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mischief-lies-and-stories · 7 months

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Why Kid Loki's Backstory in Loki Proves (More Than Anything Else) That the Writers Don't Understand Loki's Character

I've mostly already talked about this in a theory around Kid Loki, but now I'm going in a comic-heavy rant direction with it. Spoilers for Loki, Journey into Mystery, Immortal Thor, King Thor, and possibly more.

So Kid Loki in the show says he's taken in by the TVA for killing Thor. It is not clear whether Thor is also a child at this point in the timeline, or (as in my theory) this is Kid Loki from Journey into Mystery, a Kid Loki from our Loki's future (a future that hasn't happened yet in the main timeline of the MCU). Which would mean that the Thor he kills is an adult (probably. The future MCU option could deviate from Journey into Mystery and mean Thor is also a younger, reincarnated iteration of himself).

In the comics, the closest Kid Loki comes to killing Thor is 1., in Journey into Mystery, when he influences events during a battle to end the bloodshed by helping bring about Thor's sacrifice for the greater good. If he had not died, the battle would have gone on and led to more terrible destruction for Asgard. 2., In AoA, after "Kid Loki" ages up in Young Avengers, when he stabs Thor with Gram in order to free him from Loki's evil future self, who has hitched a ride inside Thor as a symbiote-like parasite.

In JiM, Loki privately and very deeply mourns Thor's death. (He also does so publicly, but in a way to avoid the suspicion of Asgard that he had something to do with Thor's death. But then the Asgardians go away and he's left alone, and he cries.) He knows what needed to be done, but he has lost his brother, his protector, his friend. He loves him. He is often shown throughout JiM to care about Thor. He calls for him instinctively when something he summons turns on him. He tries to make Thor promise to kill him if he goes bad again. He names his dog after him.

In Immortal Thor, we are reminded that Thor sought out Kid Loki, Thor awoke the piece of dormant soul inside him, Thor brought him back to himself and home to Asgard. Kid Loki would never kill Thor. Unless he had to.

Likewise, in King Thor, most of the comic is Loki, armed with the Necrosword, fighting Thor. Yet even here, even influenced by the elder god of the symbiotes themself, he cannot bring himself to annihilate Thor. (Now, he certainly does a good job of trying, even when he isn't as much under All-Black's influence. He makes an effort, I'm not discounting that. I'm not saying he's pretending to kill him, but in the end there's a shift.)

At a certain point, it stops being about Thor vs. Loki and the fight of an Asgardian lifetime. At a certain point, Loki very nearly gives it up, and Thor lets him. Loki says that it's too late, but not for their bond, not for a truce between them. It's too late to end this fight, because Loki has unleashed All-Black back into the universe, and it is too powerful even on its own for Loki to contain or control.

But the important thing here is that Loki stops. He stops fighting Thor. He stops trying to kill him. And when all hope is lost, as All-Black devours them, drowning them in despair and its own viscous, all-consuming darkness, Thor reaches for Loki, and Loki reaches back.

And this is a comic. We can make assumptions based on what we know about these characters, but at the end of the day, this is a comic, a stationary form of visual storytelling. Meaning that the panel portraying this moment does not display the first reaching hand, and so we cannot truly know who reaches for whom first. The important thing is that Loki reaches, too, but he could easily have reached out first.

Therefore, if Loki can reach for his brother, for comfort and peace and a promise of tomorrow, when all hope and light is dying around him, when he's about to die himself in a universe-ending disaster of his own making, centuries and millennia into a future of antagonism and villainy and sibling rivalry played out on a cosmic scale, then why the hell would he ever truly kill Thor as an eleven-year-old?

Aside from the shock factor (for both the main Loki and the viewers), it makes absolutely no sense. And if the writers cannot even comprehend that this would never happen, not in any universe (JiM and King Thor have nothing to do with each other, yet are connected by this one truth), no matter what Loki may claim, then why should they be expected to know anything else about Loki's character?

#of course another question is: is it loki's brother kid loki kills?#thor is also a title for whoever is able to wield mjolnir #but that's a different post #yet another question: why am i still so hung up on this one character's backstory #when i don't think kid loki's ever coming back to the show?#loki #loki tv show #loki comics #loki season 1 spoilers #loki rant #kid loki #journey into mystery kieron gillen #journey into mystery comic #journey into mystery spoilers #king thor spoilers #spoilers for immortal thor #(like one line)

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bearslices · 8 months

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This is how a married couple greet each other after coming home from work

#immortal thor #spoilers #dashingfrost #fandral the dashing #loki #so casual #i love them

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fagdyk · 8 months

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Thor said "trans rights"

#and “Fuck orchis” he told me himself #immortal thor #thor odinson #trans rights #wednesday spoilers

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of-asgaard · 7 months

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!!!!!!!

#loki #loki laufeyson #marvel comics #marvel #loki laufeydottir #loki god of stories #Immortal thor #Spoiler

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vvviktor · 4 months

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Have you seen this trickster?

Look at them!!!!!!!

(Immortal thor #5 2023)

#shout out to the artists giving them the thicccccest thighs in the century #i see your vision i understand your points #loki aoa #loki 616 #loki comics #agent of asgard #the magpie who whispers #immortal thor #the immortal thor spoilers

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farsight-the-char · 7 months

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As a Citizen, as Sibling, As Enemy, Thor trusts Loki.

From The Immortal Thor issue 2.

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"It is the duty of the Storyteller to impede the Hero..."

#loki #loki god of stories #thor #the immortal thor #marvel #wednesday spoilers #thor odinson #immortal thor #al ewing #Loki is basically a cosmic DM for Thor's story #Ewing you madman

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rael-rider · 2 months

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"And in Thor's voice was the passion of the storm... Yet in his mother's voice was the harshness of the living rock Upon which storms break."

The Immortal Thor #7 by Al Ewing and Ibraim Roberson

#thor odinson #the immortal thor #gaea #wednesday spoilers #Ibraim Roberson #Al Ewing

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papermoonknight · 2 months

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The Immortal Thor (2023) Issue 7

#loki #thor #the immortal thor #marvel #marvel comics #wednesday spoilers

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spellbook-gayboy · 1 year

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prompt 20? :]

20.

"Oh, calm down, you drama queen!" Ian yelled, having to almost scream to be heard over the deafening howling that surrounded the pair. "Like I said, it's only a minor-!"

"Yeah, yeah, I heard you!" Kid Thor talked over; his back pressed to the wizard's and his hammer held up in front of him. "'only a minor-level dimensional anomaly'- which is still pretty dangerous when you think about it!"

Ian rolled his eyes so hard he was half-convinced it was audible. "Every day, I am more and more surprised at how much of the world scares people shitless! Maybe if you lot lived a day in my shoes, you'd- shit, duck!" he shouted, pulling his friend down with him into a kneeling position, narrowly avoiding a large chunk of... something flew over their head and smashed into a nearby surface. “Ah, you worry too much, Mike! Besides, management will tack on a nice bonus for this one, and you can get Sarah a nice... actually, what were you planning to use the money for?”

“LA! We were gonna go on a sightseeing tour!” his friend shouted back; his voice slightly distorted by the anomaly swirling around them.

“Jesus, how old are you two?! What’s next, you’re gonna get a mortga...!” the wizard started, trailing off as the howling and warping suddenly died down. “Okay... where the fuck are we?”

The pair had just been in the middle of a busy street when the distortion had flared up, but now they stood in some sort of snowy forest. It was almost picturesque in how crisp and even the pure white snow around them was, and every spruce tree was exactly the same height down to their individual needles. If they hadn’t just been whisked away from home by a tear in the fabric of the cosmos, perhaps it wouldn’t be quite so off-putting. “What the fuck?!” Kid Thor exclaimed, looking around the new environment in bewilderment. “Okay, uh... did you close the thing, Ian?”

“Yeah... and I think that’s what caused this, too. I mean, dimensional anomalies don’t just bend space, they bend time, too. We could be a thousand years in the past, in the future, or at the exact same point we left. Who’s to say?”

Mike groaned, lightly banging his head against his weapon. “Goddammit! The one time I get a day off and I’m trapped in God-Knows-Where, probably a million years away from home, and it’s freezing too!”

“Ahh, come on! We’ve both been through worse than this!” Ian reassured his friend. “Hell, just last week, you took out seven Illithid priests without breaking a sweat! That’s no small feat, even for me! I...”

“You... what?” Mike asked. “Don’t stop praising me just yet, man!”

“Who is that?” Ian said. Kid Thor followed his colleague’s gaze, spotting the figure in question: a thin man, shrouded in black furs and leather, contrasted by both the crimson cloak he wore underneath and the shock of silvery hair he sported that flowed down to his shoulders. He seemed to be lacking an eye, a beaten cloth and leather patch covering the place where it would normally be. He was watching the pair from atop a rocky outcrop at the edge of the clearing they were stood in. He was a complete stranger, but there was something slightly familiar about him, like Mike had met him before.

The man was gone, suddenly vanishing in a cloud of... feathers? “What was that? Who was that?” he asked, an edge of panic taking hold in his voice as he tightened his grip on Mjölnir.

“Definitely still on Earth, at least” Ian spoke, slowly reaching into his scarlet cloak’s folds. “That’s a Seiðr witch, which means we’re both in danger. A lot of danger”

“Oh, calm yourself, bairn!”

The two of them whipped around to see the old man, now just steps away. One thing that could only be seen up close were the litany of scars that covered his head: a jagged cut raked across the bridge of his nose, twin slashes followed the curve of his jaw, and a long and thin cut marked the flesh of his neck. Mike realised what had been so familiar before. “Holy shit... Ian?!”

“Aye?” the other two men said in unison. His colleague’s face twisted into one of surprise at the realisation of who he was looking at. “How is that... that’s not-! H-how old are you?”

The older Ian grumbled, the dour look in his eyes remaining as he answered “By my last count, eighty-three. Come,” he told them, raising an arm to point off in a different direction, “Niflheimr winters are nothing to balk at, even for an Einherjar and a Cambion”.

The two shared a look of confusion. This was turning out to be a long day.

#comics spoiler warning right here #but this is actually connected to the 'mad king immortal' story arc #invincible #invincible show #invincible amazon #invincible oc #🔮🪄#ian cantation #kid Thor invincible #my asks #sequids #writing prompt friday #long post

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jademight · 7 months

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"Many a mortal has died climbing a mountain. Exertion takes its toll. At the end of the ascent, what once seemed little effort can be more than body can stand. Imagine, then, climbing your mountain-- and at the end of the summit, finding a second mountain higher than the first. [...] Have you faced your mountain upon a mountain yet? If you have not, I hope it never comes. But if you have... If you have to face it now... know this. You have the courage of Thor."

#wednesday spoilers #immortal thor 2 just sPITTING bars huh #;ooc tag #IM TRYING THOR IM REALLY TRYIN #anyway [redacted]'s new outfit at the end of the issue. WHY DO THEY HAVE THEIR DOGS OUT?!?!?!?!

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mischief-lies-and-stories · 8 months

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5 Immortal Thor Thoughts

I know common courtesy is to wait a week before posting spoilers. I'm sorry. I'm tagging and putting it under a read more. (And I'm starting to run out of post ideas, so I can't wait a week.)

And here's your additional warning: Spoilers incoming, y'all.

1. "The Gods are creatures of story." When Al Ewing quotes himself it makes me feral. This time it's a good feral, but when he (Doom) referred to Peter Quill as "the lotus lord of the dance" after bestowing that rad as hell title on Loki first, I was pissed.

2. (Red underline by me) Al Ewing isn't even in the realm of fucking around. First mention of Loki and immediately out the gates, Ewing is like, 'Genderfluid Loki rights forever!' And everyone (mostly Thor, but other characters, too) maintain they/them pronouns for Loki throughout. Have I mentioned lately how much I love Al Ewing?

3. When I tell you I shrieked, and loudly! I had wondered if Ewing would hold off bringing Loki in until after the miniseries wrapped up, for continuity, because they're off on their own mission but--

HANG ON, IS THAT A CHIPPED TOOTH?! HELL YEAH, POST-EGO DEATH LOKI IS BACK, BABY!!!

4. I will not ship Fandral/Loki. I will not ship Fandral/Loki. I ship Loki with enough people. AO3 couldn't get me to ship it. The Loki Tumblr tag couldn't get me to ship it. I'll be damned if my favorite author gets me to ship it.

STOP FLIRTING, GODDAMMIT! I am a simple man, all I need is an interaction to make me insufferable for the next six weeks, don't do this to me!

Okay, LISTEN. This is where the real spoilers start. You have been warned.

5. So it's basically established in the introduction to the plot of this arc that Thor is not master of superstorms. That title belongs to a god of gods, Utgard-Thor. (And well, if we've got Utgard-Loki, it stands to reason there'd be an Utgard-Thor.) So as the might of Utgard-Thor starts wreaking havoc across New York, we get a panel of a Roxxon billboard blown down.

WHICH GOT ME THINKING. In the Loki show, when they find out where Sylvie is hiding out, they exit the Timedoor into a catastrophic storm in Haven Hills, outside of a Roxxcart, owned by the Roxxon corporation. Now, the Roxxon billboard itself is not part of this theory, it just made me think of this scene. Anyway, when they get there, Loki almost immediately looks up at the sky, like he's expecting to see Thor. Mobius looks at him, almost like he realizes what Loki's thinking, and then herds him forward, toward the store. This comic made me wonder if Mobius knows something about this storm Loki doesn't. This isn't just any storm; this is a superstorm. And so Thor isn't here. This is Utgard-Thor's doing.

I mean, are you really that surprised my thoughts around a Thor comic are only about Loki?

Bonus:

Look, he just gets it, okay? I can't wait to see what comes next.

#loki #spoilers #spoilers for the immortal thor #the immortal thor #the immortal thor spoilers #immortal thor spoilers #spoilers for immortal thor #comic spoilers #marvel comics #marvel comics spoilers #(I think that might be all the combinations of spoilers tags i can do)#loki theories #genderfluid loki #al ewing

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thenightling · 1 year

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Hob’s canonical appearances

Someone who has only seen the Sandman Netflix series asked me if Hob makes more appearances in The Sandman later on. Warning: This post contains some major Sandman spoilers.

The first time we see Hob Gadling is in the story Men of Good Fortune (combined with the story Sound of her wings in The Sandman Netflix series). This is Chapter 10 in The Sandman audio drama and issue 13 of The Sandman comics.

In this story Hob Gadling became an immortal and started to meet with Morpheus once a century and Hob eventually got Morpheus to admit that they were friends.

The next time we see Hob Gadling it’s during the storyline The Sandman: Season of Mists.

Morpheus has FINALLY realized that he was wrong to leave Nada in Hell and has resigned himself to going back to rescue her but he is very much afraid of Lucifer. Morpheus makes careful preparations in case he does not return from Hell. He even visits Hob in his dreams to have one last drink with his friend.

Hob would later wake up to find the half-finished (and very rare) bottle of wine next to his bed, confirming that it was not just a dream. (in The Sandman it’s NEVER just a dream.)

The next time we see Hob after that is in The Sandman storyline called The Sandman: Worlds’ End where travelers from different time periods and alternate universes gather in an inn located in a nexus of reality and tell stories. Here we are told the story of Hob’s Leviathan. A boy named Jim (revealed later to be a gender nonconforming girl named Peggy) goes out to sea and meets Hob Gadling on the ship. Hob takes Jim / Peggy under his wing and they have a brief encounter with a sea monster. Later when Peggy is older she and Hob meet again and become lovers.

When we see Hob again after that it’s in The Sandman: The Kindly Ones. Hob is mourning a love who died via drunk driver. She had been crossing the street and her name was Audrey. Morpheus meets with Hob for a drink. Morpheus wants to order dark mead but Hob tells him they don’t offer that anymore (obviously this was before the big Thor / Viking fad of 2012 or so. Lots of bars carry mead now). So Hob picks the drink. By now Hob knows he’s friends with The King of Dreams (the audio drama lets that revelation happen much earlier.) When we next see Hob it’s in The Sandman: The Wake. He’s devastated to learn that Morpheus is dead and attends his wake in The Dreaming. Some months later Hob has a dream of his friend, a dream that Neil Gaiman has cryptically confirmed “It’s never just a dream.” In the dream Destruction (who Hob only knew as a lousy street artist) and Morpheus are on a shore and they walk into the sunset. There are some hints that Morpheus may be spending his afterlife in Hob’s dreams as a dream entity.

#Hob Gadling #Robert Gadling #The Sandman #Sandman #Dream of The Endless #Morpheus #Dreamling

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positivelybeastly · 1 month

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X-Force #50

All right, well, we finally did it, gang. We hit the big 5-0, and it's all done. And guess what?

It's all up hill from here! Wednesday spoilers below the cut, and . . . quite a lot of rambling? If I'm honest?

So, we open up on X-Force trying to kill good Hank and Simon, because they are dumb, despite Kid Omega and Sage asserting their genius. They blow up their little gay boat of love, and our intrepid heroes get pitched into the drink.

So . . . this is . . .

Why is Simon wearing a rebreather/oxygen tank?

Dear reader, I implore you to open this link, and scroll down to Simon Williams' powers and abilities.

Immortality: Williams is functionally immortal. Because of the ionic energy that empowers him, he no longer ages and is immune to disease and infection. This same energy sustains Williams' physical vitality far more efficiently than the biochemical process that sustain ordinary human life.

Self-Sustenance As a result of his transformation he no longer requires food, sleep, water or oxygen to survive. Simon is now a fully energized entity who can sustain himself indefinitely without nourishment, easily able to live outside habitable planet orbit.

Benjamin Percy, writer; Drew Baumgartner, Assistant Editor; Mark Basso, Editor; Jordan D. White, Senior Editor.

All four of these men are incapable of Googling basic facts about a character that Marvel has owned and been using since the 1960s. Basic facts that are available if you do so much as a basic skim of the man's Wiki page.

So, why is Simon wearing a rebreather/oxygen tank? So that evil Beast can destroy it and send Simon up to the surface, and good Beast and evil Beast can talk uninterrupted. That's the only actual reason. This is laziness from both an editorial and a writing standpoint, since you could have easily just had evil Beast use some kind of gadget to achieve the same effect, but don't worry! This won't be the most egregious lack of attention to detail this issue!

Yaaaaaay . . .

"My Beast," huh, Simon?

Gay.

Also, this scene makes X-Force look fucking pathetic, because Simon could literally wipe the floor with every one of them and not break a sweat. Simon 'my fists are LITERALLY as strong as Thor's hammer' Williams has nothing to fear from fucking Omega Red. His pacifism is the only thing keeping you from looking even stupider than you already do.

Orchis attacks to give the rest of X-Force something to do. I don't care.

But we do get this funny fuckin' shit.

Tie him up?

Logan, did you forget the last time you fought Simon? Or the time before that?

Anyway, the Beasts talk. It's not a particularly interesting conversation, for the most part.

God, this plan is just so fucking stupid.

But.

There is one moment that actually kinda works.

It's really funny to me that two of the worst Beast writers of all time, Brian Michael Bendis and Benjamin Percy, both managed to grok this essential fact - Hank McCoy loved being this version of Hank McCoy.

He was happy.

He was comfortable.

He was loved.

Feline Hank, as much as I love him, as much as he's my favourite iteration of the character, was never happy in his skin. How could he be? It wasn't something he chose, it was forced upon him. To save his life.

Well, what if he didn't want to be saved? What if he felt his life was so miserable that he might've thought, perhaps I should just let it all end?

He had moments, sure. But he never really escaped this feeling. This fear, this anxiety, this trauma, this pain. He carried it with him for the rest of his life. Just constant trauma, death, misery, regret, mistakes, chances not taken, failures.

But he would never be the same again. It's funny. He's the version I love most, but he's the version of Hank who could never love himself.

Which . . . is partly why it bugs me when people say Hank has internalised mutantphobia. Like, he kinda does, but I honestly don't really feel like it's quite that simple. He's comfortable in his simian form, he loves it, he only very occasionally angsts about it, he is happy. It's when he turns feline that he hates his mutant 'gift,' because now he has to worry about what might come next.

This is not the same as, I hate my mutant powers because they make my life inconvenient, because it means people hate and fear me. He can deal with that. He's been dealing with that since he was seventeen and nearly beaten to death by an angry mob for saving a child.

This is, I hate my mutant powers because they are turning me into something less than human or mutant. Because I am a danger. Because I am in danger.

And his fears are validated. He nearly kills Blindfold and Armour. He eats Logan's leg, tastes human flesh. He spends the last seven issues of Whedon's Astonishing X-Men with the taste of human skin and meat on his lips. How the fuck is he meant to be happy like this?

Anyway, back to X-Force. The two Beasts fight. Orchis shit happens.

Fuck off, Logan. Stop acting like you're at all relevant to proceedings.

Gay.

"X-Force ain't the ones you root for. But we get the dirty jobs done."

You didn't fucking do anything.

Hank and Simon could have fixed this entire mess without you. The only reason you were fighting a Sentinel was because you drew it to your location with your jet, firing at a gay little blue man and his fruity ionic boyfriend! You didn't contribute anything!

And then, as if to cap it all off . . .

What a self-aggrandising load of wank.

Hey, what was Colossus' plot arc through this series?

He spent 5 years being mind controlled and killed his girlfriend.

What was Domino's plot arc through this series?

Well, she got hurt a lot. There was that one time she got skinned. That was fun.

What was Laura Kinney's plot arc through this series?

There were entire issues where she didn't speak a fucking word.

You had.

50.

ISSUES.

And this is the best you could come up with?

"The plan was always for the war without to lead to the war within these two characters."

Is that why Wonder Man was more important to the climax of your book than Logan?

Go step on a fucking Lego, Ben.

This was allegedly a run all about black ops wetwork, the sacrifice of your soul to the harsh work that protecting your country requires, the inexorable slide towards moral degradation that comes from compromise.

It ended with a blue man in a stupid plant suit sacrificing himself to save a D-list actor from a bomb that would have crushed Mars into a pocket dimension, all so that his clone can go and become roommates with said D-list actor.

Ben Percy, of all the writers the X-office has welcomed into its midst, you were certainly one of them.

I just . . . this was what was worth jettisoning 40 years of Hank McCoy's personal history for? This cockamamie bullshit? This excuse for you to whip your dick out and pretend you're Larry Hama, when you can barely measure up to Chuck Austen?

Also, Jonathan Hickman, you're kind of on my shitlist for this, too. You may write a halfway decent comic book every now and then - and make no mistake, they're mostly halfway decent, I think he scrapes greatness with his ideas, but his execution is. Dry.

But that's better than his eye for talent, clearly.

I hate being negative. I feel guilty every time. I don't enjoy it. I hate to dwell. I hate to spiral. I hate to obsess over things.

But X-Force is just . . .

X-Force was, just shit. I will go to my grave telling anyone who'll listen that it's not worth reading.

"It'll read better in trades!" No, it won't.

"It has such a good team!" If you burn a pie made of good ingredients, you still have a burnt pie to eat.

"The art is so good!" And if you put sprinkles in a toilet bowl, it's still a toilet. It just looks prettier now.

Oh, and just in case anyone from Marvel ever reads this - they won't, they only hang around on Twitter so people can jerk off about the panels they write explicitly to be shared by the X-stans - I've pirated every comic I've read in the last 10 years. Every issue of X-Force? Pirated. All these caps? Pirated. Every time someone asks me where to read comics, what to read? Pirate links.

I didn't pay a dime for this series. I still feel like I got ripped off.

I almost can't believe it's over . . . what am I going to do with my life now that I don't have X-Force to complain about?

Oh, yeah. I can just read good comics. Nearly forgot about that.

But hey. That leads me to . . . I don't know, I guess, the end of an era.

Because Hank didn't get his memories back. Maybe he will in the future, but I don't have faith that there's anyone at Marvel that feels this strongly about Beast, so I doubt it. I need to write this down, anyway, for the catharsis. It'll help me say goodbye.

Rest in peace, Hank McCoy, 1985-2018.

You were the Beast I fell in love with. You were the man who taught me to be gentle when the world was unkind. You were the man who taught me that sometimes you don't have to love the body you're in, you just have to want to keep on going, because it can get better. There's always that chance. You were the man who led me to my boyfriend of 12 years, who I love more dearly than anything else on the planet. You were my friend when I didn't have many, and you've helped me make a lot of friends I quite appreciate. People I'm proud to know.

You're gone now. A lot of people aren't going to mourn you. They don't appreciate what was lost. But that's okay. I'll tell anyone who'll listen how brilliant you were. I'll try not to hold it against the version of you I'm left with, that he isn't you. He was you once. He could be like you again. Maybe better. I'd like that. I hope that's the case.

I'll keep writing you. I honestly don't think I could ever stop.

I'll try my best not to be sad that you're gone.

I'll try my best to instead be simply glad that you happened.