#henry creel theory

[heartsgettingwiser62]

Ok so I think I may be losing my mind over some plastic wrap lmao

But PLEASE look at this and tell me I'm not crazy and this is actually weird:

Karen I'm begging you to explain to me why the fuck do you have 2 plastic wrap packages from different brands UPSIDE DOWN in your kitchen cabinet. PLS.

Is it just me?? Is this completely normal and I'm losing my mind over nothing??? I mean probably but WHY ARE THEY THE ONLY THING THAT'S UPSIDE DOWN AND PLUS THEY'RE COMPLETELY LEGIBLE

So since I've spent the last 3 hours looking at fucking plastic wrap let me share some thoughts:

First of all, to structure this mess in some way, let's look at the dates. First, at the Reynolds Wrap invention date. Bc PLS LOOK AT THIS

Oh. Looks like it was created in 1947. Do you guys wanna know who was also born in 1947??

I. Uh. What the fuck. WHAT THE FUCK.

"It could be a coincidence" Dude I KNOW I'm just doing this bc I've spent hours researching about plastic wrap and I NEED to tell someone ok y'all are my therapists ksjdalkj

Now the Glad Wrap was founded in 1963, and some pages say that Kali was born in 1963, others in 1964, and others that in s2 she's 16/17 so there's no way she was born back then; so idk about this date.

Now let's go with the ads, starting with Glad Wrap bc it's by far the most interesting one.

I've seen multiple commercials but none of them seemed to have anything meaningful EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE WHICH IS MAKING ME ABSOLUTELY LOSE MY MIND:

Am I crazy. Do I seriously need to sleep. Or does that look an awful lot like Karen Wheeler??? Especially here in s4????

I mean, the hairstyle and the blond hair, but much more importantly, the outfit.

Like?????? I mean I get that it's 80's white wealthy woman fashion, fine, but that's a whole load of coincidences???

Now for the rest of the ad, the plastic wrap thingy that attacks the woman is pretty interesting, as well as the clock in the background for Vecna reasons. Regarding similarities with the Wheeler's kitchen, I could only catch due to the low quality the bowl with apples and the phone on the wall (you can't see it on the screenshot but there's a phone behind Mike). I couldn't really find anything about the strawberries, but if y'all know something pls tell me

As a bonus, the ad is from 1987, which as far as I know is when everyone guesses s5 is gonna take place in

Now there's no much to see in the Reynolds Wrap ads, except maybe this one:

(Ignore the yt bar lmao) Although not as much as the previous one, the woman's outfit in that frame does remind me of this Karen s4 look, the same look she has on that scene the damn plastic wrap came from.

Ik this is all probably meaningless, buuuut do you guys want more meaningless shit??

Let's go back to the Glad Wrap ad. The slogan for that specific ad is "Don't get mad. Get glad." Welp, Vecna's a fan of this last word bc out of 9 times it's said in s5, 4 are said by him.

Let's take a quick look at the most interesting time he says that word. We're in Vecna's monologue in chp 7, and in the same scene just some minutes before, he says this:

"I could not do that. I could not close off my mind and join in the madness. I could not pretend. And I realized, I didn't have to."

Let's remember the slogan: "Don't get mad. Get glad."

Then, a couple minutes later, in the same scene:

"And soon, others were born. You were born. And I am so glad you were, Eleven. So very glad."

Now literally two seconds before this last line, this shot was happening:

And. Um. Do you. Do you guys know what's used for tattoos. Um.

Plastic wrap???

Do y'all get why I said I've a hundred percent lost my mind sjdfisdjfil

Ok so. That was it. Anyways I couldn't find anything else important about the rest of items in the kitchen shelve. If y'all have a better explanation as to WHY TF are those plastic wrap packages upside down and perfectly legible, PLS TELL ME. This said, goodbye

#giving a kiss on the forehead to everyone who read this whole thing muac muac ily #dude i was making an actual interesting post till i noticed the fucking plastic wrap and now i can't even remember what i was doing lol #byler #<<<target audience #stranger things theory #stranger things #henry creel #vecna #martin brenner #stranger things analysis #stranger things set design #set design #mike wheeler #karen wheeler #henry creel theory #karen wheeler theory #001

[will80sbyers]

crazy theory time!

In this scene Mrs. Driscoll was already possessed by Vecna and she put toxic stuff in that glass of Lemonade, but Nancy didn't drink that! She puts it down, and we hear the sound of her putting down the glass.

and maybe one little hint about this was the fact that previously she said that she liked the quiet, but then she told Nancy that she enjoyed the company of people in the other scene!

In the first scene she was herself

so what if it was Henry saying to Nancy

'' You're quite a regular little detective, aren't ya?''

because she was messing with his plan and he was pissed about that, and that's also why he sends the monster to kill her first because she's the first to disturb his plan in season 3

#stranger things #byler #nancy wheeler #henry creel #vecna #crazy theory of the day lmao #mrs driscoll

[erikiara80]

About Will

Last year the Duffers said that in S5 Will takes center stage again, and now they're even telling us how the season starts, with the flashback of Will in the UD. That's why I think the reveals about him should be huge, like the ones about Henry and El in S4.

This makes me happy. Will and his story are my favorite thing, and I have so many questions.

Was Will really just in the wrong place at the wrong time, a random victim who later became the brother of Vecna's actual target, Eleven?

Maybe. But I'll be honest, I think this would be disappointing. Most of the audience already believes that. All these years, all the mystery surrounding Will, and in the end it was just to hide Vecna, who was introduced in S4, so when we see S5 it's not even a plot twist anymore? Hm.

There could be an interesting parallel with Henry winding up in Dimension X tho. Wrong place at the wrong time. But Henry developed powers. What about Will, who ended up in the UD? Also, if he was just in the wrong place, why did they make his abduction so different from all the other attacks? It's just because it was the first one and they wanted it to be cool? Again, disappointing, imo. And if the reason was just "make the scene cool", I don't know why in other seasons they kept making parallels between the Demogorgon opening the Byers' door, something it only does in 1x01, and El opening a LOT of doors with telekinesis.

I think it's more likely that Will's flashbacks in S5 will be like El's flashbacks in S4. They made us believe that Eleven killed all the other numbers, only to reveal later that it's not what really happened. I expect something like that for Will too. Maybe at first, everything seems to confirm that he was just a random victim, and then we find out that it's not true. Or he was a random victim, but then, like Henry, he developed psychic abilities.

Speaking of that

Does Will have powers or not?

I am a Will-has-powers truther, this is not a mystery lol. But does it make sense in the story? (some thoughts here) Does he have powers like Harry Potter, or the Turtle (here), or Bastian, or he's like Peter Bishop, Marty McFly and Frodo Baggins? Noah said that Will's superpower is his heart, but you know, you can have that and also powers. Plus, in S4 they connect the concept of time travel to emotions, so if there's a timeloop or something like that, and Will's name is on the grandfather clock...

Maybe his abilities are different from anything we've seen. Maybe something more connected to the UD. I'm just saying, why making him a wizard/cleric, if he's just a normal kid?

For example, they never really explained why he's still so connected to Vecna and, I suspect, the UD (because he is also like Radagast, and the kid in Poltergeist, who gets kidnapped because of her powers) Yes, Max seems to have answered that question: when Vecna makes a psychic connection, you are marked. In fact, at some point she even says that she can still feel him. But when she's in his mind lair, she doesn't feel his thoughts. She says that he was surprised and didn't want her there... but he actually says that. Also, they would really answer the questions about the big mystery of Will's connection to Vecna like that, when he's not even the focus of the scene?

That's why I think the answer is more complex for him. Max can't feel Vecna's thoughts or feelings, Will can, like Harry can feel Voldemort. Could the reason be that he was connected to the hive mind? We can't be sure, he's the only one who survived a possession. There are no particles left in his body (as far as we know) or he would've died in S2. So, why is the connection still there and so strong, that the moment he's back in Hawkins, he can feel that Vecna is hurting and wants to destroy everything?

Why in S2 Will knows that the evil wants to kill everyone but him? And why would Vecna/Mind Flayer want to kill everyone but a random kid with no powers, whose only ability was to hide from a monster for a week? Henry Creel considered all the lab kids, people with powers, inferior to himself and Eleven, but for some reason he wanted a sensitive child who's just good at hiding? It doesn't make sense to me.

In the game, they seem to give us the answer. Well, they don't explain if Will was just in the wrong place at the wrong time on Nov 6, but they say that the reason he is the key and Vecna wants him, is that he wants to use him to find Eleven.

Ok

If this is true... Henry/Vecna needed Eleven to open a door, so he makes her make a psychic contact with a Demogorgon. When the gate opens, he lets the creature kidnap/kill random people. Then realizes that he can find Eleven, if he uses the only victim he is letting hide in the UD because, reasons. But when she finally is in the void with Will, instead of killing her, he interrupts the contact with Will, goes to Castle Byers, takes him to the library, and impregnates him with a little Demogorgon. And then? What would've happened if Joyce hadn't found Will? We still don't know if the tendril was killing him or giving him oxigen, like the facehugger does in Alien (the parallel with Sarah could be a hint tho), because we don't know what happened to Barb. If she died in the pool and then was taken to the library, or if it's the tendril that killed her.

If Will was actually dying, then the answer in the game doesn't make sense. If Vecna just wants to use him to find and kill Eleven, he wouldn't have tried to kill him. Unless that whole process was supposed to turn Will into Zombie Boy, a creature of the UD, similar to Vecna, who could find Eleven. That's a bit complicated, tho.

Not to mention the whole possession in S2. Again, let's say that Vecna didn't want to kill Will in the library, but just turn him into a monster. He failed. So, when Will is home, he makes him have visions, then possesses him, with the intent of killing everyone but him. Because he wants him to find and spy Eleven. But in the 1959 flashback, in TFS, and in the game, we see that Henry can read any mind. So, sorry but why does he need Will, specifically, to find Eleven?

Also, if the particles can just possess you in a vision and then appear in our world, why didn't they possess more people? Easier to find El, and even if you lose Will, you still have the others. It's what the Mind Flayer does in S3. The big difference? In S3 the particles are already in our world.

So I wonder if Will is the only one Vecna/Mind Flayer can possess like that, because they were already connected before the possession

Ok, in S3, the Mind Flayer takes a guy named William because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And then he uses him to build a monster that finds Eleven and takes her powers. So, maybe the 'wrong place, wrong time' is true, but the rest... is interesting. Jonathan says that they built Castle Byers the way Will drew it, and MindFlayer!Billy tells Billy to build what he sees. Also interesting that there are two Billies. It reminds me of If I go there will be trouble, and if I stay it will be double (different timelines, twin imagery, Henry and Edward, Richard and Martin. And Will and Eleven?)

So, my theory is that Will and El are more connected than it seems, and that's why Vecna needs Will. And maybe he is also using him to "build" his army, and make the UD spread? I don't know.

But for all these reasons, I think it would make more sense if Will wasn't just a random victim, or at least he's developed some ability.

Will has parallels with Cerebro (here) and Nancy says that the lights came to life when he was in the UD, a parallel to what Steve says in S3, (Let there be light) after Will senses the Mind Flayer for the first time at the mall. When he's watching a zombie movie. There's also that beautiful theory (I don't remember who posted it, sorry) about Will being connected to the light particles and using them to destroy the black particles of the Mind Flayer.

Light particles that look like fairy dust -> Will being called fairy. Lights that come to life -> a battery

I think I've found some big hint that this theory might be correct. Anyway, it seems that Will is connected to the very existence of the UD. Not saying he created it, but if lights came to life when he was there, maybe if they interrupt the connection, that place, whatever it is, will cease to exist.

#st s5 spoilers #st s5 #will byers #will has powers #el hopper #henry creel #the first shadow spoilers #st: tfs #st s5 theory #st vecna #st analysis #st parallels #stranger things

[michaelinprogress]

St5 THEORY: VECNA/001/HENRY AND WILL

I think Vecna is going to present himself as Henry to Will for the first time they interact/talk face to face.

From this point, Vecna hasn’t even really spoken to Will. Not in a way that actually revealed himself to Will, anyway. He manifested as thoughts in Will’s mind, but Will had no way to know that it was a person who stalked and hunted him down. He thought he was being possessed by creatures, but all this time, it was a man.

Someone just like him.

We already know that El and Will are extremely similar and have insane parallels, and Henry tried to appeal to El with his similarity to her

So I think Henry is going to present himself to Will as human in a vision of some sorts, and force Will to realize just how similar they are. Their empathy, their sensitivity, their jealousy and inner sense of Justice. They just have so much in common. He will try to make Will falter and join his side.

I cannot wait to see them finally meet!!! And have a big show down!!!!

Anyone else have any thoughts on the Will and Vecna meeting scene!?

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[fromaliminalspace]

potential symbolism of Eddie's tattoos and other details that may or may not be Kas!Eddie foreshadowing

#eddiemunsonedit #stedit #strangerthingsedit #kas theory #eddie munson #kas the bloody handed #kas!eddie #vampire eddie munson #hawkinslibrary #jqedit #netflixedit #tvedit #stranger things #cw spiders #cw flashing gif #Liam's stuff #Liam whispers into the void #henry creel #steve harrington #dustin henderson #max mayfield #erica sinclair #nancy wheeler #mike wheeler #eddiemunsonsource #gif #can't believe this gifset is finally done #took forever but was really really fun to make at least #anyway my point is this is too many coincidences for the kas theory to be proven wrong. so yeah. fingers crossed

[gayofthefae]

EXCUSE ME?

The name Hawkins refers to a descendant of "Henry". Right. Yeah. Of course. Of course it fucking does.

[image id: A Google question textbox

"Why is Hawkins called Hawkins?

The origin of the Hawkins surname is thought to be England. Most often, the name is patronymic and relates to someone who is the son or descendant of a 'Henry' or 'Harry', through the diminutive form of these names 'Hal'. Less commonly, it may refer to someone who comes originally from the town of Hawkinge in Kent." end id]

#stranger things #henry creel #stranger things theory #WHAT THE FUCK #eating my toes like im israel hands #names #stranger things meta

[henrysglock]

Mother is God, In The Eyes of a Child

This has got to be my farthest-fetched theory, and its more of a collection of observations that weave together than an actual theory. However...there's something distinctly weird about all this.

It started here:

Max steps on spider egg sacs in Vecna's mind lair, and the babies spill out.

"If there's a spider, you're never gonna find it 'till it lays eggs and the babies spill out"

Then Vecna killing Patrick while looking distinctly like a spider on a web, a direct comparison to those black widows.

And I talked in the discord chat talking with Em for a while like. They. They wouldn't. Right? And I've been sitting here thinking about the last time I said "they wouldn't...right?" So here we go.

"Of course you have a mother. You couldn't really have been born without one."

But Mama is dead...

just like One doesn't exist.

And whoever you are, either you aren't home (which, you're "Terry's daughter" in Terry's home which was decorated for you in hopes that you'd come home 🤨)...or you aren't Terry's daughter.

but wait: Mr. Mom? Perfect!

Mr. Mom...which leads straight to the lab going haywire:

Because of the Mind Flayer, who we know is (most likely) a version of Edward.

And "sleepyhead" is a parent thing...but it's specifically a mom thing, and it comes from the guy who's likely Edward. Why are you, as a man, so distinctly mother?

And so I'm looking at all of his God coding:

And I'm looking at his talk of spiders, particularly black widows, being the gods of our world:

There's also this particular dialogue parallel with Carrie's mother:

As well as Black Widow "God of Our World" 001 and Henry "Sensitive (Gay) Child" Creel, framed this way in back to back shots.

One of them has the rainbow flag and the other's got the black widow spider, makes sense...right? (Sure. Except not really.)

He also has a ton of God coding in his music choices:

Except, when we look at the songs he alone or he and El are overlaid with...Akhnaten is functionally a mezzo-soprano. In the pieces we hear specifically, Akhnaten sings in the same range or higher than Nefertiti.

Which then gets me thinking about the Silent Hill parallels (that Em has talked about here), and specifically this one line of dialogue from Dahlia:

And the fact that every single black widow spider reference regarding Henward/Vecna/001 has been about female black widows, never male ones:

As well as a good portion of his rant being about:

- Being vaguely broken (what's wrong with him is never said) - His kinship with spiders (specifically the female black widows) - Society's oppressive made-up rules - Being forced to pretend (unspecificed as to what, exactly, he's pretending about...all we get is "a silly, terrible play") - Reproduction

Then the fact that Vecna kind of has a thing for showing up as mothers:

And on top of all that...the fact that Vecna somehow lost his dick along the way. Where did it go????????

There's also all the birthing and reproduction imagery that goes along with the UD, most blatantly in the scene where El crawls out of the same hole the Demogorgon came through:

As well as these movies from the ST4 Movie Board:

Ace Ventura Pet Detective: Finkle has a sex change to assume a new identity and seek vengeance.

Let The Right One In: Vampire girl who is really a boy being forced to live as a girl

Sleepaway Camp: Girl named Angela who is actually a boy named Peter being forced by his aunt to live as a girl after his twin sister (the real Angela) was killed in an accident. (Wibble knows more about this one than I do, but I'm staring at Peter Ballard and all of our Angela's parallels to the lab)

Splice: Female Human-Animal hybrid "dies" (is actually in a coma) and undergoes a spontaneous sex change to male and proceeds to go berserk.

Silence of the Lambs: Main villain is a blonde, wavy-haired cross-dressing serial killer.

And then with the parallels to Room (even if it isn't on the ST4 Movie Board):

Plus Will's Alan Turing poster and the castration stuff that goes along with that..and the "Henry" that shows up behind him:

What in the gender is going on here?

#martin brenner. what did you DO. #he wanted more. and soon...you were born. #henry creel #edward creel #henry/vecna/001 #edward/vecna/001 #st theory #stranger things theory #stranger things

[bigdumbbambieyes]

creelson

just like a lamb, i'll trust you in the still heat // sucking the finger of the butcher who'll kill me

feat. kas!eddie, power imbalance, obsession, blood play, sharp vampire kisses, all types of worship, poisoned mind, revenge

#creelson #eddie munson #henry creel #lowkey based off my S5 theory kfnfkf #this is for my creelson babes 🫶 #bambiboard #images from pinterest

[pinkeoni]

El's Superhero/Monster Dichotomy

El's monster conflict starts in season one, when she blames herself for the gate opening and for Will's disappearance.

This conflict seems to be "resolved" when she kills the actual monster, the demogorgon, making herself a hero and not a monster. This is even suggested earlier by Mike, who innocently tells El that she isn't the monster because she saved him.

Although this "resolve" is actually quite tragic. She proves herself to be a hero which does offer a conclusion to this conflict within this season, but she sacrifices everything for this.

This conflict comes back in full for El in season four. She no longer has her powers, and she's in a new environment where she's alienated and bullied. On top of everything, her boyfriend can't even say "I love you" to her. It's not a stretch to say that she feels monstrous.

This is only reaffirmed for El after her incident with Angela. Now, obviously this wasn't a good thing for her to do, but El also completely disregards all of the pain that Angela made her feel, perceiving herself as this violent monster who attacks innocent girls unprovoked. We know this is what she's thinking when she says as much to the cops.

I don’t think El wanted to kill Angela, which is why she says “I don’t know,” but she’s unsure because she’s unable to trust her own judgement. At this point she sees herself as a killing machine, so she must have wanted to kill Angela, even if that goes against her true reasoning.

Now, of course we the audience know that El isn't the monster, and everyone close to her knows this as well. But what matters isn't how others perceive her, it matters how El perceives herself.

Her argument with Mike doesn't absolve any of her feelings either, which is of no fault to either Mike nor El. El was too in her head and it wasn't something anyone could talk her out of, and she also wasn't aware of Mike's own internal conflict which was informing all of his responses. Mike can't say "I love you" to El because of his own issues, but to El, he can't say "I love you" because she is an unlovable monster.

Mike really means well when he says "You're a superhero," but it makes things much worse in El's mind. Instead, it creates an unreasonable expectation—

El believes that if she can't save the world, then she must be a monster. She doesn't allow herself to be neither— a human being.

NINA doesn't do much to alleviate El's dichotomous thinking, if anything it only encourages it. She only shifts the monster label on to someone else, that being Papa, and since she wasn't responsible for the massacre like she, and even the audience was led to initially believe, she's able to cleanly reclaim her superhero status. She was the one who defeated the perpetrator, in a moment that visually echoes the end of season one. She's the hero again!

She marches into her battle with Henry with a new sense of high confidence. And she loses.

This isn't El's fault, but she blames herself for Max's condition anyway. Will points out that Max wouldn't even be alive if not for El, but it doesn't matter for her.

To El, getting her powers back doesn't make her a superhero. And if she's not a superhero, well, then she must be the one who destroyed the world.

The resolve of El's conflict wasn't to get her powers back, she just believed that it would fix her problems. But the core conflict is still there— her black and white way of thinking.

So what does this mean moving forward?

Ironically, I think that El can actually learn something from Henry:

I don't think that El's arc in the coming season is going to be about becoming the hero again, but rather unlearning this train of thought. The world isn't made of monsters and superheroes, the world is made up of human beings who all make choices, her being one of them. She isn't responsible for the decisions of others, and it isn't her responsibility to take care of the mess that others create. She's a brave girl who decided to use her powers to try and save her friends, and her failure doesn't make her guilty for the fallout.

I wouldn't be surprised if El pushes herself to be the superhero who saves the world once again, although, the show has already revealed to us what happens when she does— it destroys her.

#stranger things #stranger things analysis #my analysis #el hopper #eleven stranger things #henry creel #mike wheeler #jane hopper #will byers #ive had this thought for a while but i finally found a way to articulate it #excited avout this one #byler #<- target audience #stranger things theory #my theory

[demobatman]

inspired. thank you @miwism

#edit: This is Not Ship Art. #speaks for itself #im going to bed #my art #stranger things #eddie munson #stranger things season 4 #vecna #henry creel #001 #stranger things fanart #kas the bloody handed #kas!eddie #kas theory

[thegayhimbo]

Stranger Things Theory:

This is primarily going off the titles that were dropped recently: The Vanishing of ***** Wheeler and Escape from Camazotz.

I took note yesterday that Camazotz is the name of a planet in the novel A Wrinkle in Time. It's a world controlled by the main antagonist IT, a malicious brain that subjugates the inhabitants to its will, similar to how Vecna/The Mind Flayer uses the hive mind to control the monsters of the Upside Down.

In the novel, Meg Murray (the protagonist) has her father go missing while working on a scientific concept called a tesseract. It's later revealed he's being held prisoner on Camazotz, and (with the help of Mrs. Whatsit, Mrs. Who, and Mrs. Witch) Meg undertakes a journey with her brother Charles Wallace and her love interest Calvin to rescue her father.

Now, in regards to the title referring to a Wheeler vanishing, there is a possibility it could refer to Nancy or Holly, or even Karen, just based on the number of asterisks. However, this number could also be misleading, and it might actually be referring to Mike (I seriously doubt it's Ted).

What if Vecna somehow takes Mike prisoner to a Camazotz-like location (either in the Upside Down, or a different location that will be revealed in S5 as Camazotz) as a means of luring both Will and El into a trap to either kill them or enslave them? The journey both characters could undertake to rescue Mike could have parallels to the journey Meg undertakes to rescue her dad (and later to rescue Charles Wallace when he falls under ITs influence).

Maybe the Duffer Brothers plan to use parts of the novel as a blueprint for S5's story? It's always a possibility.

#stranger things #st5 spoilers #st5 theories #stranger things 5 #stranger things season 5 #mike wheeler #will byers #el hopper #vecna #henry creel #number 1 #a wrinkle in time #camazotz #tgh opinions #the duffer brothers #the mind flayer

[bebx]

no but wait. okay, okay, listen… what if, what if the Soteria wasn’t just used for suppressing Henry’s powers but what if it was also used to protect Henry from some other thing that possessed him — when he still lived in the Creel House with his family — and made him kill his mother and his sister back then? so the second Eleven removed the Soteria from him, that thing (whatever it was) was able to reach Henry again. and that’s why Henry went from ‘the friendly orderly’ to a murderer. and maybe Henry doesn’t even know he’s been possessed all this time? what if….

not saying the theory’s true but if it is, this deleted scene where Henry just sat like this, looking weirdly vulnerable (and lost?) after the massacre, would make so much sense. because he wouldn’t know what happened, what he just did. did it happen again? (after he killed Alice and Virginia). Jamie said something about this scene once during a comic con that he didn’t have any dialogue here and was told to just ‘crawl around’ looking creepy? I’m not sure if I remember the crawling around part correctly because I don’t currently have the video of when he said it (but it’s out there somewhere, you might’ve seen it or even have it). but I think he said they decided not to include the scene in the final cut because it was ‘too creepy’. but what if the actual reason they deleted it is because they thought if fans really saw what’s going on in the scene, it might be too obvious that Henry wasn’t himself? listen, I’m just guessing here. could he have done all of these on his own free will once the Soteria’s removed from his neck? of course. could I be wrong? yes. but my point is; who knows.

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[bylerbrainrot]

jamie campbell bower presenting his will byers mind map and his alpha omega theory to the duffers

#jamie campbell bower #byler tumblr #001 #011 #henry creel #peter ballard #stranger things #stranger things meme #stranger things theory #st4 #he’s a theorist lmao #will byers #eleven hopper #millie bobby brown #noah schnapp

[aurorabyler]

Will Byers Has the Power Vecna Needs to Deal With What he Hates Most: Time Itself

hold on. just had a thought regarding will and vecna’s connection.

so in vecna’s ep7 monologue, he talks a lot about the oppressive nature of time—a social construct. he interprets time as the “villain” of humanity, forcing us to conform to mundane lives.

“Where some saw order, I saw a straight jacket. A cruel, oppressive word dictated by made up rules. Seconds minutes hours days weeks months years decades. Each life a faded lesser copy of the one before. Wake up eat work sleep reproduce and die. Everyone is just waiting. Waiting for it all to be over.” —vecna/henry/001, 4x07

many have theorized that will was specifically targeted because of his parallels to vecna. both described as sensitive children, both draw, and specifically draw the mind flayer, both don’t fit in with other children, etc. this is all widely discussed.

however, vecna’s motivations for targeting will and ensuring that he lives while the others like barb die is really up to speculation and theory. does will have powers? does he perhaps have a soteria implant in his neck, just like henry? does vecna want to use will in some way or get him to join him? WHY though? what purpose does will serve to him? vecna says that he has been BUILDING something. if will is the key to season 5, will MUST HAVE a deeper role in this world vecna is trying to build.

perhaps, vecna saw not only his similarities with will, which is why he was targeted, but saw that will possessed the power to manipulate exactly the aspect of life that he so despised: time itself. perhaps, vecna did initially plan to kill will in the upside down, but once he saw that time froze the moment was transported there, he thought twice. he could obviously see into will’s mind and analyze his past and similarities, but combine that with will’s ability to rid the world of the thing vecna hates most—time—well, that does not sound like someone vecna would want to kill.

perhaps this is the true reason will was kept alive in the upside down, and the key point that will make him the main character in season 5.

vecna was unsuccessful with getting el to join him back in 1979. when she opened the gate, he knew that he would need someone to join him to achieve his goals. maybe by accident, maybe on purpose, he chose will and saw that he had the very power he needed to carry out his master plan.

that is why will was possessed by the mind flayer. that is why will is so important to vecna.

another thing to note is that will HAS BEEN A VICTIM of the oppressive nature of time all throughout stranger things. his childhood was taken from him by supernatural forces, and the moment he is somewhat free of those forces, his friends abandon him for “grown up” things. will is a victim of time moving too fast and leaving him with so much heartbreak (enter: seasons 3 and 4).

#byler #stranger things #stranger things 4 #will byers #st4 #vecna #stranger things theory #stranger things 5 #henry creel #001 #001 stranger things #will byers has powers

[interstellar-wanderer]

Reminder that in the very first episode of Stranger Things, we see this, which is supposed to be the silhouette of a Demogorgon.

This scene is right before when Will goes out of the road and falls from his bike.

Then we have this scene, when Will arrives home and stares out of the window, which is another silhouette of the Demogorgon, right?

THEN, the chain in the front door magically moves, this to unlock the door, which requires obvious telekinesis abilities, something a Demogorgon doesn’t have at all.

But we didn’t know this back then, right? but we know it now, and we also know who might have been behind this all along.

#will byers #stranger things #stranger things season 1 #stranger things 1x01 #stranger things spoilers #stranger things season 4 #vecna #peter ballard #henry creel #stranger things theory

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Henry Creel & Eddie Munson: parallels

#eddiemunsonedit #josephquinnedit #jcbedit #stedit #strangerthingsedit #eddie munson #henry creel #vecna #stranger things parallels #kas theory #stranger things 4 #joseph quinn #jamie campbell bower #dustin henderson #max maxfield #el hopper #victor creel #jason carver #stranger things #Liam's stuff #Liam whispers into the void #gif #cw eye gore #just in case. bc of victor #cw eye strain #bc of baby henry's shirt that turned out really weird and almost glitching for some reason #well. hopefully the whole idea will make at least some sense outside of my head! #where it's been brewing ever since vol.ii and interweaving with the kas theory #to the point of me also starting a fic exploring all the suspicious coincidences which there are even more of that i can show in one gifset #though i kinda considered adding the parallel of henry framing his father for his murders and hawkins laying the blame for them on eddie