#soulless!jack

[fandom-hoarder]

Sam and Jack both having a hallucifer tho

#spn parallels #spn rewatch #spn s14 #soulless!jack #postmary!jack #hallucifer!jack #hallucifer!sam #hallucifer

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#I’d like to clarify second one is soulless!sam #spn #supernatural #castiel #dean winchester #jack kline #sam winchester #jimmy novak #donatello spn #destiel #spn text posts

[quietwingsinthesky]

i really don’t buy any argument that goes ‘soulless sam doesn’t matter as much as souled sam’ because like. he is literally just a guy with some empathy issues. i cannot emphasize enough how much soulless sam is not an object except in how the show ends up treating him; he is literally. just a guy.

#and i mean if we follow this line of logic what does that mean about idk soulless jack? or whats his face. donatello? #actually what am i saying supernatural itself was Not interested in the nuances of soullessness #but I am damnit. i am. and that was literally just a guy. #this is because of the neurodivergence yes but. but.

[notalawyerdude]

Absolutely screaming at the screen when Sam doesn't just fucking TALK TO JACK about the experience of losing, not having, and regaining a soul!!!!

He is the ONLY person who could understand because he went through the exact same situation!!

Jack needed comfort guidance and information about it, and Sam could have done that! It feels so out of character that he didn't.

#supernatural #sam Winchester #jack kline #spn s14 #spn s15 #soulless sam #sam and jack #jack kline deserves better #mi teroso mon étoile

[angelsdean]

the thing is, jack literally is not a toddler. like i am all for baby jack AUs and headcanons but in canon he is not a baby in an adult body. the narrative does not treat him as a toddler. they settle this debate in jack's second (2nd) episode when jack is mimicking dean (bc he imprinted on him like a baby duck) and he goes to drink a beer and they let him because he's not actually a baby despite being new to the world. it's the same as when amara is born and grows up fast. she is not still a baby when, a very short time later, she is in her fully adult form. jack is a young adult, who yes is a bit naive and learning abt the world, but it's more on par with like angels being new to the world and learning abt humanity, (like cas.)

jack is also an incredibly powerful being! he is literally thee most powerful being on earth, more powerful than any archangel, and only second in power to chuck-amara. and chuck fears him. especially when jack goes soulless. everything that happens in Moriah is because chuck is angling for them to do away with his jack-problem. he's moving the pieces on the board, fueling tfw's (yes all of them) already uneasy feelings about soulless jack and telling them thee Only way to stop jack is to kill him. chuck also establishes that he's a writer and writers lie early on in the episode. then he tells them there's no way to save jack, only kill him. that chuck's hands are tied and restoring souls is beyond his abilities (he literally created souls !! he's GOD !!). he's literally lying to them thee whole time. and it all gets revealed when sam realizes chuck IS scared of jack and that he knows where jack and dean are and that everything is going according to plan and that he's enjoying it. and then dean does something chuck doesn't expect, he doesn't go through with what chuck wants him to do! he disrupts the narrative ! he chooses free will!!! he will not kill his kid. he won't do it. he throws the gun away because he can't do it. jack, very much like dean during the michael arc, is prepared to die if it's for the greater good.

like i said before, jack mimics dean. jack loves dean. jack learned so much from dean's example. (also, an aside but. dean and jack do so much bonding off screen. just from the references to their movie watching alone-- they've watched the lost boys 36 times--it's clear they've spent a lot of time together). anyways, jack learns a lot from dean and he and dean both feel similarly re: sacrifice. jack thinks the same about sacrificing dean during the michael arc, he tells cas it doesn't matter if they can't save dean if it means ridding the world from the danger of michael. similarly, soulless jack IS a threat to the world because he is thee most powerful being in the world after god and right now he is behaving unpredictably. they are right to be afraid of him (and yes they love him, but all of tfw currently fears him.) still, despite dean and jack sharing these similar views, neither of them could follow through with killing the other when it comes down to it.

anyway, all some people want to remember abt 14x20 / jack's soulless arc is dean pointing a gun at jack / putting him in the box but literally dean cannot and does not kill jack and actively goes against god's manipulation. additionally, jack is not a baby who just made a mistake and everyone is overreacting. of course he didn't mean to kill mary, but they are not irrational for being afraid of jack, who is an extremely powerful supernatural being who currently is behaving erratically and where loss of control results in fatal consequences for others. like they are Right to want to take precautions and find a solution to protect the world from jack who at the moment is very much like a bomb that could go off on a whim. also this IS a supernatural fantasy show, like that context matters. they are not putting their literal baby in a box for, like spilling orange juice. they are trying to deal with a supernatural threat on the "dealing with supernatural threats" show. cas even suggests putting jack in the cage / binding jack. they are all afraid of him and looking for a solution until they can figure out a way to save him. and the only reason anyone starts talking about killing jack is when chuck is the one to suggest it as Thee Only Option (because again, it's what chuck wants to happen)

#yea sorry courtney's anons sparked a fire in me #anyways. tldr: #jack is not a baby or a toddler. the narrative does not treat him as a helpless child. #he IS an incredibly powerful supernatural being and they ARE right to fear him #and ALL of tfw was afraid of him during his soulless arc and all of them were on board w/ finding ways to contain him #until they could restore his soul #and it's only once chuck starts playing puppeteer that anyone starts talking abt KILLING jack. and even then. in the end. dean cannot do it #stop acting like jack was a literal helpless baby being pushed around by ~mean dean~ #jack could've flatten dean like a bug. but he doesn't. bc he loves dean. that's his dad. (he has more dads than most) #mymeta #jack studies #yea can we get some jack studies up in here !! some nuance and complexity for jack pls !!

[soullessjack]

the soulless jack “arc” is both very horrifically sad and very horrifically funny bc on one side everybody is freaking out panicking brandishing weapons thinking that jack went dark side slash rogue slash awol or that he finally succumbed to his dominant evil genetics and betrayed them or something , meanwhile jack on the other side is almost-crying and panicking and hallucinating and literally punching the air because he’s so upset and confused about what he did and afraid that he’s gonna lose everything if he can’t fix it . like

Bobby: yerp he’s too outta control and sick I’m sorry I fought alongside him too but we gotta put the dog down boys he clearly chose his side and was obviously genetically predisposed to being evil anyways. I’m gonna get my gun

Jack: IF I DONT BRING HER BACK AND FIX THIS I AM NEVER FUCKING SEEING THEM AGAIN AND THEY’LL NEVER WANNA BE FRIENDS AGAIN I DONT KNOW WHAT TO FUCKING DO I JUST WANT MY MOM I JUST WANNA GO HOME I AND HAVE EVERYTHING BE LIKE IT WAS PLEASE GOD

#I am plagued with thoughts of soulless jack tonight #cal.txt #spn #jack kline #sam winchester #dean winchester #castiel #tfw2.0 #spn 14x18 #spn 14x17 #save me spn rewatch that I’m never starting …. save me …. #save me jack kline or Perhaps I need to save you from being in a bad show #save me unattainable dreams of an idw comic spinoff or sequel or animate crossovers that feature jack in fuller length and more complexity #I need to take a break from this it’s silent hill time #my boy was Stressing he was literally psychotic with grief and guilt and Bobby is like . ‘hm yeap. he got evil rabies now’ #he’s sooooooooo #explodes #spn shitposts

[butchdykekondraki]

iirc jack kennedy is Also a play on jfk being referred to as jack kennedy as well. which makes this worse

#his name is also a play on jack-o-lanterns since hes. orange. and has that weird soulless grin and glowing eyes #speaking.mp4

[scoobydoodean]

I see this held up as major proof of Dean's badness, but couldn't it also be proof of Cas having faith Dean can get past anything without Cas having to change his behavior? The way it's structured the onus is on DEAN to work through it, not others to change or make amends. ---- CASTIEL: You know, Dean, he – he feels things more acutely than any human I've ever known. So it's possible he could work through this. One day, he may explode and let it all out and breathe deeply and move on.

I see what you mean in a general sense, and it's extremely possible that Cas is thinking about his own past fights with Dean and Dean forgiving him, and from the perspective of the critique you have in mind that you're refuting, I agree. But of course deancrit casgirls will forever insist that Cas has never in his life done anything harmful to Dean either accidentally or on purpose, so any time Dean might dare try to hold him accountable for anything, he's actually just making shit up and being toxic and controlling, so here Cas is just apologizing for his own abusive relationship. You can only get their take by being deliberately obtuse/disingenuous.

That said, the context of that line (from 15.13 "Destinty's Child") is Cas answering soulless Jack's question about whether Dean will eventually forgive him for murdering Mary.

CASTIEL: Hey, Jack. JACK: Cas, you know what's good about being dead? CASTIEL: Uh, as I recall, very little. JACK: Well, when you come back, you – you really get into all that life is. Hot, cold, sweet, spicy, funny, scary. CASTIEL: And are you? "Into it"? JACK: I want to be. But I don't... feel things the way I used to. Before I lost my... CASTIEL: Your soul. JACK: I used to feel things. In my bones. It was glorious, and sometimes unbearable. But I felt them. Now, I understand joy or sadness, but... I know those things aren't in me. I understand why Sam and Dean were angered by what happened to Mary... CASTIEL: By what you did to Mary. JACK: Yes. I see that I've caused them pain. And it's clear that things have changed. Especially with – with Dean. Will he ever forgive me? CASTIEL: You know, Dean, he – he feels things more acutely than any human I've ever known. So it's possible he could work through this. One day, he may explode and let it all out and breathe deeply and move on. JACK: How long will that take? CASTIEL: I don't know.

And yeah—I have seen people refer to Cas's little speech here as "condoning child abuse" and other bullshit. Because how DARE Dean not forgive soulless Jack for murdering his mother (something soulless Jack is unable to actually really acknowledge he did). I mean clearly any time someone murders your mom because she made them mad and threatened their sense of security by asking if they're okay and saying their concerning actions can’t stay a secret… That’s just natural understandable stuff! You need to forgive the person who murdered her instantly and if you don’t idk you’re kinda overreacting don’t you think? :/ I mean your mom probably deserved it kind of anyway for reading the room so wrong and talking about getting a person help. And I mean if you don't forgive the person who killed your mom or do anything trying to stop them from hurting more people you're really a child abuser... toward an adult... who murdered your mother in cold blood and is unable to even understand why it was wrong in any sense other than an intellectual one like he read it from a book... preferring to refer to it as "What happened to Mary" instead of acknowledge it as something he himself did because he was mad and felt threatened—which is what he circled back to in "Jack In The Box" too. It's only when Jack gets his soul back that he's able to actually feel true empathy, acknowledge his real actions and the gravity of them, and give an actual sincere apology. Because his soul is actually important—something this fandom refuses, by and large, to notice.

Anyway, this fandom's take on Mary's murder and soulless Jack vs. regular Jack is overwhelmingly a bag of wet third grader vomit and feces so what can one expect?

#mail #soulless jack killing mary is popularly regarded as an accident... but it's pretty transparent that it wasn't? #or rather it was on purpose but he regretted it the second after it happened. but that is still. Something he chose to do. Not an accident. #He saw her as a threat to his relationship with Sam and Dean and he acted. #This is indicated right before he kills her. He admits it outright also right before calling it an accident which unravels that whole idea. #It wasn’t pre-meditated but in that moment he wanted her to die. She was going to tell everyone there was something wrong with him. #And he did not want that. #It wasn't an accident and he can't handle his own culpability because it threatens his belief that he can make things be the way they were #before it happened. Which is why he killed her to begin with! He didn't want anyone to know/think anything was wrong with him! #And just like soulless Jack just wants everyone to forget about it and act like nothing happened and he's fine... #Many fans want Dean to forget about it. They want Dean to believe and say and feel and think that Mary did not matter. #And that being upset at her literal murder (even if it was an accident—which it was not) is bad and evil. #And Sam's great capacity for numbness (which we already saw in season 13) strengthen's their own lack of empathy for Dean #in a situation that in real life they would understand unless they're actual psychopaths. #It's only because Dean is a character in a narrative representing the need/capacity to be loved and accepted at all #that these demands that his thoughts and feelings bend to everyone else's emotional needs become so disturbingly intrusive #dont feed the stans after midnight #and cas is my best friend #hot girl cas

[esteemed-excellency]

For @hurdygurdywizard, who asked about guilt and secret (I couldn't edit the ask sorry)

guilt: What is your OC guilty about? How do they handle their guilt? Do they try to avoid guilt, or do they accept it?

Hiram is SO guilty but he's too self absorbed to be remorseful. He's confident he can manage whatever comes his way and in those rare instances when he has a "oh god what have I done" moment, it's not because he feels guilty but because he should've predicted better outcomes for his actions. He admits to be unapologetically fallible, but never guilty. He will admit to be "a bit sorry" only if he has to.

Here's a short non-comprehensive list of things he should be a bit sorry about:

secret: What's one secret your OC never wants anyone to know about them?

answered here

#i always try to think about how soullessness impacts his characterisation but for some thinkgs he's just Like That #soul or no soul #this is what happens when you're too curious about horror stories and you end up with a disastrous character #“wow I wonder how the jack of smiles story is written” oop all murder #hiram hargrave #oc asks #death mention #death mention tw #death mention cw

[blue-chimera]

Ok, let me start this thing then!! *Cracks knuckles*

Four questions for you!

Favorite secondary character?

Who do you think died too soon?

Best case episode

If you could change one thing from supernatural...

Oh, yay! This is wonderful, thank you.

Fave would have to be Benny, I guess. I'm a sucker for that Southern charm & swagger. Good ol' boy kindness but he's also a killer? Sign me up. Add in the whole "losing the fight against his bloodlust" + "abandoned by his comrade-in-arms" (looking at you here, Dean) and then, finally, "sacrifices himself heroically"? Not once but twice? Yeah, I'm here for that. (A very close runner-up would be tough, no-nonsense Ellen Harvelle, though. Or Donna!)

Victor Henriksen died waaay too soon. He was smart, charismatic, scary as hell, & just an all-around badass. I actually wanted to see him dogging the trail of the Winchesters a lot longer. (Although he would've be awesome as an ally, too!)

Hmm... Gonna exclude Nightshifter & Folsom Prison Blues just so I can talk about something other than how awesome Agent Henriksen was again. Also, funny episodes always trump non-funny ones, so I'm gonna set those aside, too, and go for straight "interesting case dynamics unfolding over the course of the episode" with S6:E13's "Unforgiven" (the one where Sam is having flashbacks to stuff that Soulless!Sam did on that same case while they're trying to solve it). I'm usually biggest into mytharc episodes, but the personal aspects tying into the case just upped the stakes like crazy there.

If I could change one thing about Supernatural... Ugh. That's so hard. I've written before about how the 40-minute, 22-episode-season format limited the writers' ability to dive deeper into some of the personal character drama stuff. (But, conversely, a streaming-length season would've been limiting in other ways, as the Supernatural Then & Now podcast recently touched on a couple of times, most notably in their interviews with Robert Wisdom & Kurt Fuller.) Sooo... if I could only change one thing, it'd have to be a structural thing, not a singular plot point or character arc. And I wouldn't nix the existing format, because doing so would make it a very different show (like, I don't think we'd recognize that version of Supernatural at all), but I would give the show a double-length episode every season at the mid-season or end-of-season finale. That would give the writers enough breathing room to actually deal with some of the personal/emotional aspects of the story that occasionally got dropped just cuz they couldn't fit it in. They could resolve (or at least flesh out) things like the false voicemail in season 4; show what happened to the Samulet after it revealed God; explore Sam's headspace more between seasons 7 & 8; have some consequences to Dean's drinking; and actually show us more of the relationship-building/relationship-repairing that went on between Dean & Mary and (especially after her death) Dean & Jack. [It's implied, but IMO, it really needs to be seen.]

(That last answer is a bit of a cheat, sorry! If I had to pick one in-story thing to change, I guess I'd go with giving more time to Dean & Jack's relationship. Sam had enough history with Dean that anything unresolved between them was eventually overwritten/rebalanced with enough good things to basically set them straight, but Dean's time with Jack was so limited that every misstep there, every time Dean played out his intergenerational trauma by taking his anger out on Jack, man, it was like a knife to the chest. And I think Jack got it, y'know? Eventually, at least. He figured out that some of that anger was just Dean struggling with his pain. But, yeah... I'd give a lot to have been able to see them getting to a place of peace together.)

#dean winchester #sam winchester #jack kline #jack #mary winchester #benny lafitte #benny #victor henriksen #soulless!sam #ellen harvelle #donna #donna hanscum #spn #asks #answers #commentary

[hudbannonarchive]

soulless sam is also interesting to me in the ways you can compare him to other characters on the show who become soulless. i’m looking at donatello specifically bc for the most part soullessness does not seem to have any averse effect on him which is 100% the result of bad writing but is fascinating because like. conceptually soullessness was introduced into the show to turn sam into the perfect hunter (and in doing so reveal how far from that his character normally is - for the better) but then characters who were not hunters begin to lose their souls so they had to write around that which in turn speaks to the specific circumstances of sam’s character. which is something they play with in s6 but is deepened by the later interactions with soullessness as a concept. sticking to s6 you get dean’s line about soulless sam “now i’m worried he’s just acting like me” which (and i kind of hate to say this bc it sounds like woobification altho when have i ever been afraid of that) speaks to the fact that sam is remarkably compassionate and emotionally intelligent for someone raised in the environment he was. and you can see this plainly in how dissimilar he is to other hunters on the show, but it really becomes clear in s6 with the loss of his soul like. it’s not just that soulless sam IS a better hunter it’s that for for him soullessness exists as a function to MAKE him one. he no longer needs sleep he no longer feels compassion for others. things that once barred him from doing the job effectively are no longer an issue. i feel like spn often plays with the question of nature vs nurture in a really stupid way but this is one of the more compelling uses of it to me bc he is quite literally stripped of his nature and when they leave him with just his nuture, how he was raised, we get a character so different some people actually refuse to acknowledge they are the same person.

#i just love that soulless sam is like. how a person can be warped through removal. the show never does that #whenever they want to alter a character otherwise it’s through some kind of additive #there’s also something really easy to be said here about how jack was raised #and that when he is soulless his greatest crimes are like. killing people bc he fears either the rejection of salmondean or for his life #but that i REALLY can’t get into bc i WILL NOT rewatch s14 bc it WILL make me insane again #*

[fandom-hoarder]

Cas trusting Jack to Heaven's guidance 🙃

Dean: I'm really sick of always being right

#spn rewatch #spn s14 #spn: jack in the box #soulless!jack #heaven can totally be trusted it's FINE

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[samanddean76]

Master Post for Kinktober 2023 Fics by SamandDean76 on Ao3

Oct 1st - Call Me Anytime - Phone Sex - Dom Sam/Sub Dean

Oct 2nd - Dreams Given Form - Size Kink - Sam/Dean

Oct 3rd - Baby (Boy) Doll - Panty Kink - Sam/Dean

Oct 4th - What Can I Get For You? - Exhibitionism - Sam/Dean

Oct 5th - One Night Angel - One Night Stand - Gabriel/Sam

Oct 6th - The Devil Is In The Details - Cock Cages - Jack/Demon Dean

Oct 7th - Backroad Memories - Cockwarming - Sam/Dean

Oct 8th - What Have We Here? - Piercings - Sam/Dean

Oct 9th - Not An Ordinary Sacrifice - Bestiality - Human Sam/Wolf Dean

Oct 10th - His Perfectly Good Boy - Wing Kink & Praise Kink - Gabriel/Sam

Oct 11th - Don't Speak - Deepthroating - Boy King Of Hell Sam/Consort To The Ruler Of Hell Dean

Oct 12th - Alas, Such A Pity - Felching - Endverse Castiel/Dean

Oct 13th - For Always? - Spitroasting - Omega Jimmy/Alpha Dean/Alpha Sam

Oct 13th - Two Is Better Than One - Spitroasting - Sam/Dean/Clay Miller

Oct 14th - Feels So Good - Sensation Play - Sub Sam/Dom Dean

Oct 15th - Keep Your Hands To Yourself - Lapdance - Sam/Dean

Oct 16th - Holding His Sammy Tight - Cuddling - Sam/Dean

Oct 17th - Wicked Games - Role Play - Sam/Dean

Oct 18th - An Evening Out - Bondage - Dom Sam Wesson/Sub Dean Smith

Oct 19th - See That You Do - Striptease - Sam/Dean

Oct 20th - To Love, Honor, & Cherish - Impregnation - Omega Castiel/Omega Gabriel/ Alpha Sam

Oct 21st - The Ride Of His Life - 69 - Sam Campbell/Dean Winchester

Oct 22nd - Bold Words - Edging - Sam/Lucifer

Oct 23rd - Don't Torture Him - BDSM - Dom Jimmy/Sub Dean/Dom Sam

Oct 24th - Teacher's Pet - Mpreg - Omega Castiel/Alpha Sam

Oct 25th - Educational Channels - Daddy Kink - Jack/Dean

Oct 26th - Unexpected Complications - Fuck-Or-Die - Alpha John/Omega Sam

Oct 27th - Shush Now - Gags - Soulless Sam/Dean

Oct 28th - Do You Take This Archangel - Wedding Night - Gabriel/Sam

Oct 29th - Win/Win - Coming Untouched - Sam/Dean

Oct 30th - Negotiations - Grace Kink - Boy King Of Hell Sam/Angel Dean

Oct 31st - Not Their First Lifetime Together - Free Space - Jensen/Jared

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[shinelikethunder]

imagine a version of SPN s6 where soulless!Sam succeeds in killing Bobby, gets re-souled and spends a few episodes feeling terrible about it but mostly because he's afraid Dean will never forgive him, and then immediately eats enough radiation from Soul Chernobyl to depose Godstiel and usurp the throne of heaven

now consider original-flavor Godstiel, who is trying to fix the world with what amounts to a raging case of the If You People Would Onlies, a sheltered autistic teenager's understanding of what makes humans tick, a convert's zeal for the concept of free will with all the nuance of an undergrad who just got into Ayn Rand, several millennia of abstract knowledge of the world, and a reasonable command of his existing angel powers....... and replace him with a rambunctious golden retriever puppy with barely-controlled godlike powers and the emotional maturity & world knowledge of a six-year-old, who was parented by Winchesters and keeps getting people mortally injured in desperate bids for approval

now look me in the eye and tell me that Jack's s15 arc is anything but HILARIOUS and INSANE as a way to Fix Heaven and give the SPNverse a stable semi-optimistic ending. as opposed to a way to replace their Chuck problem with a brand-new, MUCH more exciting set of problems

("i guess if you stick to your plan to stay hands-off it might work, but how is that NOT a return to the eternal absent father-god in whose name all manner of atrocities, abuses of power, and ill-conceived bloodthirsty crusades can be justified?"

"because my vibes will be with you... always.")

#supernatural #meta #jack kline #chuck shurley #spn s15 #inherit the earth #spn s6 #soulless!sam #godstiel #castiel #sorry guys i just. i cannot take s15 seriously. first of all because it is VERY silly and does not exactly invite coherent readings #and second of all because any attempt to IMPOSE coherence on it carries a nonzero risk of me taking out a hit on andrew dabb #however. when i tell you. that reader i SCREAMED when i realized it was the world's most bugfuck insane remix of late s6-- #shine watches spn

[angelsdean]

seeing a post that gets some things right (interesting complex john thoughts) but other parts dead wrong (bad dean takes) has me like *eye twitch*

#reducing a complicated plot to dean hates all monsters and thinks every monster needs to be killed is um. first of all not even canon #do i need to bring out all the posts abt dean's monster ethics and how he thinks a monster is someone who hurts / kills innocent ppl #and that definition includes humans who do monstrous things too (a theme explored in multiple episodes in s1 !!!!) #but anyways. no he did not think jack should be killed bc he was ~not human~ he thought jack was a Dangerous supernatural being #since ya know. he Was. literally thee most powerful being after god / amara. and they had no idea what he might do. he was not their Baby #or their Kid yet. he was a stranger. a strange new supernatural being that they might have to stop. #s12 finale literally leaves off on a cliffhanger positioning jack to potentially be the new 'Big Bad' #so he's a stranger AND the son of lucifer (they had no idea how that would affect jack yet) AND he seemingly brainwashed cas and kelly #bc remember cas was all about Free Will and Choice and Fuck Heaven / Paradise / Peace #and then suddenly he's going against his core beliefs talking abt paradise on earth and jack needing to fulfill his Destiny like ??? #i'd be sus af too if i were dean #dean had no reason to trust jack right off the bat. 'oh but he should've trusted him bc cas did' ok and cas is dead now so ?? #then there's the soulless jack stuff which is a whole other complicated beast. and dean was not the only one trying to stop jack then eithe #but anyways. no you cannot reduce dean's complex feelings abt jack to simply 'lol dean hates monsters and wants them all dead' #he doesn't. half his family and friends are literally monsters. anyways. #vic.txt