Who do you think are the most OP members of the FlashFam? I think it's difficult, the majority of them has almost the same powers.
Oh easy.
Wally, Bart and Barry.
I think we forget sometimes that the vast majority of the crazy feats of godlike powers we see from speedsters are coming from these three. Wally, Bart and Barry have insane connections to the speedforce and their skill level is unmatched. What these three can do is by no means normal or average. They are op as fuck.
You have to remember that even... let's say Max Mercury is nowhere even remotely near their skill level. And we're talking about Max Mercury. The guy who knows more about the speedforce than anyone else and trained for years to master it. But Max (although he was faster than Bart when Bart was a child) isn't on the same playing field as Wally, Bart and Barry. Max couldn't enter the speedforce without Bart's assistance, Max couldn't leave the speedforce without Barry and Wally's assistance, Max can't time travel to a destination of his own choice, Max can't speed steal or fully pause time, ect ect. Max is one of the most skilled, most knowledgeable, most trained and most respected speedsters of all time. Max is the cream of the crop. You won't find another speedster better than Max. He's a shining example of what's humanely possible for speedsters to achieve.
But Wally, Bart and Barry aren't humanely possible. Those three are insane.
I'm actually going to make a tier list to explain this
ABSOLUTELY FUCKING INSANE:
(AKA actually gods. Can do literally every speedster ability. Faster than literally everything. Beyond op.)
Wally West (now), Bart Allen, Barry Allen
TOP LEVEL OF SPEEDSTER ABILITY:
(AKA the top of the top. Insane skills. Insane knowledge. Insane speed. Likely has a vast amount of speedster abilities other than running. Likely faster than most other speedsters. Op af)
Max Mercury, Jay Garrick, Savitar, Eobard Thawne, Thad Thawne, Irey West (future)
ABOVE AVERAGE:
(AKA one of the following: above average speed, above average connection or above average abilities. Likely has one or two speedster abilities other than running. Slightly op but still beatable)
Irey West (now), August Heart, Edward Clariss, Jess Quick, Alinta (future), Hunter Zoloman (when connected), Lia Nelson, Jai West (future)
AVERAGE:
(AKA average connection, average speed, average abilities. Potentially an additional speedforce ability but no crazy speedforce abilities. Not op.)
Wally West (past), Ace West, Avery Ho, Jesse Chambers, Daniel West, Christina Alexandrova, Jenni Ognats, Jai West (now), John Fox, Red Death, Don Allen, Dawn Allen, Meena Dhawan, Anatole, David Edwards (after), Judy Garrick, Bar Torr, Fastbak, Swoosh, Terri Magnus, Sela Allen, Jonathan Allen, Carrie Allen, Barry West, S'Kidd Flash, Thondor Allen, Jace Allen, Blaire Allen, Nora Allen, Agent Flashling, Danica Williams, Cherub
TRIES REALLY HARD:
(AKA normal connection but below average speed and abilities. Extremely beatable.)
Baroness Blitzkrieg, Johnny Chambers, Bebeck, Cassiopeia, Harold Christos, Inertia 2, Killspeed, Mayfly, Millie Heyday, Runaround Sue, Wind, Pellmell, Poprocket, Velocity, Gabriella Rossetti
OH NO:
(AKA needs outside assistance to access speedforce (suit, drugs, formula), faulty connection, connection is killing them, can only access powers for short periods of time, ect)
Jai West (past), Alinta (now), Owen Mercer, Eliza Harmon, Jerry McGee, Meloni Thawne (*see notes), Gregor Gregorovich, Boleslaw Uminski, Joanie Swift, Mas, Menos, David Edwards (previously), Keigo, Ezra Gill, Henry Cosgei, Jaculi, Jaculi 2, Jimmy Olsen, Xane Swift
So yeah, as you can see by this, although all speedsters with a functioning speedforce connection are technically capable of being op, speedsters rarely actually are op.
We're just really used to op speedsters because we're used to whatever the fuck Wally, Bart and Barry have going on. But they are very much not representative of speedsters as a whole.
Do you guys remember how fast Wally used to be? When he was younger and struggling with his speed and stuff? THAT'S THE GODDAMN AVERAGE. Wally AT HIS SLOWEST was still faster than every single goddamn speedster he came across, including Jay, Johnny, Jesse, the Blue Trinity, the Red Trinity, ect. HE JUST WASN'T FASTER THAN BARRY OR EOBARD SO HE THOUGHT HE WAS THE WORST. Because Wally is fucking insane. He's an insane human being. Anyway, Wally at his slowest is the typical representation of an average speedster. That's how they typically are.
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No no get started on the whole "new adult" thing, I desperately want to hear
Ok, so here's the thing about New Adult:
It's a genre that's been emerging lately in the catalogs I view when doing frontlists (essentially just pre-orders for upcoming titles) for the book store and I'd been wondering what the hell it was. I'd noticed it was especially common in the descriptors for the romance books, but it was often the ones with that sort of sexy-but-not-full-blown-erotica kind of book that also tended to have the sort of description full of fanfic trope terms and "for fans of [usually a Young Adult title]" or "like [popular title] combined with [other popular title]!!" <- and here it's important to note that the popular titles don't always sound like they would mesh well.
And finally, FINALLY, one of these books is highlighted by the sales rep who works with us and she's got a little blurb about it and I get my first useful description of what "New Adult" is:
"Imagine the golden age of YA - The Hunger Games, Divergent, The Mortal Instruments - but aged up and spicy."
S P I C Y
Which would explain why they're not-quite-erotica type books, you see, we're not straight up PORN we're just ✨️spicy✨️
Nevermind that a lot of these books do have sex in them, but whatever, it's SPICY because that's what's popular to say on BookTok!
Oh. Right. Yeah. BookTok also gets mentioned a lot in listings for this sort of title.
And yes, this includes the Court of... books by Sarah J Maas and things like The Infatuated Fae books by Jeaneane O'Riley. In fact, I'm pretty sure O'Riley was described as a "BookTok darling" in the contributor bio part of the listing, but don't quote me on that, I'd have to look at the listing again.
Anyway, these are some of the biggest offenders regarding that whole "we will describe this with fanfic buzz terms and BookTok girlies will eat it up :)" issue.
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so I was thinking about your posts about the Bill Cipher playlist, and I'd like to suggest Death by Melanie Martinez. Honestly I don't really know if it fits your criteria but I've always thought of it as a VERY Bill-coded song since it came out lol. It's very much about the idea of death and rebirth which I feel like his character is sort of about between the whole Axolotl poem shenanigans and how he really came back to haunt the Pines family in season 2 of gravity falls lol. Just a thought :D
You hit my "oh shit i get to talk about making playlists" button so bear with me a bit while I take a huge diversion before actually addressing your suggestion. To my mind, there are two different philosophies for how to make a character playlist:
One: songs that the playlist-maker thinks suits the character (such as lyrics that relate to their character or plot)
—versus—
Two: songs that the playlist-maker thinks the character themself would choose to listen to and enjoy.
I consider these EXTREMELY different (and usually incompatible) philosophies for how to construct a playlist. (Like, for instance, if I was gonna make a playlist for songs I think suit Fiddleford, I'd probably include The Bird And The Worm, but if I was gonna make a playlist of songs Fiddleford would like, there wouldn't be a SINGLE track that doesn't include frenetic banjos and probably yodeling.)
Some characters (just like some people) might specifically like songs they think are "relatable" or that they feel like describe their own feelings, while others like songs based on criteria that have NOTHING TO DO with whether they identify with it themselves. (Like, speaking for myself—I've currently got thousands of liked songs on spotify, and can think of only two that I saved because I personally identify with them.) And even if somebody does identify lyrically with a song... they're still not likely to like the song if it sounds "bad" to them—in other words, if it just simply isn't the kind of music their ear is tuned to enjoy. (I'm firmly of the opinion that there's no objectively good or bad music, and therefore no song that's "so good" that even someone who doesn't like that kind of music MUST like it—just music that matches our tastes vs music that doesn't.)
ALL OF WHICH IS TO SAY:
Since you're talking about my Bill Cipher playlist that I was listing "criteria" for, that's a strictly Category Two playlist—so, regardless of how well a song suits him—and even if the song doesn't suit him—do I think it probable that he would LIKE it? (Like, that's how songs like "Get Low" got on his playlist. Do i think it describes his life? No. I don't think "Get Low" describes the lives of 99.99% of the people who have ever enjoyed it. But I do think Bill would play it at a party and drunkenly sing-scream "TO THE WINDOWWW—" at 3 a.m.) So: do I think "Death" would fit on a Category Two playlist? Nah, I think he'd get bored before the percussion even kicks in.
ON THE OTHER HAND—if we're gonna talk about Category One songs that suit him—yes, absolutely, I think it lyrically suits Bill. You've got not just the coming back from death element, but also elements of worship—with candles, magic, rituals—and also a sense of being on the "other side". It fits some kinda post-axolotl resurrection and his entire arc of being trapped just outside the Earth, staring at it through the mindscape, reaching out to foolish worshippers, trying to break in. Yeah, great song about him.
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