#jedi order critical

[marvelstars]

The attachment issue, Luminara and Anakin

So you know there is moment in clone wars where Barris and Ahsoka get buried under a ton of rocks and their teachers argue about how going rescuing her.

This moment I believe was made to show the problem when the attachment part of the code gets interpreted to it´s extreme conclusion imo.

Here Luminara talks to Anakin about his "attachment issues" that he needs to "let his apprentice go" obey the "will of the force" etc and you know, in normal circunstances, she would not be wrong about telling Anakin "letting go" of people who died some years or even days ago even if it definitely is insensitive and the last thing a grieving person would like to hear at that moment.

The problem here is that she is already talking about Barris and Ahsoka as if they were already dead mere minutes after being buried by rocks and in this particular case, not looking for them after a crash like that, could count as the reason WHY they died, in these cases time is essential to rescue as much people as you can because their oxigen could be cut or they could be crusched etc and I believe a Jedi Master like Luminara would be aware of this but she is too busy criticizing Anakin on his "attachment issues" instead of looking for both padawans with her jedi senses.

Anakin is so used of this happening of having this discussion with the Jedi Order, that he no longer argues with Luminara, he already had this same discussion with Obi-Wan hundreds of times so instead he barely pays her attention because HE IS TOO BUSY looking for Ahsoka to make sure she is still alive to RESCUE HER AND BARRIS but he also takes the time to comfort Luminara when she believes Barris is already dead.

For her part Barris is already getting ready to die almost as if it´s the WILL OF THE FORCE, it isn´t, this made me sad because she truly ressembled the clones who told Plo Koon about no one going looking for them because they are expendable, in Barris case it isn´t the will of the force, she is giving out way too early and is telling Ahsoka to do the same but they are Jedi, they are trained, they can try to scape or call their masters for help which is what Ahsoka does because that´s what Anakin teached her.

In the end Luminara IS HAPPY for getting her padawan back but she still believe she was 100 % right about giving anakin the attachment issue talk not considering the actual circunstances at all, Anakin is happy because Ahsoka and Barris are alive and Ahsoka is happy because she is alive and her master came for her just like he said he would in cases like this one.

But you know who ISN´T COMPLETELY HAPPY? Barris, she is grateful for being alive but she also expected, maybe, a little more worry from her master? who she loves as a mother?

I love how this goes unsaid because before this incident Barris was criticizing Anakin as well, about his "war mongering ways" and while she has not changed her oppinion about him she looks a little bit jealous of the kind of relationship Anakin and Ahsoka have, not because she wants Anakin to be her master, in fact Anakin and Barris are almost the same age but because she would like to have that kind of relationship with Luminara.

This is what I meant when I sa that while in theory the Jedi code is functional, in practice and in it´s interpretation it´s become unbalanced and it´s become a reason for the Jedi lose their balance as well because they have become so dettachted, they have become used to let their own or other people die way too early imo and this is part of why Anakin really could not agree with them, people should care for others, after all that´s what his Mom teached him "the biggest problem in the galaxy is that no one helps each other" right? and in this particular moment he is 100 % right and gets to rescue everybody, for his worry and compassion, those are some of his best qualities and as a jedi he put them in practice to honor his mother.

This also brings the question, does Anakin have attachment issues or he has a problem with the Jedi interpretation of attachment? some food for thought.

#anakin skywalker #meta: anakin #meta:ahsoka #ahsoka tano #luminara unduli #barris offee #star wars #Jedi Order Critical #the attachment issue

[fanfic-lover-girl]

Anti Tagging is a Broken System

So there was this anti Zutara post that I saw a while ago that was tagged as both 'anti zutara' and 'zutara'. As you can imagine, zutara bloggers were mad and the OP claimed they tagged the post as 'zutara' as payback for zutara fans bashing kataang in the 'kataang' tag.

There was also a jedi critical post that was considered to be insulting to someone's religion or culture or some other nonsense. The person asked (**demanded**), the post be tagged as 'anti jedi' because seeing it in the 'jedi order' tag was causing real-world harm.

It confirmed my belief that the tagging system is severely broken and lacking.

These are two issues at play that I notice:

Villain vs Hero Double Standard

What's interesting is that this issue is mainly relevant for protagonists. If I want to bash Ozai, Palpatine or Joker on Tumblr, I don't have to tag my posts as anti. Maybe their fans would prefer it but we all know that these men are villains and the lowest scum in media. It's not bashing - it's the cold hard truth.

So why is it that my calling Ozai a bad father is not Ozai bashing, but me calling Aang a bad father is Aang bashing?? Why the double standards?? Sure, the hero will likely be more sympathetic because we are meant to root for them. But at the end of the day, just like Ozai, Aang played favourites and this left scars on his kids even in their fifties. If you are an Aang fan you can try to justify it, but his actions still hurt his kids no matter how you spin it.

What Does 'Anti' Even Mean??

There are too many ways to be anti character, anti ship etc which makes things murky.

Let's use Kataang as an example. Are you anti Kataang because you objectively looked at the ATLA show and you think how it is presented makes it a bad ship? Are you anti KA because you genuinely like the ship but you think it was not developed properly or did not go the way you thought best? Are you anti KA because you are just emotionally repulsed for whatever reason even though canon may give you reasons to support it? Are you anti KA just because it may be popular to be so in your circle?

That's the problem. Theoretically, the first two scenarios could be classified under the general 'kataang' tag. Because people who hold those opinions are not just bashing it for no reason but have objective truths that they have observed about the ship. Saying that Aang kissed Katara without her consent is an objective truth. Why should that be labelled as 'anti kataang'? It's the truth about the ship.

How would I address this?

The general tag should not be treated as a safe space. If you want a safe space, stick to a 'pro' or 'anti' tag. The general tag should be treated like a neutral zone where everything is laid on the table for debate and discourse. So if I browse the Jedi Order tag, I should see metas about cool Jedi powers and master-padawan relationships but also metas about the separation of families and the social harm it causes kids.

People need to stop being babies and grow up. If someone posts a critical meta about the Jedi order, it does not mean they are attacking whatever religion you have or calling for genocide in real life. Do you know how much witchcraft, paganism, atheism and other kinds of Christian bashing posts I see in the Christianity tag?? If you don't like something, just scroll past it like a big kid. Don't send death or rape threats to someone if you disagree with them.

I think if someone does not have substantial or accurate reasons for hating something, they should stick to the anti tag and avoid the general tag.

What do others think?? Tagging is hard because it's up to the discretion of the poster but I hope my arguments here made sense.

@caripr94

@tragicfantasy-girl

@sokkastyles

@the-badger-mole

#tumblr discourse #fandom etiquette #tagging #shipping discourse #character discussion #atla aang #aang vs ozai #character bashing #atla #anti tagging #jedi order #jedi order critical #toxic fandom #star wars discourse #star wars #atla discourse #anti kataang

[lightdancer1]

One more thing on the Jedi Order of the Prequels:

You will never be able to do the 'Jedi always right and morally pure and good' thing because that requires the Hardeen and Tano arcs to be a case of them being in the right, not casually cruel jackasses who act about like Palpatine did and reconcile that to themselves. Anakin Skywalker did not make them do that, however deep his own flaws run, the Jedi Order showed in these cases that they will throw their own to the wolves and justify it as always right for no reason other than that they did it.

#star wars meta #jedi order critical #hardeen arc #ahsoka tano leaves the jedi order arc

[anidala-for-ever]

Change my mind:

-Anakin deserved better and he was betrayed by the Jedi, not the other way around.

Hmm, that's not quite right. Anakin did betray the Jedi. He was going through a very hard time and was made to believe he had very limited choices , but he did choose to betray them.

The Jedi on the other part, didn't betray him. They failed him. They didn't give him the support he needed as a child, choosing to see him more as an asset they could use than as a little traumatized boy, they exposed him to the Chancellor ( they didn't have to, they took the path of least resistance) , they exposed him to further violence and danger since he was 12 and probably younger as evidenced by the Anakin and Obi-Wan comics. They did in part cause his fall , but they didn't betray him.

#star wars #Pro Anakin Skywalker #Anakin Skywalker haters don't interact #Jedi order critical

[starryrosebud]

Idk why people always think that Anakin would still a Jedi if he hadn’t fell. Like it’s pretty oblivious in both Aotc and Rots that he wanted to leave the order, also why would he let the Jedi take Luke and Leia from him and Padme?! Anakin and Padme would NEVER give their children to Jedi!!! They wanted to RAISE them together in naboo or everyone just forget that??!!

I think people really forget or erase the characters personality and will( especially from Skywalker family)just to exalt the Jedi order. Because for some reason they believe the Jedi are a “found family”, the people that TAKE you from your family when you still a baby/child can’t be your found family, because you don’t had the choice…at all!!!

#anakin skywalker #padme amidala #skywalker family #jedi order critical #anti disney star wars #jedi critical

[ilovescarletwitch]

Palpatine and the Jedi Order

I have recently had some midnight thoughts about Palpatine and his relationship to the Jedi Order. Mostly born from a fic that clearly states that Master Windu was always suspicious of Palpatine and his relationship with Anakin.

Now, I believe there were a lot of things wrong with the Order. There were a lot of ways they were cruel and insensitive to Anakin because they blindly followed traditions and convention and just didn't stop to apply actual compassion to his situation. They had allowed themselves to become complacent and dependent to the Senate and that limited their ability to help people and were all mostly okay with that. Their insistence on taking on only toddlers and raising to know no other life stinks of indoctrination. But they were not deliberately cruel and they wanted to do good, even if they fell short on occasion.

Anakin had been friends with the Chancellor since he was a small child. At that age it would have been easy for his caretakers to bar the friendship. A nine year old wouldn't go out on his own and befriend the most important man in the galaxy. So the friendship was allowed by the Order. It's alright for a single knight or two to privately think and later say that they would have done things differently. But not the Master of the Order or other Council members.

Because if they always suspected the Chancellor, then it's pretty unforgivable to me that they left a small child alone with him. They took Anakin in and had a duty of care and responsibility to protect. If they knowingly left him with a man they suspected was a predator or was seeking to gain something from Anakin, then there are some pretty terrible implications. Namely,they didn't care what happened to Anakin and decided the slave child that had been taught from birth to completely obey anyone with power over him was an acceptable price to pay to keep the Chancellor happy.

But I actually like the Jedi and want to see them get their shit together and help people. I like Master Windu too, don't actually think his relationship with Anakin is so terrible as others think. He made some colossal mistakes with regards to Anakin but that was mostly ignorance. He would never place young Anakin in the path of a predator. Same for the rest of the council and Obi-Wan.

So they must have trusted Palpatine with Anakin. And I feel that this is so interesting and also canon. Because the whole point of Palpatine is that he is an incredible manipulator. He convinces people he is good. He makes them trust him. He gives advice that will ruin them while making it sound reasonable and right and if the advice didn't work it's because everyone else is terrible.

So let's imagine the Council does trust Palpatine. He seems genuinely kind. He fights against corruption. He worked tirelessly to get Naboo the humanitarian aid they needed to rebuild after the end of the occupation. He made time to return to his homeworld and personally assist making a fairer treaty with the Gungans (personal headcanon because at this point it would be inevitable so he must look supportive and ruin it at a later point).

Let's also imagine that Palpatine was also a councillor. Yes, that's right. The Palpatine in my head studied psychology. He understands people so well, knows just how to manipulate them. He must have learned from somewhere. Meanwhile, the Jedi are struggling with Anakin. They have never had a youngling like that. So this really nice guy, who has studied psychology and even worked as a councillor for a small amount of time, is offering to help. Naboo has a tradition of people entering politics and activism from too early, so these sort of mentoring relationships are common. And Anakin did help his planet not just by destroying a ship but by offering Padme help when he himself was in a desperate situation. So Palpatine feels obligated to offer help to the small child who is now struggling. And so the Jedi council gives it a shot.

And Palpatine is careful. He first builds an emotional rapport with Anakin and then slowly fans Anakin's doupts, self worth and self loathing issues and his feelings of isolation. But for the first few meetings Palpatine lends a judgement free ear and Anakin looks better when he returns. So the Jedi decide this has the dual benefit of both helping Anakin and building good relations with the Chancellor and approve the friendship.

#star wars #Anakin Skywalker #Jedi Order Critical #But they still try to be good #Sheev Palpatine is creepy

[gch1995]

That is funny. All Jedi are actually slaves. They don't have a right to own property, they can't marry whoever they want and they obey the Council. They are even recruited like slaves, taken from their families without any choice.I don't know how Ahsoka even can leave the Order when a jedi needs to be watched closesly and not build up ties with the rest of the people or he/she may fall to the Dark Side.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but as they are written as an overall institution in canon, I honestly think that force-sensitive humans and beings in the galaxy of Star Wars would generally be better off if they never got involved with the Jedi Order at all. Like, it’s tragic to realize that the most consistently happy, secure, and well-adjusted point in Anakin Skywalker’s horrendous life was when he was living on Tattoine in physical slavery with his mother. Then, afterwards, that happiness was far too brief and fleeting for the next 34 years of his life. Sure, part of it is his own fault for committing all those crimes he knew were wrong out of anger and fear of the unknown, but not all of it is. The fact that his agency was constantly compromised to ever be able to find healthy support or feel safe doing any better by all of these deeply abusive, arrogant, corrupt, hypocritical, manipulative, oppressive, self-involved, and willfully negligent authority figures within these two space soldier cults for their own ends certainly wasn’t his fault, but he did have his own selfish and vindictive motivations, too.

If we’re going by Luke Skywalker’s new Jedi Order, particularly in Legends (Disney canon keeps screwing up his character), I don’t think it would necessarily be too bad as an optional day camp or law-enforcement job for training with the force and helping out the galaxy on the side. As long as they are old enough and well-adjusted enough to be handling weapons, they get to have a fair choice in the matter of being a Jedi or leaving any time they want, I don’t think the Jedi Order has to be unhealthy.

However, for the most part, I think most of the force-sensitive characters we meet in the canon series do so much better in their lives without ever getting involved in either the Jedi Order or the Sith at all. They often end up becoming deeply dysfunctional adults who develop serious behavioral/impulse control issues, dangerous ends justify the means type morality, poor critical thinking skills, and poor self-awareness because they have been groomed to have little to no self-confidence in their own moral integrity and personal agency, and rarely break out of it.

It’s not just Anakin and the other fallen Jedi who grow up to be deeply problematic tragic living disasters with those toxic mindsets in the series either. Look at Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda. They are supposed to be the “ideal” Jedi of their time, but they’re still pretty awful and broken people as adults, anyway. They can never can take true personal accountability for fucking up. They are always in the right, the “blameless victims,” or the “noble failures” who were taken advantage of because they were too nice in their minds. However, we repeatedly see them deliberately betraying, controlling, deceiving, endangering, harming, manipulating, murdering, neglecting, and/or oppressing anyone who either acts a potential threat to or can be of use to “greater good” of their cause or desire to fit in for security without much concern for the potential consequences of their actions and decisions or remorse for the individuals they are sacrificing for their cause.

Even their moments of self-awareness suck because they still can’t admit that they followed a fucked up system that cost them a lot of people because they became too afraid to do the right things under pressures of corrupt authority, facing the unknown, and war. Anakin dies with more self-acceptance and self-awareness than either Obi-Wan and Yoda do throughout the entire series in the last 15 minutes of ROTJ, and he became one of the main villains of Star Wars.

#star wars anon #let’s be honest though they are better than Sith most characters in SW would probably be better if they never encountered the Jedi order too #at least as they are written in canon SW in both the present and past #like I could see Luke Skywalker’s new Jedi Order in legends that is a healthy system that allows for freedom of choice working out #and that was supposed to be Luke’s legacy after the OT movies for the new Jedi order which Disney has been ruining #but for the most part as they are written in CANON the Jedi order are only ‘good’ because they are the lesser of two evil military cults #the Jedi institution generally sucks as a whole in canon and aside from Luke skywalker most of them cause more problems than they solve #it’s sad when you realize that Anakin would have probably turned out a far better person if he had never recruited him as a Jedi at all #I mean the galaxy would still be fucked because of the Jedi Council the Republic Senate the Sith and Palpatine anyway #and Anakin’s life would still suck because Tatooine wasn’t the Republic’s interest #but at least he would still have his mom and have a better chance of growing up to be a good and well-adjusted adult #at least he would be happy if he never encountered the Jedi in canon #luke skywalker #anakin skywalker #darth vader #obi wan kenobi critical #Yoda critical #Jedi order critical #no their entire order didn’t deserve to be mass murdered in response #but those enabling and/or enforcing the system of the Jedi are generally portrayed as the lesser of two evils next to the Sith

[short-wooloo]

Now that the trailer is out, it's probably best that I get this out of the way before acolyte releases

The Jedi are right about the Force and the dark side

The Jedi did not lose their way

The Jedi were not corrupted

The genocide of the Jedi was not their fault

The Jedi are not wrong for being part of the Republic, it is in fact a good thing

The Jedi are not arrogant for thinking the sith are gone

and while we're at it the sith are evil, always, end of discussion

The Jedi do not steal children

If someone wants to leave the Jedi, that's allowed, no one will stop them

The Jedi are right about attachment

Attachment is not love (SW uses the Buddhist definition because Lucas is a Buddhist and the Jedi are based off Buddhist monks, Buddhism defines attachment as being possessive or unwilling to let go of people or things)

The Jedi do not forbid emotions, they forbid being controlled by your emotions, you must control them

The Jedi are not forbidden from loving people, nor are they celibate, they just can't get married (big whup) because their duties must come first

Being peacekeepers doesn't preclude the Jedi from fighting in war, sometimes to keep the peace you have to fight back, especially when its against tyranny, see WWII (or Ukraine today)

Gray jedi are not a thing

The Jedi are not slavers or complicit in slavery

Oh and of course, the Jedi are not elitists for not training non Force sensitives, (Han voice) that's not how the Force works, dave filoni broke the rules so he could shoehorn sabine into a Jedi (to give the benefit of the doubt, I do believe sabine's role as ahsoka's apprentice was meant for an original character but things got condensed by executives, so maybe filoni isn't entirely to blame here)

Feel free to add anything I forgot

Do not, DO NOT!! add anything Jedi critical, I'm done with it and won't hear it, don't have something nice to say? Then go away, I will block on sight, either reblog without comment (either in the reblog or the notes) or don't interact at all

#wooloo-writes #wooloo writes #star wars #sw #jedi #jedi order #pro jedi #in defense of the jedi #the acolyte critical #the acolyte #sw acolyte #anti the acolyte #anti acolyte #acolyte critical #star wars the acolyte #anti filoni #anti dave filoni #dave filoni critical #the jedi were right #the jedi did nothing wrong #george lucas #anti gray jedi #anti grey jedi

[kanansdume]

It's continuously frustrating that this show REFUSES to condemn Anakin for the things he's done or even really explicitly call him out on them, and they even go so far as to basically decide none of it even MATTERED.

But all they can say about the Jedi is that they failed.

When asked what Anakin was like, all Huyang says is that he was "intense."

The worst Ahsoka says is that he was "more dangerous than anyone realized" and then two episodes later she's calling him a "good master" despite everything he did to her and the rest of the galaxy. She never ONCE condemns him for committing a genocide against the Jedi and hunting them down for over two decades. She never ONCE condemns him for enslaving the clones and betraying their loyalty and using them as weapons against the Jedi they loved. She never ONCE condemns him for trying to personally kill HER.

He jokes with her, he gets to say that he wants to protect her, he gets to guide her into choosing to live, he makes recordings for her that she still uses years later. Anakin gets to be "more" than just his failures.

But the Jedi, somehow, do not. The Jedi are ONLY EVER their failures. Ahsoka never mentions them otherwise, she never remembers them fondly at all, she has no stories or connections about any of the other Jedi, she constantly disregards Jedi protcols as foolish and ridiculous at best.

The best thing they can say about the Jedi is that the "idea of them" had merit. But Anakin gets to be a GENUINELY good Jedi Master, more than just a good IDEA.

And this just feels like the WORST of double standards to me.

#star wars #jedi #ahsoka show #ahsoka tano #ahsoka series #pro jedi #jedi appreciation #jedi order appreciation #ahsoka 2023 #star wars ahsoka #sw ahsoka #ahsoka spoilers #anakin critical #anakin skywalker critical #anti anakin #anti anakin skywalker

[marvelstars]

This is a really interesting take on TPM, art and text by @FaithErinHicks from twitter.

Anakin´s story

Imagine you are a slave boy on Tatooine. You & your mother are sold to a junk trader when you were 3 years old & you live without freedom, without personhood. You & your mother together, against the world.

A Jedi Knight comes to Tatooine. The Jedi are the “Guardians of Peace and Justice” but he is not here to free slaves. There is no justice on Tatooine, but the Jedi Knight doesn’t seem to care about that.

The Jedi decides to take you away from Tatooine. Not because you are a slave boy & he recognizes that injustice, but because you are special. You are a Chosen One from some prophecy you’ve never heard of. You will become a Jedi.

You have to leave your mother, who the Jedi will not free. The one person in the world who you love, you must leave her in slavery, while you become a Jedi, a Guardian of Peace and Justice.

You are told by privileged people in robes you will not become a Jedi, you are not fit. You are a child, and you miss your mother. The Jedi tell you to fear losing her is to risk falling to the Dark Side. But what is the Light without your mother?

At the end of the story there is a party & you watch a Queen gives a Gungan a shiny ball. You are a Padawan, you will become a Jedi someday. But do the Jedi take you back to Tattoine, to rescue your mother? They do not.

There is no justice for your mother, still a slave, trapped galaxies apart from you. Years pass & the Jedi, Guardians of Peace & Justice, do not free her. You are the Chosen One, but you have no agency, no power. You are merely a tool to be used to bring balance to the Force.

The Dark Side beckons.

"Anakin and "The Son(Darkside) from the Clone Wars"

Now I personally think this wasn´t the sole reason Anakin fell to the darkside but this definitely was a strong reason for him to develop tension with the entire Jedi Order along with what happens on the Clone Wars because it´s curious how they often treat Anakin more like an unreliable resource than one of their own, they expect him to win battles for them but don´t trust him to make decisions and when he shows emotional umbalance as a result of this is tackled as if it´s only a fault of Anakin, all this background certainly explains Vaderkin´s perspective of the Jedi being evil even if he tried for many years to justify them to himself and others,in fact he had an idealized view of them and often defended them to Palpatine.

I am not saying they were indeed evil or that they were in charge of correcting every evil in the galaxy but they are responsible for the things they had the possibility to correct and didn´t just like Anakin was responsible for his own actions.

The Prequel trilogy had many interesting concepts that weren´t truly explored but it´s richness in the story of the tragedy of star wars is still out there to be explored.

#anakin skywalker #shmi skywalker #star wars #clone wars #jedi order critical #Qui-Gon critical

[stealingpotatoes]

hands you all this cal to announce i’ve FINALLY finished fallen order (by which i mean i finally picked it up again after those couple hours i played a few months ago and then finished the whole game in 2 days lol)

#cal kestis #bd 1 #jedi fallen order #jfo #star wars #my doods #anyway HOLY CRAP YOU MEAN STAR WARS WAS ALLOWED TO BE GOOD BEFORE ANDOR (2022-)??????????????? AND I DIDNT KNOW?? #i love cal i loved the story i love how cinematic and amazing it looked good lord #i don't think i've ever played a game which gets such an amazing sense of scale across #like all the great temples or fallen starships were just Wow #like bracca ALONE gobsmacked me. seeing all these things i grew up watching in tcw as wreckage was like Ough Wow and THEY FELT SO HUGE #im just. wow!! #and THAT FINAL MISSION HUH. MOST FEAR INSPIRING VIDEOGAME ENCOUNTER EVER #my only criticisms are the awkward navigation/ level design in some areas and maybe the ending felt a bit lackluster somehow #i say somehow bc i dont get how lol #the reason im making this post past midnight is bc i got off work at 10pm and then immediately had to finish it LOL #anyway big heart emojis im very happy i sat down and actually played it finally #i want jedi survivor now LOL unfortunately it costs money and i have a rule i never buy games in release year lol #tbh i never rlly buy games til they're £20 or less

[jedi-enthusiast]

Anakin and Ahsoka are “pick-me’s.”

Don’t worry, I’ll elaborate.

Anti-Jedi folks will always, always, lift these two assholes up as “better than all the rest of the Jedi.”

They’ll say that they have “empathy,” and “compassion,” and that they “care about the little people and not just the politicians in the Senate”—or whatever the fuck else they wanna say—all because Ahsoka and Anakin “Aren’t Like Other Jedi™️”

Now, theoretically, you could say the same thing about Qui-Gon, Kanan, Cal, etc. except for the fact that they themselves don’t believe that.

They loved being Jedi, they viewed themselves as being Jedi, they loved their fellow Jedi and the Order. They didn’t betray their family, they didn’t blame their family for their own fucking genocide or basically call their practices stupid because “look how much better I am teehee.”

Qui-Gon, Kanan, Cal…they loved the Order and being Jedi in a way that Ahsoka and Anakin didn’t.

Ahsoka’s change is partly Anakin’s fault, since she only changed after being his padawan, but that doesn’t change the fact that now she’s so entrenched in her own ignorance that she truly believes that the Jedi brought on their own genocide because they didn’t train non-Force-sensitives.

So yeah, Anakin and Ahsoka are massive pick-me’s and y’all are too.

#star wars #sw prequels #anti anakin skywalker #anti anakin apologists #anakin skywalker critical #ahsoka tano critical #pro jedi #pro jedi council #pro jedi order #qui gon jinn #kanan jarrus #cal kestis

[lightdancer1]

Also it was not, in fact, until the Disney canon:

That Tusken Raiders actually became characters, as opposed to Orcs with Gaddafi sticks, er Gadderfi sticks. At the time when Anakin killed them the intended vibe was 'massacres bad even when the victims are always-evil mindless marauders who at bare minimum tortured your mother to death', not 'Anakin killed a sapient species who had choices on what to do and elected to capture someone to torture them to death for fun.'

The way in which the analyses of Anakin Skywalker's toxicity neatly skips past just what happened to Shmi prior to the massacre and where making Tuskens fully sapient beings who casually indulge in torture to pass the time ala Tolkien's Orcs makes them even worse, not better is.....fascinating. It's like they cannot admit that the entire point that people may be barbaric monsters in behavior but murdering them is still murder just slid past them, much as the great moment of the original trilogy was not, in fact, killing Darth Vader.

The reasons Anakin ultimately falls in the Prequels amount to wanting to save his wife's life after visions he'd had of his mother's death very much did happen, and because he listened to the advice of the Jedi Order he arrived too late to save her. Stripped of Lucas's clunky prose and the painfully bad acting as a result of his unfettered hand, those are the reasons he fell.

He was an utterly unsympathetic rabid golden retriever garbage fire of a man, but he embraced the Dark Side and Evil for entirely understandable, all too human reasons. Neglecting that to play up his whiny suckbrat behavior that Luke Skywalker very much inherited from him oversimplifies the narrative. So too that the Jedi Order and Yoda, specifically, clearly did know something happened and the alternatives are incompetent bungling (entirely probable given the rest of the Prequels) or that they literally kept it a secret in the interest of the Jedi Order for realpolitik (also probable given everything with the expanded universe from that era).

To claim the Jedi Order's dogmatism had nothing to do with the fall of Anakin Skywalker is silliness, claiming that this justifies their near-extinction is also silliness, because the reality is that if the Jedi Order were this flawlessly right hyper-competent thing some of the fandom and the fanfiction keep trying to make them Sheev Palpatine falls onto a lightsaber around the time of the military creation act as his obviously evil mannerisms would have given that away.

#star wars meta #jedi order #anakin skywalker #anakin skywalker critical #jedi order critical

[nateofgreat]

The "Strictness" of the Jedi

Ahsoka Tano: I was just reckless on the battlefield, violating orders to retreat and had to be forced to pull out.

Mace Windu: You'll be performing extra chores at the Temple for a little while.

Ahsoka Tano: I just lost my lightsaber and am too embarrassed to tell my Master about it.

Jocasta Nu: Well that's alright dear. Here, why don't I introduce you to Master Sinube our expert on the underworld, he'll help you find it. We won't even tell your Master.

Ahsoka Tano: *Spends the investigation threatening people, beating them up, and being consumed with impatience and fear.*

Master Sinube: That's alright, we'll use this as a learning opportunity. I'm going to teach you patience! Then bring you to a youngling class to pass the lesson on.

Ahsoka Tano: I lied and snuck my way onto the Citadel mission purely because no one had done it before and I wanted to be apart of it.

Plo Koon: No problem, I'll cover for you.

Ahsoka Tano: I just spoke out of turn to the Jedi Council.

The Council: Whatever. And we blame you for this, Anakin.

Ahsoka Tano: I muddled an investigation into a bombing, beat up Clones who tried to arrest me, worked with a known Sith Assassin, and broke out of prison.

Jedi Council: We award you with Knighthood at the age of sixteen.

Ahsoka Tano: I demand an army to invade a neutral planet because an ex-terrorist asked me to do it!

Obi-Wan Kenobi: Okay sure, let me talk to the Council.

Ahsoka Tano: What? The capital's under attack? I don't care! Just give me the army already!

Anakin Skywalker: Here you go.

Ahsoka Tano: I'm not apart of the Jedi Order anymore.

Jedi Council: We'll still share relevant intelligence with you while you deal with the crisis in Mandalore.

#Star Wars #The Jedi #Pro Jedi #Jedi Defense #Mace Windu #Tera Sinube #Jocasta Nu #Obi-Wan Kenobi #Anakin Skywalker #Ahsoka Tano critical #In defense of the Jedi #The Jedi Order #But please tell me again how the Jedi are so mean :(

[communistkenobi]

not sure if this was intentional or not but nemik saying in his manifesto “Remember this: Try.” is an interesting sentiment given that “do or do not, there is no try” is like one of the more famous lines from the original trilogy

#sw.txt #andor spoilers #andor #VERY INTERESTING IF THAT IS INTENTIONAL #maybe speaks to the disconnect between the jedi and the rebellion even after the order fell #the OT was written without the PT in mind but like the PT establishes yoda as a figurehead of the order #so like you could read that line as one being informed by a long familiarity with institutional power #and all the privileges that grants #there’s a similarly ‘heretical’ line from obiwan in uhhh wtf was that book called. planet something #the one by Greg bear #whatever it’s legends now but obiwan tells anakin that the force is not a nurse maid it will not protect you #which is a fairly radical thing for a Jedi to say #it’s understandable since it was shortly after he lost quigon #but I especially like when other sw media responds to established canon in a critical way #not necessarily to say it’s wrong but to present a perspective that frames the established canon as something you can contest

[fonmythenmetz]

Gentle reminder that these guys are rebuilding the Jedi Order together while Sabine and Ahsoka are busy staring at each other.

Thrawn asking the nightsisters for advice like “How do I get back to my galaxy?” And they be like “??? Don’t. Man. Just hide.”

#can you guys believe that we have graham hamilton cameron monaghan eman esfandi and sam witwer in their primes right now #and not getting a show of luke cal ezra and galen together #seriously? #ill have to draw it #canon is dead. the new jedi order thrives #i have spoken #star wars #cal kestis #luke skywalker #galen marek #ezra bridger #starkiller #pro jedi #also grogu is luke’s padawan forever you can fight me on this #ahsoka critical