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mischief-lies-and-stories · 7 months

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Why Kid Loki's Backstory in Loki Proves (More Than Anything Else) That the Writers Don't Understand Loki's Character

I've mostly already talked about this in a theory around Kid Loki, but now I'm going in a comic-heavy rant direction with it. Spoilers for Loki, Journey into Mystery, Immortal Thor, King Thor, and possibly more.

So Kid Loki in the show says he's taken in by the TVA for killing Thor. It is not clear whether Thor is also a child at this point in the timeline, or (as in my theory) this is Kid Loki from Journey into Mystery, a Kid Loki from our Loki's future (a future that hasn't happened yet in the main timeline of the MCU). Which would mean that the Thor he kills is an adult (probably. The future MCU option could deviate from Journey into Mystery and mean Thor is also a younger, reincarnated iteration of himself).

In the comics, the closest Kid Loki comes to killing Thor is 1., in Journey into Mystery, when he influences events during a battle to end the bloodshed by helping bring about Thor's sacrifice for the greater good. If he had not died, the battle would have gone on and led to more terrible destruction for Asgard. 2., In AoA, after "Kid Loki" ages up in Young Avengers, when he stabs Thor with Gram in order to free him from Loki's evil future self, who has hitched a ride inside Thor as a symbiote-like parasite.

In JiM, Loki privately and very deeply mourns Thor's death. (He also does so publicly, but in a way to avoid the suspicion of Asgard that he had something to do with Thor's death. But then the Asgardians go away and he's left alone, and he cries.) He knows what needed to be done, but he has lost his brother, his protector, his friend. He loves him. He is often shown throughout JiM to care about Thor. He calls for him instinctively when something he summons turns on him. He tries to make Thor promise to kill him if he goes bad again. He names his dog after him.

In Immortal Thor, we are reminded that Thor sought out Kid Loki, Thor awoke the piece of dormant soul inside him, Thor brought him back to himself and home to Asgard. Kid Loki would never kill Thor. Unless he had to.

Likewise, in King Thor, most of the comic is Loki, armed with the Necrosword, fighting Thor. Yet even here, even influenced by the elder god of the symbiotes themself, he cannot bring himself to annihilate Thor. (Now, he certainly does a good job of trying, even when he isn't as much under All-Black's influence. He makes an effort, I'm not discounting that. I'm not saying he's pretending to kill him, but in the end there's a shift.)

At a certain point, it stops being about Thor vs. Loki and the fight of an Asgardian lifetime. At a certain point, Loki very nearly gives it up, and Thor lets him. Loki says that it's too late, but not for their bond, not for a truce between them. It's too late to end this fight, because Loki has unleashed All-Black back into the universe, and it is too powerful even on its own for Loki to contain or control.

But the important thing here is that Loki stops. He stops fighting Thor. He stops trying to kill him. And when all hope is lost, as All-Black devours them, drowning them in despair and its own viscous, all-consuming darkness, Thor reaches for Loki, and Loki reaches back.

And this is a comic. We can make assumptions based on what we know about these characters, but at the end of the day, this is a comic, a stationary form of visual storytelling. Meaning that the panel portraying this moment does not display the first reaching hand, and so we cannot truly know who reaches for whom first. The important thing is that Loki reaches, too, but he could easily have reached out first.

Therefore, if Loki can reach for his brother, for comfort and peace and a promise of tomorrow, when all hope and light is dying around him, when he's about to die himself in a universe-ending disaster of his own making, centuries and millennia into a future of antagonism and villainy and sibling rivalry played out on a cosmic scale, then why the hell would he ever truly kill Thor as an eleven-year-old?

Aside from the shock factor (for both the main Loki and the viewers), it makes absolutely no sense. And if the writers cannot even comprehend that this would never happen, not in any universe (JiM and King Thor have nothing to do with each other, yet are connected by this one truth), no matter what Loki may claim, then why should they be expected to know anything else about Loki's character?

#of course another question is: is it loki's brother kid loki kills?#thor is also a title for whoever is able to wield mjolnir #but that's a different post #yet another question: why am i still so hung up on this one character's backstory #when i don't think kid loki's ever coming back to the show?#loki #loki tv show #loki comics #loki season 1 spoilers #loki rant #kid loki #journey into mystery kieron gillen #journey into mystery comic #journey into mystery spoilers #king thor spoilers #spoilers for immortal thor #(like one line)

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uservaulty · 17 days

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Lucy and Norm after learning the truth about their father and vaults:

#what a journey #lucy was in Alice in Wonderland mode while norm was in classic compartment-horror-mystery one #fallout prime #fallout tv #fallout spoilers #spoilers #lucy maclean #norman maclean

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teenytinyapprentice · 4 months

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Millionaires' Conspiracy...

for the twitter layton gift exchange 2023 event - my piece for Kyo @tanggalipet - I thought it might be fun to share here as well! ^^

the pose was inspired by this 1941 palm beach suit ad, something about the silly conspiratorial whispering made me think of the overall tone of LMJ hehe

#professor layton #laytons mystery journey #katrielle layton #ernest greeves #sherl oc kholmes #this was fun! lots of characters i havent drawn before jkshdfsdf #and sherl is always rly fun to draw... floppy dog <3 #laytons mystery journey spoilers #like not really but just in case!#teenytinyart

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probablygayattorneys · 9 months

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The Laytons and co + text posts

#professor layton #layton brothers mystery room #layton's mystery journey #layton's mystery tanteisha #hershel layton #anton herzen #lucy baker #alfendi layton #stachenscarfen #emiliana perfetti #katrielle layton #luke triton #marina triton #lmt spoilers #the layton family #queue takumi defense squad

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renegadesstuff · 7 months

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Can we have another one, plz? 🥹🫂🤎

#loki #lokiedit #loki god of mischief #loki odinson #marvel loki #loki laufeyson #loki series #lokius #loki spoilers #loki show #loki season 1 #loki season one #mobius #mobius and loki #loki and mobius #mobius x loki #loki x mobius #1x05 #journey into mystery

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phantomoftheorpheum · 1 year

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I know there are a lot of theories bouncing around that Maddie is still alive and it feels very weird to say this about a character that I genuinely like, but... I hope not? I mean, don't get me wrong, I totally see where the theories are coming from & it would explain why she's so different from the other ghosts, but I also feel like it would really undermine the emotional core of the show for me.

#school spirits #school spirits spoilers #school spirits theories #like if that were the set up of the show (the audience knows she's alive out there somewhere and she's having to try to solve what #happened to her and save herself) then I wouldn't mind it #but I do not like it as a twist #i prefer the show as a murder mystery with an exploration of grief #as opposed to a 'ticking clock' save the main character plot #just thought i should acknowledge this though because it has certainly crossed my mind #i really really dislike dead characters turning out to be alive as a trope though personally- i've seen it done well a couple of times #but to me it almost always just undermines the stakes and cheapens the emotional journey

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metamorphiacreations · 1 year

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maybe its because i havent played Mystery Journey in some years but i feel like the hate towards Katrielle is a bit unfair.

i mean, if my dad dipped to the backrooms when i was 10, and my big brother got click-clack-coma’d when i was 17 i’d feel like the world owes me a shitton too. i would be taking every chance to be the silliest self-proclaimed hero this side of London!

Sekai de ichiban ohime-sama and everything! i think Kats at least a little justified in her behavior! for God’s sake, her grandpa’s a terrorist cut the girl some slack! ajfhd

coupled with the high possibility that she grew up with Al, no Fendi, after Hershel left is it really all that surprising she is the way she is??

#metas stuff #professor layton #layton series #katrielle layton #alfendi layton #layton mystery detective agency #layton mystery journey #katrielle and the millionaire's conspiracy #layton spoilers #just in case

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cola-vampire · 1 year

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It feels so nice to make stuff like this again ngl. Enjoy this chaos...

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personinthepalace · 1 year

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The first thing Constance pulled from the box was a card that read: Happy birthday, my dear! Always remember that the world is your oyster. Affectionately, Mr. Benedict. Constance seemed ready to cry, but she cleared her throat and passed the card roughly to Reynie. She needed several tries to take out her present — it was small and delicate, and Constance had neither patience nor dexterity — but at last she produced a lovely pendant on a slender gold chain. The pendant was a miniature globe, painted in deep greens and blues, with a bright, tiny crystal set into it.

-The Mysterious Benedict Society and the Perilous Journey, by Trenton Lee Stewart

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4ragon · 6 months

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Okay here's my new plot for Layton Mystery Journey Millionaires Conspiracy Or Whatever.

It's the same general structure, with a bunch of cases leading to one finale, and a bunch of cases about the individual millionaires. Sure. Okay. It's not the greatest but that's what the game is and I get that. But make the millionaires Actually Bad People. Like at minimum. Have them actually be the type to steal someone's fortune. Have each case slowly revealing that there's something wrong with these people. Maybe not all of them, maybe have Pipper be grappling with the guilt of the things she's done, and Liza is grappling with the guilt that her parents hurt people to give her an inheritance before they died of parent-itis. I dunno. Some of them can be fine. But overall they're not wonderful paragons of justice and wow how wonderful that these people are rich AND kind.

And Katrielle is solving these cases, and hopefully they'd revamp the cases themselves because they all suck SO HARD but that's beside the point I'm just talking overall here. Katrielle is helping these millionaires, and she can tell they're not great, but she's still finding truths, it's not like the millionaires are the culprits in these crimes they're just kinda shitty people, and also they're rich and powerful and this may finally be her big break, this is everything she's ever wanted, a way to make a name for herself and finally be a real detective.

And Ernest is still his sweet little self but he's also Katrielle's moral compass and the one to be distressed by how shitty these millionaires are, but at the end of the day Katrielle is still solving cases and helping people who actually need it (not the millionaires I cannot stress this enough). And Ernest is still very taken with Katrielle and trusts her implicitly but he's also afraid to confide in her because she wants to use these people to get to the top.

And then you replace Hastings with Emiliana. Hastings can still be the reason she starts getting jobs, but Emiliana is the one Kat's constantly dealing with in every case. Also, dial up Katrielle's eccentricities so that Emiliana's reactions to her make SENSE. Because as it is now, Katrielle is NOT weird enough. She's not zany enough. She's just investigating like a normal person while being a bit silly. Make her weirder!! Make her investigations wacky!! And then have Emiliana and Katrielle build up more of a rapport, more of a real rivalry, make Emiliana trusting Katrielle mean something at the end.

And then at the end, Ernest feels trapped because he's so afraid that Katrielle wouldn't actually help him but he knows these people stole from him and essentially killed his mother so he concocts this plan, but in the end Katrielle stops him from doing anything truly heinous and Emiliana uses her connections to prove that Ernest is the rightful owner of the fortune (get rid of the diamond mine thing please get rid of the diamond mine thing) and some of the millionaires are upset but Pipper and Liza are like No I think this is the right choice let's repent for the bad things we've done.

And also? Get rid of the dog. We don't need the dog. I can't believe I'm saying this, but get rid of the dog. His plot goes nowhere and his personality is flat. If you really want a trio with a straightman, just use Emiliana. It's fun when she does it.

#anyway uh #spoilers #for fucking #layton's mystery journey #katrielle layton #emiliana perfetti #ernest greeves #pl #i'm also debating combining the last two cases into something meaningful but that'd be very complicated and unnecessary

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whoops-im-obsessed · 9 months

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ok idk how people feel about the lmj anime but can we take a minute to discuss how hershel leaving absolutely makes sense for his character? like all the characters are (rightly) telling him he doesn't have to do this, him and kat are already family but he is hell bent on getting her the truth. can you blame him? this is a guy who was basically lied to for his entire life and denied the only family he had only to find out the truth too late when everything had already gone to shit. him doing this for kat absolutely makes sense, he doesn't want that for her.

#quick break from newsie blogging for professor layton lol #professor layton #hershel layton #katrielle layton #layton mystery detective agency #layton mystery journey #azran legacy spoilers #azran legacy

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hereticaas · 6 months

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Okay LAST thing I'm going to say about the Loki finale, but what I really like about this ending (aside from the tragedy of it all) is that it really reemphasizes the idea of Loki as a god, and a crafty god at that.

A god, because he's not just a guy with superpowers (which it kinda felt like at times in season one), he's a strange alien being who's been around for over a thousand years, a deity to some. Crafty, because he made the selfless choice yes, but it was also him breaking the wheel loom; there were only two options but he found a third. That's what Lokis do.

And now he sits on a throne at the center of time, holding the branches of the universe together with his bare hands. Like all things aside, that's just cool tbh

#the journey into mystery of it all #loki #loki spoilers #loki series #god i missed the horns so much lol #jo.txt

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transpoettryinghisbest · 10 months

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If I had a nickel for every time I picked up a tic from a Layton villain who wasn't actually a villain deep down they were just a sad simpy twink, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice, right?

#ernest greeves #lmj spoilers #anton herzen #professor layton and the diabolical box #Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box spoilers #Diabolical Box spoilers #professor layton #layton mystery journey #tourettes syndrome #tic disorder #tourettes tag #actually tourettic

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theriveroflight · 10 months

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katriana fic feat. moral dilemmas, a little bit of crack, and some speculation about just why the people of Chancer Lane could hide Katrielle in case 11.

#professor layton #layton's mystery journey #katriana #katrielle layton #emiliana perfetti #lmj #and some other characters are here too #lmj spoilers #fanfiction #my writing

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probablygayattorneys · 4 months

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