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[lopposting]

Some more Lies of P translation notes!

Some cool translation details that I thought were fun that didn't fit anywhere else.

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[Spoilers]

In the Korean version, Geppetto is speaking an "old-fashioned"/archaic form of Korean to reflect the time period that the game is set in

Set around the turn of the century (late 1800s), mimicking the Belle Époque of France's industrial revolution, we can guess that the game's events take place during the late 1800s. Given Geppetto's status as "old geezer", we can guess that he's closer to 100 than not, so he would have been born around the early 1800s. I might not be completely accurate - basically, he's speaking as an elderly person might speak in current time to culturally reflect his age; other times I notice he's using some words that are now out of use.

From the game's initial trailer:

깨어나거라, 아들아. 이제 이 아비를 기쁘게 해다오. Wake up, son. Make this father happy/proud.

The word he uses for "father" is "Abi" (아비), which is an archaic word for "father". In current day, korean speakers would generally use "Abeoji" (아버지).

The -gura(거라)/-DaOh(다오) conjugation is also an additional syllable that has since fallen out of use, or is considered archaic, in current korean:

아들아, 네 심장을 다오. Son, give me your heart.

하지만 알아 다오, 나는 너도 사랑했단다. But know this, I loved you too. English VA version: In my own way, I grew to love you.

This is also apparent in Geppetto's final letter at the end:

우릴 방해할 자는 이제 없을 거란다. 너를 위한 크라트를 다시 만들어주마. (-juma, Supposedly, only a "superior" speaker can use -juma) 그때까지 호텔에 조심해서 머물러 다오. 너를 누구보다도 아끼는 아버지가.

He also uses the -Oh ending again. (although he does call himself "Abeoji" 아버지 here and not "abi" like the trailer. He uses "Abi" again in another instance when responding to a guesture)

It's a very cool detail to me. I think it's a bit missed opportunity that, as far as I know, the english version doesn't seem to reflect this! Although to be fair, I'm struggling to imagine how they would. 19th century english/french maybe isn't as different or isn't different in the same ways from "modern" english that 19th century Korean would be from "modern" Korean. [Well, my only education on this stuff is from watching episodes of Dae Jang Geum]. I haven't checked to see if any other character (like Antonia) speaks this way. [Pls message me if Geppetto also speaks like this in your or any other language version!!]

Lies of P, Blood, puns, and the P-Organ

The P-Organ, in Korean, is referred to as the P기관. 기관 (gi-gwan), however, doesn't necessarily correlate directly to the word "Organ": It's quite an interesting word to choose because it can refer to any system of moving parts, both organic or mechanical; and it can mean an organ, a machine, or even a governmental body or institute.

As you may have heard by now, the game's titular pun revolves around the fact that the english character for P sounds the word for "blood" in korean (피), making the title (P의 거짓 P-ie Geojit?) read like Lies of Blood, in a nutshell. The title Lies of Blood then fits into the becoming-real flesh-and-blood themes of the game, perhaps also suggests that the deception in Krat has cost the lives of many - and, of course, references the lying of the titular character, who is inferred to be none other than (P)inocchio! So, in Korean, the P-Organ (P기관) becomes something like the Blood Engine. Which rather sounds like a euphemism for a heart!

[Perhaps: It's also a bit of narrative that Geppetto refuses to refer to it as our heart, unless he refers to it as belonging to Carlo.]

In English, this wordplay no longer exists, and so it's rather awkwardly literally translated (as the P-Organ).

How do you say, "NEOWIZ"?

I've seen a few people ask about the pronunciation of NEOWIZ (Lies' publishing company). Hangul is phonetic, so you could (technically) say the official pronunciation of NEOWIZ (네오위즈) is Nae-Oh Wiz and not Neo (like the Matrix character) -wiz.

However [in my opinion], I don't think this matters, because when something is translated to another language, it often takes the pronunciation of the language it is read in. Kind of like how in english you would read the capital of France correctly as Paris (with an S sound at the end), and not "Pari" (french pronunciation).

Also, Krat is consistently pronounced by in-game characters as "Krot" (Long O, rhymes with "Cot" or "Not") in the english version. In the game korean releases, "Krat" is written as 크라트, which would be pronounced and read as "Krat" (short A, rhymes with "Rat" or "Cat").

[I think the devs also say "Krat" too. The rounder "O" pronunciation of "A" in words seem like more of a European pronunciation in general]

The "Youngest of the Black Rabbit Brotherhood" and Gender

In Korean culture, Age is particularly significant in both Korean social hierarchy and language, and the role/position of being the youngest in a group is a particular role known as being the "maknae" (I mean, I definitely think this also exists in the western world, people definitely would understand being the "youngest" one in your family, but it's slightly different from that).

Despite being a member of the brotherhood, she refers to her brothers as "Oppa", which is when the word "brother" is used by female speakers to an older male subject (Remember Gangnam style?) [A male speaker would use "Hyung". I debated putting this one in, because to me, it seemed kind of obvious, but I did see others asking about this.]

[Given that the developers are from a korean studio, I am choosing to believe that the subtitles provided by the game's "korean" version are the text/script as originally written intended by the developers!]

#lies of p #liesofp #lop #thanks for reading #I hope ppl enjoyed #im not sure how interesting this is to other ppl!! but its neato to me #translation #translations #localization #korean #spoilers #lies of p spoilers #p machine p engine p system... all of it sounds worse lol #neowiz #also... maybe geppetto being the only one speaking in that archaic way shows that he is stuck in the past? idk

[pineapplesaresweet]

sorry guys i think ill be a totk fanblog for a couple of days

#i art #fanart #totk #totk spoilers #i guess??? its nothing to do with the story this is just a piece of clothing i found an d #im being safe here. some people may want to have absolutrely NO SPOILERs and that can include new clothing lol #tears of the kingdom #tears of the kingdom fanart #tloz #tloz fanart #tloz totk #link fanart #link tolz #link totk #btw the shirt is called “frostbite shirt” and can be found in a cave found between rito village and snowfield stable :) #the pants are just archaic warm greaves

[alexanderpearce]

tag yourself are you (obsolete) (archaic) (dated) (vulgar) (slang) (UK) (humorous) (informal) (derogatory) (Australia)

#im (archaic) #and (australia) i GUESS #can you tell i spend hours upon hours upon hours on wiktionary #shut up ulrike #language #etymology #popular

[alteredsilicone]

why can you use transference on necramechs... they predated warframes but they're not warframe replacements

waddahell

is it because they have "sentient pulse disablers" which probably are void related (since otherwise sentients would have easily adapted to something technological)

honestly if i start thinking about necramechs my brain is gonna break

#wf tag #warframe is a bit iffy on what counts advanced enough for sentients to adapt to lmfao #tenno are void powered biomechs which is why they are direct counters #grineer use archaic ballistic weapons so sentients cant adapt to that #corpus logically should be the most vulnerable #as were orokin #so im just scratching my head here #what is the cutoff for technical complexity that the sentients start adapting to #also why is it something technically complex specifically #why am i asking warframe lore questions #need to draw more old man yaoi and think less

[ominous-semicolons]

if anyone else has a better translation lmk but raikas intro voice is something like

"i'm called houjou raika, and i am an insignificant idol. though i'm a half-wit fool beyond the realms of song, sakuma-sama told me that an idol's work is one where you can do whatever you like, so i'll try my hardest! i know little of the world, so i don't really understand this... audition? thing? but i'd be glad if you would listen to my singing ♪"

listen to it here https://ensemble-stars.jp/characters/hojo_raika/ his voice actors pretty new and did a damn great job of it

#ensemble stars #enstars #houjou raika #officially declaring myself a raikaP #he speaks in a weird kinda mix of what im PRETTY sure is archaic japanese and sorta-informality?? #really hard to translate #im not translating the rest of these btw my japanese skills are Not Good #got a pet theory that hes either part of some sakuma branch family or a related werewolf-y family #w the red eyes and fangs and all that #anyway reminder to be normal abt this guy hes 14

[lesbiangiratina]

#i like theyre like jeff the killer for nonbinary people. #kind of so cute really #they tell you to close your eyes for eternity in 1 of their ac seventh sign lines… #in xx and strive 1 of their intros is like… ‘drown in slumber’… #very consistent… jeff They killer… #also if i wasnt so sleepy id put a blanket on them or somethint. their tummy is going to get cold. #but ehe um fun fact in the ac line they use an archaic/poetic term for eternity :) i like it when they say things like that. #im awake enough for trivia. but also goodnight. #the kat goes meow #testament tag

[neatokeanosocks]

You ever thought about how the statues of the great seven look like they might be... missing something?

How about this, have you ever thought about how each dorm is dedicated to one of the seven, but Ramshackle used to be a fully-fledged dorm, and it has nobody?

Well, what if I told you that there's a classic disney villain that everyone forgets, and it seems like he's been forgotten in Twisted Wonderland as well?

I'm talking about Chernabog from the Night On Bald Mountain segment of Fantasia (1940)

Never heard of this guy? Well, that makes sense. Night On Bald Mountain is barely a dozen minutes long (and difficult to market because Chernabog is literally a devil that summons ghosts and demons on Walpurgis Night.)

Let's look at some evidence!

Ramshackle dorm's interior wallpaper are primarily of a dark greenish-blue color. Most scenes from Night On Bald Mountain are greenish-blue and black. The color scheme fits.

Chernabog is notable for commanding ghosts and drawing them from their graveyards. You know what Ramshackle is full of? Ghosts! You know what Ramshackle's only lawn decorations are? Graves!

Only a few trees show up in Night On Bald Mountain, but they're all creepy and shaped similarly to the trees on Ramshackle's lawn.

All the buildings in Night On Bald Mountain are exaggerated pointy shapes, with many spires. That's also evident in Ramshackle's architecture!

Chernabog is notable for commanding ghosts and drawing them from their graveyards. You know what Ramshackle is full of? Ghosts! You know what Ramshackle's only lawn decorations are? Graves!

Only a few trees show up in Night On Bald Mountain, but they're all creepy and shaped similarly to the trees on Ramshackle's lawn.

All the buildings in Night On Bald Mountain are exaggerated pointy shapes, with many spires. That's also evident in Ramshackle's architecture!

As for why Ramshackle isn't tied to Chernabog now, and why he's not lined up with the seven greats, I think he just faded out of favor after everyone realized that arsenic-dyed wallpaper was a horrible idea and the dorm was condemned (but no one ever got around to demolishing it...)

So when somebody accidentally smashed his statue during a game of magical ultimate frisbee (it's a highschool, it happens), nobody replaced it, and so now there's a weird gap next to the King of Beasts.

There's something else I want to mention...

Chernabog is a demon that looks like this and controls fire of various colors, including blue.

Does that possibly... remind you of anyone?

#yeah yeah i know. the MC's bedroom is based on Thru The Looking Glass (1936) and also we see mickey in the mirror #well maybe i hate mickey mouse. maybe i think chernabog is cool. you dont write my checks #also i've noticed that people hypothesize that Grim's name is a reference to the brothers Grimm #Have you considered... his full name might be Grimalkin? like the archaic word for cat? #shitpost #i dont play this game im just 3/8ths of a way through a lets play and i have OPINIONS #theory #twisted wonderland #this is the 2nd time i've walked into a fandom and said #'hey anyone else think this tiny lil gremlin might be related to a huge evil demon?' #ramshackle dorm

[danielsbackupglasses]

I need everyone to look at him. Oh my god he is beautiful he is perfect

Boeotian rhyton - archaic period 600 BC

#archaeology #ancient greece #rhyton #archaic #IM SO OBSESSED WITH HIM OH #gods. #just a little guy #a little precious guy

[savage-rhi]

💙

#I am not gonna let what happened take away my passion and innate desire to help people because I can't ignore that #if I learned to trust humans before I can re-learn and give people a chance again #Just because I've had a bad streak of dealing with people who see me as less than were abusive or otherwise #doesn't mean that everyone is a heartless bastard wanting to set me up to fail or want to personally hurt me #I am not gonna stoop to the level of those who have hurt me #whether they fucking like it or not I'm gonna be a therapist #I'm already a PSS they can't take that from me #I'm gonna be my authentic self I am not going to change my mold for anybody not for these dated policies and archaic fucking beliefs #that are designed to keep people sick and trapped #I can't save everyone I can't click with everybody but damn it I'm gonna fucking try and be present for people that don't have support #even if people hate me for whatever damn reasons they have cause everybody deserves a shot #may everything that has already been done to me be given back to by those that dealt it #I'm gonna wrap up my finals for this week and then open up my kofi shop for business #i still don't know wtf im gonna do to survive but im laying out the stones #thank you to everyone that has and continues to check in on me i love you a lot

[bonestrouslingbones]

yes im scrolling through the ooc tag for atbb instead of working on ebony. anyway its so fucked up seeing strawpolls to choose characters' names. even more fucked up to click on those links and discover that apparently strawpoll is straight up dead now

#THOSE DAYS WERE ARCHAIC MAN. IN THE TRENCHES AND FOR WHAT #4 YEARS AGO...........WHAT DO YOU MEAN. BUT THAT WAS 2020. ATBB STARTED IN 2018. OH IM COUGHING UP BLOOD NOW OK

[neromardorm]

tfw you gotta fight through the Island of Woe using the weapon possessed by your brother just to grab the newest issue of your favorite manga

I have no real other excuse for this other than the fact that I’ve been on an Ignihyde kick lately, I want to see Idia wield a scythe of sorts, and Hade’s ost slaps. Also, bonus image below

#my art #i actually drew this a bit ago and forgot to post lol #idia shroud #im not really gonna tag ortho bc technically he's a scythe in this lol #listen i just think idia should wield an archaic weapon it seems funny to me #i was tempted to draw some more things of like the other students granting him boons like the olympus gods do but then i got tired #might do it later. i just think theres untapped potential #anyways hope yall like it #twisted wonderland #twst #ignihyde

[radiantmists]

what do you think the justice system is like in the kingdom?

like, obviously the institute serves roughly the same role as the cops (and the army, never a good sign). But like many people have commented that they seem to have no regard for proper maintenance of evidence, and they're not shown to look for warrants before searches or anything like that. As far as we're shown, nobody interviews the squire. Ambrosius is put in charge of the search for ballister unilaterally and at the spur of the moment, despite a clear link to the case. He also seems to gather people and go to arrest the director purely on his personal authority, though he may have just not bothered with procedure there.

Even after the arrest, given the kingdom's general black-and-white morality, i imagine it's generally harsh on suspected criminals. Do they get trials? Do they get lawyers?

If there was going to be a trial i can imagine the director arranging an accident before a full investigation can be conducted, bc even without the video there are so many holes in the narrative (where did he get the laser sword? what was his motive?) that a trial could go poorly for her.

And yet, ambrosius seems to volunteer to lead the manhunt because he's worried about how brutal todd is planning to be, which suggests that he at least thinks there's a chance Ballister will be treated humanely after his arrest, which suggests a humane procedure exists even if he was probably wrong to think it would be followed. Nimona suggests that Ballister's going to rot in his cell when he gets caught, but with the way the government is written it seems very likely he'd have been executed.

my favorite idea, though, is that inspired by the motto "go back to the shadows form whence you came", criminals deemed monstrous enough to be excluded from society are exiled to outside the wall.

#though i can also see this being presented as an archaic punishment now deemed TOO inhumane #that being said im dreaming up an au where nimona isnt about and bal thus doesnt get broken out #and ambrosius intervenes before he can be executed and (probably accidentally) gets him exiled instead #ballister doing the survival thing and meeting nimona as his first 'monster that lives outside the wall' seems like fun #nimona #nimona netflix

[citrus-soda]

since Dororo is supposed to speak somewhat archaically in japanese i kinda wish the english translations of kg would do something with that fact.

here is my (rather extreme) example. speaking like he learned english from a fantasy novel

#i once read a translation of a historical fiction manga that actually used archaic english. all the samurai talked using “thee” and “thou” #they said stuff like wastrel and knave and verily too. it was a little funny at first but also pretty cool. #myart #citrussodatalks #im not maintagging this but this is my thought. my thinknig. #my tablet pen needs chargin so i had to draw this while it was plugged into my computer. awful.

[archaicden]

HEY don’t feel pressured to respond to this or anything, but. i’m pretty sure i know you from fuckin fairy tail tumblr back in 2016…i’m dakota. i was SO shocked when your art just happened across my tumblr dashboard lmfao, i hope you’re doing well! <3

i just woke up and i literally sat up straight in shock holy SHIT. dude I’m so shocked you even RECOGNIZE MY STYLE????? FROM SO LONG???? holy shit. dude I hope you’re doing great wow oh my god hi

#im in shock holy shit #ask the archaic #kuperri

[madhyanas]

listen to me. LISTEN. when i say boba fett is bad with words i mean that purely in a verbal/social sense. as mentioned in my previous literature: he either says too much or too little and can’t really gauge which is which. he’s unsure about deliberately changing his tone according to who he’s speaking to so he more or less adopts a one-size-fits-all approach (albeit with notable exceptions such as fennec, bo-katan and koska) - this can be called his “work voice” and it’s part of his scary professional bounty hunter persona etc etc etc. he can very effectively speak when he adopts the role of his own reputation (and uses this skill in tbobf) but when he’s just “boba” he’d rather not say anything than flounder through all those words unnecessarily.

HOWEVER. this hesitancy to speak casually does NOT reflect on his vocabulary. he reads and reads and reads (has been doing so since he was a boy) and enjoys fiction and poetry. it’s a hobby that has made him an eloquent man SPECIFICALLY when the situation calls for it. that’s all. now carry on w your day 👍

#tings #sw #boba fett #what im saying is that boba fett has a worksona. and in it he speaks at length compared to his usual personality #BUT it shouldn’t be taken for a stunted vocab or a lack of articulateness - he has a lot of flowery words and almost archaic turns of phrase #they just swim around in his head until the odd idiom resurfaces in his speech now and then #what else do u call the quacta/stifling thing etc etc ET CETERA.

[moonrevolutions]

im intending on making a southern muse that's like. really southern. not southern in just saying y'all and being from like. a progressive town in virginia or some shit. i mean appalachia southern. eating poisonous poke sallet and going to decoration day to celebrate the dead. at least throw me a y'all'd've, y'all'n't, y'all'da... salmon patties, homemade wine in milk jugs, and eating red / white clay.

#*･༓☾ ooc! lava rains on diamond planets. #/ im sry but most southern muses are so lazy and i CANNOT relate lol. #/ maybe its cuz i grew up in such an archaic environment. #/ on the same land where my ancestors were enslaved. but still ew. #/ people write southerners in such a yankee ass way. STOP.