#chara theory

[unidentifiedflyingchoco]

What Are Chara’s Intentions Behind The Soulless Pacifist Route?

Picture this; You killed everyone, everyone who was supposed to be your friends. You showed them no mercy. Yet you think you are above consequences. You reset, hoping to yet again achieve a happy ending...but this time something changed. Chara appears, again, either with glowing red eyes in the dark, or surrounding your “friends” covered with red X’s. So what does this all mean? At first you may assume that everyone’s dead, but that’s far from the truth. Here’s why.

The Context Behind The Tainted Ending

Something that makes the meaning of this ending apparent is the context behind it. As previously mentioned this ending takes place after a murderboy route. A path which Chara shames us for taking. 

The soulless pacifist ending is essentially a way to constantly remind us of our sins, a way that we can never forget what we did. A nightmare we can never wake up from. How do we know everyone actually isn’t dead though? Our best friend, Flowey, can help us explain that.

Flowey And How Important He is To Proving Our Friends Are Still Alive

While at first our friends appear to be dead the game would suggest otherwise. Flowey specifically helps us see this. He claims everyone is happy on the surface, and that “Chara” can breath easy because everyone’s safe. 

This seems very out of place for an ending where everyone seemingly died, Flowey has no reason to directly state that everyone’s happy if they were really dead. Plus we’ve learned from the Undertale Alarm Clock Dialogue that Flowey ends up going to the surface with everyone else, this is also seen by the menu screen after the true pacifist ending, which shows that everyone left for the surface, even Flowey.

So this shows us that he without a doubt has knowledge of whether or not everyone survived, and in his own words everyone’s perfectly happy.

How Does Chara Do This?

You may be wondering how Chara is able to give us these endings if it doesn’t truly involve death. I think the answer is that they’re manipulating the way the player views things. As we see a similar thing happen with Asriel in the credits. 

They’ve been seen to have strange powers in the past as well, such as sensing how many monsters are in an area. 

The Soulless Pacifist Merch

Now while merch isn’t canon a piece of merchandise based off the soulless pacifist ending still seems to be an argument for some reason, but even assuming this has any merit whatsoever it is easily debunked. The merch in reference is this. 

It is gained through a now gone item called the determination combo. Flowey gave you the option of a one dollar discount, and if you took it you were rewarded with the soulless pacifist end card instead of the regular one. The argument here is that since they appear scared in the picture that must mean they were in danger, although this isn’t the case, as this card is taken out of context. The back of it actually read this:

Now why this is important is the part that says “this is all a bad dream and you’re never waking up”, that is Floweys dialogue from his Flowey X fight. This dialogue is very much here on purpose though, because it further proves the idea that Chara is manipulating the way we’re viewing things to haunt us with the memory of our dead friends, hence the “bad dream” dialogue. 

TL;DR

In conclusion the soulless pacifist ending was a way for Chara to punish us based on the context, and the fact that Flowey confirms that our friends are alive.

#chara #chara undertale #chara theory #ut chara #asriel and chara #chara ut #undertale chara #soulless pacifist #tainted pacifist #no mercy route #no mercy undertale #no mercy ut #undertale #Undertale theory #undertale lore #undertale asriel #undertale asgore #the dreemurrs #deltarune #deltarune theory #deltarune lore #dr theory #DR #chara defense squad #chara dreemurr #UT theory #ut lore

[platyroonism]

but if I'M a traumatized kid and YOU'RE a traumatized kid... who's playing the game!?

#frisk #chara #undertale #i just think the player as some kind of eldritch entity would be sooooo funny. the eldritch god capable of deleting everything #wants to smooch a ghost #also i'm not really a subscriber of 'demon chara' theory/canon #like thematically they DO represent the player or whatever #but also #.... they are just a silly kid :) #who likes chocolate :) #plart

[akanemnon]

Theory time with Chara

FIRST - PREVIOUS - NEXT

MASTERPOST (for the full series / FAQ / reference sheets)

#deltarune #undertale #deltarune fanart #undertale fanart #deltarune comic #comic #twin runes #twin runes comic #twin runes au #my art #kris dreemurr #frisk #chara #utdr #crossover #kfc #chara explains it all #at least they think they got it all figured out #is their theory correct? #hmmm i won't tell #first thing on their sibling agenda is bullying chara #kris you're being a terrible role model

[starryaike]

Bit of dialogue that I love.

#narrachara theory makes me insane in the head. good morning #undertale #chara #my art #chara dreemurr #frisk #i think about them SO much #you have no idea #they're siblings!!! #also drew this while listening to come along from adventure time cause it's them actually. their song

[the-meme-monarch]

they weren’t kidding that frisk someone can sure strange

anyway so the “see you in the next hell, losers” is inspired by this video ! it made me Think. undertale was their first hell(possessed by the SOUL), deltarune is their current hell(wants the SOUL back)

and the “try as you might, you continue to be yourself” is from when you get a second red flag in Ball Game in undertale ! thought it’d be ironic since. theyre kinda not acting like themself since they don’t have the SOUL anymore. not that they even really know who they were without it

also knight chara is here

#the art gallery #deltarune #strange someone frisk #knight chara #has it been long enough that I should reexplain ssfrisk. it’s my theory substantiated by absolutely nothing #undertale ​frisk is the ‘strange someone’(as described by seam) who fucked up jevil (and spamton) #bc they were the playable character in ut and they’re know aware how their life was a video game. they got locked out of undertales univers #bc of the ‘I have places to be’ ending. they got introduced into the deltarune universe bc the game isn’t complete #they want to go home + the SOUL back bc they literally dont remember their life before falling into mt ebott #and well without the SOUL now their life is kind of A Mess. I mean look they don’t have it anymore and now they’re a villain /jokey

[shimmershy]

Chara Week Day 5: Ghost

Every time I see that machine in the True Lab, I wonder if it could possibly be Chara's soul in there? Probably unlikely, but not impossible... It's interesting to think about what the implications of that would be.

A version with no text and then a version with just the machine, because I think it looks pretty cool and ominous alone as well.....

#chara week #chara week 2023 #undertale #safeutdr #chara dreemurr #my art #chara #undertale chara #chara undertale #true lab #I'm just thinking that. while it's possible that their soul shattered when they and Asriel died. we don't actually KNOW what happened #and human souls persist for a little while after death..... idk I'm bad at coming up with theories but I'm Thinking about it #and I will continue thinking about it even though it's probably not significant at all #ANYWAY it gave me a cool art idea so here you go. and hrm. yes technically I got that line from the Stay Calm fnaf fansong. specifically. #i don't like fnaf but the song is cool........... I'm pretty sure it gave me the idea for this drawing when i sketched it last may #btw yeah that's why i did this drawing specifically for this prompt. i had the sketch lying around and thought it would be fun to finish #ALSO I'm realizing that the dark ominous backgrounds of the True Lab are soooo fun to draw. especially with red glowy effects #AUGH oh no....... my habit of rambling excessively in the tags is returning........ I'll stop now lol

[radiant-vulpine]

Decided to make a little analysis on Chara's design, due to the common consensus on their appearance.

#undertale #undertale analysis #undertale speculation #chara #chara undertale #frisk undertale #sprites #theory #character design #deltarune

[daeyumi]

Hero 💠💎🗡️

[Linktober 2022 Day 17: Link]

#zelda #zelda au #legend of zelda #zelda fanart #linktober #linktober 2022 #zelda oc #au link #zelda botw #botw #BotW au #breath of the wild #link #loz au #daeyumi art #OKAY so this is my first post here featuring any of my AU charas!! #i will post more about story & charas here later but for now i’ll just say my initial inspiration for the au #which is one of my theories about botw’s link from seeing the intro of him waking up in the shrine of resurrection pre-release of BotW #i’ve also been thinking a lot about what to name my au so i’m gonna tag a couple options on here just in case #though i’ll prob end up going with cycle of the stars cuz it seems fitting #cycle of the stars au #genesis au #cycle of the stars #tbh im just hoping my tags will be good enough for organization so that all my au stuff can be found in one place later

[makerofmadness]

HOLY FUDGE BARS THE BOOK JUST LIKE. DROPS A HUGE THING RIGHT HERE WITH THIS.

"It becomes clear that the player and the main character aren't one and the same"

"You got The Locket"

"You took back the locket"

I've read through most of this book now and it does NOT just make statements like that or try to fill itself with fan theories. The most I've seen it "mess up" was with the story/battle context for Papyrus's really cool regular attack, calling it his special attack, which I have seen other people in the fandom do before anyway.

This author had direct access to Toby himself (there's notes about them asking him questions) and his own notes for the translators and stuff from when Undertale was being localized. there's screenshots of texts and spreadsheets.

I have seen nothing else in this book so far that is at all "stating theories as if they're canon." And iirc this book was officially considered "not part of Undertale merch" or something along those lines so it dodges the non-canonicity thing (plus again this is directly about the localization process behind Undertale from English to Japanese, I'm not sure how Toby's own notes on how Determination works could be considered anything but "canon").

...

I guess we were never really the greatest person, now were we...?

(this is the legends of localization book btw)

#Undertale #frisk #chara #<- I mean I guess?? I'll come up with theories once I reach the end of the book #Undertale player #red soul #<- my player tag #Utdr #legends of localization

[carlyraejepsans]

...👁️ayo?

#REINCHARANATION THEORY COMEBACK???????? #LET'S GOOOOOO #I KNEW THE BANDAGE AND THE WRAPPINGS WERE CONNECTED #undertale #chara #frisk #entry log

[under-lore]

An odd connection between Undyne the Undying and genocide Chara

There is something slightly intriguing about Undyne's genocide speech, before she transforms.

Some of the things it says seem... far too accurate compared to the things that Undyne is supposed to be able to know.

While it is not that crazy to think that Undyne would imagine the human would be willing to bring harm to humanity as well, something about the way she says it already feels slightly off.

Undyne speaks as if they would all be killed, although there are far too many humans & monsters for the human to be able to kill everyone by themself individually, even if given the rest of their life to do so.

But most importantly, she says that they would all be killed in an instant. That somehow, all of humans and monsters would be destroyed at once if the human ever got past her. Not in a slow murderous grind like what they had been doing thus far, but rather in a single moment of destruction that would bring an end to the whole world at once.

She seems quite certain about all this, too.

While one could put all of this on her love for anime and/or dramatic speeches, that doesn't really seem to be all there is to it because, as little sense as this should make, she's actually completely right about everything she just said !

Firstly, the way Chara speaks at the end of the route fits a little too well with Undyne's few first lines about the human achieving absolute destruction.

But most of all, Chara does eventually destroy the world in a single blow. Bringing upon the end of humans and surviving monsters alike in an instant, just as Undyne had suggested.

Even this line could be seen as a kind of reference if you stretch it a little...

The thing is, from an in-world perspective, there is no simply no way that Undyne could have been talking to Chara here or that she would have known what was going to happen.

Unlike Sans, who did actually have some information about an incoming timeline erasure, she simply didn't know that much about the situation and shouldn't have been able to say all of that with any sort of certainty.

Yet her guess was just far too accurate and confident to be a coincidence... Right ?

Well, one might consider it might be possible for it to be just some kind of foreshadowing without real meaning. For instance, other monsters also make comments on a certain lack of humanity in genocide.

But what makes this even more interesting and unique is that the references go both ways !

Once the world is destroyed, just as Undyne had said, whilst waiting for Chara, we can hear the wind howling over a black screen.

This wouldn't be much of a detail to be concerned about if it wasn't for the fact that :

This noise is also exactly what the narrator (also heavily theorised to be Chara !), describes when fighting, well, Undyne the undying herself.

It seems like this strangely accurate reference to the ending of the route gets sent right back towards Undyne as soon as it reveals itself to have been true.

Whilst Sans, who had also made a similar guess, doesn't get this kind of treatment...

In sum, the scenes of the battle against the Undying and Chara's destruction of the world both seem to make specific back and forth references to each other in a way that lacks a proper in-world explanation.

Although, it also seems strongly possible that this whole thing might just be a wink to the fact that the game already makes plenty of connections and parallels between Undyne and Chara's characters, opinions, likings and personalities. So this may just be another way to outline how connected these two characters are.

#undertale #undertale theory #undyne #undyne undertale #undyne the undying #chara #chara undertale #undertale chara #undertale genocide #sans #sans undertale

[hychlorions]

idk if this means anything but the promo image for nendoroid apollo's perceive effect sheet features him zeroing in on phoenix's hand. when you think abt it, phoenix in aa4 always keeps his hands in his pockets so if the promo image for the nendos DO mean something it's probably pointing to the fact that phoenix's tell/tic has something to do with his hands

#.docx #i've known all along 🫶 /j but it's been my theory #aside from a body language/chara design perspective aka hidden hands = many secrets #i always figured it might have smthn to do with his tic #DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS. *EYEING KRISTOPH WITH MY EYES* #they're matchies :) in a toxic way #if his tic has been revealed in dd or soj idc. those mean nothing to me #actually i don't remember if phoenix has other cross examinations when u have perceive equipped #we'll see

[thepilotdogee]

Based off the Undertale lore about Grillby that was recently released as of this writing. Can be found here: https://toby.fangamer.com/comics/grillbys/

As for if Grillby can live THAT long? I did have to ask around about that but @under-lore pointed out to me that there is merch saying that Grillby's was established 200X. And we know Chara fell in the underground in 201X. Thanks again Underlore!: https://www.fangamer.com/products/undertale-grillbys-mug

But toby tweeted that merch aint canon soooo.....(shrugs) Also here’s a close up picture of the two kids who built Grillby’s Snowman.

Edit: Wow! I didn’t think I get this many likes and reblogs for this. Thank you all so much!  I actually do a lot of Undertale (and Deltarune) arts so if you can, I would love it if you would check out my other stuff: [Masterpost Link] 

I also created an Undertale comic that takes place after the post-pacifist ending of Undertale : [LINK]

#undertale #Undertale theory #undertale comic #grillby #asriel #asriel dreemurr #asriel undertale #chara #chara undertale #the two children who built grillby's snowman could have been anybody #but I thought it be a fun idea that asriel and chara built the snowman for grillby

[grapemoon]

A few details about Undertale that I really like:

Napstablook is over 100 years old. They don’t recognize the King or (former) Queen.

Napstablook either has never seen Toriel in the Ruins, or just doesn’t care that she’s there.

Papyrus is really strong. REALLY strong. He’s just way too nice to even capture you.

The fact that its like. A plot twist on BOTH of the human’s identities. The kid you named was actually Chara, and the one you played as was actually Frisk, and neither of them were actually the “players self inserts” that people thought they were.

Flowey trapped himself in a time loop of his own making, and then got bored of it even though he could’ve just. Stopped resetting ? Unless I’m missing something here this is very funny to me.

Just how many characters are mentioned, but never seen.

How every time a character says something meta that implies they know they’re in a game, it can always be turned into something else, making it very vague. I like vague.

The sign on the Librarby.

In the Genocide route, you’re so far gone that Asgore, a monster that’s been alive for over 100 years with six human SOULs in the very next room, is unable to recognize Frisk as anything human.

Flowey is still Asriel under all that, and while he has indeed gone through a LOT of shit, you can still see that when he’s suddenly so terrified of the person he’s convinced himself is Chara that he feels fear for the first time in who-knows-how-long, after pretty much convincing himself he couldn’t feel anything.

The changes in the Neutral endings!!!!!! I love how many different variations of it there are it’s the best hehehehoo!

The Papyrus phone calls… they’re so hectic and there’s sooo much dialogue it’s amazing

This is moreso speculation than anything concrete, but I really like to think about why Flowey thought Frisk was Chara. Had it really been so long that he’d forgotten them? It’s understandable in Pacifist since he was reeeally going through some shit AND Frisk was wearing all of their stuff, but in Genocide he sees them kill everyone and goes “!!!! Chara!” which. Huh ? I personally like to think he spent so long in that little self-imposed time loop of his that he forgot about how Chara actually was, and deluded himself into believing into them being a bad person, just like he felt he was now, simply based on their last moments alone. Kinda fucked up huh?

#undertale #undertale genocide #just a big list of details about the game i like #should i. shoukd i tag the characters #napstablook #papyrus undertale #frisk undertale #chara undertale #flowey the flower #asgore dreemurr #toriel #undertale neutral ending #undertale ruins #ramblings #ut #undertale speculation #undertale headcanons #undertale theory #i cant tell which is more accurate for that last bulletin point #undertale spoilers

[stainedglassthreads]

I have two different headcanons that I like indulging in when it comes to Flowey's death at the end of No Mercy.

The first is that, while he's pouring his heart out to Chara about how he became like this and how he'd actually be fine with a little house on the surface so long as they're there and how badly he missed them...he's assuming that they're there and listening. But he's wrong.

Perhaps this heartfelt speech would've worked on Chara. But though Chara has helped out this whole time and been present, right now it's 100% Frisk. And Frisk is deeply unamused that while they're threatened and taunted and assaulted, Chara is the only one to get special treatment and even empathy from this flower.

The other headcanon is that it is indeed Chara who deals the killing blow(s) against Flowey. Why, though? Why would they heartlessly kill their own best friend like that? Is it because he's weak, because they consider him a traitor? Because they no longer care from him at all, or desire the LV from the kill?

Or...perhaps there's another reason.

"That power. I know that power. That's the power you were fighting to stop, wasn't it? The power I wanted to use. [...] Well, that's all. See you later...Chara."

"But, you and I are not the same, are we? This SOUL resonates with a strange feeling. There is a reason you continue to recreate this world. There is a reason you continue to destroy it. You. You are wracked with a perverted sentimentality."

Perhaps, after hearing how the best friend they perhaps once idealized fell from grace and turned the world into his plaything, believing himself above consequences...they were just a teeny bit irritated. An eensy, weensy little bit.

#undertale #undertale meta #undertale headcanon #undertale theory #no mercy route #no mercy run #frisk #chara #chara dreemurr #flowey

[the-meme-monarch]

back on my bullshit

and btw strange someone frisk is Every single video of people playing deltarune for the first time and seeing sans and screaming “SANS?!!”

#the art gallery #deltarune #knight chara #strange someone frisk #these theories/aus are not mutually exclusive but well they don’t contradict eachother and also I’m thinking very very hard abt them both