest matches of all time. Not just in my opinion but for many others as well. And so, I was back in. From that point onwards, I was an ardent fan once again. I would use the archives of WWE Network, NJPW World, Youtube, Highspots Wrestling Network to feed my addiction, following twitter pages which is just GIF after GIF of just the craziest moves.

I would try and watch as many of the live shows in Japan as possible to watch Omega perform and throughout 2017, even though it probably could have been savoured a bit more, we got to see 2 more amazing Omega-Okada matches at both Dominion and G1 and also a lead to Omega-Jericho for WK12. Both my current favourite and my all-time favourite meeting for the first time for a great match. From a Kenny standard it was not as good as some of his previous but for Jericho it was probably one of his best even compared against some of his classics against the likes of Shawn Michaels and Chris Benoit.

In the Summer of 2018, I watched the Dominion show where again Kenny Omega went up against Kazuchika Okada for the IWGP Heavyweight championship. It was a 2 out of 3 falls match with no time limit. I couldn’t get the time off work for the event so I managed to smuggle my phone into work and would watch intently while selling mobile phones. It was another amazing match up, but I had to watch it over again after finishing work so that I could experience with sound, but even on silent, you could feel how brilliant the match was and Kenny finally defeated Okada for the title. Even though Kenny won it, I much preferred him fighting from beneath, almost as if achieving the pinnacle of wrestling was never going to happen. Even though he had a good handful of matches as champion, the ensuing AEW venture obviously scrapped any possibility of a long-term reign. Also disappointing to see New Japan miss a trick by letting Ibushi win the G1 and then the title from Kenny at WK13, instead vying for Tanahashi who, for as great a performer as he is, was not in his prime and the story between Ibushi-Omega would have been concluded or at least cliffhung until a later date. That aside, the show killed. It was amazing, but you could see the writing was on the wall in terms of Omega, the Young Bucks, Adam Page leaving to start AEW in 2019.

That kind of takes it up to current day, or at least as close to it as possible. It was possibly a long-winded diatribe of saying ‘Yeah, I like Wrestling’ but I hope it helps people to understand what drives me to write about it, why I enjoy watching this often joked about form of entertainment and why I think people could probably appreciate it more.

My messages are open if anyone wants to ask me any questions about wrestling or share stories about your own experiences, favourite matches or even stories that you would like me to cover, and I will try and find something to contribute to the page if possible.

Please read through the posts, like and share if you enjoy and leave comments if you wish to appreciate, critique or contribute towards the stories if you know anything I may have missed out.

Thanks!

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sincerelyreidburke · 4 years

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got hitched

Quick ficlet for my Bencole people. Featuring domestic Quindo. Cross-posted to the ao3 cricket ficlet collection.

eight years after graduation | august

Sebastián is completely unsuspecting, when the Snapchat comes in.

The house is quiet, and he and Quinn are in bed. He figures they’ll actually go to sleep soon, or at least soonish, but for now, they sit up against their pillows, with the light still on. It’s long past Violet’s bedtime; Quinn put her down at least an hour and a half ago, and after sitting out on the patio with him for a bit, Sebastián carried his husband to bed for little to no reason other than he just felt like carrying him.

He’s watching a Coyotes preseason weekly recap on his phone, and next to him, Quinn is knitting. His yarn is royal blue and bright red; he’s working on a scarf he keeps swearing he’s going to mail up to Remy to wear to games when his season starts. To celebrate his contract , Quinn said, when he told Sebastián what he’d be doing, all self-satisfied smiles. I think he could use something new in Montreal colors, don’t you?

His needles clack together every now and then, and the audio on Sebastián’s phone is low, but it’s not like Quinn would be bothered by that anyway, seeing as he took his hearing aids out for the night hours ago. Their house, Sebastián is happily aware, is a safe zone for Quinn, has been since the day they bought it to build their life in together.

A notification buzzes his phone, and the banner at the top tells him he has a Snapchat from Ben. Which isn’t weird, until it is— because what time is it in France right now? It has to be, like, kind of early in the morning, right? In what world is Ben up early on vacation?

He opens Snapchat to investigate. The Snap has been sent into a group chat, but not a new one; it’s one containing himself, Ben, and Quinn, and has to have existed since college even though it hasn’t been used in a short while.

He opens the Snap. It loads. As it loads, he wonders if this is a leftover message from Cole’s show last night. That was, after all, the whole reason Ben crossed the Atlantic Ocean for vacation in the first place. It’s Cole’s first tour outside the US, and Ben and Remy created this whole scheme for Ben to surprise him, which Remy was on board with because he will use literally any excuse to travel to Europe, especially France, and Sebastián has heard about this over several elaborate text exchanges, phone calls, Snapchats, et cetera—

The Snap loads.

Sebastián looks at it.

Wait. Wait . WHAT?

It expires before he can fully process, but he knows what he saw. He scrambles to replay it, leaning forward and off the pillow.

It’s a picture, a selfie, of Ben in bed with Cole wrapped up in his arm. They’re both, like, clothed and everything, and they look all soft and in love, but that’s not the main point of interest.

Because Ben is holding both of their hands up to the camera, and although Cole has had his black engagement ring for upwards of two years, Ben… is also wearing a ring. And Cole is holding a piece of paper. A certificate.

The caption Ben has typed reads: got hitched

Cole is holding a marriage certificate .

Sebastián screenshots the picture before it can disappear again, and then immediately starts tapping-slash-whacking Quinn in the thigh to get his attention. He’s gentle about it, but he still feels bad when Quinn startles and shoots daggers up at him. He drops his needles and signs. What’s wrong?

In lieu of signing a response, he turns the phone to Quinn, because it’s easier than attempting to convey via sign his current stream of consciousness (Ben got married is he kidding how did he just get married in the middle of Paris on a whim oh my God he is going to bust his ass so much but also he’s pissed because he wanted to go to his actual wedding and Ben Shaley Is Actually Fucking Married he can’t believe it like yeah he knew this was coming because he’s been engaged for two years but like— Rho got married !!!!!!!?!??!????!!?!).

Quinn studies the photo, then his eyes widen with realization. In a moment, he shifts from his complete bedtime serenity to animated, excited confusion. He looks up to Sebastián, then back to the phone, then up to him again, and signs, in quick and snappy motions, They eloped? , and then, immediately, Call Ben.

Sebastián nods, as Quinn lunges to the bedside table and grabs his hearing aids. He opens the phone app, and picks Ben out of his favorites, and as it rings, he just sits there vibrating. He can’t believe it. He actually can’t believe it. Ben just went and got married. Like— okay, that’s admittedly the most Ben way he could possibly think to get married, but— is this real life?

Ben picks up on the second ring, as Sebastián is putting the call on speaker. “Helloooooo!” His voice is singsong, like he knows exactly what he did. Which, like, obviously he knows what he did. But Sebastián is still shook —

“ Dude !” he cries, half-laughing, as Quinn leans back over to him and scoots closer on the mattress. “How could you just send that out of context?”

Ben laughs. “In my defense,” he remarks, his voice the picture of chill, “it really doesn’t require that much context, right?”

Quinn fiddles with his ears, and then he must get them turned on, because he chooses that exact moment to cry, “Benjamin Shaley.”

“Mini!” The joy in Ben's voice is indescribable. “I knew you’d bitch me out for this!”

“I cannot believe you,” Quinn says. “You did not elope last night.”

“Oh, but I did,” Ben remarks, every bit the wise-ass he’s always been, and he sounds so happy , and Sebastián is, like, so fucking happy for him right now—

“Rho— congratulations , holy shit,” he tells him. “Did you plan this?”

“No,” Ben laughs. “Not even a little. And I think that’s maybe the best part. Hold on.” There’s rustling and mumbling on his end for a second, and then a fourth voice enters the conversation.

“Good morning, guys.” Cole’s voice is super raspy, like he just woke up. Sebastián tries to do some quick math, but all he can determine about time zones is that it has to be early over there. “Sorry we didn’t tell you.”

“Cole, I can’t believe this,” Quinn says. “How could you let his chaos influence you?”

“Mm.” Cole pauses, contemplatively, and then yawns. “I’ll actually be letting his chaos influence me for the rest of my life, now.”

Quinn takes a deep, therapeutic breath. Sebastián wraps an arm around his shoulders. He has, many times, seen his husband get simultaneously pissed and excited; it’s a hilarious thing to witness. “I love you both,” Quinn says, in a slightly less sharp voice. “And I’m so very happy for you. But words cannot describe how much I wanted to actually attend your wedding.”

“We’re gonna have a party, Q,” Ben replies, like he was ready for this question. “When we get home. Well. Like. Not right when we get home. But we’re gonna start planning it when we get home.”

Quinn pauses, like he’s contemplating this, and in the silence, Cole adds, “It was a spur-of-the-moment decision.”

“Well, I’ll say,” Quinn says. Sebastián thumbs at his shoulder, to soothe the good-natured rage. “My goodness , you two. I should have known you’d get married some crazy way.”

“Tell us the story!” Sebastián adds, because he is extremely eager to know.

Cole lets out a soft laugh. “It’s not a long story,” he says.

“We were at dinner,” Ben explains. “Last night, after the show, with Remy. And Cole just… out of nowhere. He was like, we should get married.”

“ Cole Kolinsky ,” Quinn gasps. “Your mother is going to kill you.”

“She knows!” Cole cries. “She knows. I promise. She’s the only person who knew before you. Her and Remy.”

“Was Rem with you?” Sebastián asks.

“He was with us when we decided to do it,” Ben says. “But not at the town hall.”

“That little shit,” Sebastián cries. “Where is he now?”

“Out galavanting in the streets, I bet,” Ben mutters, and Cole laughs at him.

“I’m sure Remy is asleep,” Cole amends. “We were out so late last night.”

Quinn rubs his temple, leans into Sebastián’s embrace, and whispers, “I cannot believe you two.”

“Oh, you love us, Quinny,” Ben says. “Don’t even try to hide it.”

“Of course I do,” Quinn replies, in that tone so characteristic of him , where he’s firm and kind at the exact same time. “My goodness,” he says. “You’re entirely too much for me.”

Cole laughs again. “I promise, Quinn,” he says, “it’ll be a really good party.”

“Oh, it best be.” The grin on Quinn’s face is so cute, Sebastián could combust. “I have very high standards.”

“Ah, yes,” Ben says, in a posh accent, “nothing but the best for the esteemed Quinny Cooper—”

“ Ben ,” Cole mumbles, and Ben laughs so loud.

“I’m so—” The initial shock has sort of worn off, but Sebastián still feels like he’s processing several things at once. “I’m so happy for you guys, jeez ! Why are you awake so early, anyway? It’s your honeymoon morning!”

“I have to—” Cole breaks his sentence with a yawn, like talking about being up early is making him more tired. “I have to be on my tour bus at eight-thirty.”

“Oh, Cole ,” Quinn whispers. “That’s a real wrench in your morning, huh?”

“Is what it is,” Cole replies.

“Wait, so… what time is it now?” As soon as he mentioned the fact that it’s their honeymoon morning, it started occurring to Sebastián that he and Quinn are… keeping them on the phone. On their first morning as a married couple. He loves his friends to death, but nobody interrupted him and Quinn the morning after they got married. It was just the two of them; even Vi was at Mama’s house for a sleepover. The only thing they had to do was bask in that fresh joy.

“It’s seven,” Ben announces. “Seven-oh-nine.”

“Okay, so,” he says, “I’m gonna, like, hang up the phone now.”

“ Nanny ,” Ben says, with a snort. “We knew you’d want to talk.”

“Yeah, but we talked,” he replies, “and now I’m hanging up so you guys don’t have to, like, talk to us until Cole leaves.”

“Hm.” Ben pauses, and then, in his peak wise-ass tone, remarks, “What if I hang up first?”

“Oh, goodness , you two,” Quinn mumbles, into Sebastián’s shoulder, “don’t get into one of these arguments.”

“Bro, you hang up first.”

“No, you hang up first—”

5,000 miles away, in a hotel bed in Paris, Ben Kolinsky hangs up the phone. He rolls over in bed and grins at his husband. “How did I do?”

Next to him under the nice white sheets, Cole is the best thing he has ever seen. He laughs, with his hand over his face, before he reaches for him. When they meet in the middle of the mattress, Cole presses a kiss to his lips. “You are an idiot,” he whispers.

“Mmm.” Ben kisses him again, and Cole wraps around him, and he thinks there’s absolutely no way heaven could be any better than this. “That’s a title I’ll proudly own, but only with an amendment.”

Cole tangles his fingers in Ben’s hair, long and now sort of messy from sleep, but who gives one single fuck what their hair looks like when they just got married to the love of their life last night. “What’s the amendment?” he asks, between kisses.

“That I’m your idiot.”

“ Oh .” Cole laughs. His eyes wrinkle shut, and Ben is going to be gone on him for the rest of his days. “You’re definitely my idiot.”

“Perfect,” Ben says, and kisses him again, and he doesn’t need anything else.

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revisionaryhistory · 3 years

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Three Days ~ 70

~*~Emma~*~

Sebastian was right. I did like hearing him moan too much. Such a deep, breathy, needy sound. I’m not sure he realized he was making the same sounds as I played guitar. Not as frequent, but still. Seemed only right I should finish what I started. Plus, he’d had a rough day.

I’d gone back to the proposal thing partly to let him off the hook, but more because I didn’t want that to happen. On our second anniversary, I was terrified Jimmy was going to ask me to marry him. My girlfriends had convinced me it was coming. Two years is the time, they said. Thank fuck they were wrong. I didn’t have a problem talking about it and Sebastian had seemed to handle it fine, but I knew the possibility of freaking out was there. Still was. A blow job and a lazy fuck would get his mind in a different place.

After our romp in the guest room, Sebastian pulled me into my bedroom and pushed me on the bed. His smile was lethal as he came for me, kissing from side to side up my body, before laying his very naked body on mine and taking over my mouth. A very long and thorough kiss later he kissed my nose, “Let’s start over at the beginning.”

Over at the beginning meant an extended period of making out, foreplay, him going down on me until I came (twice), and then some very un-lazy intercourse. All followed by collapsing in a sweaty heap. Good times.

Sebastian scooted closer and pushed me to my side where he could wrap around me. A couple of well-placed kisses on the back of my neck had me smiling and making satisfied sounds. I held onto the arms around me and turned my head enough to see him. “I love you.”

“I know you do.” He kissed me as softly as we were speaking. “I love you.”

I smiled, “I know you do.”

“What do you want to do Monday? We should do something.”

I knew exactly what he was talking about. I put my hand on his face and squirmed to turn where we were facing. “We should go on a date. A first date.” A first date to commemorate a month since our first date.

He smiled, “A movie.”

“Something scary so I can hide my face against your chest.” We both laughed, “Gelato after, that place we passed a couple of weeks ago.”

“Pizza before.”

“Sounds perfect.” We kissed and stayed close, breathing and being quiet.

Sebastian took a deep breath and fought a yawn, “Sorry.”

“Please.” We rearranged again and I laid my head on his shoulder, his fingers trailing along my side. “If you want to go for a run or anything before I get up there’s an extra set of keys in the entry table.” This was completely prepping for if our talk resulted in an overnight panic attack. “Wake me up if you want.”

His fingers never stopped moving, “What’s your alarm code?”

“Same as my car code.” I tilted my face up to see him. His blue eyes were drowning me. The soft look, the slight smile. I reached to play in his beard. His smile grew and mine matched it, “Whatever you need, Bastian.”

He shook his head slightly, “Just you.”

I woke up before Sebastian. I propped my head on my hand to watch him sleep. He was on his back with one arm stretched to the side and one on his stomach. The sheet covered midway up his chest. He'd gotten a little sun at his mom's yesterday on his chest and shoulders. I was excited about our beach vacation. Lay on the beach, lay by the pool, play in the pool, play in the ocean, maybe dinner on a yacht at sunset.His face showed no sign of tension and worry. I think what I’m seeing is peaceful relaxation. His cheeks were relaxed, his lips barely parted, and his eyes were twitching behind his eyelids. He was in REM sleep. Dreaming. Lying like this he looked beautiful. I wanted to run my fingers over the indentation of muscles. I wanted to put my lips to his eyelashes to feel their twitch against my lips. Run my fingertips over his shaven cheek, stroke through his beard, run a finger over his pink lips. And when he started to wake I wanted to kiss him. I wanted his first memory of the day, even before he opened his eyes, to be me kissing him.

I didn’t touch. Just watched. The eye movements increased and his face started twitching. Definitely dreaming. A few minutes later I felt like the dream wasn't a pleasant one. I carefully laid my palm on the smooth part of his cheek, barely touching skin, letting my fingertips touch the twitches. As they settled, I applied more pressure, his beard against my palm, using my thumb to caress bare skin on the line of his beard, the contrast felt good against my thumb. Whatever the dream, my touch had calmed it. Sebastian's eyes fluttered enough for me to see the blue. I moved where he could see my eyes too.

His lids lifted for a second and he licked his lips. I crept closer and pressed my awake lips to his sleeping ones. "Good morning, my love."

"Morning." Sebastian closed his eyes again and smiled. "Do that again."

I moved over him, pausing long enough for the arm on his stomach to move around me, before pressing my naked chest to his naked chest. I kissed to the right of his lips, "Good," kiss to the left, "morning," and a solid kiss to his lips, "my love."

I felt the slightest touch of his tongue, "Love waking up with you."

His fingers trailing down my spine made me shiver, "It is nice." My accent came out strong.

Sebastian laughed, "My southern belle." He put his hand on my face. "I love when it sneaks out."

"Just ask and I can conjure up a lovely accent for a weekend or so. If that would make you happy." I laid it on thick.

Sebastian squirmed happily, "Very dangerous."

"Why?" Holding on to the accent.

He shrugged, "I love southern accents. All that time shooting in Atlanta and Savannah was pleasantly painful."

"Did you get in trouble?"

"I tried. Wasn't greatly successful."

“I imagine my southern sisters were uncertain what to do with you. You're very pretty. They'd play with you, but how’s your game?"

He chuckled, "Hit or miss."

"We'll have to go south and see if you can pick me up."

"I like either of those ideas." He kissed me long, "We need to make a list."

"We can do it on the train."

I kissed him again, "Do you want breakfast before we get the train?" We didn't have a solid plan.

Sebastian shook his head, "Not super hungry right now. Just get some coffee and yogurt. You hungry?"

"Not really. Angie and I are going shopping then grabbing lunch." Sebastian had said he needed to work and I hadn't had a day with my best friend in a long time. "I'm guessing doors are at seven. It's at Bowery Ballroom, did I say that?"

"Nope. I was just going to follow you. We can walk."

I raised my eyebrows and shook my head slowly, "Not with the heels I'm wearing tonight."

Sebastian pursed his lips, "That sounds fun."

We showered and I left my hair in a towel until we were ready to go. I was stressing myself with what to pack until I remembered today was shopping. My plan was the black dress I didn't wear to dinner last time, but that could change today. Now, I was really excited.

Thankfully early morning Saturday on the metro north train wasn't busy. My guitar wasn't rush hour friendly. We tucked ourselves at the end with our backs to the rest of the car. Sebastian had easily put our stuff in the overhead bin and I found his lack of struggle sexy as hell. When he sat down, I wrapped around his bicep, "You are so hot."

He cocked his head, looking at me with a smirk, "What did I do? Mostly so I can do it again."

I kissed him chastely, "You put our bags up like they weighed nothing. The way your shirt crept up to show off your stomach. Mmmm."

"Keep being so easily impressed."

"You got it, baby." Thinking of luggage had a question pop up. "Does your building have parking?"

"Yes. My apartment has a spot. Can't remember where." He looked over, "We could have driven."

"Windows open, music turned up, singing loud."

"I'll have to find where it is. Mini road trip would be fun."

"Lots of crazy conversations on a road trip."

"And you peeing on the side of the road."

I glared at him, "You can't forget that for me?"

He shrugged, "Sounds like too much fun. We should take off and drive somewhere. Maine in the fall. Montreal, Toronto. Go to LA and drive up to Seattle."

I pulled out my phone, "We need to make that list" I went into my notes program, opened a new notebook titled “Sebastian”, and started a to do list.

Sebastian looked over my shoulder, "First was blindfolding and tying me to the bed. You want a massage with a happy ending. There were plans to wake each other up with various kinds of sex. A weekend with a very southern accent. Me trying to pick you up. Now a road trip. Beach vacation. We should call Will and Alissa, get together a plan while you’re home with me."

“Sounds good."

Sebastian took my hand to his mouth “Will you tell me what happened Tuesday?"

I had to think back to Tuesday. It seemed a very long time ago. A lot had happened since them. All good.

I smiled and took a deep breath, "Sure.” Most of what mom and I had talked about Sebastian already knew. I just filled in mom's side of the confrontation. "Her "but Amy" when I said she'd hurt me..." I trailed off and waved a hand in front of us. I didn’t know what to say.

Sebastian caught my hand, "That had to have hurt." His face showed a mix of sad and angry.

"Yes." I nodded, "More angry when she said it didn't take anything from me to watch what I say in front of Amy. She missed the whole point, and for real, it does take away from me to pretend I'm not happy. Over time what hell would that do to my self-esteem? If you act like your unimportant you start believing it. My father thinking I'd ever come back and live like that."

He snorted, "Bad idea."

"Very. I told her it wouldn't affect me because I wouldn't let it. Mom thought she'd won and we moved on. As soon as I was off the plane, I called Trevor." I smiled, "He was proud of me. I needed the validation that I wasn't overreacting or being a brat. He reminded me this wasn't really new for them and asked what had changed with me." I leaned closes to kiss him. "Wasn't a hard question. It's you."

"Me?" His smirk said he was enjoying my answer.

"Pretending I'm not happy and in love is my line. I'm not willing to hold that in." I kissed him again. "It's not right they ask me to. They should be happy that I have someone who makes me happy."

Sebastian's expression changed again. This time his eyes brightened and his features softened, "You make me happy too." The back of his fingers caressed my cheek. "Very happy."

If I wasn't already in love with him the way he was looking at me now would do it.

"What do you mean she thought she'd won?"

"The way she smiled she thought I was agreeing with what they wanted me to do. I’d muzzle myself forever because they were afraid for Amy. I’m afraid for Amy too, and I’m not a bitch, but I matter too."

“Refusing to sacrifice yourself for someone who’s not in trouble doesn’t make you a bitch.” He shrugged and I could tell he was weighing his words. “Your mom asking you to does kinda make her one. Sorry.”

I shook my head, “Nothing to be sorry about.”

He smiled, "What does it mean that you won’t let it affect you?"

He's a smart man. I shrugged, "I'm not completely sure. Right now I go back to Alpharetta a couple of times a year. I used to spend two weeks near the end of summer, but I dreaded it, so I started going first to get it over with. Now it’s less than a week. Maybe spring break. As soon as school lets out for winter break I head down and leave for Hawaii Christmas day. I don't think I’m doing that anymore."

He turned his head to the side and looked worried, "What are you going to do?"

“I’ve never not woken up in my parent’s house Christmas morning. Jimmy’s family celebrated Christmas eve so that was never a conflict. I want to spend my holiday with people who want to be with me. Really be with me and let me be happy. I’ll probably go to Hawaii early. I haven’t given it a lot of thought outside of the stink it’s going to create.” I laughed a little.

“I imagine it will.” He laughed then went serious, “You are welcome wherever I am.”

“Thank you.”

“Not a problem.”

“Are you going to Hawaii with me?”

His smile was back, “Just book my flight with yours.”

“What do you do for Christmas?”

“Depends. I’m not a big Christmas person. Sometimes with mom, sometimes with friends. It’s a little early for making plans.”

“A little.” We’d known each other a month and it wasn’t even July. There’d been no reason to talk about this.

Sebastian let go of my hand, put his arm around me, and kissed my head. “I sense you are a big Christmas person.”

“I love Christmas. I love decorations, presents, baking cookies, snow. Not until after Thanksgiving though. I get very excited.” Putting up the tree and setting out my obscene number of snowmen was fun.

“I think we’ll do whatever you want this Christmas. It matters more to you. And if you decide to go to your parent’s house, I’ll follow you there too. Make sure they see exactly how happy you are.”

“You’re the sweetest.” I held my thumb and forefinger an inch apart, “And a little bit petty.”

“More than a little.”

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Leverage Season 1, Episode 10, The Juror #6 Job, Audio Commentary Transcript

Chris: I’m Chris Downey, Executive Producer.

John: I'm John Rodgers, Executive Producer.

Rebecca: I’m Becky Kirsch, Writer.

Jonathan: Jonathan Frakes, Director.

John: And welcome to The Juror Number 6 Job of Leverage which was filmed late in the season, is meant to be broadcast late in the season, and is really one of our favorite episodes for the entire series. It’s interesting--

Jonathan: Watch the homage to Rear Window!

Rebecca: [Laughs]

John: Is it a Rear Window homage?

Johnathan: Watch this!

John: I’ve noticed--you know what? We’ve done two--this is our second commentary and I’ve noticed how often you use the word ‘homage.’

John and Chris: [laugh]

Jonathan: I was--I started by saying watch the ste- watch the rip off.

John: [laughs]

Jonathan: Here’s the steam. Right?

John: Yeah. Nice.

Rebecca: “Homage’ sounds [much] better.

Jonathan: And then there’s the steaming tea--heat. He goes down.

Rebecca: Oh oh oh oh!

Jonathan: Something bad’s happened to him from taking the drug we just saw him take.

John: Yep.

Jonathan: Scream.

John: Scream. Horror. Remember the--

Jonathan: And Hitchcock cuts to what? [imitating the sound of a tea kettle steaming] Shhhhhhhhhhhh!

Chris: There it is.

John: There you go.

Rebecca: Oh beautiful.

Jonathan: Total rip off.

John: Beautiful.

Chris: Beautiful special effects there.

[Rebecca laughs]

John: It’s lovely. And then the hot in. Which we don’t often see the team coming back from something.

Jonathan: No. I was under strict orders and I used it well, I think.

John: For what?

Jonathan: “Keep them moving.” John Rogers.

John: Keep them moving. Keep them up. Keep them moving--

Jonathan: I said it - then I called the office and said, you know, any of the problem with them talking and walking during all these scenes. As much as you can keep them out of the chairs, be my guest.

John: Absolutely. You know the Walk and Talk, as it’s known in television, is your friend. It really, you know, you need to keep them moving around in this set. Cause the problem is when actors sit, they emotionally sit.

Jonathan: Boy, so true-

Chris: Well also-

Jonathan: [Unintelligible]

Chris: We spent a lot of time in this conference room. And I think, by this time in the season, we were literally, creatively, getting antsy.

John: Yes!

Chris: And that’s why we gave that ‘Keep moving! Just move the camera around--’

Jonathan: Plus the actors like it ,too.

Chris and John: Yeah..

Jonathan: And it gives you a chance at a oner which is always a plus - it helps to make your day, the energy is better.

John: Yeah, it’s always better. Alright, uh, Kirsch!

Rebecca: Sir!

John: Filthy assistant--

Rebecca: [Chuckles]

John: --How did this episode come about?

Jonathan: [Also laughing]

John: That’s her nickname!

Rebecca: You ready for this one? It is! And I, And I ta- I wear it with pride. This episode came about in the room with our seven fabulous writers and we-- I think that, Chris, was this your original idea--?

Chris: Yes, it was.

Rebecca: --In order to have a jury? In which--

John: This was one of the ones that started with an ending and rolled backwards.

Chris: This is, yeah-

Rebecca: I think you are right! It did!

Chris: We didn’t do this very often but I--yeah, I had an ending for this and we worked backwards.

John: And so how did you develop--how did you do the research?

Jonathan: There’s your name, did you see your name on the screen?

Rebecca: I did, I did, it was very exciting.

John: There we go, written by Rebecca Kirsch!

Rebecca: Actually, Chris was a really great help, because I unfortunately don’t know a great deal about the legal system. So I purchased a book called Law 101 and I did some homework over the weekend, which was a really basic way to start things. And then Chris was really good to answer a lot of my questions about the technicalities of the order--

Jonathan: Brent Spiner!

Rebecca: [Laughing]

John: Yeah, Brent Spiner, ladies and gentlemen.

Jonathan: Star Trek.

John: This is the beginning of the Star Trek reunion.

Rebecca: Exactly.

John: And might we add, by the way, that the reason he knows about this. Chris actually used to defend the bad guys on Leverage.

Chris: Yes, yes. In my previous career I was a white-collar criminal defense attorney. So this is kind of bringing it all home for me.

Jonathan: Is that true?

Chris and John: Yes, yes.

Chris: It’s actually true.

John: That’s why I hate him.

Rebecca: Did you not know that?

John: That’s why my deep and abiding hatred of him-

Jonathan: Does he still have the suits?

John: [Laughing]

Rebecca: [Laughing]

Chris: Oh I got the suits.

John: Oh jeez, he got the brown shoes, he got the-

Jonathan: Are you kidding me?

Rebecca: [Laughing]

Chris: I’ve got suspenders, my friend, I’ll wear ‘em, I’m gonna wear it on the set this year.

Jonathan: That is really good information,

Jonathan: Kitty Swink, Deep Space Nine.

Chris: Kitty Swink.

John: Uh, and so, I remember we wound up actually sitting around the table and breaking down the phases of the trial so we could arc the episode -

Rebecca: I think we did, yep.

John: through the phases of the trial actually, and that’s why Aldis at one point says “All I’ve got is my cross-examination,” because at that point in the story we had locked into that.

Rebecca: Absolutely. Who goes first, and what happens first, as well as which role Parker is playing specifically.

Jonathan: The beautiful and talented Lauren Holly. Dumb and Dumber.

Chris: And also Lauren Holly, if you folks remember, acted with Timothy Hutton in Beautiful Girls. And uh-

John: Yes, that’s right.

Jonathan: Yeah, six degrees of separation. She looks great.

Rebecca: And NCIS of course.

John: And our only female bad guy, this season, I believe.

Jonathan: Picket Fences. She’s a great shark. She was great. And this poor guy!

Rebecca: Jeremy. Little Jeremy.

Jonathan: We finally put him in a show.

Rebecca: Jeremy auditioned--

Jonathan: He was in at least two shows that I worked on-

Rebecca: At least two.

Jonathan: --and finally got a role.

Rebecca: And he did a good job. [Laughing]

Chris: He was fantastic.

Jonathan: Beth can handle a close-up, can’t she?

John: [laughing] Yes. And this is one of the times again that we establish that the guys, at least, have formed this kind of proto-brother/father/brother relationship.

Jonathan: And more eating!

Rebecca: [Laughing]

John: More eating-

Chris: They do eat a lot, don’t they?

Jonathan: They do eat a lot.

John: Well, it’s one of the ways that you establish this is their home. I mean it helps bring the emotional resonance of what we do to it at the end of the season - kind of lands.

Rebecca: And how comfortable they are with each other by now,.

John: This by the way, is a nice piece of technical wizardry, because we originally had another type of footage behind Beth Riesgraf in the shot.

Jonathan: No, we were given the NFL footage, but we were not given the feed.

John: Yep.

Jonathan: And then someone wisely staged the actress in front so the actress could have an obstacle - it’s always good to have an obstacle. It’s like, if you can’t have an independant activity, give them an obstacle.

John: [Laughing] Yep.

Rebecca: [Laughing]

Jonathan: And now they have both.

John: So-

Jonathan: They can eat and try to get out of the way.

John: So, there you go, when you come into the scene and you’re like, ‘how will I force the guys to have to deal with her?’ So you put her between them and the object of their desire.

Jonathan: Exactly. And it becomes something else that helps the scene move along. Get the exposition, and the comedy.

Rebecca: And a little bit of football.

John: And snarky British comments from Gina.

Rebecca: Love it.

Jonathan: I love this line actually, about the rugby. I think it’s great. Who wrote that?

Rebecca: She did a good job.

Chris: I think it was…

John: I think that was me, yeah. I went to school in McGill in Montreal and I remember getting my ass handed to me my first rugby game

Jonathan and Rebecca: [Laughing]

John: I wanted to play rugby until I met somebody who wanted to play rugby more.

Jonathan: More, yes. That’s a good line.

John: And this is- this is great. This is one of the- Gina kinda settling into her role on this one, which is really, again, reinforcing the idea that Nate’s not a nice guy.

Chris: No.

John: He’s really very selfish, very perfectionist, very obsessive. Our lead of our show has to be reminded by the thieves he associates with to be a better man on a regular occasion.

Jonathan: Yeah. And setting up the father/son stuff here. This is where Aldis reveals a little more of his hand.

Chris: And it’s a nice dynamic we have where- I guess you kinda get a sense of what Nate’s character would be like as a father because he’s always putting Hardison in the most outrageous position he could be in. Most incredible challenge. You get the sense that he’s the guy that would throw his kid into the deep end of the water.

Rebecca: Cause it’ll teach him character.

Chris: Yeah.

Rebecca: Gotcha.

Jonathan: Do you think that’s conscious or subconscious?

Chris: Definitely subconscious, yeah, yes.

Jonathan: That’s what I think as well.

John: Absolutely. He can’t help but adopt him into that role. Yeah, and this is sort of the payoff to the fact that they’re now feeling obligated to each other. And here’s the thing, earlier in the season, Eliot wouldn’t have gone. You know, he would’ve refused to do this. And with even as much bitching and moaning, he’s still gonna do it because he understands that she’s in trouble. And she’s helped him out- she helped him out on the Two-Horse Job.

Jonathan: He’s gonna take his beer.

Chris: And more drinking.

John: And more drinking.

Rebecca: Absolutely.

John: Nate’s a drunk.

[Laughter]

Rebecca: This was actually the first shot we filmed of the episode, if I remember correctly.

Jonathan: You are so right.

Rebecca: Oh. It was a beautiful day.

Chris: And can we just say that Brent Spiner’s character was originally conceived as nefarious hippie?

Rebecca: Yes he was. Birkenstock wearing nefarious hippie. Granola.

Chris: Nefarious hippie. And uh-

Jonathan: It was supposed to be Jimmy Buffett meets Bill Gates.

[Laughter]

Chris: Yes, exactly.

John: An unholy matrimony if there ever was one.

Rebecca: Exactly.

John: Yeah, the light tables.

Chris: That’s a great- these are great shots here, establishing all the space

Jonathan: This was- we had the crane outside so we just snuck it inside and stole some stuff with it.

Rebecca: Looked good.

John: And the-

Jonathan: This was the well-produced Leverage episode that followed the orphanage, so we overlapped-

John: This is the orphanage!

Rebecca: It’s actually next to the orphanage.

John: It’s next to the orphanage. But this is the same- this orphanage- this evil warehouse. The Den of Evil, we called it.

Rebecca: Den of Evil.

Jonathan: Evil Den of Evil.

John: Evil Den of Evil is actually just over from the tragic orphanage in Belgrade.

Rebecca: Exactly, which we visited during out lunch break and were suitably depressed by the children in their filthy squalor.

John: Yeah, and then you went back and had fun high tech stuff with Frakes and everything like that.

Rebecca: Exactly.

John: And this is a beautiful little bit of set design and production design by Lauren Crasco to establish the Evil Den of Evil. I also love the fact- this kind of influenced the season finale. Seeing the stuff up on the bulletin boards here? It really- we wound up going low tech in the season finale, and there’s something about- video screens are nice, you know, but the clutter...

Jonathan: They look- exactly. Video screens keep- that’s always been the problem now that TV shows and movies use video screens. There’s no sound. There’s no tact- [sounding it out] tactility?

Chris: Yes. And it’s cold. Yeah.

John: It’s very cold.

Jonathan: This also has an homage to the set design from Runaway Jury.

John: Sure.

Chris: Yes.

Rebecca: That’s true.

[All laugh]

John: No, no. I think that’s outright theft, right there.

Jonathan: That’s what I meant.

Chris: Let’s get that out on the table.

John: Let’s slap that out.

Chris: That’s the elephant in the room, here, folks.

Jonathan: If we don’t say it someone else will!

[Laughter]

John: And we’ll talk about chess bit in a minute, but Kirsch, why did we set this in a courtroom?

Rebecca: Why specifically in a courtroom?

John: Yes. Do you remember?

Jonathan: Trick question.

Rebecca: I’m not actually sure.

John: Because we had a courtroom set. This actually-

Rebecca: We did! You’re right we had this from Boston Legal, I believe.

John: Yes, exactly.

Chris: [laughing] That’s right we did.

Rebecca: We had a big, wonderful set.

John: This is the splendor of your big Hollywood life

Jonathan: Is this how those decisions are made?

Rebecca: No, you’re absolutely right I forgot about that. We had the- I think it was a New Orleans courtroom from Boston Legal?

John: Yup.

Rebecca: I think we used the walls and…?

John: We redressed it.

Rebecca: We kinda scrapped it.

John: We wallpapered it really. No we ended up keeping most of it, she just wallpapered the walls.

Rebecca: That’s Lauren Crasco.

Chris: Jonathan, what’s your strategy here? Just keeping the camera moving?

Jonathan: Yeah. This is sort of the half version of the 360s that’s used a lot in Leverage. And if you shoot it enough times you end up with your coverage.

John: Yeah. But there’s a tiny amount of room between you and those screens, how did you…?

Jonathan: Oh man, Dave Connell. He gets his props yet again.

Rebecca: And Gary Camp.

Jonathan: And Gary Camp.

John: Here’s where we establish- this is really where we’ve fallen into the pattern in this show, where we’d figured out how much information the audience needs; how to establish the bad guys very clearly, very cleanly; and to make sure the audience knows at least what agenda A is moving forward in the show.

Jonathan: And we know what they look like, and what they’ve done.

John: Yes. There are definitely times earlier in the season where we are a little too clever by half, and really we were-

Jonathan: And this is the right time in the story to tell it. Right here at the end of act one is-

Rebecca: And this one is actually rather complicated as far as who your bad guy is. The fact that you have two, but one is worse than the other, who’s your man in. I think that it- I think visually it helps show the audience, okay this is who we’re going to first, but we’re really trying to go for Lauren Holly.

Jonathan: It also had an interesting in that she, Beth’s character, was reporting to jury duty in order to continue to fool other people with her alias that was- one of her aliases that was actually given jury duty.

Chris: Yes.

Jonathan: while she went to serve jury duty reluctantly, she found out that the jury that she happened to be on, was in fact corrupt, and that there was a bigger story there that Leverage could help out.

John: Very Rockford Files.

[All laugh]

John: Rockford Files- I love- Rockford Files, season 4 or 5-

Jonathan: Steal from the best, isn’t that what they always say?

Rebecca: The very best.

John: Honestly you cannot overstate the influence Rockford Files had on this show and Chris and I as writers. By season 4- there’s an episode in season 4-

Jonathan: [laughs] by season 4 they’ll be living in a trailer by the beach.

John: In season 4 of Rockford Files, there’s an episode where Rocky- his dad is literally getting mob money in the mail by accident.

[All laugh]

John: Like, WOW, man. And so we really felt like the crossover here is not bad. This is interesting because- if you look at Homecoming Job, which was shot sixth, and wound up being shown second. It’s part-

Jonathan: These are the bad guys! [Laughs]

John: That’s sort of the technique when we really started diagramming and illustrating better, but yeah. This is where we- one of the times we use the technique of we’re not going to tell you what we’re going to do and then do it. We’re going to tell you, show it, tell you, show it, tell you, show it.

Jonathan: I like that.

Rebecca: That’s great.

John: We intercut each sequence and establish-

Jonathan: This girl we loved. Remember?

Rebecca: Lisa Schurga and Norma...

John: Lisa, we celebrated her birthday on our set.

Rebecca: We did. I remember that.

Chris: Norma Michaels who I’ve used many times on King of Queens.

Rebecca: Norma Michaels - that’s what it was.

John: And this is also the first time we realized that really, splitting the screens into threes. Instead of using a bunch of stuff on the different six screens. Set each lengthwise set of screens up as your goal and you can move him left to right through objectives and you can formulate the story through temporally left to right. It helps track it.

Chris: There are these guys. I mean, c’mon, the two of them going through garbage? What’s better than that?

John: There’s nothing better than that.

Jonathan: This is one of the classic two-handers of these two.

John: They’re really great together. And at this point, it really is just roll the camera and get out of their way. At this point in the season.

Jonathan: Make sure you’re shooting in the right direction and let them go.

John: Yeah. It’s- [laughs] bang! It’s such a great bit. ‘Heads up!’

[Laughter]

Jonathan: And you know what? Never been done before.

John: Yeah, that actually is original! The- I do want to give a shout out to-

Jonathan: You know what else is great? The length of that scene.

John: [Laughs] Yes.

Chris: Yes.

John: It’s just precisely long enough to do a bit, yup. I wanna give a shout out to my dad, the speech he gave at the beginning of this scene - how- what chess is? Is word for word my dad teaching me to play chess. And really when we were trying to find a spine for this it was, well, it’s really a chess game, it’s really moves. Apollo had been talking a lot about how each con had very distinct stages. And that came up, that’s my dad-

Chris: It came in late into the episode, too.

Rebecca: It did and it really affected the pace in a great way, I think.

Jonathan: Arguably Gina’s best roleplaying con.

Rebecca: I think she did a great job.

John: Interestingly enough the one she was most worried about. Because she’s British and Indian culture is very big in England right now, and she was very, very worried about doing this wrong and was- she researches all her stuff, but she was-

Chris: I love this scene, too.

John: I love this scene, I love the text.

Chris: The darkness here, I mean the way you use light in it, I mean really gave it such a great- I mean what- Jonathan was that-

Jonathan: I mean it’s simple- it’s a very simple scene again and to Lauren’s credit, we moved everything into the middle of the room so we could actually shoot it.

John: Yup. And this is the hardest working business- office in show business. This is every bad guy’s office in the show.

Rebecca: Yes it is. Absolutely.

John: Move out the lamps, move in the lamps.

Rebecca: Change the decor.

John: And the zen garden- it’s interesting the zen garden - the tiny zen garden on his desk, is one of the LA bugaboos that drives us insane, and so wound up in the episode and allowed us to do the writing in the sand. And she does a great bit of sort of throwing it away.

Jonathan: Yeah.

John: And it’s interesting- it’s cool too. It’s interesting watching a lot of shows- a lot of old shows we cite as references, that are bound by America’s cultural understandings at the time. Where because of globalization and everything that’s in the news, we’re able to expand the scope of our cons. To where an Indian in Mumbai- everyone knows oh outsourcing to India that’s in the news, we get that.

Rebecca: Absolutely.

John: It gives you another tool in the toolbox. And also- there’s Dean right there on the left.

Rebecca: Dean Devlin.

John: But it also allows-

Jonathan: We tried to talk him into playing a part in this episode.

John: Yeah, he lied to me. He tricked me into doing mine in Homecoming and then refused to do his.

Rebecca: Maybe season two.

John: Yeah, maybe season two.

Jonathan: What is he, a producer?

John: Yeah.

Rebecca: He’s a very busy man.

John: He is very busy. Very busy getting people to drink the Kool Aid that you can make an independently produced TV show out of an old dog hospital.

[Laughter]

John: And stunningly occasionally pulling it off. Yeah, and this is my favorite scene in the episode.

Rebecca: It was so much fun.

Chris: It’s great, too.

John: It really is.

Jonathan: Now who’s idea was this? This is a wonderful three hander, it’s a very interesting-

Rebecca: I love the board.

John: This came out of the room, we always wanted Sophie teaching Parker. I think the-

Jonathan: Sophie teaching Parker behavioral things.

John: I think the orange bit-

Jonathan: But the add of Chris- of Christian is a great color to this. Because he can’t bear her.

John: Yeah it’s a trio you don’t usually see. He really just wants to punch her in the-

Chris: He plays irritation so well.

John: This is his attempt to be- [laughs] he is not a good dad. Eliot? Not a good dad in any way shape or form.

Chris: Not patient at all.

John: But this is- if you actually track the Parker acting ark through the series, this is the third beat. The first one is she can’t do it, the second is she can do it as long as she’s in a certain type of character, the third one is Sophie has finally taught her how to do it. She actually moves through a learning experience through the entire season.

Chris: One of the appeals of this episode was putting Parker through jury duty where being around regular people would scare her, and test her social abilities.

Jonathan: So does Parker have Asperger's syndrome?

John: It’s Asperger-y like. I mean really what we’re saying is, that the trauma of her childhood sort of froze a lot of her emotional development. As will happen. Froze a lot of her emotional development at that time. But it’s much more- she’s never lived anything approaching a normal life. And that- so she’s utterly unable to- hey I know high functioning geeks who work in the software industry who are worse off than her, as far as interacting with normal humans. So, I think as long as you’re in a specialized lifestyle, it sort of cripples your ability to act in sort of general groups. You know, hell, one of the reasons I did stand up was to find other crazy people like myself. Lovely bit here with the mustard squeeze. I remember we were trying to gimmick that like mad and were like ‘no, no just have her spray him.’

Jonathan: No just have her spray him.

Rebecca: Just have her squeeze it, yeah.

John: And this is one of those Apollo ones where we were gonna show all of the lifts, but by this point in the season, you know what she’s going.

Chris: Yeah, I mean if you’re going to do the choreography of the lift, you want to make a big show of it. And here it’s just-

John: We know what she does.

Rebecca: And she is so good at it. Beth is so good at this.

John: Yeah. She is very great. Victimizing old women. That’s our heroine. It’s a very mixed bag of moral high ground on our team here. But, actually, talking about what Chris was saying - putting Parker in this situation, one of the things, on every episode, that we try to do, and we don’t always manage to put it off but, the episode really has to have a moment- some anchor to one of the characters. That it’s not just a con that for whatever reason, either the parameters or the con, have some sort of challenge that either challenges one of the relationships on the team or a team member.

Chris: I love that shot too, I love the shot of them all raising their glasses and her framed in it.

Rebecca: They’ve accepted her.

Jonathan: Well it’s her- her character arc, for lack of a better term, is- or her character is developed by virtue of being put into the position where she has to behave in a certain way and has to deliver.

Rebecca: And she rises to the occasion.

John: And that’s the kind of-

Jonathan: That’s John Storey -

John: No it’s - that’s John Storey? Or David? Shaw?

Rebecca: No David Shatraw is in one of the-

Jonathan: No, that’s John Storey. He’s in the Dean Devlin Renaissance - rep company.

Rebecca and John: [Laughing]

John: And that’s also one of those horribly complicated bits of writing where it’s like,’OK, how do we get rid of the other lawyer? You know what? Just call him and offer him a bunch of money!’

Chris: Yep.

John: We don’t really have time for anything else.

Jonathan: Yeah, we gotta get him out of the picture.

Rebecca: We had a scene where Eliot intimidated him out of it. Remember that?

John: Yes.

Chris: Yeah.

John: It was actually taken from a different-

Jonathan: This is great, where she teases the character she’s about to go into.

John: You actually see her start to get into character a bit for a moment there which is not something we usually show. And this is- this is the hats.

Chris: Yeah here we are- this is our- on our soundstage.

John: Yup. and what’s ironic is ,of course you look at this old courtroom set that we have, cause you try to do a show that saves you a little money with an established set, and it’s like ‘oh god we have to really dress it up to sell it’-

Rebecca: Ah, there it is.

Jonathan: Great entrance.

John: -ironically- fantastic entrance. And nice coming up from the shoes, by the way.

Jonathan: Yeah, it was in the script.

[Laughter]

John: yeah, it was in the script. Jesus. Well, thanks for listening to us.

Chris: Most directors don’t! [Laughs]

John: Yeah, well I appreciate it. But, you know, it’s interesting that a bunch of us were on jury duty right after this got called.

Rebecca: That’s true, absolutely

John: We all went to LA municipal courts, and they were all far worse looking than this thing that we were worried about looking too cheesy.

Jonathan: Yeah.

John: They are basements. I also love the quick glad-hand here of just, you know ‘do you trust your government?’ Most people do, ‘all right then you buy me.’ What’s his alias in this one?

Rebecca: Oh- it was from… [Pelican Brief]

Chris: No it’s from Philadelphia-

John: No Philadelphia, Joseph Miller.

Rebecca: Yes, Philadelphia, thank you.

John: Joseph Miller, in continuing the tradition that Aldis- Hardison has an unconscious, or possibly conscious, habit of faking his ID’s to amuse himself, to give himself famous movie names. And there’s almost always, in most of the IDs, they’re linked somehow to famous people. Except that- I don’t think- they make text of it, but he tends to give Nate the names of actors that have played Doctor Who. Which amuses me to no end.

Rebecca: And the fans as well. I’ve seen a lot of people being very excited about that.

John: Yeah. Now this is interesting because I don’t know much about the law, I know a little about statute of limitations on art theft because I had to research it, but that’s it. I’m constantly amazed. And so going to Chris, and there’s so much stuff in this episode that seems insane, but you can actually do it in a court of law.

Chris: Well I- look-

Jonathan: Don’t you violate the sense of truth a little bit here?

Chris: A little bit. But, I have to say, I did speak to an old friend of mine - a colleague - who’s a litigator and who’s been doing it for 12 years, and I ran a lot of the stuff by him and he was- he was on board.

John: Yeah.

Rebecca: Absolutely, we had a great conversation with him.

John: So this is the one- this is one of the ones that’s great, actually, cause you called that buddy who’s in the US Attorney's office and you gave that five second pause and went, ‘holy shit that would work’.

[All laugh]

Jonathan: You could get away with it.

Rebecca: Yeah, exactly.

John: ‘Don’t- don’t tell anyone about this!’ It’s always gratifying when you hear from somebody- like when we faked the MRI. Who was like ‘Oh yeah, that’s actually a good tumor. Nicely done.’

Rebecca: ‘You could absolutely do that.’ Yeah. [Laughs]

John: And this is the little- this little friend beat with Peggy.

Jonathan: This is the vegan meat scene. This is a very nice scene.

Rebecca: This is the tofu scene.

John: Yes. And she’s wonderful- and this is why it’s so crucial to get those daily players that are great, because-

Rebecca: She did a wonderful job.

Jonathan: Oh, we loved her.

John: -you want them to be friends.

Jonathan: Yeah you love them as friends, you buy them as friends.

John: Yeah, Peggy’s coming back.

Rebecca: Oh god, I hope so.

John: Yeah her sidekick- yeah we’re absolutely- well not just for your character payment but also.

Rebecca: Oh do I get one of those? That’s fun.

John: We’re actually thinking about- when I did Jackie Chan adventures the animated show, we eventually wound up using a bunch of the side characters in their own episodes.

Chris: Yeah.

John: And I’m thinking at some point we get all the- like Hurley, Peggy, all the side characters and do like two next year where it’s just them forming a second Leverage team.

Rebecca: Lisa earned she did a great job.

John: She did a great job.

Chris: Now Johnathan, a lot of this episode is us watching people watch other people, how did you-

Jonathan: Yeah, that was part of the prepping, to make sure I understood who-

Chris: How did you keep that all straight?

Jonathan: Who watches the watchers?

Chris: Right.

Rebecca: Exactly.

Chris: I mean it’s all very clear…

Jonathan: Well it’s clear because it was- we discussed it during prep. You know, we all- you know, it was what we talked about a few minutes ago, the idea of a tone meeting. So that you’re sure, who’s on the screen in this scene, who knows what’s being said, who hears what’s being said, and who can’t.

Chris: Right, right.

Jonathan: Probably more importantly, who can’t see or who can’t hear and get this information.

Chris: And you also made good use of using the screens as transitions. So you would go from the actual scene, then you would cut to the screen, then pull back.

Jonathan: Yeah well it begs for it a little bit. And helps avoid establishing shots like that.

[All laugh]

John: What?

Chris: Oh good establishing shot is-

John: C’mon man there’s no crime in that, that’s television, it lets you know where you are. That’s actually- talking to Dean about directing, he says that’s the big mistake young directors make, they don’t let you know where you are. You know it’s an important thing, I would rather use a shot like that-

Jonathan: Some reason that Aaron Spelling had a few shows on in the 80’s and 90’s is he made them use establishing shots and start scenes that way.

John: Yeah, exactly and you knew where the hell you were. And that’s a great transition, punch into the screen.

Chris: Yeah, that’s a great transition.

Rebecca: That’s beautiful; very nice.

John: And it’s interesting, like Kirsch said- I call her Kirsch. I always call her Kirsch.

Rebecca: And if you ever stop I’ll know something’s wrong. I know I’m being fired.

John: You’re being fired at the end of the day, yeah.

Jonathan: These two have great rhythm together. These two-

John: They do.

Jonathan: Over the week we worked together developed a great rhythm. He of course knew everything Gina had done, so he had her entire credits, and…

John: No they’re- It’s interesting because she’s doing a bad guy here, which we don’t usually have. We’re doing that in the season premiere of the second season, actually it’s a little- it’s kind of a cool con we’re working on.

Chris: Yeah.

Rebecca: We wanted her to amp up the evil. We said show Sophie, you know, how ruthless she can be.

Jonathan: She looks beautiful with her hair pulled up.

Chris: Oh boy, she looked great.

John: But that was fun being able to use just enough of what Americans know about Indian outsourcing and everything and kind of, you know-

Jonathan: It’s so nice to see Brent without gold paint on his face.

John: I know.

[All laugh]

John: I don’t- you know what he was great in? He was great in the Dorothy Dandridge story. I really liked that

Jonathan: He’s a wonderful actor.

Chris: Oh, he’s terrific.

Jonathan: You know he’s playing Don Quixote now.

John: Oh yeah, there you are.

Rebecca: I did not know that.

Jonathan: The reprise he’s playing in Man of La Mancha.

John: What’s interesting here is there’s not- the temptation to do a lot of fancy camera crap when two people are talking is overwhelming, but you just parked it on them and- the scenes great, it’s chilling, it’s creepy. That comes from two good actors talking.

Jonathan: That only comes from years of directing, is to learn that you don’t have to do too much.

John: Yeah. Sometimes just let good actors talk.

Jonathan: And it’s great. And the same thing in the editing room. You don’t have to cut around yet, I’m still interested in what they’re saying.

John: Yeah. That’s a big problem you get- when you’re moving the camera, it’s always- the kinda general rule I always use is, it’s movement or performance. If somebody’s talking- if somebody’s working it just sit on it, it’s all right. The audience is [unintelligible].

Jonathan: And also our cameras are moving even when we appear to do close-ups.

John: We do these little slides and stuff, yeah. This was also- the incredibly boring slideshow, this is sort of off of your-

Chris: Yes. I think people accept that in a court case there would be an incredibly boring presentation of evidence, and you buy that.

Rebecca: Absolutely

Jonathan: Quincy! Worked on Quincy for years!

Chris: Sure! Absolutely.

John: Quincy, exactly. 168 slides, I love Kitty- I love Kitty in that shot by the way. She’s so great.

Rebecca: Yeah, she’s so good.

John: And even that was great, because we had brought in- we got Armin first, right?

Jonathan: No I called- I asked during casting I said wouldn’t Armin be great for this corrupt juror? And I said wait a minute, ‘Armin’s married to Kitty’. And we wound up- obviously we wanted up with a female judge to mix it up a little bit, let’s offer it to Kitty too. And it was like a family package.

John: That was great.

Jonathan: Then it became the Star Trek connection. This guy was funny as hell, too.

Rebecca: Excellent job.

Chris: Yeah, he was great.

John: And speaking real Hindi there, which is-

Jonathan: And Gina pretending she understood him, which is…

[All laugh]

John: Yeah she was really great. No, yeah this is one of the few times we bring a mark back to the office.

Chris: Yeah.

John: We dressed it up a little bit, but yeah.

Chris: By the end of the season we’re getting pretty-

Jonathan: This was a good setup too, I was always wondering if the audience would understand- oh no, this isn’t- yeah we we’re gonna reveal the green screen here.

Chris: Yeah, we were gonna reveal it right after this.

John: Yeah. But yeah it was interesting because I had just gone to the CAA where they had the big new teleconferencing wall, it really was- I will believe anything that’s on the other side of that camera, you know? And we do so much set replacement on this show that it would make sense that they have that technology.

Chris: Oh I love that- I love that zoom around.

Rebecca: He did such a great job.

Jonathan: Yeah, that’s that six frames business.

John: And finding that- this guy did a great job.

Jonathan: This guy was great!

Rebecca: He was wonderful, yeah

John: Doing the Scottish accent on the way out was really- it was really great.

Jonathan: That was shameless. Whose idea was that?

Rebecca: It was originally Irish. That was your idea, John, I think.

Jonathan: Just shameless.

John: Yeah. He’s very good, the walkaway. And what’s great is they’re also- Eliot’s running the computer there. It’s one of those little things where we’ve arced his ability to use the computer at Hardison’s- you know.

Chris: Yes.

John: We didn’t do a bit - which would’ve complicated it - which was where Hardison left a bunch of sticky notes on his computer which I loved. But at this point- it’s interesting because this episode started so clean and wound up being so complicated, you know?

Jonathan: We are moving, moving, moving.

Chris: It’s great- great movement. Picking them up on the run, and the camera finally stops right there.

Jonathan: I think- driven by the idea that we think a courtroom drama is gonna be staid, that we had to- all of us were very conscious of trying to make sure everything moved, literally and figuratively, and it paid off.

John: And this is one of the times that they’re too good at their jobs. Which we don’t use all that often.

Rebecca: Exactly

Chris: Oh yeah, I love this twist.

[All laugh]

John: And the smile, and just sign the goddamn papers.

Rebecca: Oh these two guys had so much fun.

Jonathan: ‘Sign on the line before anything changes!’

John: Really great.

Jonathan: This is the part we wanted Dean to play!

Rebecca: Yes it was, yeah.

John: Yes, exactly. But the idea, that if you use real world companies, that it will come back to bite you in the ass is infinitely amusing. And again something we’re going to use a bit more in season 2. You know the little details of the cons- you always wonder how much process does the audience want? And I think that that’s- a lot of it is what you sign up for. That’s why CSI was a big hit, people want to see people get fingerprinted and stuff.

Jonathan: I want to see the stuff, yeah.

John: And for us it’s how do we commit these crimes?

Jonathan: And I think the audience loves that.

Chris: More movement again, you panned across to the-

Jonathan: I lined them up in the order that they spoke. [Laughs] Always a good trick.

[All laugh]

Chris: Then you ended on-

Jonathan: Nate. He gets up.

Chris: Nate as he gets up and you follow him out.

Jonathan: Thank you.

[All laugh]

John: We should bring you back.

Rebecca: Honestly.

John: I was really not gonna bring you back but watching this episode again, I gotta say, yeah.

Chris: It’s a good scene.

Rebecca: We give some screen time to our infrequently used kitchen. Very well stocked with orange soda.

Jonathan: I’m a big fan of the kitchen.

Rebecca: We had a good time filming it.

Chris: Yeah we did.

John: We started using it a lot. It was- it really was- it’s not something that’s kind of in our writers heads, just cause we didn’t- it was a late addition to the set, but it’s a nice intimate-

Rebecca: There were some intimate moments, yeah.

Jonathan: It’s the office version of the water cooler. It’s where stuff can happen.

Chris: And here’s where we are challenging our two- Hardison and Parker, to really bring it home. We have our pep talks.

John: It’s a parallel scene, parallel structure, yeah. Parallel pep talks. And they’re two distinctly different relationships too, you know?

Chris: Yeah.

Jonathan: That’s a good point, the father/son relationship between Nate and Aldis is an entirely different one from the peer relationship that these two are trying to set up.

Chris: Yes.

Rebecca: Absolutely.

John: This is really- and this is something we held back for the season finale. Where the way she locks it in, in the original version of the script, is she confesses Sophie Deveraux is not her real name.

Rebecca: Yeah.

John: And then that’s sort of something we held back for the finale. Assuming you’ve watched all the episodes in a row and now are going back for the commentary, with a Guiness in hand, as you should.

[Laughter]

John: Yeah this is a- we don’t do this a lot.

Chris: No.

John: Sophie, Parker we don’t do a lot and they have a nice rhythm.

Rebecca: They have a really nice dynamic.

Jonathan: That’s the nice thing about these- this cast. There are so many formations or- what’s the word I’m looking for? Not combinations, but in that same- apples and oranges-

John: Permutations.

Jonathan: Permutations, yeah. Where Christian’s in a scene with the two girls - the chemistry’s different.

Chris: [Laughs] I love sending the kids to school. This is great.

Rebecca: The sack lunch.

John: The sack lunch. ‘You’re gonna knock it’; ‘No, no, you’re not gonna-’; ‘You - you’re gonna get hit by a car’.

[All laugh]

Rebecca: Good luck with that.

John: Big guy, you’re gonna get hit by a car. Sorry man, that’s your morning. Boom.

Jonathan: Okay end of scene.

Chris: Oh, beautiful transition.

John: Yeah, the door and then the door. It’s like you think these things through.

Jonathan: Dean’s electric car getting used, so we got a freebie.

Rebecca: One of the few remaining. Oh this was great.

John: Boom. And by the way, one of the great things about Christian Kane is he’ll do his own stunts.

Jonathan: Does his own stunts!

Rebecca: Everything.

John: The bad thing about Chris Kane is when you watch the dailies-

Jonathan: Does his own stunts!

John: And you go ‘oh my god!’

[All laugh]

John: Good fight in this one, by the way.

Rebecca: Yeah

John: Nice. Nice double take down.

Jonathan: Yeah, this is Charlie Brewer. He stages them quick and tight.

John: Which is really the only way to do it. You start doing big and slow-mo stuff and it just-

Rebecca: I just love when he throws him over his back. [Laughs]

John: Yeah.

Jonathan: Nobody sees me right? Nobody sees me with this guy on my shoulders?

Chris: In broad daylight?

John: In broad daylight.

Rebecca: Very early.

John: And we are done.

Jonathan: Okay, those guys are taken care of and I didn’t have to do my hair in the trailer this morning.

[All laugh]

Jonathan: I went for the stocking cap- went for the Jeff cap and I got to the set on time.

John: There you go. It’s actually interesting- the thing you said earlier is, when you develop TV shows, a lot of the times you’ll have a really good idea for the pilot, and you’ll write the pilot, then you’ll have a TV show and you’ll have no idea how to get to episode 100. I will say that it’s our own anal developmental process, Chris and I, is like alright, five characters any one of which can lead an episode, and how many combinations of each of these two or three characters work. If you don’t do that, you just spin your wheels, you’re just a plot machine. And, end of day, the audience really doesn’t give a crap about story. I mean they like a good story, but they’re here for this scene. You know, they’re here to see Aldis do To Kill a Mockingbird. They’re here to see Tim in the funny hats.

Chris: Yeah, yeah.

John: They’re really invested in the characters

Jonathan: Ed Begley Jr.!

John: He’s Ed Begley Jr. He’s doing Ed Begley Jr. here. Closing the internal combustion to digestive combustion.

Jonathan: This is when we couldn’t get the...

Rebecca: The smoke to work, yeah. We had many different methods-

Jonathan: Lunch was creeping up on us.

Rebecca: I was. It was a hot day outside.

Jonathan: I said, “We’ll sell it with sound.”

[Laughter]

Rebecca: I think it was an electric car, yeah.

Chris: Now what exactly is around his forehead? What is that?

Jonathan: It looks like the same piece of [word that sounds like druh-fellen] that she wore in the…

[All laugh]

John: That Parker had in The Wedding Job?

Chris: That’s a special effect folks. That’s a virtual-

Jonathan: I had more people- in the interviews I did the other day, they loved that visual effect.

Chris: Isn’t that great?

Jonathan: They think it’s real.

John: Well it’s one of the few times we cheat.

Jonathan: There’s Quark, from Deep Space Nine. And… who did he play in Beauty and the Beast? One of our wonderful underused character actors.

John: Yeah? Beauty and the Beast I’m trying to remember…

Johnathan: I think he was the third [unintelligible] and that’s his wife, Kitty

John: I also love- I love this moment. I love when, even accidentally - because he gives a shit about this case =- that he’s a better lawyer, you know?

Chris: Yeah.

John: And she’s again, April Webster casting. She’s a great day player; it’s a lovely moment.

Chris: We don’t spend a lot of time with her, our victim, so it was really kind of important at this point in the show to connect with her.

John: Yeah. And to show also, cause this is late in the season, that their relationships with the victims are changing.

Chris: And also we’ve seen Hardison have doubt, that ‘I can’t do this’, and here’s a moment where he kinda realized that he can do this, you know I’ve been doing it all along.

John: Or I have to do it.

Rebecca: And her faith gave him energy to move forward with something that was pretty difficult.

Johnathan: And it was a classic case of art imitating life, too, because this was a wonderful breakthrough for Aldis, who people feel does light comedy and they feel he does this physical stuff-

John: Honestly, after this episode, I’d put him in a courtroom show in a heartbeat. He sells the hell out of this. Particularly the closing speech, by the way, you wrote this. It was great. Chris wrote the closing argument that he’s always wanted to do, like, on his big case.

[Laughter]

John: Like this! This is the one! Does every lawyer really- every lawyer’s got To Kill a Mockingbird in his head, every lawyer…

Chris: Well, yeah, uh, yeah.

John: That was my dad. My dad became a lawyer in his 60’s and he busted his ass for like 5 years to he could get a jury trial, just so he could finally do this speech.

Johnathan: God, Armin’s good value.

John: Yeah. This is great.

Johnathan: The casting is so important when you cast these day players this way.

John: And he’s funny- he’s both funny and grounding.

Johnathan: AND, he’s making the choice to hold onto his story as long as he possibly can, and then try to defend it.

John: Yes. As one would. And that’s the other lawyer freaking out. It’s amazing. It’s very important that everyone stays present in this scene; a lot of times day players will just tend to wander off when they’re not on camera, and you never know when you’re grabbing coverage and that’ll make the moment.

Rebecca: And that was kind of difficult with 12 jurors. I mean, we had to make sure they were all focused as well as

Johnathan: When we were casting the jury, I remember we gave the jurors, each of them, a backstory.

John: Yes.

Rebecca: I remember that.

Johnathan: So that when we cast our extras we would…

Rebecca: I forgot about that

John: So each one of those characters actually lines up the characters that Sophie says when she- the tells that she read.

Rebecca: Absolutely

John: And Kitty, by the way, does a really nice job there being amused and impressed at the same time. That role could’ve easily been harpy-ish. And instead was this, kind of like she was fairly pleased by what he was pulling off. This was a rare hidden fourth act. When we do stuff, we usually let the audience know what we’re doing and why we’re doing it. This is one of the few times we give them a little piece and then walk away. And this is your big speech.

Chris: Oh yeah. Well I mean, I think with any closing argument, the greatest ones in the movies - I mean I look at The Verdict or even Presumed Innocent - they’re not about the case, they’re very general.

Johnathan: Yeah, they’re about heart to heart.

Chris: They’re about heart to heart, yeah. They’re all about communicating with the jury.

Johnathan: He was spectacular in this.

Chris: I love this bit.

Johnathan: And he had the support of the cast, he got the support of the writers, it was one of those great days.

John: Look at that, that’s great.

Rebecca: I love that moment between them.

Chris: I love that he ends on ‘some of you are friends’ and you had him end on her, and they had that little moment.

John: It’s nice, pulling that moment out. No, he’s- I love the entire cast, but hiring him at 21? This is a guy with a 40 year career in him.

Johnathan: You won’t regret this, will not regret this.

John: Absolutely. I mean it’s amazing watching this again, because you’re watching without the sound when you do the commentary. And it’s amazing how much of this feels like a fast moving, energetic episode, and so much of it-

Johnathan: We were so concerned that it was going to be too much in court, it’s not too much in-

Chris: We were, yeah.

John: But at the same time in the scenes that were there, we sit for a long time. There’s big speeches in this episode, there’s big talking scenes, and they work, you feel invested in them. It’s interesting how so much of this went from, okay we’ve got a courtroom set-

Johnathan: Wait, let me guess, is Nate drinking?

[Laughter]

John: He’s drinking.

Johnathan: Father/son moment.

John: And as a matter of fact, yes, again, a scene that is parallel to when I did my first stand up that my dad saw me do and he bought me a drink afterwards. It was a big- it was the first time I drank with my father, was that moment. And so really, we’ve turned a horrible brutal addiction into a beautiful sharing moment.

[Laughter]

John: Which is nice.

Chris: Here we go, it’s all on Parker.

Rebecca: Daunting task ahead of her.

John: All on her, yup. It’s interesting how it turns from the- from kind of a constellation show where we have a set standing, and maybe we can limp through this to I think this might be one of my favorite episodes in the season. If you get the right people, and you really commit to it.

Johnathan: Doesn’t it happen like that though?

Chris: Yeah.

Johnathan: Doesn’t it always happen like that?

Rebecca: There was such great emotion in it, there really was.

Chris: Oh look at this!

John: Oh that’s lovely.

Chris: There’s a proud use of that transition where we use that to bridge and show us where we are.

John: She’s starting to tumble to it, it’s starting to feel- and it’s great because really the chess thing did come later. It came like the week before we shot.

Rebecca: It really did and it’s-

Johnathan: Oh really?

Chris: It did it came- I think it came the week we shot. [Laughs]

Rebecca: I think you may be right about that. It was definitely later.

John: I wrote it-

Johnathan: Well everybody wanted to use it too. She wanted to use it in this scene, you’ll see at the end of the show that Nate wanted to use it, it became more than it was intended to be, and as a result I think it bookended it.

John: Well it gave it a spine.

Rebecca: It did.

John: Gave it a nice little spine for the parallel. It’s always hard, because one of the challenges on this show is keeping all five actors alive at all times. And you know you can’t always find five hats.

Johnathan: But this- but you guys have done a good job with that, if you put people in different places, and have them check in, and believe that we can hear them wherever they are. As opposed to- that’s why the scenes in the court- the conference room were so tough. You gotta get out of there, you gotta send them on their mission so you can spread them out.

John: You don’t want to hang out there. You don’t want to hang out there. Yeah and that was the problem to a certain degree in the beginning of the season as we were learning to write the show. Because you’re learning to write- every show you’re learning how to write the first season. You’ve been on a lot of series - you know, the first couple episodes, no matter how clear the vision, getting the working parts up spinning is difficult.

Johnathan: And it’s just as important what works and what doesn’t work.

John: Yeah, yeah. And our whole thing was, ‘Okay, we gotta keep all five of them active so let’s keep them together.’ And it turned out like, no, you gotta split them up.

Rebecca: Split them up, yeah.

John: Two, three, two over there. It really keeps it up.

Chris: Oh here- this is what we call the date with the devil scene.

John: Lauren Holly being delightfully evil here.

Rebecca: Absolutely. She had a lot of fun with it.

John: And really is the crux of the-

Johnathan: This is a good call, Lauren Holly.

John: Yes, she did a really great job on it, she’s a good actor and-

Johnathan: I think this was Dean… yeah. She was good, she was sharp, she was fun to be on set with, and she chewed it up.

John: ‘Oooh that’s a lot of money’ yeah.

Chris: And he plays it so great, too.

John: And what Lauren’s doing here- when you have her, too, which is a little sexy, dangerous, plainly you’re gonna get your hand snapped off you.

Johnathan: That’s her calling card now. That’s her strong suit. It used to be that sort of sweet-

John: Sweet, girl next door, yeah. No, the three- and this is another thing is- constantly on the show we’re constantly struggling with, is okay we’re dealing with obscure financial decisions for a big chunk of the show, how do we visualize it?

Rebecca: How do you do it? How do you make it simple?

Chris: And also how do you make the audience understand, here-

Johnathan: When you can’t have a bucket of money or a big bag. What do you guys like to-?

John: Sack of money! But when we were struggling- I’ll admit-

Chris: And this is our sack of money, the file folders.

John: In Homecoming it’s the envelope switch. The envelope switch- it’s really tricky, I mean you know, and I’ll say we’re breaking second season now, we found out that we’re picked up for a second season, and it’s constantly like what’s our new- what’s our thing? What’s our thing we’re chasing?

Rebecca: Hatbox full of euros.

John: We can’t do a hatbox full of euros every week. We’d love to.

Rebecca: We’d like to, sure, yeah.

John: Yeah, that would be great. But euros are devalued now so they’re not quite as important.

[Laughter]

John: Now, Johnathan I can ask you did you use- did you reference any specific movies or anything? This is a courtroom drama, there’s an awful lot of stuff out there - have you shot this type of thing before?

Johnathan: I have shot- I actually stole from Judgement at Nuremberg, which is- I did a courtroom show on Star Trek and I found that the coverage, the set of moving, pushing, singles, two shots, three shots, that they did in that is the most- that and getting it high and wide. Always.

John: Well that’s the-

Johnathan: Judgement at Nuremberg is a really wonderful courtroom drama and worth stealing from.

[All laugh]

John: Well this is actually where, where the show began is, Chris had the idea to - we’ll steal a verdict.

Chris: Let’s steal a verdict.

John: And what it’s based on, is the wire gimmick from The Sting.

Chris: Right.

John: And that’s the idea that when you announce this stuff, I mean famous trials, particularly when you live in LA, you’re all waiting around the web, and you’re waiting for the verdict to come out, on the web, of what happened.

Chris: Yeah, it was all about our team controlling the early delivery of information, which is the wire scam in The Sting, and how we could use that in the context of the trial.

Jonathan: Oh, so this is what tee’d up the whole show?

Chris: This is the raison d’etre of the show.

Jonathan: Not her being on a jury, but-

Chris: But then we thought how great would it be if she was on the jury.

John: And then the next question immediately was, who would be on the jury? Well Parker would be on the jury, I mean, that’s obvious.

[Laughter]

Johnathan: Right.

Rebecca: Who is least able to work with humans?

John: To con them. Yeah exactly. To work with them.

Chris: [Laughs] His reactions- his reactions are great.

John: He’s so angry. He’s so filled with rage. And this is the ‘zhoom-zhoom’, there’s, like, varieties- we call these the zhoom-zhoom’s by the way, cause you zhoom in and you zhoom out-

Rebecca: Peter Hanson, did a great audition for Jonathan. The Jonathan Frakes song.

John: This day player actually sang a song about you, that’s right. You have to.

Johnathan: For the future. For anybody who’s listening.

[All laugh]

John: Don’t try that, that’s not gonna work.

Johnathan: It doesn’t hurt.

John: What? You’re saying you’d actually take that?

Johnathan: I- I hired the guy!

John Alright.

Johnathan: I asked all of you. I said do I hire this guy who sang a song about me? And you all said yes.

Rebecca: He was passionate.

John: He was passionate.

Rebecca: He had fervor.

Chris: Here we go, here’s our two chess players. Going at it-

Johnathan: Who never meet until this moment.

John: Nope.

Rebecca: And this was Tim’s idea, right here.

John: Boom.

Johnathan: Boom, and… he’s got it.

John: And, by the way, there’s a very subtle thing there. By giving her the white king he’s basically announcing his presence as the black king. It’s kind of one of the little things- the chess metaphors that goes through the season.

Johnathan: Pulled back for the burger.

John: There you go.

Rebecca: Eliot’s got his beer.

Johnathan: It pays off the vegan jokes from earlier.

John: Yeah, it’s like we know what we’re doing.

[Laughter]

John: Also, I like the bad attempt at parenting Nate does here. Aldis is- Hardison’s learned the entirely wrong lesson from this particular thing.

Rebecca: Exactly.

John: Although, I’ve never sure if he learns the wrong lesson or he’s just yanking-

Johnathan: But Hardison comes into this scene thinking that I really can do anything I want to do.

John: But by-

Johnathan: And then Nate’s like, ‘that’s not what I meant!’

[Laughter]

John: He means by stealing and by grifting. He doesn’t-

Johnathan: Yeah, he doesn’t mean by becoming a doctor or a lawyer, nothing honorable. This is a very good scene, actually.

John: Yes. It basically says that no matter how- it’s interesting because this is meant to be - it’s this, to rehab, to the season finale. This is meant to set that, for whatever the journey they’ve gone on, they are now a family. A broken, weird family, but a family. So that’s why we can do really really horrible things to them in the season finale and you feel like you’re tearing apart, at this point, a family that you’ve become invested in.

Johnathan: It’s nice that they held on- for instance, Christians character, holding onto this thing about how he feels about Beth is just great.

Chris: Yeah, it’s great.

Rebecca: Really has value.

John: Yeah. It’s- they- you know this is the part in the credits where you get to say whatever the hell you want so, Kirsch?

Chris: Anything you wanna add?

Johnathan: Congratulations!

John: It’s your first episode. Say hi to your parents?

Rebecca: Thank you. Hi mom and dad, and Paul and Paul [Laughs]. And thank you guys for giving me this opportunity because this is the greatest thing that’s ever happened to me.

Chris: Thank you.

Johnathan: Oh c’mon, take that one back.

[All laugh]

Rebecca: Oh, come on! I had a great time.

John: Your boyfriend just proposed to you, that’s like horrible!

Rebecca: That’s true! And the episode’s coming out tonight, so it was good timing

John: Well there you go.

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We're gonna do a little miniseries about,peptides today is going to be basically,an introduction welcome to this channel,I am dr. Stephen Davis the lifting,dermatologist and this is my partner,Danny Bosa if you want to learn more,about the most cutting-edge science,based information in the world of,hormone optimization please like and,subscribe I also invite you to join my,other youtube channel the lifting,dermatologist the link you can find in,the description of this video,hello everyone welcome to the TRT and,hormone optimization youtube channel I'm,Danny bossa I'm joined today with a,pretty cool guest from my neck of the,woods near Montreal Jarvis what rumbly,how are you Francois I'm very good thank,you great Java's what comple is a,student at researcher at university,Quebec Memorial he studied exercise,physiology biochemistry and has a,master's in pharmacology it just so,happens that Java certainly is one of,the world leading researchers in,peptides he's been studying psalms and,peptides since the 1990s I've wanted to,do something along these lines for quite,some time but there was a good period,that I was not allowed now I'm allowed,which is kind of cool consider gets my,channel and I like to learn and you guys,like to learn so we're gonna do a little,mini series about peptides today is,going to be basically an introduction as,to what they are explained right from,the beginning as if we've never heard of,it we don't know what it is he's gonna,explain it a good general overview what,it is and then we'll do another two or,three videos broken down to different,types of topics involving that and at,one point we're going to try to organize,a live Q&A and the stuff on the subject,so this will be interesting information,for anybody that's looking for,information about that coming straight,from one of the leading researchers in,the world which is very cool and we've,been talking offline in our mother,tongue of québécois so yeah he's got a,heavy chemical accent well,about ten minutes they'll be used it,so Jean floss wah I you're gonna tell me,I'm gonna take everything I know about,peptides that I'm gonna erase it from my,brain I've never heard of a peptide I,don't know what it's from I don't know,where it's the right from I heard you,know nothing about it okay with me what,is a peptide exactly well basically it's,it's a little chain of amino acids if,you want to have an idea of what it is,you have proteins are made of amino acid,so when when you eat meat or any protein,that protein is broken down into smaller,proteins to eventually being broken down,into peptides and those peptides are,then broken down into amino acids and,then they can enter the system you know,through the intestine lining so,basically this is it so it's a chain and,it has to be only amino acids linear,chains sometimes they have REM acacia,ramification but technically that makes,it a protein then but there are a few,exceptions so this is it it's the body,produced them naturally it is suspected,that we produce close to 200,000,peptides in our body not that we ingest,that we do produce there are over seven,that that's kind of a guess but,identified there is over 7,000 and out,of that 7,000 I don't know what,percentage small percentage we know what,they do so many times there is a,research paper coming out about new,peptide it's not actually about,the novelty of the peptide that's more,that now they found out what it does and,part of the research is that to take,those peptides and I'd say okay this one,what does it do in the body is it good,and can it be using the therapeutic,application okay so would this be I'm,gonna just maybe use this you might call,this a silly analogy but if you know I,get protein from my steak like you were,saying earlier yeah if you're just,eating a lot of steak would you be,getting a lot of these peptides or is it,kind of like when you're not getting,enough vitamins from your food you take,a supplemental vitamin no because in the,intestine peptides are broken down into,amino acids so yeah you may you will,have some peptides some that are totally,useless in terms of action other ones,maybe they would be but you will break,them down and that's why actually most,peptides almost all of them you cannot,take them orally they need to be,injected because you take them orally,you're gonna digest them like a small,protein into amino acid and then by,breaking it down it loses all activity,of course okay so yeah so what would be,the reason why if this is something,that's made naturally or something,that's the right form amino acids,whatever it doesn't sound like anything,that's really any type of synthetic,chemical or drug in a way why is it,what's the big the reason there's so,much controversy around them because,they're infected does it really just,that and okay there is many ways to,answer that one is that because we,produce them naturally they cannot be,patented now you see where I'm going,right so the pharmaceutical industry,knew about them,since the beginning they would just shut,up they would didn't mention them leave,them alone and there was kind of an,underground sub underground people not,on the ground but how do you call that,no small group of people biohackers and,all that that tweaked with them and had,good result but it never became,mainstream except that with the rise of,the internet well that well what was not,mainstream suddenly became mainstream it,was now you have all those face group,groups talking about that tides you have,ready at all those forums now and it,became very big a few years ago and so,big that actually in the u.s. now many,many doctors prescribed them the FDA at,this point a la that there is a covered,and many states in the US its,investigative medicine it's called so,there are as long as it's not prohibited,by the FDA then they can prescribe so it,is not forbidden by the FDA so now,actually it became so big and because it,cannot be patented you know just a,little parenthesis so people they get a,better view of what's happening and,probably custard a lot of money is,lobbying but now what pharmaceutical,company do is the patent well they use,before but it's useless but are they,patent the the peptide and its,applications and they list everything,that is known so now that forces any,company making peptides that sell at,that tide or more so if it because a few,are sold in pharmacies in the you,so if a doctor is to prescribe that,peptide for this condition then he has,to use the one that is sold by the,company that has a patent for that,application so now that's how they,grabbed the market of peptides and now,they got it you're going to see there,are two or three already that are on the,market in the US and soon you'll see,them popping out and what they are doing,- now they are looking a lot into,fraction of peptides because big,peptides with multiple use like they can,be intimately repairing and immune,system balancing in one peptide so they,break it down the isolate a circuit this,section of the peptide does as that,specific activity and it does work but,now it's it doesn't exist naturally in,the body so now they can put a patent on,that and market it as such obviously for,the people well it's huge difference,like very huge difference in prices but,that's what they do so basically that's,what happened with it like pretty,inexpensive to make generically yeah if,you would compare okay there are three,levels of cells you have the,pharmaceutical one then you would in the,u.s. you have compounding pharmacy that,do compound peptides and then you have,those internet sellers that ninety,percent ninety nine percent it's,actually imports from China,maybe another podcast if there was an,interest I could talk about that but,there is a big problem with that most of,this company now they're running out,because of first because of in December,the US through a treaty with China was,able to for,try not to stop making a lot of,compounds including peptides and that's,an attempt again by Big Pharma to kind,of stop the generic business with,killing their business since it's more,than 85% of raw material is made in,China so if they stop making it and,trying making those ones in China then,the color of the supply to the generic,companies and that included peptide so,now all those companies they're starting,to have problems plus because of the,virus right now the current a virus they,kind of cut off exports you know in 1st,of January they start making but they,still add stock and they were a lot to,ship it out so nothing nothing for now,they can even ship out the stocks so,you'll see a bunch of company being out,of stock indefinitely on products,because and company that's initially,they would be proud to claim it was made,in the US well they they were not okay,so what about understanding so far is,there basically a form amino acid,derived from marine right I mean why I,said but you can't ingest it because,you'll break it down exact when you,digest it so it needs to be injected,you're saying once it's being injected,that's when a lot of people raise their,eyebrows if they okay just to show you,the difference because it's injected it,becomes a biological compound you,introduce in the body so for the FDA and,Health Canada that's medicinal,if they were absorbable by mouth then,that would become a food supplement okay,let's say it's a mini protein basically,because you can use a vitamin b12,injectable or anything else because the,FDA approved it that's okay but that's,exactly,they say for that that's cool but they,didn't for peptides okay,so then there's certain peptides are,saying that the larger ones can have a a,bunch of different benefits but now that,they're finding ways to cut those down,even smaller to say I just want this one,little piece let me give you an example,you know I go ahead but there is one,peptide that's called time is in beta,for that generally was used to heal,tissues it's amazingly good at repairing,all tissues in liver lungs kidneys,everything muscle ligaments so at the,beginning actually it was used mostly in,sports you know to heal ligaments to eat,the old tendons that was the wealth kept,secret you know you would see an athlete,professional athlete hurt himself and,you many times you would think though,that's it it's gone for the season and,it would be back in three weeks so,everybody would say hey well he has a,good doctor yeah yeah a good doctor that,knew about that basically and that's its,DOS peptide so this peptide is amazingly,good for healing tissue but it has other,activities and since amatory and for,example or modulating the immune system,so not they found out it's okay amino,acid for example for healing tissues,it's the section semi no acid 17 to 23,it's this section you can take it out,and you will have only the tissue,repairing musculoskeletal repairing,those tissues specifically and they a,lot of research is done with that,tanning peptide that has an,anti-inflammatory effect but the problem,with it is if you would use it in,dosages that are like,efficient in as a systemic and sinful,matauri well in no time,somebody white like you people would ask,you if you are from the India or from,Africa I was asked a couple of times in,my life where I did abuse the tanning,peptide if I was from India actually so,it would call from high dosages all the,time and you would turn like but very,very dark so now they found out actually,it's the last three amino acid of that,sequence that has the intense a matter,effect so now you can just sensitize,those that little chain you would get,very potent and since Rama Tori effect,and of course no tanning effect no no,other thing so a lot of research right,now is done in that direction to so when,we spoke by phone the other day we spoke,for a little good long while,you told me something that really stuck,out you said you know you're you're,doing TRT right now and you're in this,trt group and you know optimizing,hormones is good oh yes you said that in,your view that optimizing guys that want,to do biohacking if it's this the,testosterone is here t is like a really,is because your team is many of those,anti-aging clinics in the US and then,the bahamas in those places you pay,fortunes to to have therapies they're,not anti-aging basically they give you,trt and growth hormone replacements,that's not anti-aging actually it was,shown that if you have higher,testosterone levels you will live a bit,less the other extreme if you castrate,yourself that's the the other like full,extreme you will live longer you know in,Nuuk are i've been shown to live longer,it's a question of choice basically but,they're not anti aging,they're healthy aging,which is very different it's not it's,not gonna make you live longer but it's,gonna make you live healthier,during those later years which is good,and that's about it again it's a quiz,mix you know there you cannot take one,concept and put it in a box because of,course if you are healthier chances are,that you will live a bit longer too,because you won't get that disease or if,you talk about the stuffs wrong and,growth hormone of course you're gonna,maintain a better muscle mass so you'll,be less prone to frailty so when you're,frail that brings about its own problems,that you know not direct but indirect,how many times you hear of somebody and,older people they break their hips,because they they couldn't stand them,but you know because they were shrilled,fall and dying three months after,they're dead because it brings about you,know the it's a big break,big damages may be needed operation you,know it's it just starts a cascade of,events that makes them not live so long,after that so by by by by having a,better muscle mass from maintaining,testosterone levels and growth hormone,then you you avoid that and it's not,nothing and just in Quebec I think there,are estimated like billions of dollars,spent,due to frailty and the older population,it's ridiculous so you're saying that,the health care's HRT would be more,living healthy having more muscle mass,maybe having less fat having so stronger,bones exactly a quality of life yeah but,that peptides could could actually be,more considered anti-aging okay,I'm gonna dump on you now when I tell,what I say now my conferences it's very,depressing actually the day you cannot,reproduce for nature 100% nature's view,the day you cannot reproduce you become,useless for nature and basically we are,genetically programmed to die you know,there is no way out actually I was,thinking about that but it's it's very,deeply program because you know,sometimes you have genetic aberrations,but in the whole history of man there is,no gene it never happened once that,somehow the the the death gene was,altered so the person wouldn't die so,that just makes you think it's a,combination of many genes but the point,is we are programmed to die so,everything you hold biochemistry when,you're young is there to build you to,make you stronger to survive and to be,able to reproduce but as you get older,that same biochemistry driven by your,genetic turns against you for you to die,so there is no way out so what I call,anti-aging therapies are ways to tweak,with that biochemistry you have to go at,the deeper level and just take,testosterone and growth hormone you,really need to tweak with that,biochemistry so you push that debt time,further and yeah so basically that's it,you know nature they want you dead by,the age of 50 and they want seven five,children's out of seven dead before the,age of,that's right this we have shown us it's,not happening anymore because I'm Tamiya,takes this and that but natural point of,view this is it,so everything that bring that higher in,terms of time is our things that we do,you know you get an infection you take,antibiotics so now that's you tweak with,that in the sense that it's you with,your brain with your technology you,decided okay I'm gonna do something,about it now it can be done done in a,much profound level with peptides there,are other compounds that are not,peptides but a lot can be done with,peptides because they are signaling,molecules so they really work into the,cells to signal pathways to do this or,start doing that they're really at the,root of what's happening are you in the,biochemistry so they're very very potent,little molecules that you can now do a,lot with them so can you give us an idea,of some of the things that peptides can,do okay well just repairing peptides I,had a consult,just before that and with a client and,she was asking me okay how long will it,takes to repair with the peptides I,don't know I'm not a specialist in,injuries so I told her I said the best,to ask to is ask your doctor who have,seen hundreds of the same so he will,have a pretty good idea how long it,takes and for with those repairing,peptides I like to tell people all it's,easy whatever time he gives you cut it,in half so if it would take two months,it's gonna they take one month to repair,maybe less depending on dosages and,other things you do so they're very very,efficient at accelerating it make turns,into a mini Wolverine basically,oh they're really really good and you,know I won't go into detail more in,another podcast but the the doodle,repair in a more organized fashion you,know if you break a ligament when it's,gonna repair there's going to be kind of,a scar on the ligament you know the,fibers the alignment won't it's gonna be,all entangled like that as if the repair,is done under the action of the peptides,the the fibers if we could call them of,the ligaments would be in line so it's,gonna be a much cleaner repair than if,you let it happen naturally so it's,actually not just a quicker repair a,better repair it is yeah okay other than,repair what else okay if if you want to,categorize you have peptides that I'd,like to classify as repairing peptides,you have cosmetic but I'd like that,turning to time melanotan that gives you,a tan but it's still a bit of it's,cosmetic in many ways because when when,you tan but you don't tan under the Sun,like with the peptide but even when you,sorry when you turn under the Sun the,skin thickens up to three times the,normal thickness so it's a very good,approach for anti-wrinkles gonna take,thick skin wrinkles less that's why,black people have less wrinkles than,white people as they have a thicker,stick in because they're at the extreme,of tanning if you could say so but it's,still cosmetic and there is a whole,array of cosmetic peptides like that,then you have what I like to call,anti-aging peptides that are more,specific to anti-aging you ask Tara,predict peptides now that are used in,specific conditions and that can go from,chronic fatigue - even Lyme disease if,we go to the extremes - autoimmune,response ALS even the religion call,diseases now very good results with that,tight therapies and more and more with,time coming so if somebody was to if you,you had a menu that you could hand to,somebody and say here are all the,peptides and next to this is what they,do and you can pick how many roughly,peptides would be on this menu of,different actions let's say because I'm,sure maybe there's maybe a couple that,do fat loss or maybe a couple days yeah,at this point in time less than a,hundred actually it's really because,okay you mentioned I started to not,research but more got an interest in,peptides back in the 90s because there,wasn't that many actually there was one,that came out and was a tanning peptide,I got interested to then the growth,hormone secreted geiges and you know it,added up so with time more and more but,yet there aren't that many not EF every,week of almost a new one pops out so,it's growing very very fast but at this,point there aren't that many but they,are enough to do a lot of things and I,cannot even imagine well actually I do I,foresee if things go the way they should,go,medicine you would go see a doctor in,five to ten years and most of his,prescriptions are gonna be peptides and,if then things go well probably to,probiotics big science is developing,around that the medicinal application of,probiotics and,a few years is going to become,mainstream as medicinal applications,those toward the next frontier of,medicine this is kind of like the,beginnings of true biohacking if you are,oh yeah it's close to what some because,a lot some of them they actually work at,the gene level because there is another,category I'd like to talk separately,about their bio regulator they call,they're called and those ones maybe some,people they'll have earned about AP,talam which is mostly known for its,anti-aging but it's part of class of,peptide that are called bio regulators,and basically they exist in every every,organ or systems as its specific bio,regulator and what it will do it will,work a bit like an adaptogen it will,bring that's it's the one for the liver,so it will bring the lever to its,optimal activity so if something is,working too much for some reason then,it's going to bring it down if it's not,working if it's sluggish and it's gonna,bring it up but through natural,biochemistry you know to make everything,work as it should and those ones,specifically they're the act they are,small enough they introduce themselves,in the DNA of the cells and depending,which organ so they will have different,places where they will hook so let's say,this section is the section that our,genes that are expressing themselves in,the liver so the peptide will bind there,and kind of slightly make it expand a,little in that zone which will increase,the expression of those genes that are,specific to the liver and so that's,basically that's,pathetic to its root you know you,directly affect the expression of the,genes directly no nothing in between so,they're very potent to and very useful,and those have been around for 50 years,actually they were discovered in Russia,back in the Cold War same as the other,countries they got a doctor they say,find something to make her our soldiers,better and bang I don't know probably,they were not very happy with him,because he didn't make super soldiers,but it sounds something you found that,category of peptides and that's like 50,years ago so it's not you it's what is,new is that we hear about them yeah,we're hearing about them more more yeah,yeah a few years back all these like it,was really you with here and that's one,thing because that's a lot in the realm,of biohacking actually and who wear the,modern so to say first biohackers thank,who started by liking really I'll tell,you body builders okay that respect yeah,they started first of course to tweak,with hormones testosterone in the 50s,and the derivates after so that that's,biohacking,what can you take to make her body,function better and and some of them I,don't want to become descendant but some,of them as a brain and they really look,into that and they say okay now what can,we use to train better to have better,concentration it was all around training,in their sports so what can we do to get,better training and they started to look,into know tropics back in the 70s and,eventually it kind of spread out to,other people or you know those healing,peptides all together okay what can,take to heal faster because I have a,competition in one month and I want to,go so they they tweaked with all those,things back then me because of my,background and where I was at the time I,did my degree in kinesiology in Ottawa,there were as Olympic athletes training,there and powerlifting an Olympic,lifting bobsleigh a bunch of sports and,bodybuilders all that and very soon I,was introduced to what was done there at,that level and that's when I say and and,then it's funny because I was only 19,there is that book that came out life,extension and I bought it and wow I said,that that's a good book so and it's,still for many thing it's still very,up-to-date and I got interested in that,anti-aging thing because it entered,tweak you know you left better you will,live longer because what kills you at,the end it's some kind of disease so the,healthier you are or less chances are,that you're going to die younger than,you're supposed to because that's,another concept you have to keep in mind,you know I said we're genetically,programmed to die but as I believe that,overall were genetically programmed to,die around the age of 120 it's even,biblical actually but what I mean is you,look now there are more probably not,more but the population is bigger so yes,there are more people and again because,of Internet we hear more about them,the that's about you know 111 117 you,know they rotate under 120 I think so,for very few past 120 and not much so it,seems that yeah that's the top age that,the deep programming is set to so,basically what you do,tweaking with the biochemistry by having,a good diet by optimizing your hormones,by doing exercise everything you you you,you don't add years to how long you're,supposed to live that's program you just,you just don't take years away you're,born with a hundred twenty years now,everything you will do either will make,you go close to that or will take years,away so contamination bad hygiene sleep,I Jean you know everything you can throw,in there if you don't respect those,things then you take years away but when,you were born,well not today because you know that any,baby born today is already born with 200,and more parlament,in his blood that he got from the mother,as a work but fight for that so but you,know you understand the idea no so and,and again all that is done by tweaking,the best we can with what we have and at,this point I believe most of it is from,peptides good so are they considered you,know if somebody's watching this video,says oh I want to you know I want to get,some peptides is it is it a league is it,legal to buy and have it depends is it,something only a good doctor,it depends where you live most of those,internet companies including mine we,sell them as research compounds so,that's not a national law that's an,international agreement that's why I,didn't take it off that a la university,research centers or even individual to,buy compounds under that classification,and,officialy do research now once they got,them as an individual what they do with,it it's up to them so legally we can,sell them as research compounds what you,do with it after that's all it to you,and nobody's gonna knock at your door to,find out what you're doing with them so,they are in that gray zone for that,intern market if you're in the US a lot,of doctors now prescribe them they're,sold through compounding pharmacies they,are more expensive but yeah and soon,through pharmacies so it's still a gray,zone where it's still permitted and,allowed who knows in two years and five,years but for now it can be done this,way no problem earlier you mentioned,China say yeah some of them are coming,in from China so I'm going to assume,that you meant that the stuff coming,from there isn't really that great,quality whereabouts right now,I've been known to be every can pass a,fast when they will let me give you an,example when growth hormone was,sensitized not extracted from the glands,then China started to sensitize growth,hormone but there is one company in,particular back then what they did is,that that's pretty extreme but that's,the kind of things that you could expect,only from China so they started to sell,growth hormone the best quality you can,get so people were using it and it was,like wow and one of the effect you get,to growth hormone that its telltale that,it's you have the right stuff is you,will develop the,you know that syndrome internal syndrome,yeah you'll develop that and if should,take higher dosages pretty fast so,people were getting that syndrome very,fast because it was good and after a few,months they switched the growth hormone,for a drug I don't remember the name of,what it is that has nothing to do with,growth hormone with a lot cheaper but I,the side effect that it would give you,the carpal tunnel syndrome,so people for a couple of years they,continue to use it and say no it must be,good I get that approach to no,inflammation and one day somebody,decided to analyze it and they say no,there's no growth hormone and they are,there is this what they will do there is,a study that came out not so long ago,five six years ago we're in one of those,kind in Asian countries they ordered,from different Internet company,melanotan that tanning peptide and they,analyzed them and the purity was ranging,to very high quality to not so high but,what was consistent and from all the,vials is that they were all sold as,containing ten milligrams and,systematically they contained five so,they were selling you five for the price,of ten but that's when you repeat a lie,often enough it becomes true so you use,it and eventually yes we will get a tan,and it's going to take this time your,friend is using from another company,same kind of results and so you know,that lie became truth okay the standard,that yeah okay it's good and they don't,expect people like you buy peptides are,you gonna go to a lab to have it and,it's gonna cost you like ten times what,it costs you to buy the peptides to have,it analyzed,and it comes down to nobody does it so,and they counted on that so they say,okay because there is a visual effect we,have to put the real stuff in there but,you know have those they will get a turn,eventually and everybody's gonna be,happy,another thing they will do it's in the,process of making it meaning when we,make it in a lab we stick skip those,details but basically we we oak one,amino acid to the next to complete the,chain right but at every step,there are amino acid that don't hook up,to the first one you know so they will,float around so if it's properly done,that's the way we do it anyway,at every step we analyze we do HPLC to,see the percentage and then we clean it,so at every time you start from a,hundred percent percentage why because,if you leave those free amino acids,floating then they will hook up later or,they're not supposed to so let's say at,the fifth amino acid in the sequence,glycine is supposed to go there but you,had some tryptophan floating around so,the tryptophan will take the place of,the glycine and and you will build that,that one chain on that tryptophan,instead of glassing so at the end your,peptide won't be active because it's,it's it's activity it's based on the the,perfect sequence for that that type but,because it's all made up of the same,amino acids when you will test it so,because some people do that they order,about from China and then test it on the,HPLC and it shows a high percentage but,let's say chose 98% but,maybe 8% is their nitrate that peptide,so it's gonna be the same way because at,the end it's all the same amino acids,I've been using so the HPLC doesn't tell,you which I mean no acid does it gives,you the weight of the molecule which is,very specific but since you build it,with the same amino acid but they are,not at the right place you may have a,high percentage of the peptide that,won't be active so that's a lower,quality and there is no way no cheap way,to test for that so they know nobody,does it so you say hey let's keep those,steps it's gonna make production much,cheaper and that's what happened you get,them very cheap there but what happened,you'll get a batch,working the next batch is not working so,well you get those variations in results,and more so today when you work with,with medical application you don't want,that kind of variations so you might,think that they wouldn't want to send,you something that that's that's crap,well it's only gonna buy them anymore,right no well you know what happened in,China they don't care because let's say,you buy from the Internet company,because in China there isn't like a,hundred companies that make peptides it,China and it's government regulated so,there are maybe two companies that,sensitize peptides in China so and they,they're it was assigned by the,government they say you and you you make,this you you make this anybody who has,been to China or heard about it you know,it's all by areas you have a,biochemistry area you have a,technological area you know there are,provinces that are dedicated to,industries and each within the industry,what each company does it's government,assigned so there is only one or two,that mass-produce and then if you go on,Alibaba you will find a hundred that,they're resellers they exist as a,company only on the,Internet it's actually a guy in front of,his computer so the company makes I,don't know a hundred thousand vials of,one peptide so they're gonna call those,resellers it's okay we just made a,hundred thousand how many do I keep for,you how many for you and not they will,go sell so you will have company X and,the u.s. buying from this revenger and,company y in the u.s. buying from this,revenger but at the end they all come,from the same place hands when they,bought from 15 different companies,systematically they were at five,milligrams because they are bottled,there so you know it's I just Schwartz,it and there was one source for,melanotan it was so that's why maybe the,revenger doesn't know that for sure the,guy in the US doesn't but it goes that,far you know somebody did it but there,are no reason to tell the next guy down,the line but they do that and why China,has a reputation of selling cheap stuff,not only chemicals because if they have,a chance to make something cheaper by,cutting corners,they will that's what they do is in,their genes I guess so that's the thing,that floating thing that they don't have,control so sometimes they'll be lucky,and the quality will be a bit higher,sometime it's going to be lower so,you're gonna buy a peptide from a,company in the US and they bought maybe,six months ago so it was a batch this,other company just bought a new the same,peptide it's a newer batch luckily this,one worked better so you'll hear I know,this company is better this company now,they were just lucky at this time and,maybe the next time they buy they won't,get the same results and they won't I've,seen it because before we started that's,one of the reasons,why I started this company because I was,a bit tired of that you know sometimes,it works and I was buying straight from,China before I never bought through,those companies and I know what other,prices I know how they work and price,has changed up and down but you know,it's between competition between vendors,they circled is one more but this one,less at the end they all make about the,same money that's why all those,companies they all sell pretty much the,same array of peptides and the same,dosages and and they all have those,color cap that's that's telltale sign no,red capping cap blue cap so us to,differentiate for that we only have,white caps so you know so just to make a,bit of difference at that level there,was something you told me before when,you're talking about a ch-ch-ch and I I,started laughing inside,I bought some HGH online that was,obviously was it wasn't prescription but,I had looked it up and they said it was,pretty good on some of the forms I went,to go so I got two months supply and I,didn't take a ton of it and I tried it,for two months and after two months I,was like my sleep isn't improved feel,the same I looked the same this it's,like I might as well just be drinking a,glass of air but I had carpal tunnel and,I and I didn't know that that had an,effect carpal tunnel what point my wife,says could it be your HGH at you taking,that's the dwarf well why would HGH,cause that I thought it was silly and,she was it's the only thing you changed,I stopped taking it I threw the rest out,because I was fed up it wasn't doing,anything and my carpal tunnel went away,and now I'm wondering if I gotta bashes,something that wasn't HGH biscuit yeah,because they've done it that wouldn't be,the first time you know it's crazy I'm,telling you that's why when I realized,all that you know I approach I mean and,biochemist strike of luck,started the company and it's it's good,because people they see it they relocate,just to give you an example about,melanotan when you start to use,melanotan the first few doses you'll,have a bit of upset stomach and if you,take too much actually you're going to,throw up so it's not it's just after a,few days it goes away or in what you do,you start at smaller dosages and add,people who used melanotan for years and,but under those and when they tried mine,they took what they thought was right,those and they threw up and they never,threw through that before because mine,was about twice more more concentrated,than you know the they said whoa I said,yeah that because now you're getting the,right dosage you say that let's say what,we're going to use HGH we're talking,about is there a benefit to using,peptides over HGH do you think that's,peptides can pretty much do everything,exchange they're a Serie of peptides,that make you release your own growth,hormone and for optimizing wrote hormone,that's enough you know you're not,talking you don't need soprofesh,illogical levels because the the pitcher,a gland unless there is a malfunction of,the gland it still can produce full,amount of growth hormone until the day,you die you're 90 years old the reason,it doesn't that the levels are dropping,it's the stimulation of the pitch where,is not there anymore,so now there are peptides that's replace,that may provoke that stimulation and,one injection 5-10 minutes and you have,Peaks that and if you combine them pigs,that you probably never had in your life,higher,and in term of I use it matches when to,I use a day which is a normal hormonal,replacement therapy so no problem with,an advantage okay when you work with,growth hormone you're looking at two,effects the the actual effect of the,growth hormone that it has on pretty,much every tissue in the body bone,muscle liver everywhere brain kidneys,there are receptors for growth hormone,pretty much everywhere in your body like,for testosterone but then if it's taken,at the right time meaning when your,greasy Mia is low then it will stimulate,the production by the liver of igf-1,which - as different receptors all over,your body with a bit different,activities so now when you inject wrote,hormone you have the direct effect of,the growth hormone and the indirect,effect of the igf-1 when you take a,peptide those growth hormone releasing,peptide and the growth hormone releasing,hormone it's true in another podcast I,explain the difference but you use them,together and it's like one plus one,equal five,those peptide actually have their own,receptors all over the body because,they're their derivates of the Grillin,hormone you know the hunger appetite but,not as much more it turns out that the,the Grillin and the growth hormone,releasing hormone are very similar,eventually they have better categories,where the you cut off that hunger effect,but you keep the growth hormone,stimulation but you have receptors for,that actual peptide all over the body so,now you add the third layer of positive,that you don't get when you inject,peptides so it's even better using the,peptides to release your own growth,hormone and it is a lot cheaper which is,why I ordered usually it's good so,that's why if it's for hormonal,replacement therapy healthy aging,therapy go for the peptides all friends,with that so we're gonna do some other,videos then where we can do maybe more,of a deep dive into let's say peptides,for repair I would imagine some of the,strategies that people can use of course,sometimes on the cosmetic side maybe,it's for you know you want to get a more,of a tan or you want to do fat loss or,you want to do whatever well well we'll,talk then but there is a very safe,effect side effect from those starting,peptides remind me to tell you about it,I did I'm supposed to print and I've,never heard of peptides but I have one,friend of mine that tried the melatonin,and he told me that his little friend,that downstairs was like this for it's,pretty much the strongest thing you can,do for that,unreal by far without side effects and,we have time I'm sure just because nurse,from next time okay it's like a turbo,cialis on turbocharged there is a bunch,of receptors in the brain they're called,melanocortin,receptors and a message whether time is,a derivate of a message one,it's melatonin stimulating hormone but,as I told you it to us until some,battery activities and all that so,anyway the effect is in the brain it's,not local and it turns out that it,stimulates how it stimulates down there,I don't know,but it's not a local effect it's true,the primitive brain and so you get can I,say it with the greatest erections with,that but more than that it increases the,actual Libby dough to the degree that as,men and I assume woman to because I've,seen them when I was younger you know,you're 17 18 and you got that drive you,need to go out and you know that's you,need a girl and you don't care even if,it's the fat ugly one you know sometimes,you ain't bang you know that drive that,you cannot reason it comes back when you,use melanotan,and it increases the the orgasm it's,better so you win at all levels with,that and now there is a derivate of,melanotan,PT one for one that has all those effect,without the tanning because again when I,told you if I was asked if I was in ten,well I I wasn't doing it for the tanning,and I took too much so now there is a,variant of it that doesn't make you tan,or it does slightly you would have to,take tons of it to tan and you get those,effect and actually it's not it's one of,those few peptide that is on the,pharmaceutical market and it's actually,marked market to toward woman because it,increases their libido and orgasm and,everything like this something just,because run to something something you,take kind of like a short term over a,period of weeks and you have to stop or,is it something you could take long term,my dependence why for tanning why the,roar let's say okay well no basically,you you would like anything else you,would time,things you know if should go if you know,that you're going to some seminary,somewhere and I would assume that you,know you're gonna be you know that's it,you know no no sexual activities then,you know you don't take it otherwise you,just make everything much harder much,harder if you're pretty sure that your,gets like a day yeah you take it or you,know you're married those things can be,decided the equivalent of taking a,cialis exactly except the duration it,can be pretty long some people that's,more individual the offset is long for,some people it up to 12 hours to kick in,but when it kick in venal and and the,effect can last anything from 16 to 48,hours after again that's individual no,you have to tweak a bit and learn and,basically knowing the offset time and,everything then you know when to get,your shot and so you you know when,you'll be ready and you take it and then,bang literally bang yeah no no it's it's,very impressive and people that viagra,cialis all those didn't work they take,those and they work well the difference,is with cialis and viagra in particular,I've tried cialis I've never tried,viagra but viagra you're just up whether,you like it or not good yeah it's it's,no libido when it kind of headaches and,and and and again it doesn't work for,everybody there is a percentage of,people there is no amount of younger,they can take it's not gonna work,and the melanotan or the PT one for one,will work there is a percentage of,people it's not gonna work,at the beginning so what you have to do,is kind of teach the body so you do it,for a couple of weeks and suddenly bang,it's gonna work and afterward it's gonna,work as you expect but some people they,need some kind to train the body to the,that time I once heard that analogy with,smoking weed,some people they have to smoke it a,couple of times and nothing happens yeah,yeah and then they're good you know next,time they're good yeah for a small,percentage of people but eventually it,will work a hundred percent cool okay so,I know what our next videos are gonna be,about cuz I'm gonna get a lot of the,peptides for cosmetics peptides for,tanning peptides for fat loss,peptides for what is right and resurrect,sex since you work with or mono mainly,with hormonal replacement therapy as,suspect that you know that healthy aging,aspect anti-aging a lot of people will,be interested in that but yeah I'm sure,when you get into it and what I love,about working with peptides is that they,don't have side effects you know,nobody's gonna call you at 4:00 in the,morning and the emergency yeah they're,pretty much side-effect free not that,you have to be careless about it there,are considerations to be taken but,generally nothing to worry about,side effects or bad effects or things,like that there are pretty good things,how would people reach you they watch,this video and they say I gotta talk to,this guy I don't think it's someone good,about okay you defer for a talk first,yes on Facebook can lab see a and lb as,a page where you know they can write I'm,the one answering the messages but,usually I mostly answer messages related,to the company not like because,sometimes the people they ask me,questions that would require a book,chapter and you know I just don't have,time for that,but usually and for your listener if,they ask me questions that require short,answers then I will but don't expect too,much explanation because then that's,where the book chapter comes in but,usually if the answer could be yes no,maybe I don't know I will answer if it's,a question because I had had people,writing me and you know they like the,layout they're come done this and have,disc and bang that that would take like,an hour to answer and I just don't have,time for that but you know general,question I have this would that be good,for me yeah sure you know now I would,look more into this you know I try more,to educate people so they don't need to,ask those questions that's why I do a,lot of podcast I'm not much of a writer,and so on that Facebook page I have a I,write sometimes short things that I find,pertinent at the time and I'm,interacting in a few peptide groups but,the main one I'm very active and if,people want to join it as an extra group,and what I do in that particular groups,I do a podcast twice a month Russ,where I kind of answer you know I left,question,gather up or I see the overall direction,of the questioning in the group and then,in the instead of writing ten times,different post then I make a podcast and,I answered those questions or I talk,about what I feel is a general topic,that is unclear to most people so the,group its bio hiking superhuman,performance I didn't come up with the,name but a good friend of mine in,Toronto is managing it and you know,there you can find more podcast where,I'm I'm much more specific I may talk,about one peptide for an hour you know,what it does why white people say this,because there are a lot of,misconceptions too in that word and I I,try to clear that up too so that's a,good group and then in your group I'll,be there too so you know yes I didn't,write you sure as long as you know the,quest the answer doesn't require me to,write for half an hour but you know I'll,just usually people you know they ask,the questions and and sometimes I see,another member the the answer is correct,so I don't need to so I will just like,the answer and that's like my okay,nothing to add to because I don't,pretend to this is kind of the reason,why I do these videos is somebody'll ask,a question the group and I'll be like oh,yeah I did a video about that with this,person I'm like here watch this I just,yeah the link and and go there you go,you know and and actually can lab as I,they're not all there but if they go on,YouTube they can lab channel there is,already a couple of those little podcast,I've made in that group so I do them for,that group but then and I put them on,the cat you,tube channel scan lab so they can go,there and yeah true podcast and,conferences sometimes you know I try to,educate people that's like cool so guys,our group in case you're wondering it's,the same name as the YouTube channel t,RT and hormone optimization so I'm gonna,send them an invite so again this is,just this was really meant to be an,intro yeah we touched on a whole bunch,of different things but we're gonna try,to do another two or three or we're,gonna go in depth on some more specific,subjects in a lot more detail and like I,said have a live Q&A so I can get a,bunch of questions from the Facebook,group and then I also have people on,YouTube chat you know putting questions,up in real time to ask so if you know,just to make sure you guys don't miss,these videos click subscribe like the,video if you liked it click that,notification bell so you'll find out and,then when these videos come out you'll,know about them right away you won't,miss it,oh and and to in groups because some,people they steer their questions to,become a private consultation basically,you know and then I I don't I do private,consultation and it's part of my living,and I charge for those you know I'm not,pushing it right now but just to talk if,somebody would ever be interested to go,deeper specifically for them you know a,specific case specific then they can,just go through private consult and we,go the as deep as we can go specifically,for the person I consult with so and I,don't like you through the can lab,Facebook page yeah or yeah they can buy,them to the can lab dotnet that our,webpage which is simpler that than that,you cannot find no people they'll get,errors and you know no pictures it's,like a very simple thing,but it serve its purpose because the,problem with that too to be too specific,to one person in a group many people,because many times its factory,therapeutic but if I start to give too,precise of advice for this person other,people of the group won't use it as an,educative tool but they'll just do a,copy and paste to them or to other,people and that might not be the best,idea,so that's why I have to be careful for,that too for the sake of people because,what I could suggest for you for a,specific condition might not be the best,for the next guy and I don't want people,to fall into that I really want people,to learn but eventually they can come to,the right to the right what they should,do without consulting you know they know,enough they understood the whole thing,and at the beginning it's very,complicated of course it's new but as I,told you put eyes there isn't like mm at,this point you know there's a few dozens,that are actually being used so,eventually you kind of get a grabs of,what does what and how to use and merci,beaucoup the officer also to say set a,set that has a joke with you so guys,that's about it for today make sure you,stay 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