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itsoneofthemuses · 11 months

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Thank you for answering my ask and posting your thoughts! I can definitely provide some more questions. I was inspired by the response and I have lots more thoughts :D I wrote way too much so feel free to divide up the different sections and post it however you like and answer only what you want.

All those examples you wrote about are so great. I love to see characters who are sometimes led by their emotions and then they use their head afterwards. I think it also tells us a lot of what is important to Lucy and why she sometimes loses her cool a bit. And I love that Lucy can act immature at times, but that does not mean she is immature. That she can react with anger when people opposes her, but that does not mean she gets angry every time someone disagrees with her. This makes her a very relatable character who is interesting to follow.

I agree that Lucy seems to be all over the place in season 4. She agrees to be Tim’s aide and I know others have written about that as she needing stability after Jackson’s death and I can definitely understand that. It might also explain why her emotional state is less consistent and why she seems to be less connected to herself and a bit less engaged with the people around her. I think there was an opportunity here to show her grieving her friend and everything their friendship gave her. That could have been more of a storyline instead of just being subtext to her actions in that season. What would you have liked to see for Lucy in season 4?

What do you think was the purpose of introducing Chris? Were they trying to give them a similar set-up as Angela and Wesley and flirt through disagreements? She is never really shown talking with Chris. Like you say there are conversations were they both state how they have completely different views on something and it is not resolved or brought up again. I am disappointed it seems like she did not care more about what it meant being a relationship with someone who she did not actually seem to care about. Especially after her last relationship ended because she did not appear to care enough about them. If she stayed in the relationship because she did not want more conflict and hurt in her life (while grieving Jackson) why could not that have been an explanation instead of «Chris is so great»?

What did you think of the choices made in the trial-prep episode? I guess they were trying to show Lucy healing through moving forward and leaving her trauma behind her. However, that is not how trauma works in my experience and I think it was a disservice to Lucy to make it so clean cut.

Also what do you think of her professional development in season 4? I feel like in season 4 she does not seem to have the same curiosity for different types of policing (and no mention of undercover-work for her until 4.22). I think introspection is really what have been missing in the last seasons with a lot of the characters. It is almost like since that they are not rookies anymore, they do not have anything new to learn or do not make mistakes in their police work that can help them grow and be better. They also had some interesting discussions about things they would want to change so they could do their job better in the previous seasons. The last seasons have been very plot-driven and I understand that the show had to evolve and it is harder to include «learning lessons» when they are no longer students, but still. I want to see characters grown both personally and professionally.

One more thing is that I feel a bit selfish voicing these concerns. So many people worked hard on this show and people spend their free time writing fics so we can get great entertainment. I do not want it to seem like I am diminishing their work. Sometimes I guess it helps voicing things to accept it and appreciate the things that are still great about the show :) Also I would love to hear peoples different opinions on this. I have not rewatched season 4 a lot either because it is not my favorite so people who know it better might have great examples to prove me wrong :)

I am also ready to get into season 5 more, if you are up for more asks :)

Well, shit, anon, you really let me have it! I am not complaining, by the way. You are forcing my to think and articulate my jumbled thoughts which is great… But take pity on me, because I’m truly not sure how well I get my point across when given license to ramble about fictional characters that I care about far too much.

I am glad you found something worthwhile in the two previous ask/answer! I think Lucy is eminently relatable, especially in S1 and S2, where (as a rookie) we get to learn so much about her and see her in a new environment, at a new job, and beginning this big new part of her life - so many people can understand being new to a job, trying to juggle friends and romantic relationships, family problems, while navigating adulthood. Angela, for all that she’s a bit of a mess, has been on the job for a decade. I don’t think Talia ever got a fair shake in terms of storylines. Tim is a great character in those early days, but I wouldn’t necessarily call him or Nolan relatable. And Jackson (RIP, you were the MVP all along) might be less relatable just because he was finding his way as a nepo baby dude.

Look, early on in S4, I was willing to cut the show a lot of slack. They had abruptly and unexpectedly lost a main cast member, they were still filming under pandemic conditions, and at some point during that season, they got the news that they were going to try introducing a spinoff. I was one of the people thinking that Lucy becoming Tim’s aide would be a soft reset and let them work together more like partners and deepen their bond while maintaining status quo until they could more calmly and clearly plan out the next arc. By mid-season, it felt like that was a pipe dream I once had. My problem with subtext in a show like The Rookie is that it is so open to interpretation that you may well be right - she’s subtly grieving, she’s isolated and withdrawn from friends (because, let’s face it, she has none in S4)... But that’s rarely, if ever, made clear. You could be right… Or you could be totally wrong. At some point, subtlety becomes ineffective if nobody understands what or why things are happening.

In S4, honestly, I would’ve liked to see Lucy dealing with her grief and taking risks - not ones that are stupid, but dangerous nonetheless. Angela is having a baby, so is Nyla (by the end), Nolan has ostensibly found love… Let Lucy feel the weight of being alone and grapple with taking on UC work (which they introduced and then basically dropped for most of S4?) while she’s barely trained. Let that same conversation that happened in S3 between Tim and Lucy and Nyla come up and let that be the conflict between Tim and Lucy in S3. His feelings about UC are clearly related to Isabel but his concern for Lucy is two-fold: she’s barely out of long sleeves and she’s taken hit after hit and had to keep going. Tim knows exactly what that’s like. And it doesn’t have to be Tim being over-protective or senior officer, this is hard won knowledge, just like when he told Lucy her scars made her a survivor.

That’s just one of many routes. I would have eliminated Chris and Ashley entirely, or used them very differently. Not even as a shipper but I honestly think they contributed nothing to S4 - they weren’t used for jealousy, they didn’t cause conflict, neither couple had particular chemistry. They were just… There.

You know, I’ve discussed to death with many people what the purpose of Chris was. I haven’t actually come up with a good explanation because his introduction felt inorganic and, even worse, the set up of his relationship with Lucy was so poorly executed that I think they shot him in the foot right from the get-go. I do think they were trying to sprinkle a little of the “Angela and Wesley” flavour, as if all lawyers are naturally argumentative about everything. But, in my personal opinion, it didn’t work. It’s definitely annoying that Lucy seems to get into relationships she doesn’t care about (but I am convinced that what happened with Emmett only happened because the actor became unavailable).

I have settled on the idea that Chris and Ashley were, essentially, introduced to explain why Lucy and Tim couldn’t be together. “Of course they can’t date, they’re both in relationships, silly!” I literally see no other purpose to them - neither illuminated anything new about Lucy or Tim, respectively, and neither ended up sticking around so 🤷🏽‍♀️

Oh, that was weird. That whole episode. Firstly, I have no idea why Tamara was there. She is Lucy’s teenage orphaned roommate so of course, she is Lucy’s sole emotional support! It was completely ridiculous and unprofessional that Chris would be working on Lucy’s prep and he should have recused himself. Apparently everyone in the office has seen the video so like… Why couldn’t one of the other junior ADAs have prepped her? If, for some dumb reason, they absolutely did not want Tim being there even though he was personally involved, why not have Angela support her? She suffered a similar trauma, she’s a woman, and she was there. Was she still on mat leave? No idea, I refuse to rewatch S4 so details are fuzzy. Or have Nyla be her support - she has been hurt, she’s served in a mentor role for Lucy, she was there.

Let’s move on from that. The episode actually starts off promisingly in some ways because we see Lucy struggling. It’s confirmation that this is a trauma she continues to struggle with (in The Rookie’s fucked up timeline, it has been maybe a year since Caleb happened, I think?). And then Chris hums the song, Lucy reacts strongly, Tamara is (as one might expect of a teenage roommate) locked out along with Chris the trauma-triggering boyfriend, and then Lucy emerges, on her own, and demands to see the video. Chris, who got a verbal lashing from Lucy in his introductory episode and apparently lost all backbone immediately after, caves (although I tend to agree that this was her experience and she was entitled to see the video on her own terms) and then Lucy just shrugs it off and goes to Chris’ for dinner.

Sure, okay. How does a day that starts out with Lucy appearing to experience disassociation, flashbacks, and PTSD symptoms end with her laughing with someone who triggered her again later in the day? Look, I’m not suggesting that people can’t process trauma, mental health, or their emotions/triggers however they want. In real life, people are complex and varied and resilient and unique. On TV where there is less time and space to explore those nuances, it very much looked to me like Lucy was casual and carefree by the end of the episode rather than emotionally exhausted and repeatedly subjected to extreme stressors regarding her trauma. But what do I know? Maybe the “subtext” is that Lucy is extraordinarily strong and can walk it off no problem because that’s what heroes do.

(in ending, I did not think much of the choices in that episode)

Woo, boy, did Lucy have professional development in S4? I don’t think she did. She was Tim’s aide and, as pointed out in the episode with Nyla’s wedding, she gets no credit for the arrests even if she played an instrumental role. I’m not actually sure how being sergeant’s aide is such a big deal when that’s the case. I would also like to point out that I’m not actually sure what Tim did as a sergeant. He was supposed to respond to high risk calls and be available as a supervisor on scene but, and maybe I’m remembering wrong, for most of S4, him and Lucy respond to regular ol’ whatever calls when there wasn’t something huge and ridiculous already happening in the episode.

I agree that none of the characters appear to have any self-awareness or display any particular insight or growth in S4. Nolan’s college classes and the professor who taught about racism and policing basically disappeared without a mention and they just stop talking about issues in policing entirely. The Rookie seemed to choose a cause, or whatever you want to call it, each season (racism in policing for S3) and they pivoted to… Women’s fertility in S4? Except their focus was egg freezing??? They talked about Black maternal health in a previous season and that was SO. MUCH. BETTER. I know a lot of people who have explored fertility options, mostly for the purpose of IVF admittedly, and it is an expensive, painful, and challenging choice to make. They didn’t discuss any of that. So overall, I would call it a fail, personally. Nevermind that Lucy’s dusty eggs and her concern with her mother crossing boundaries was basically ignored forever after.

I get that not being rookies anymore changed the dynamics, direction, and plot structure of the show. But I think there are ways to continue to grow and develop the characters and explore issues within policing that they did in previous seasons. Angela talked endlessly in S4 (in fact, I think that was her whole arc) about breast milk and being a mom. Why not encounter obstacles her rich husband couldn’t solve for her like the guilt of being a working mom? The danger involved in being a police officer and a parent? What about the discrimination around promotions when you’re a woman, of colour, and a mother (mat leave often means setbacks and missing opportunities)?

I don’t think it’s selfish to voice these concerns or to discuss ways the show didn’t work well and ways it could work better. I don’t know, honestly, how things work behind the scenes on The Rookie. I don’t know what their writer’s room looks like, I don’t know how or when they break the season, I don’t know who contributes ideas and writing and direction, I don’t know how much control the show runner exerts, etc., etc. But there are a lot of things that, for me, didn’t work in S4. I don’t @ the writers, show runners, actors, or anyone involved in the show (I believe in strong, firm, clear boundaries between fandom and the actual production) regarding fanfic, ideas, etc. Occasionally, when I livetweet, I might tag someone in a positive comment, but that’s the extent of my involvement with the real people who are working on this show. In fandom spaces, I think discussion, criticism, and honest, respectful engagement are signs of investment in the show and characters which is a pretty big compliment.

If I didn’t love this dumb show (or the first three seasons, anyway), I wouldn’t still be here after all.

#lucy chen #tim bradford #angela lopez #nyla harper #the rookie #chris sanford #the rookie anti s4 #anon ask #answered!#thanks for the ask!#sorry this was so late #i had to wait until i had time and energy #apparently that's at 11pm on a sunday night

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therookieconfessions · 9 months

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#the rookie #lucy chen #anti the rookie S4 #therookieconfessions

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matan4il · 1 year

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I was the anti shipper, and yes, just to be very clear, it wasn't homophobia. Yes, I am straight, and I ship both straight and queer couples. It's chemistry. But I am always more confident in straight couples because I know if the fans react, the showrunners will too. See Green Arrow. Not to use the tired catchphrase, but if either of them were women and shared the Ryan and Oliver chemistry, I have no doubt they would have changed it. You know, even if it was supposed to be Taylor and Anna or Shannon end game. That's the part that made me so annoyed.

S2 and S3 you could not go an episode that didn't have some ship worthy content. Then, in S4 and S5, it was the fact that they grew so much more emotionally intimately that they had to pull back being physically affectionate. I often see them compared to McDanno, and to me, it's like no. The difference is McDanno never pulled back or acted weird when in a relationship. They embraced the codependent/buddy cop/bro work husband of it. If anyone currently, they are more like Tim and Lucy in The Rookie.

So yes I was mostly annoyed because I felt like they wouldn't be brave enough to shift the story. I really believe that Buddie is just an important representation. All LBGTQ content is, but theirs is yes a little different when you can explore the ways you come at it, their professions, backgrounds, potential repression, mid life gay panic. And of course their adorable son!

So thanks for understanding my point so well and not assuming I was no homo, you know!!

Lovely, you have nothing to thank me for! I thought your ask was AWESOME, I understood immediately where you were coming from, and it had the exact desired effect, it filled me with joy!

And I agree with you, I’m a hopeless romantic which means even as a kid, I shipped to my heart’s content. I was incapable of watching any show without finding a couple who I loved and cheered for. And without a doubt, even though I pick up on similar chemistry and tropes when I ship opposite sex couples who aren’t together yet as when I ship same sex ones, the former will almost ALWAYS get together (or at least be acknowledged by the show in some way... for example as a one-sided love, it’s happened maybe twice, but it’s still a recognition of what the viewers see), even if they may not be endgame, but the same cannot be said for the latter. So yeah, when I ship two guys who aren’t together canonically, I walk into that with my eyes fully open. And it is frustrating sometimes because of precisely what you point out. If Buck and Eddie were an opposite sex couple and had everything they have now (not just the chemistry, but the build up and intimacy and emotional intensity, plus tropes like the shooting arc at the end of s4), we’d all know it’s just a matter of time before they got together. It wouldn’t even be a question.

I never watched Hawaii 5-0, but I did always assume that the genre dictated that McDanno would never get together, but they would def tease (I hate using this term now since it has become such a dividing term but yeah, I assumed they were queerbaiting) to get that extra slice of viewership from McDanno shippers. So I kind of... am not surprised that they preserved the same kind of dynamic without change throughout the show’s run. Because the only REAL change that they could have provided without losing the shippers is getting them together, right? And like I said, I never thought they would do that.

I don’t watch The Rookie either (listen, there is just TOO MUCH out there, I can’t keep up with everything *sobs*), but I gather Tim and Lucy have gone canon? Semi-canon? IDK, but that’s what gifsets on my dash have led me to believe. But that says it all, if Chenford are that comparable to Buddie!

And once again, fully agreed. Buddie matter so much! In terms of being able to offer us the first REAL mlm slow burn, the fact that they work in such “masculine” professions (break that stereotype even more, 911! I will give you my kidney), their age (coming to realize who they are or how to be in a same sex r/s at a later stage in life), the fact that they’re basically co-parenting (there are not enough mlm couples CHOOSING to raise kids together on our screen), all of it could make Buddie groundbreaking.

Thank you again, it’s been a delight chatting to you! As always, here’s my ask tag. xoxox

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forbescaroline · 2 years

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ASK GAME THE ROOKIE also degrassi

the rookie (currently only on 1x18)

my favorite female character: angela (lucy is a very close second)

my favorite male character: jackson

my favorite book/season/etc: --

my favorite episode (if its a tv show): 1x14

my favorite cast member: --

my favorite ship: tim/lucy

a character I’d die defending: angela or lucy

a character I just can’t sympathize with: --

a character I grew to love: tim

my anti otp: john/lucy

degrassi (doing my top 3 for these bc there's too many ok)

my favorite female character: manny, zoe, fiona

my favorite male character: jt, miles, spinner

my favorite book/season/etc: s10, s3, s4 but also s12 and next class s3

my favorite episode (if its a tv show): 11x29 or nc 3x05

my favorite cast member: stacey farber, annie clark, cristine prosperi

my favorite ship: sean/emma, craig/ellie, fiona/imogen

a character I’d die defending: zoe, miles, imogen

a character I just can’t sympathize with: tristan, hunter, peter

a character I grew to love: paige, zoe, drew

my anti otp: miles/tristan, eli/clare, zig/maya

#tim-lucy #asks

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crose84 · 3 years

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Aw! That was the Ted Lasso/The Rookie fic I didn’t even know I needed?! Fully agree we can’t go back down the Jamie road when we have Roy! And Chenford, sigh. Perfection with his reaction to her parents and that end scene. Also I absolutely now need a Lucy/Angela friendship that leads to this foursome friendship. What a fun dynamic and the girls would make Tim nuts! Also he’s so curious about those lost years! 👀😂

Hi Anon,

Thank you so much! I’m glad that you liked it. I had so much fun writing it. Drunk Lucy and Angela are my favorites.

As for Ted Lasso, I’m actually not super anti-Jamie Tartt as long as he stays far away from Keeley. Roy Kent is everything. I love him and Brett Goldstein so much.

I hope The Rookie S4 gives us Chenford talking about her parents and the Lucy/Angela friendship we’ve deserved since S1.

P.S. Aren’t we all curious about Lucy’s lost years?!

#the rookie #chenford #tim bradford #lucy chen #tim x lucy #angela lopez #give us the Angela x Lucy friendship we want and deserve #anon message #anon reply

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zenosanalytic · 4 years

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THE SACRED TEXTS!!! EPISODE 3

I just finished the 3rd season of Clone Wars(2008) and I have Thoughts!

s3 is typically where I’ve seen ppl saying Clone Wars gets gud but, for the first half of the season, I was pretty skeptical. Until ~ e11 the season’s dedicated to filling in holes from the earlier seasons which, frankly, didn’t really need to be filled? Like: I’m not really sure WHO, in the audience, would be sitting around wondering “gee, I wonder what’s going on with Mandalore’s trade-policy during all of this?”?? Or “was a Republic Army sent to help Ryloth when it was first invaded, and what happened to it?”??? And most of this not only felt pretty unnecessary, but was also pretty Meh (:T There were good bits! Like, I didnt ACTL mind the Ryloth ep, and it acts as a declaration of sorts that it’s now both open-season on Jedi(yeah, technically Kit Fisto’s ex-padawan Vebb died in Lair of Grievous, but he was very much An Outlier), and more broadly open-season on named&faced humanoid characters.

To give an example: not ONLY does Domino Squad from Rookies in s1 get a fleshing-out backstory(which is... very Pat and derivative and convenient, but the characterization is ok given they’ve only got one 22min ep to do it in. & I liked 99′s whole role as basically surrogate dad to all the other clones), but pretty much ALL of them, I think, end up getting killed off during the season? Like I said it’s a clear statement they want to break with the past while building on the “hey fans: CLONES ARE PEOPLE! THEIR SITUATION IN THIS WAR IS MONSTROUS!!” message the series has been soft-peddling from the beginning, but I feel like they didnt really commit to it enough. Like: IF they had stuck with the Domino survivors throughout the season, if we’d gotten to see them in episode after episode, gotten to know them better alongside the other members of Rex’s ARC battalion, gotten to see them face dangers and survive them, only to watch, agonized, as they, and the rest of the Battalion vets, slowly get picked off in the increasingly dangerous missions of the second half of the season, then that would have made the message MUCH more effective, AND made the Citadel and Padawan Lost arcs much more tense.

And really all of the impactful deaths of the season sort of feel like that. Like: we get one episode to know Mina Bonteri(a human, of course) and her family before she’s killed off(though i did Dig how unceremonious and unsentimental it was; that really got across the stakes involved and the sorts of scumbags Amidala, and the audience, are dealing with). We get even less time with the Jedi killed by Oppress; a few seconds at most(and btw it’s kind of HILARIOUS how he just... bulls in there and wrecks em like it’s nothing, after two seasons of ep after ep of uneventful cat-and-mouse. Of course that’s undermined by him&Ventriss, then, utterly failing to be successful against Dooku, purely because the plot demands it |:T) Same with Master Piell. Ziro we know much better, but he was also a fairly annoying caricature and his final eps went out of their way to use him to introduce EVEN MORE annoying caricatures so, while his getting gunned down is successful in showing violence and violent death as sudden, unsentimental, and pathetic rather than heroic and worthy, we dont really care. And that’s further undercut, pretty seriously, by his being a caricature; pathos is hard to pull off with an object of laughter/scorn as it risks just making their suffering funny to the audience(which... is the OPPOSITE of what you want to accomplish). This isnt helped by having the Jedi who find him basically shrugging at his death before racing into a Cool Fight. The “Force Wielders” in the Mortis arc suffer from the same problems(and also: Force Dualism&”The Chosen One” Talk: BLEAGH!). The only one of these they manage to get right, to me, is Kalifa’s death in Padawan Lost which, due to us getting more time to see her sitch and hear her&the other younglings talk about it, genuinely ends up having an emotional impact(if still feeling super-convenient and a bit improbable)((also I love the inclusion of a predator ep, even if they’re cheap dime-story predators)).

The same goes for all the non-death falls and endangerments. The corruption of the Mandalorian Prime Minister falls flat because we barely know him, and he’s never been portrayed as sympathetic or, for that matter, as anything other than a factotum. The only Pantoran we know in Sphere of Influence is Senator Chuchi, and more than half the episode is dedicated to the Prime Minister, his Son, and his(interchangeable) daughters(and we never see any of these characters again in the season); the ep comes off as nothing more than an excuse to reference Greedo(and Im annoyed by him speaking common all of a sudden. Who watching CW would have a problem with subtitles?).

BUT! They’re trying!! They’re moving in the right direction!!! I’m happy about this ^v^ And the later half of the season, while I have my problems with certain episodes, and the continued non-human stereotypes, and the convenient writing, and the not-great(tho getting better!) dialogue, is actually kind of entertaining, and attention-bearing. Arc Troopers, the 2nd ep of the season, is Solid! The Mortis arc is good, overall! The Citadel and Padawan Lost arcs are Compelling!! I like the Witches of Dathomiir, even if their Arc is “Meh” because the series IMMEDIATELY undercuts their cool concept(aside from the laser-bows which are LEGITIMATELY Stupid. I’m sorry; I will not argue over this they’re Dum) by having their plans, and all the implication towards deep plots&cunning manipulation, turn out to be empty and fruitless(ie, Dooku totally should have been terribly wounded by all this, which would have also been cool re: Sidious, as it’d imply THAT WAS HIS PLAN ALL ALONG! TO WEAKEN THE GROWING POWER OF HIS APPRENTICE AND DRAG THE WAR OUT EVEN LONGER!!) Also: the Witches, rather than being “magic users” drawing from the “unique power” of their ~evil planet~(a swamp, of course, following long-established Magic the Gathering tradition u_u) should have just totally been a non-Sith(possibly Pre-Jedi) sect of Dark Side Force Users. I really like the idea of Non-Jedi/Non-Sith(since they’re literally just two sides of the SAME tradition; the Sith are literally Jedi Heretics) Force Traditions being out there in the galaxy, and this was a good chance to build on that which I felt they didnt do enough with, and hope they WILL do more with in future(I especially like the ideas of force-attuned poison? Like what if they could “poison” or “curse” people THROUGH the Force? That would be sweet as hell :3).

Another improvement is in the action in this season. It’s not at a level I’d call “thrilling” or anything, but it feels much less like stiff, rote, weightless FLUFF than it has in the two previous seasons. Frankly I think a lot of this is just their engine and how ppls joints just sort of SNAP into position during fights, and also the excessive acrobatics of the prequel-style, both of which makes it feel unnatural, predetermined, and performative rather than deadly and vital(like excessively practiced and robotically acted choreography, basically). But, having said that, you see ppl make mistakes, you see consequences FOR those mistakes, and thus there is SOME sense of danger and weight to it that makes it more compelling than it has been in the past, and this should be praised uwu

And I like that the Politics are a lot clearer and more forefronted in this season than previously! While the Corruption Arc on Mandalore did feel rather hollow, rushed, and After-School-Specially(and, I DEEPLY resent its peddling of offensive and baseless anti-Ophidian tropes >:( ), it’s core message abt the dangers of profiteering and the corrupting influence of profit-seeking(ie Capitalism) on politics and society is a good one and clearly delivered. The Amidala episodes in this season Knock it out of the park consistently, and especially on their messaging ^v^ ^v^ Also, I DIDNT MIND the very fillery C3PO and R2 ep! Yes: it was essentially a waste of an episode since Bane was working for the Hutts to spring Ziro in s1′s Hostage Crisis & there’s basically NO WAY they wouldnt have been able to provide him with a set of plans for the Senate building(and the prison, for that matter), but WHATEVER: it was Kind Of Fun and I like seeing those two be an old bickering married couple and C3PO freak out over getting praised; IT WAS FINE!

So, while there werent any standout ep that I REALLY ENJOYED like Trespass in s1 and R2 Come Home in s2, and I very much didn’t like the 1st half of the season, I think I do have to concede that s3 is An Improvement, overall. I’m actually a bit excited over moving on to s4, given the upward trajectory this season ends on quality-wise owo

Oh: and the Ahsoka redesign? Neat uwu uwu(if untentionally Hilarious since they havent been changing her model over time so she just... grows three feet and bulks out in, like, a single night, presumably. Togruta Puberty must be HELL :p :p :p)

#Star Wars #SW: Clone Wars(2008)#Clone Wars s3 #Long Post #zA Opinions #zA Reviews #TV Shows #Summaries

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ridiasfangirlings · 6 years

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I'm kinda curious... do you think mikorei is possible! in your vamp!homra and hunters!S4 au?

Picking up from this ask, I can definitely see Mikorei being possiblehere. Like you have Mikoto as head of basically the vampire mafia,doing his best to keep the rest of the vampires in line to make surethey don’t all end up slaughtered (…well, Kusanagi does his beststrategy-wise, Mikoto does his best with the intimidating and burninganyone who needs to be burnt and being the figurehead that everyoneelse is drawn to). Of course this means he also tends to run into theirritating head of the vampire hunter squad, Munakata. I imagine thetwo of them having something along the lines of an uneasy truce,Munakata makes it clear that vampires twist his stomach however heaccepts that having Suoh present is a better option than not havinghim, there is only so much Scepter 4 can do and they deal withsupernatural beings besides vampires so it is helpful having someonewho can keep the vampire population in line at least. Mikoto has nointerest in being lectured by a human, and I imagine on their firstmeeting he makes some comment about Munakata being a rookie who isn’tprepared to deal with real vampires. Munakata smiles andassures Mikoto that he is well aware of the difficulties present indealing with vampires, and that he sees no reason to be intimidatedeven by a vampire as old as Suoh. On the contrary, he would haveexpected years to give Mikoto some sense of responsibility andpurpose, and yet it seems Mikoto is content to remain idle. Mikotoputs out his cigarette with a smirk like ‘huh, so that’s it’ and thenwithout warning he attacks. Munakata immediately is whipping out likeall kinds of anti-vampire weaponry he has and the two of them totallyfight to a stalemate, both smiling wildly as they taunt each otherand talk about how sick the other one makes them and there is so muchundeniable attraction there.

After their first meeting it’s agreed that Scepter 4 will recognizethe independence of Mikoto’s faction, however should they do anythingto disturb the peace Munakata will not take it lightly. Mikoto saysMunakata’s welcome to a rematch any time and Munakata assures Mikotothat he is perfectly capable of handling that as well. From thatpoint on the two of them meet occasionally, usually whenever there’ssome kind of issue that crops up between their clans (oh, imaginelike the Minato twins in this AU are disgraced vampire hunters wholike become werewolves or something in order to rebel againstMunakata taking over as head of the clan from the deceased HabariJin, Mikoto agrees to harbor them for a time and he and Munakata getto have a nice discussion about the fate of the two. This is rightwhen Fushimi’s loyalties are wavering, Mikoto isn’t thrilled aboutgiving the kid over to vampire hunters but also figures if that’swhat Fushimi wants and Munakata shows no intent to harm him thenMikoto won’t say anything). To everyone else it seems as if Mikotoand Munakata are nothing more than fierce rivals, they often end upfighting and Munakata is the only one who can match Mikoto’sstrength. However they also have the whole forbidden romance thinggoing on, where they’re so attracted to each other but Mikoto being avampire and Munakata being a human keeps them apart. At some pointthey have the discussion about Mikoto turning Munakata into a vampireand Mikoto’s like 'I just don’t want you lecturing me for eternity,Munakata’ as Munakata states he would not want to spend an eternityhaving to share the same crypt as Mikoto. In truth though they bothknow that Mikoto wouldn’t offer and Munakata wouldn’t accept, sotheir relationship continues the same as it always has, not quite acouple and not quite enemies.

#Mikorei #Talking K #they complain about each other all the time and then have secret makeouts #and probably occasional messy sex #Munakata continues to claim vampires make him sick #Mikoto states that stuffy humans make him sick #and then they kiss #pretty much

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Hi! I agree with pretty much everything you wrote about in the post for Rookie-ask game. Would you be interested in expanding on your thoughts? I know you said you wanted to keep it brief to avoid hate, but I think it would be great to get more diverse opinions in this fandom and I think you would have support for starting a discussion.

Lucy was my favorite character from the start and I am disappointed with her character growth in season 5 (it felt non-existent). As well as how she is viewed by many in this fandom as either a flawless badass who can do no wrong (and in extension no need for character growth) or as not confident, desperate for validation and with no self-awareness. There are definitely people who have a more nuanced view too and I really appreciated their perspective . But for example a majority of fics are written from Tim´s perspective and like you say it feels like in a lot of them Lucy is written as very passive. There is definitely very much an emphasis on Tim´s perspective in both the show, fics and here on tumblr. I am very glad he is explored as a nuanced character, but I wish Lucy would also get that.

I would be really interested in hearing your thoughts, but I would also completely understand if you do not feel like posting them.

Hope you have a nice day :)

If anyone knows me, they know I love to talk. My thoughts and tangents are scattered far and wide, incoherent and half-finished ramblings all over the place. So, I'll do my best, because... Damn it, you're not wrong. I think every fandom should host a diversity of feelings, thoughts, and passionate (but polite) discourse.

I'm not sure *exactly* which thoughts you want me to expand on (and I'm very curious about what falls outside of the "pretty much everything" you agree with), but I'll build on what you mention in your ask - Lucy is also my favourite character and she was followed closely by Nyla when she came on the scene in S2. I probably hew closer to the "flawless badass who can do no wrong" read of Lucy than I'd like, but I think there are canonical things for her to work on: she can be impulsive (confronting Tim outside of Isabel's home, adopting Kojo, giving Tamara her car), she has a petty streak (getting revenge on Tim, asking out the paramedic after Emmett dumps her), she has a tendency toward self-preservation that can make her selfish (asking about sacrificing the fugitive gang member, asking Nolan to lie to cover up their affair), and she is fueled by righteous anger that can lead her to do dumb things (threatening the dickhead who kicked sand at his dog, nearly threatening Stanton, yelling at Chris when she first met him).

A lot of anger about S4 after the cut.

In S4 and S5 (but especially S4, and actually, even a little in S3), Lucy displays a lot of immaturity that I don't think was as apparent in S1 or S2 where she typically displays better judgement than Jackson and a more realistic perspective than Nolan. It was frustrating to watch a character that seemed to know herself fairly well and was so open to confrontation and growth become a character who was jealous of a rookie and seemed to bounce back and forth emotionally in all of her relationships (romantic and otherwise) until Tim pointed it out and provoked her into action. For someone whose superpower is empathy (and oh gag at the idea that all cops have a superpower), she displayed a startling lack of self-awareness in S4 and S5 and I just... I don't know. The entire show changed *a lot* in S4 in ways that were monumentally disappointing for me, but none so much as the way the women on the show suffered in terms of character development.

I could honestly talk about this for hours, use thousands of words to proselytize at length, but S4 was a season that I so deeply dislike that I don't think I've purposely rewatched a single episode. Maybe I've missed nuances or missed plot points that, on rewatch, would've played better, but I don't think so. I think I (and many friends) have a fundamentally different perspective on the show as a direct consequence of S4 and part of it is the perceived character assassination (across the board, mind you, but especially) of the women on the show.

For context, I would like to point out that we spent two episodes with Emmett (go look at the epic beautiful gifset by @hotshotchen but we spent, by contrast, 13 episodes with Chris. In that time, we see Lucy meet and engage willingly and flirtatiously with Emmett, him express interest without any subterfuge or third party prodding and them actually having fun (in bed the morning after, but whatever!) together, him messing up and apologizing, and Lucy accepting it and moving forward with him... With Chris, Tim sets them up, their differences are expounded upon with Lucy consistently suggesting in words and actions that she's not that into him, Chris messing up repeatedly and there being no closure around it, and then Tim breaking them up. We got more character growth and better storytelling in two episodes of Emmett than we did in 13 episodes of Chris. While Tim was relevant to Lucy and Emmett's relationship, their relationship was not about him nor was he directly involved. It was about Lucy. What was her relationship with Chris about? Yeah, I don't know either, but somehow I don't think the answer is Lucy.

Ah, sorry, anon, see how I get to rambling? If you have any specific questions... Come at me, I guess? I need direction or I just rant and rave wildly until I fall asleep. My bad.

#lucy chen #the rookie #chris sanford #the rookie anti s4 #anon ask #answered!#thanks for the ask!

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