#this also applies to roger

[the-scooby-gang]

Character assassination and delayed puberty: VelmaHBO mishandling of Fred Jones

As I write the "I watched Velma HBO so you don't have too" reviews for episode 1 and 2, I decided to post this thought process I had regarding Fred's mischaracterization and, specifically, about the choice of giving him delayed puberty.

In the show, Mindy Kaling's self insert (because that ain't Velma in this or in the next life) comes to the conclusion that Fred is such a "spoiled white privileged brat" that his body didn't see the point of growing up at all.

First of all: Fuck that

Second of all: Whose brilliant idea (we all know who, but lets pretend for a second here) was it to turn FRED JONES: cheerleader; net lover; circus enjoyer; himbo friend; golden retriever sunshine boy and "I love my friends and my van so much you guys" into THIS?!?!

Is it because he is white, blond and has blue eyes???? Because it would be easy to make him into a caricature of white supremacy???

Yes. That's exactly why they changed Fred. Because it was easy.

I will go deeper on this in the full review of episode 1 and 2 (god help me) but this whole show is written in the most lazy way possible with jokes that would have fit perfectly in a edgy early 2000s show, where characters become those straw men versions of liberals conservatives IMAGINE exist.

Where people of color complain all the time about white supremacy but don't go deeper into it, its just complaining for the sake of complaining;

Where they bring genuine arguments people make but with zero nuance or though behind them, instead the writers put what THEY imagine it is about and, 99.9% of the time, they attribute it to people being "tOo sEnSiTiVe" and " tRiGgErEd SnOwFlAkEs"

Where people blow things out of proportion and accuse people left and right of being fascists (when they call Fred "Hitler" the background character says "he looks like Hitler. And I'm not just saying that because we call anyone Hitler nowadays") completely disregarding the WHY people in real life are calling out fascist behavior when they see it. Hello rise of fascism happening on the world, how is the INVASION OF CAPITOL IN AMERICA and THE INVASION AND DEPREDATION OF THE PLANALTO IN BRAZIL going for you?!;

This show is Family Guy. I would say it's worse than Family Guy even.

Third of all: Delayed puberty is an Actual Thing That Happens To People. It's something that can happen at random or it can be a genetic disorder shared in the family. It can be a symptom of something way more serious or something benign.

Many people that suffer from delayed puberty suffer from low self esteem because they have to watch their friends grow and develop when the same thing's not happening to them. They may feel like they're never going to catch up.

People are bullied over this, people develop depression.

And now these people are the punch line of this mean spirited joke.

I can even envision a better show where Fred still has delayed puberty, but instead of being the butt of jokes where people keep commenting on the size of the penis of this HIGH SCHOOLER, they treat as the constitutional delay it is. Fred is a late bloomer. It may be caused by a pattern of growth and development in his family, it may be a chronic illnesses he has. Can you imagine Fred with something like asthma or diabetes?

Lets go with that, lets imagine a Fred with diabetes, who is not receiving a proper treatment for said diabetes (maybe because his parents subscribe to that style of parenting where they are more concerned about appearances than the well being of their kid. "No, he has no problem. He is a perfectly healthy Jones."

Or they are the kind that say shit like this: "He doesn't have blurry vision he is just a lazy student, that's an excuse," or "You would stop going so much to the bathroom to piss if you stoped drinking water all the time" or even "I told you to not stay awake all night on those weird net making websites, now you're tired in class. What kind of mother they must think I am..." "But I didn't stay up all night, I swear–" "Don't you lie to me Frederick") and as such the side effects and symptoms are left unchecked.

So the Fred Velma, and we the audience, are introduced too is the heir of this fortune... who can't stay standing because he is constantly tired, has completely given up on trying to apply himself on school because he can't see the fucking board his vision is so blurry, has passed out at least once in gym, drinks water like he lives in a dessert and is so self conscious about his body that even his girlfriend hasn't seen him shirtless even once. The swim team hasn't seen him shirtless even once, so there are these whiplash inducing photos in the year book where is a bunch of guys in speedos nest to this one dude in an early 20th century striped swimming suit.

In episode 1 itself Velma's vision of Fred can start biased, after all from a distance a person that doesn't know Fred personally can chalk his behavior to "rich dramatic boy that knows he doesn't need to put effort into learning since he already has a fortune guaranteed for him after all this, so he is just sleeping and vibing and being dramatic through high school" but as the episode progresses and she gets to know Fred, she notices that the image doesn't fit. Fred, who has such in depth knowledge about physics and mechanics, who clearly loves his girlfriend very much and feels bad about the murder of this girl he considered a friend. The image of "Rich guy that doesn't care" is not fitting.

I want it to be a Velma and Daphne epiphany. About Daphne talking about all these things Fred has told her or that she noticed about him to Velma as they look for clues and it hits Velma as a she connects all together. The tiredness, the pissing, the thirst, the blurry vision.

Daphne may have not seen it because she is too close but with Velma's outside perspective the pieces fall into place.

Now lets imagine that instead of cop lesbian moms, Daphne could have lesbian doctor/nurse moms. They take him to them and they give him what he desperately needed:

"No, dear. You're not lazy, or broken, or an attention seeker, or any other bullshit your parents called you. You have diabetes. Type 1 to be precise."

After Daphne and Velma hug a crying Fred until he has no more tears to give, the series progresses with Fred now treating his diabetes as one of its recurring plot lines.

I want Daphne to have extra insulin in her purse, I want Shaggy to help Fred with his new diet, I want Fred and Velma to go exercising together and have deep conversations about body image and how they deal with it (Fred with his delayed puberty, Velma with her extra weight)

"Mature" and "Adult" content doesn't need to be edgy sex-violence-and-drugs.

It can be simply a story of a high schooler having to deal with diabetes in a country were insulin is expensive as fuck, some parents are more willing to let their kids suffer than offer any kind of help or even admit that there may be a problem in the first place, of dealing with body image and things that are out of your control.

Just a thought.

This is a post by The-Scooby-Gang, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

#scooby gang #scooby doo #hbo velma #fred jones #velma dinkley #daphne blake #shaggy rogers #velma by me #this also applies to my rewrite ideas for this show #i watched velma hbo so you dont have too #gih says #long post

[kidddoz]

POV: you're Piggy

#lotf #lord of the flies #lotf piggy #lotf roger #this could also apply to henry lol #the theory is that rog threw the boulder because piggy was racist #sorry guys i whitewashed roger?? he now looks like cursed eminem

[marinerainbow]

Poppy would volunteer to make the wedding dress and/or suit for her friend if they got married. And provide an additional wedding gift even if the couple insisted her help with their clothes were enough.

#been thinking about Poppy making Jessica her wedding dress in the Related Rabbits timeline #i imagine Jessica and Riger got married before they became stars- meaning money was more of an issue for them #so Poppy offered to help with the dress- and wanted to help Roger too though they both insisted that was too much #(and yes Jessica of course paid Poppy) #ANYWAYS- this would also apply outside of that AU too #i can see her making her own wedding dress too ^^ #(yeeeaaahhh i think im in a wedding mood) #OC tid-bits #Poppy #WFRR #who framed roger rabbit #Disney #Related Rabbits AU

[gleeksfreaksandwannabes]

It’s totally normal to tear up over your own writing, right?

Anyway, Steve’s plan has finally come together, and I couldn’t let it go by without a solid dose of angst! Thank you so much for your love on this story, guys, it means so much!

#ohh steve #you fucked up #but also you broke my god damn heart #today on things i really wish were canon #bucky deserved to be saved #and i refuse to believe steve went back to the 40’s and didn’t even think to rescue him #or feel guilty about what he was going through while steve lived his apply pie life #also it is taking every ounce of self control i have not to post this entire story in one hit #because i’m nearly finished #my babies #steve rogers #bucky barnes #stucky #marvel #my writing #laura’s writing

[rotteneldritchhorror]

Yes Bryce is Woman™️ and Mother™️ and Babygirl™️

But hear me out-

Nonhuman to the point that she’s also xenogender and uses it/its pronouns

Like yes she’s Woman™️ but also a demonic creature who’s barely human anymore

#I feel like this also vaguely applies to Courtney Freaking Miller- just with less Woman™️ and more woman-like object #brandon rogers #brandon rogers cinematic universe #brcu #bryce tankthrust #brandon rogers bryce tankthrust #gender #🪲 #maybe I just wanna be able to project just a lil more onto her #but also #nonhuman Woman™️

[heavencasteel420]

I find it really frustrating when people interpret Jonathan (particularly Season 1 Jonathan) as being an edgelord who dislikes people for no reason. As a joke, it's stale and, as a remotely serious take, it's devoid of empathy or even basic comprehension of what happens in the show. Let's think for a second about how the citizens of Hawkins (the town where Jonathan has lived his entire life, and therefore his main reference point) behave towards him, his family, and others he's shown to have positive feelings towards (such as Nancy and Will's friends):

Kids bully his younger brother for homophobic reasons;

His younger brother's friends are bullied, both verbally and physically, often for racist and ableist reasons;

The police gossip about how his mom is crazy and speculate about her sex life;

Lonnie, his abusive deadbeat father, commands more respect in the town than his hardworking, loving mother;

Nancy is the only person at school to show any concern about Will, a missing little kid;

Steve makes a snide remark about him hanging up missing posters (although he has the decency to object to Tommy's crueler remarks);

Tommy makes a sick joke--twice--about Jonathan killing Will;

Even Barb, a "nice" girl who generally disapproves of Steve's crew, doesn't go up to him with Nancy or say "hey, in addition to my concerns that you are sexually in over your head with Steve, he and her friends were really fucking mean about a literal missing child"; this doesn't mean she was cool with it, of course, but it does suggest that this type of talk isn't noteworthy to her;

Steve and his friends--however legitimate their grievances--chose to confront him about the photos in the most schoolyard-bully way possible, which may have not been so bad in that context, but (in light of their behavior at other times) does imply that they also just kind of enjoy bullying;

Multiple people just stare and don't try to help at all when he and his mom are completely imploding in front of the morgue (although I understand it's an awkward situation for a bystander);

Steve and his friends slut-shame and humiliate Nancy in the most public way possible (at least pre-internet);

Steve says that he "always figured [Jonathan] for a queer," which at best means that Steve is willing to use homophobic slurs in a fight (even if he never actually thought that and is just talking shit, and even if he's not a particularly passionate homophobe) and at worst means that this is something that is generally said of Jonathan and that he's subject to homophobic bullying (whatever his actual sexuality);

Steve compares him to his "screw-up" father, knowing this is a sore spot;

Steve calls his mom--Joyce, a hardworking single mother with an objectively hard life--a screw-up;

Steve says "it's no surprise what happened to your brother"; this is an incredibly cruel thing for him to say, and also seems like the kind of callous thing he's heard from his parents or other adults ("it's a shame about that little boy, but something like that was bound to happen in that family");

Hopper and Karen Wheeler are the only non-related adults who show any concern for Jonathan.

Why would Jonathan like the people of Hawkins as a whole? From his vantage point, they're largely callous, bigoted, and cruel. Many of the main characters experience them as such. What kind of masochistic suck-up would he have to be to like Steve as he is for most of Season 1? Maybe he's an edgelord, but he's got his reasons.

I mean, I don't know. I disliked a lot of people in middle school, and some of it was being a moody teen, but also a lot of people in my middle school were homophobic conservative religious fanatics who were regularly horrible to me, my friends, and others. I was still a moody teen in high school--moodier, even!--but I was generally fine with my classmates because they were a lot nicer and less prejudiced. My mom is a warm and sunny person, but she'll talk shit about her hometown because a lot of people were racist or sexually predatory. Sometimes people thinks badly of those around them because those around them act badly.

#also: controversial statement potentially but #while it's plausible that jonathan is high-fidelity-level pretentious about music and movies #it's not exactly canon #the two things we know he disdains are kenny rogers and mr. mom #i don't think many seventeen-year-old boys in 1984 were vibing to you decorated my life or coward of the county #i think it's also unsurprising that a teenage boy would be bored by a mild domestic comedy about middle-aged parents #and you know what! he watched it with his family instead of hiding in his room and writing weird fanfiction like i might've at that age #jonathan byers #i guess it's a sign of equality that stupid anti-NLOG discourse is being applied to male characters

[wolves-in-the-world]

you folks would not believe the noises martin made while eating this, apparently unaffected by roger discussing recent decapitations to his left

it's a sort of hmafgh hmafgh. as far as I can tell he fried up some ham and he's dipping it directly in a jar of what might be mustard then just snarfing it down.

(needless to say, this isn't his kitchen.)

this was just after a scene where roger callously sticks his foot in his mouth about martin's Dead Wife situation, halfway apologises, and martin very graciously tells him that roger should be allowed to talk about his own wife and wanting to spend time with her in case Something Happens etc (true, but it doesn't mean martin should have to hear it), and—

"Martin is a treasure. So incredibly obnoxious and poorly socialized in some ways; so incredibly thoughtful and caring in others." – @onyxbird

—because yeah, yep, yes. so much more thoughtful and caring than roger deserves in that moment and also a terror no-one should be subjected to in their own kitchen.

(and still he cleared the dinner table.)

#lethal weapon trainwreck #this episode is dangerous I'm genuinely enjoying myself so far #going to tag this as #gross #just in case #I'm... I'm going to end up collecting a photoset of him having no manners around food and drink‚ aren't I #he's just a delight. and an absolute mess. and so unafraid of judgment. #not gonna lie I kinda admire it. #it's tempting to apply onyx's toon theory to roger's callousness - as if he sometimes remembers martin works by different rules - but... #I'm not sure how I feel about justifying his callousness that way. also I haven't yet seen the eps that led onyx to that theory. so. #(it's more tempting to apply it to martin's moment of visible surprise when roger starts talking about his sex life tbh #and martin's all ''oh‚ okay‚ this is a thing you talk about unprompted‚ mmhm‚ continue'' (with gentle & unnoticed sarcasm) #martin makes some very good faces about it. this ep is spoiling me & picking a selection is gonna be a Struggle.)

[acesstark]

widely accepted that tony has black cat energy and steve is basically just a giant puppy

But have you considered that steve Rogers is the human embodiment of a german shepherd golden retriever mix

This is so specific but hear me out:

that is Steve Rogers. those are two photos of Steve Rogers.

#this applies to fanon mcu Steve #but also canon aa Steve #aa steve is my whole heart I miss him 💔 #stevetony #steve rogers #Tony stark

[pirateborn-a]

Not me crying thinking how nice to would be if ghost roger kinda talked with his young son. Not me getting emotional over this

     No but like So true!!  Roger does try to stick with Ace,,, watches his son grow up hating him and being hated for behind his and unable do anything about it or comfort him??  And like     Roger loves Garp he trusts the man and knows he’s a good person but also worstie what the fuck-          he gets it, he’s known garp long enough to know how he thinks and he gets it and he never meant for garp to have guardianship over Ace but For the love of the Sea what is he doing to his son--

      But def whenever his ghost’s around Ace Roger would try to talk to him, tries to tell happy stories from his voyages, tries to talk about his crew, tries to talk about his mother and how wonderful Rouge was and how much she loves him, how much roger loves him            just,      i am very normal about roger seeing the consequences of his actions yet unable to do something about it,

#todoufuken #[ ooc ] ✧〖 bid farewell to weaver’s town 〗 #[ v. ghost ] ✧〖 our memories remain 〗 #[ head in hands i am Very normal about this man and his love for his loved ones #[ and how much he loves Ace (son) and how in any verse no matter how much ace despises/spit on/renounce him #[ roger's love would never flatter for a second #[ he just never meant to leave his son in such a mess but also he is So selfish and he was dying and did what he wanted..... #[ (applies to all sons) #[ just!! #[ he could've been a good dad in some life #[ sjkldsfjl rambles momence... head smooth today has been a Day (good but tiring) #[ but also how dm'ing me usually looks like fdsjklds #[ i can and will infodump i am So normal ab my muses fr

[stackthedeck]

peter parker seems like the kinda guy that would know how to solve a rubik’s cube

Oh for sure spacial reasoning and problem solving skills off the charts

#asks #I feel like Wade could also solve one not because he’d apply himself but because it’d be funny #I’d like to think what Deadpool can do is like roger rabbit rules

[twobellsilence]

It's incredibly sad how so many people seem to praise the new Chip n Dale movie for its "cleverness" and "metacomentary on the animation industry" when all its statements fall apart pretty much instantly when you realize 1) the main """2D""" characters are just badly shaded 3D models despite one of the subplots literally being about 2D vs 3D, 2) the animation in the few real 2D characters is pretty bad for the most part, showing a gross lack of care for the medium, and 3) DISNEY ITSELF literally partakes in the practice of making souless reboots which is, y'know, one of the things this movie likes to poke fun at. It attempts to make itself appear self-aware without actually putting in any effort and modern audiences are just so used to this kind of thing they eat it all up and genuinely think it's a genius display of writing when the arguments presented in it are shamelessly hypocritical at best

#if I see another person comparing it to who framed roger rabit I'm punching a wall #LISTEN OKAY i know this might come off as 2D purist-y and god knows I'm filled with rage whenever a 2D ip is turned into cel shaded 3D #but that doesn't invalidate the fact that this movie tries to market itself as meta #when it isn't even aware that 90% of its criticisms not only apply to but are also on full display in itself #Luke rants #i hate hate hate what disney is doing to animated ips

[nilbog]

listen i usually do not ever care abt the guys who make music that i like but i think roger waters and david gilmore should just fight to the death at this point

#sorry for enjoying the works of roger waters he might be a control freak and a cunt. HOWEVER #the final cut is a very good album in my opinion. better than a momentary lapse of reason. #and also anyone that cries and throws up abt how u can only rlly enjoy the final cut if u listen 2 the whole thing in order #shut up and die i will listen to JUST southampton dock and then switch to like. the garden LAWL #this same criticism can be applied 2 the wall and dark side and animals. die

[marinerainbow]

I'm thinking of making Shiny the jelous type. Her intended character in her cartoons was envious of the protagonists' girlfriend (being doted on and spoiled by the protagonist, I mean. Her character didn't love him. Just his money), so jelousy might be a trait that was literally made in Shiny.

If so, I doubt she'd even realize it. Not until she's actually in love with someone, but they aren't with her, does it really start to show how jealous she can get of potential suitors. She'd probably need a third party to notice her behavior and point it out for her to see it.

#im boutta pass out from my forst 8 hour food industry shift #my girl Shiny is currently keeping me strong... And the want to watch Tenacious D before bed #(holy crap though i have a newfound respect for people who work in food) #(dont get me wrong! i always respected them. They deserve it. But now ive EXPERIENCED what you guys do) #(i knew it would be hard but d a m n) #ANYWAYS- mini vent over 😅 #OC tid-bits #Shiny Weasel #my own OC's #WFRR #Who Framed Roger Rabbit #disney #this applies to any ship btw #i can see Wheezy watching Shiny while shes unusually ranting about this guy/chick her S/O is seeing #and he just smirks; knowing EXACTLY what this is- and he aint gonna let her live it down #also i know that jelousy and envy are two different things; but i think they can go hand in hand? #idk i need to sleep xD

[piecedpiratesmoved]

roger when he see's shanks first bounty

when he see's buggy's

ace's

luffy's & when he finds out luffy declared war on the goverment

all while proudly putting them up on his wall, and everytime it went up? he put it there too

#apparently it's thinking about roger and his realtionship to his kids & apprentices time! #also currently this is thhe cloest image i can find that i think portays proud or fondness #note i know sabo ends up with on so apply this too #long post tw

[kanyniablue]

Ugly Guy Hot Wife is actually a fantastic trope when it’s clearly undermining “our” standards for beauty/romantic compatibility

#this was not ENTIRELY about Jessica & Roger Rabbit but it was a little bit about them #naturally this applies to gender inversions or subversions at least as much #also all the 'Gimli is the hottest dwarf & Legolas is the ugliest elf' takes. you are valid #tropes #romance

[fungi-maestro]

Lately when I tell someone in real life about Roger, they end up asking about his gender. I think if you had to put a label on it, he would be genderqueer in some way. I genuinely believe that if you asked him, though, then he would just laugh really hard and not answer, change the subject through a series of stories and lose his train of thought, or shrug and just say something like "I'm myself, baby!" He uses he/him but his gender is unquantifiable to anyone except him. He gets it, though.

#personally i think its kind of unpleasant trying to put him in a box but maybe its just because of my own gender experiences. #i hate that box!!!!!! i dont like boxing my ocs in there. #seal.txt #oc: roger #i understand it also. but i dont think its something that could be put into words or labeled except by the most niche microlabels #and he really just isnt interested in getting that deep into it with other people #i think hes very secure in who he is in a beautifully confident way #which contrasts greatly with the completely tenuous foundation Nathan builds his identity on #this applies to everything in his life btw. not just gender. #roger knows himself very well but he has no interest in telling others. you either pick it up from interacting with him #or you were never meant to know #i think part of it is that he designed his form. he chose what he looks like. so of course he has unbridled confidence and lovefor himself! #he is art! #which as a trans person i think is the most vitally wonderful things about my experience. i am art and the artist. the same is with Roger. #anyway gender fuckery is beautiful and good for them. its my little gift. #arc