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randomthingsthatilike1 · 6 months

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I think a lot about how so much of hoynes and jed's relationship was influenced by the fact that Leo kept hoynes' confidence about being an alcoholic for all those years.

except--hoynes didn't realize until Leo told him that jed's gotta know

and you can just see that hoynes looks gobsmacked--because all those times jed has offered John a drink, he probably thought wow, this guy is such a sonnofa bitch, he knows I'm sober and it's been years of working with him as his vice president and he is STILL trying to get me to drink

but all this time. jed was just trying to be polite. Leo kept his confidence and God how it would have influenced a lot of antagonism John would have felt for jed bc yeah that would have been fair to hate the guy.

but jed didn't know

bc Leo never said anything. this was his president and his best friend and he never said anything. you can tell that if it was John, he would have said something esp with how surprised he was

Leo McGarry is a better man than John hoynes and I do wonder after he died how many times does John hoynes think the same thing

#the west wing #john hoynes #leo mcgarry #thats not even getting into all of hoynes' misconduct with women

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onekisstotakewithme · 7 months

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Summary: Election Day, 1998. As the votes come in, the staff of Bartlet for America waits with one question in mind: Who will be the next President?

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Happy anniversary to "The West Wing" which first aired on this day in 1999.

Thank you all for reading! 💜

#the finale of 'off the record' will be posted as usual at 8 PM!#the west wing #tww #jed bartlet #abbey bartlet #leo mcgarry #john hoynes #cj cregg #josh lyman #toby ziegler #sam seaborn #danny concannon #donna moss

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writer-at-the-table · 2 years

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This time through, I'm really enjoying Hoynes as a minor antagonist and sometimes ally.

The contradictions in his behavior make him interesting.

The way his political maneuvering is at odds with his genuine concern for Leo, and his extension of compassion and an invitation to his super-secret AA meeting, in Five Votes Down, for instance, is fascinating.

I also love all of the different layers that go into his resentment of Leo and Bartlet for his political situation.

One the one hand, Hoynes bears some responsibility for his own loss in the primaries - he didn't listen to Josh's advice when he had it, and he admits as much to Josh. He made choices that hurt his own campaign, no outside influence involved.

One the other hand, there are genuine (if not all entirely fair) reasons for him to resent Bartlet and Leo.

Bartlet never would have run without Leo's prompting, nor could he have won without Leo and Josh's political acumen. And Leo did recruit Josh away from Hoynes' own campaign to work for Bartlet. (But Josh still made his own choices, and Hoynes' own behavior at that time made it easier for Josh to leave. And Hoynes doesn't seem to feel for Josh the resentment he does for Leo and Bartlet despite Josh leaving Hoynes' campaign for them. See, complicated!)

And that's not even getting into the MS thing, for which Hoynes has completely valid reasons to be pissed off, but not to take it out on Leo and the senior staff generally, who weren't involved and don't even know.

And it's not all one sided, either. The President being an ass to Hoynes in a cabinet meeting because of his own personal resentment of Hoynes' behavior during the campaign is childish, and causes problems none of them needed.

And it's not unfair that Hoynes is a little resentful at the way everyone assumes he's the leak on that, because as it turns out, he's completely innocent! And he denied the entirely true rumor when Danny asks him about it, thus protecting the administration! But it's also not unreasonable that the staff all think he is the leak, because there's precedence for that sort of behavior from Hoynes!

It's all so complicated and intertwined and petty and entirely believable on all sides. And it's much more fun, and interesting, to watch than an alternate version of the show where Hoynes is just a one-note asshole all the time.

#The West Wing #meta #John Hoynes #I have a lot of thoughts bout this #I'm in the process of writing a longer meta about Hoynes #as opposed to this post #which is about my enjoyment of Hoynes as a character #no promises on when I'll post it though #so don't hold your breath #I have ADHD you know #mine #My posts #my meta

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thatnamewill-probably-change · 2 years

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By season 6, Josh Hoynes and Josh’s relationship, working and otherwise, has been a rollercoaster ride to say the least. There have been feelings of frustration, betrayal, animus, sorrow, and misunderstanding pointed at each other. Yet despite all of this, Josh Lyman is the first person that John Hoynes goes to when he wants to run for President.

It could be that Hoynes is just being practical about who it takes to win, that he’s trying to butter Josh up by mentioning him so many times in the book, that Hoynes is a good politician. But the mentions of Josh aren’t just in relation to work, but the bulk of them are Josh’s time working in Congress, Golf, Debates they had, A time when Josh went on Family Vacation with them, playing Golf, Josh’s father dying.

Regardless of their journey, Josh Lyman is someone that Hoynes doesn’t want out of his life.

#the west wing #Josh Lyman #John hoynes #Now that is not to defend at all what Hoynes does #and for Josh the bridge is burned #but Josh doesn’t see how much value he brings to people’s lives.

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thebreakfastgenie · 2 years

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I do not feel like digging the post up so I'm just going to make it again but Hoynes absolutely knew Leo wouldn't like Josh saying getting the pilot back alive would boost approval ratings and told him on purpose to get Josh in trouble because he was pissed about the "no sir, I know it for sure" thing. Also he was pissed because he knows Josh was right and Josh is the one that got away. Also he does feel bad about it when Josh gets shot like nine hours later.

#john hoynes is playing 4D chess but no one is even noticing

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kuri-crocus · 3 months

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Results: A David Tennant bf/gf for a Michael Sheen character

I made a result post for the GO3 wishes. So here are the results for the Good Omens Extended Universe shipping polls as well. These are the results for Michael's characters. Here are the results for David's characters. It doesn't mean to be the end: I am still open for requests for other characters...

1. Aro -279 votes-

Most popular match: Peter Vincent (35.8%)

2. Barty Crouch Jr. (30.5%), 3. Crowley (11.5%), 4. Giacomo Casanova (8.6%), 5. Richard II (7.5%), 6. The Doctor (5.7%) 0.4% voted for other characters (not specified)

2. Lucian -262 votes-

Most popular match: Peter Vincent (43.1%) again!

2. Barty Crouch Jr. (18.3%), 3. Crowley (9.9%), 4. Kilgrave/Kevin Thompson and the Doctor (9.5% each), 5. Giacomo Casanova (6.1%), 6. Campbell Bain (2.3%) 1.1% voted for other characters (not specified)

3. Miles Maitland -241 votes-

Most popular match: Campbell Bain (43.1%)

2. Ginger Littlejohn (22.4%), 3. Phileas Fogg (15.4%), 4. The Doctor (11.6%), 5. Crowley (10%), 6. Peter Vincent (5.4%) 7. Jean-François Mercier (4.6%) 8. Hector Heldane (0.8%) 2.1% voted for other characters (not specified)

4. Martin Whitly -190 votes-

Most popular match: Dave Tiler (28.6%)

2. Simon Yates and Donald Peterson (23.8 % each), 3. James Arber 14.3%), 4. Doug McLeod (9.5%)

If you scrolled until here you deserve this fact: Until now we have 6 mutual couples where the character won the other ones poll and vice versa: Aro x Peter Vincent, Alec Hardy x Bill Masters, Campbell Bain x Miles Maitland, Roland Blum x Aiden Hoynes, Giacomo Casanova x Robbie Ross and Peter Carlisle x Colin Lawes!

#good omens extended universe #michael sheen #david tennant

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thestarwarslesbian · 9 months

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How my west wing AU is coming along-

So Far so good.

I wrote the chapter 1 summary yesterday.

The entire White House staff bristles with activity when it’s learned that the President (Breha Organa) injured herself during a bicycle accident, and her absence becomes a factor as chief of staff Mace Windu must juggle a host of impending crises, including a mass boat lift of Cuban refugees approaching the Florida coast and the reaction of conservative Christians to a controversial televised comment by deputy chief of staff Padmé Amidala. Meanwhile, Cody Fett, the trouble-prone deputy communications director, unknowingly spends the night with a call girl (Satine Kryze) and then makes another critical error during a children’s White House tour.

I just finished assining characters.

Main cast

Cody Fett [Sam Seaborn], Deputy White House Communications Director

Luminara [Mandy Hampton], Media Consultant

Thorn Fett [Charlie Young], Personal Aide to the President

Fox Fett [C. J. Cregg], White House Press Secretary

Riyo Chuchi [Toby Ziegler], White House Communications Director

Mace Windu [Leo McGarry], White House Chief of Staff

Padme Amidala [Josh Lyman], White House Deputy Chief of Staff

Breha Organa [Josiah Bartlet], President of the United States

Bail Organa [Abbey Bartlet], First Lady of the United States

Recurring cast

Anakin Skywalker [Donna Moss], assistant to Padme

Ponds Fett [Margaret Hooper], Assistant to Chief of Staff Windu

Depa Billaba [Dolores Landingham], President Organa's executive secretary

Yan Doku [Danny Concannon], senior White House correspondent for The Washington Post

Leia Organa [Zoey Bartlet], the youngest of the President's three daughters

Calab Dum [Mallory O'Brien], Leo McGarry's son

Adi Gallia [Admiral Percy Fitzwallace], Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Shaak Ti [John Hoynes], Vice President of the United States

Satine Kryze [Laurie], law student and part-time high priced call girl Sam sleeps with in the pilot.

Hera Sendulla [Gina Toscano], the Secret Service agent assigned to Leia

Bo-Katan Kryze [Joey Lucas], a Democratic political consultant

Thrie Fett [Andrea Wyatt], Congresswoman from Maryland's 5th district and ex-husband of Riyo Chuchi

#the west wing au #the west wing #star wars #the clone wars #bail/breha/fox #i am looking forward to finishing this chapter #and the whole thing

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rank-sentimentalist · 1 year

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The West Wing: "17 People"

FADE IN: INT. TOBY'S OFFICE - NIGHT

THE SAME NIGHT

Toby is sitting in a chair throwing his rubber ball against the wall.

MAN [on TV]

That’s an incredible one in 500 Americans afflicted with this disease, which leads me to part two of our question.

Toby stops throwing for a moment.

MAN [on TV]

Senator, how is it that, despite the prevalence of this disorder, autism has received less than 15 percent...

Paper crumpling.

TWO NIGHTS LATER

Toby is throwing crumpled legal pad paper into a wastebasket already full with other papers. He sighs heavily and throws away another page.

TWO NIGHTS AFTER THAT

Toby is typing on his laptop. He stops suddenly, looking through the screen and into the hallway. He gets up and walks to LEO'S OFFICE.

TOBY

Leo.

LEO

Hey, I didn’t know you were still here.

TOBY

Yeah.

LEO

What’s going on?

TOBY

I’ve been thinking... about why Hoynes volunteered to slap down big oil.

LEO

It was his polling information.

TOBY

Yeah, but why did he put the poll in the field at all, is what I’m saying.

LEO

John Hoynes is an egomaniac who needs to be told what people think of him.

TOBY

[chuckles] Well, that’s pretty unusual for Washington.

LEO

Yeah.

TOBY

[comes closer] Leo, has there been a discussion in some room, some place, anywhere on any level about Hoynes being dropped from the ticket in 2002?

LEO

No.

TOBY

You sure?

LEO

Yep.

TOBY

‘Cause I thought maybe it was an Eisenhower-Nixon...

LEO

No, Toby, I wouldn’t give it a lot of thought.

TOBY

Okay. [walks out]

Sound of Toby’s rubber ball hitting the wall.

THE NEXT NIGHT

FADE IN: INT. TOBY'S OFFICE - NIGHT

Toby is in his chair, throwing the ball against the wall. Throws with the right hand, catches with the left.

THE NEXT MORNING

FADE IN: INT. LEO'S OFFICE - DAY

Leo walks in, picks up his mail, walks into his office, and turns on the light. Toby is sitting on his couch.

TOBY

Hey.

LEO

[raises his head, terrified] You scared the hell out of me.

TOBY

The poll that Hoynes put in the field...

LEO

Hoynes is going to run for President one day. Why shouldn’t he do his own polling?

TOBY

[gets up] He’s going to run for President six years from now, what good does last week's do?

LEO

I really don’t know. [walks by him]

TOBY

Okay.

THAT NIGHT

TOBY [VO]

It’s never happened before, right?

FADE IN: INT. LEO'S OFFICE - NIGHT

Toby is pacing in the office.

LEO

No.

TOBY

A Vice President would never challenge a sitting President for the nomination.

LEO

‘Course not.

TOBY

You see his itinerary for the weekend?

LEO

Who?

TOBY

The Vice President.

LEO

I don’t keep tabs on John.

TOBY

He’s giving a speech at a semiconductor plant. The title of the speech is, "Clean air industry in the high-tech Corridor of the Industrial Northeast."

LEO

Where?

TOBY

Nashua. New Hampshire.

Leo takes off his glasses and sits back in the chair. Toby stares at him.

LEO

Toby, nobody, and particularly not Hoynes would be naïve enough... what I mean to say is if he’s going to New Hampshire for the reason you’re thinking he would mask it with something. It wouldn’t be an official trip. He’d make up a benign excuse to be up there.

TOBY

I know.

LEO

So why are you concerned about the speech?

TOBY

Because it comes in the middle of a three-day camping trip to Killington. [beat] Why does Hoynes think the President isn’t going to run again?

A beat, while the sound of Toby’s ball, slamming into the wall, is heard.

TOBY

What’s going on, Leo?

Leo doesn’t answer. Toby continues staring at him.

THE WEST WING

“17 PEOPLE”

WRITTEN BY: AARON SORKIN

DIRECTED BY: ALEX GRAVES

communicationsoffice.tripod.com

#TV #The West Wing #West Wing #17 People #2x18 #Aaron Sorkin #Toby Ziegler #leo mcgarry

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maverickcalf · 6 months

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West wing au where John Hoynes shots Jed Bartlet

#i was listening to Hamilton and i had a thought #west wing #does he live #i dunno but it is in my head

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dil-ibaadat · 1 year

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https://youtu.be/B-uksRj_XDo

I haven’t started watching the West Wing yet but came upon this clip on YouTube and squealed because I understood the reference in your AU Bridgerton fic with @folklauerate

Can’t wait for your next update!

you got the reference!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS MAKES ME SO HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you so much for dropping this my way, i adore it. you’re so sweet <3

and yes, in this AU, when i first started writing it:

kate -> jed

tom -> leo

anthony -> an amorphous blob of senator john hoynes/abbey (i wanted to include a tag “imagine jed bartlet and john hoynes fucking” but then i realized that might put people off -- although if anyone wants it i will WRITE IT THEY HAD CHEMISTRY)

but the senior staff may or may not change!!! @folklauerate has some incredible things coming up for y’all and you should be SO EXCITED.

#ask on tumblr #anon #bridgerton #fanfiction #my fic #WHAT A SWEET ANON

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onekisstotakewithme · 9 months

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sometimes watching the west wing is like. maybe they'd build more political goodwill and relationships if they didn't actively and openly disdain every vice president they have...

#the west wing #john hoynes #bob russell

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the-insufferable-know-it-all · 6 months

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John Hoynes redemption arc? It’s unlikelier than you think

#IKIA watches west wing #the last time we saw him he was a good dude #and now Chanandler Bong is ruining him

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thebreakfastgenie · 2 years

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Currently riled up about the absolute disrespect shown to Hoynes as a character in the post Sorkin seasons.

#that's me the one and only John Hoynes fangirl #I think Hoynes is the most real feeling politician on the show I think that's the deal

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kuri-crocus · 4 months

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A Michael Sheen boyfriend for a David Tennant character Masterpost

Peter Vincent (Fright Night)

Alec Hardy (Broadchurch)

Phileas Fogg (Around the World in 80 days)

Kilgrave/Kevin Thompson (Jessica Jones)

Barty Crouch Jr. (Harry Potter)

The Doctor (Doctor Who)

Campbell Bain (Takin Over the asylum)

Davina (Rab C Nesbitt)

Peter Carlisle (Blackpool)

Giacomo Casanova (Casanova)

Roderick Peterson (Nativity 2)

Simon Yates (The She Goes)

Aiden Hoynes (The Politican's Husband)

Walt Jodell (Camping)

Donald Peterson (Nativity 2)

James Arber (The Decoy Bride)

Arthur Eddington (Einstein and Eddington)

Cale Erendreich (Bad Samaritan)

Jean-François Mercier (Spies of Warsaw)

John Helm (You, Me and Him)

Bonus: Crowley

Michael's masterpost

This is not supposed to be the end! Make a request which character to do next ^^

#good omens extended universe #david tennant #alec hardy #broadchruch #doctor who #10th doctor #14th doctor #peter vincent #fright night #phileas fogg #around the world in 80 days #kilgrave #jessica jones #davina #rab c nesbitt

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vickiabelson · 2 years

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Today, Live @11am PT/ 2pm ET Tim Matheson!

The voice of Jonny Quest, appearances on Leave it to Beaver, in Yours, Mine and Ours, a regular on The Virginian, and Bonanza, appeared on My Three Sons, in the film Magnum Force, and with Kurt Russell in the series, The Quest, it’s Tim's Otter in Animal House that changed his trajectory, recognition, visibility, and won the heart of every woman, and man, I know. Followed by Speilberg’s 1941, Mel Brooks, To Be or Not to Be, Fletch, and loads of other TV and film appearances, Tim had a recurring role as Vice President John Hoynes on The West Wing, where he garnered two Emmy nods, and more recently, This is Us. He’s directed episodes of said show, Third Watch, Ed, The Twilight Zone, Cold Case, Psych The Good Guys, White Collar, Criminal Minds, Suits, and Burn Notice, where he had a recurring role, to name some. He’s done loads more film and TV, working steadily since his very young start.

Tim, along with his business partner Dan Grodnik, bought National Lampoon in 1989 when the magazine was facing financial decline. They took the stock from two dollars to over six dollars and sold it in 1991. Where was I? Playing opposite Ryan Reynolds, Tim played the father of the title character in Van Wilder, inspired by his own character in Animal House. Fun!

Starring as Doc Mullins in the Netflix series Virgin River, Tim’s done double duty directing, and is where you’ll currently find him. I’m binging the just dropped 4th season. Hold my calls!

In spite of his incredibly jammed calendar, and two last-minute additions to his Wednesday, this humble, sweet, real, wonderful, accessible, iconic actor/director is making the time to chat with us. Communicating with Tim the last many weeks to set this up, he’s exceeded all my expectations and is just as fun as that suave, gorgeous Delta frat boy I (we) fell in love with.

Very special thanks to Mark Metcalf for making the introduction and opening this door that I can’t wait to open! We're hitting the interweb early-coffeetime!

Tim Matheson Live on Game Changers With Vicki Abelson

*** Wednesday, 8/3/22, 11 am PT, 2 pm ET***

Streaming Live on my Facebook

Daily by Toni Vincent & @peter_and_paul_ Cartoons

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jurassicpark1990 · 2 years

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i'm a simple person; i see vice president john hoynes and i floor it

#just immediate kill bill sirens #especially because the first time we see him #he's a) speaking french #and b) being rude to cj #i despise him #west wing lb

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