#tydeus

[doob-or-something]

Was doing some research on Diomedes and found out Tydeus was a pupil of Athena, a favorite of hers to the point she offered him immortality. He was a man blessed by the gods and yet, his actions disgusted the gods himself. In battle, Tydeus ate the brains of his enemy. An act so barbaric and out of line that it lost him the blessing of Athena.

Why did that happen? How come Tydeus decided to take that barbaric action? The act most certainly did not represent Tydeus’ character (if it had why would Athena be surprised and shocked?). Could one blame the gods? Striking Tydeus with madness? Or was it simply a fatal flaw in the king? A rage so unnatural and overbearing that it took control of him completely — a flaw overlooked by the gray-eyed goddess. A mistake that she would not commit again.

Diomedes himself is typically characterized as short-tempered and prone to anger, although he has far more self control and respect than any of the other greek kings (except for Nestor I suppose). He was mentored and sculpted into the man he was in the Trojan war by Athena herself, aiding him at all times, blessing him more than she did even Odysseus. She felt she owed the family of Tydeus, most likely treating them much like she treated Odysseus’ family in the Odyssey.

She most certainly succeded in preparing Diomedes to be such a great warrior, Aeneas comments that he was second only to Achilles in the greek army (although typically it is Telamonian Ajax who is said to be the second strongest greek) and Diomedes is most certainly one of the highest-trusted greeks in the army (It is he who is entrusted with the espionage to Troy, and it is he who is tasked with choosing who will follow HIM). Diomedes also has armor made by Hephaestus himself! An honor only appointed to Achilles. He was beloved by the gods, most definitely, and talented in all parts of war — talent which certainly came from his experience taking Thebes to avenge his father.

Diomedes shows incredible restraint, care, and control in his time in the war. He perhaps represents exactly what a greek warrior should be. Not burdened by the suicidal rage of Achilles. Not hindered by the constant lies of Odysseus. Not tainted by the pride of Agamemnon. Perhaps that is why he went on to be worshipped as a divine being in parts of Greece.

#doob #iliad #the iliad #trojan war #diomedes #thebes #argos #odysseus #achilles #agamemnon #telamonian ajax #greater ajax #troy #tydeus #7 against thebes #greek mythology #mythology #tagamemnon

[ironspdr6700]

I'm up to book 2 of the Thebaid and Tydeus is officially my favorite character. You begin to understand why Athena is much colder towards Diomedes in the Iliad compared to Odysseus.

In my last post I teased that Tydeus was the original Warrior of the Mind but after reading this book I think it would be more appropriate to consider him an anti-Odysseus.

Let me explain… Polyneices and Tydeus arrive banished to the city of Argos, where they become friends (after trying to murder each other) and King Adrastus marries them to his daughters. Adrastus promises to help them recover their kingdoms, starting with Polyneices. Tydeus offers himself as an ambassador so that Eteocles (brother of Polyneices) voluntarily gives up the throne.

Now, this episode is taken directly from book 4 of the Iliad, Agamemnon confronts Diomedes:

"In the palace of strong Eteocles many Thebans were gathered at a banquet; but not even there, being a guest and alone among so many, was the excellent horseman Tydeus troubled"

But while Odysseus is a master of speeches and knows how to win over his audience with the right words, Tydeus is extremely aggressive, arrogant and rude:

"…not with rhetoric and composed serious, humble and measured prayer; but he is rude in language. And so, that loud voice, naked of flattery and with daring and with much pride, spoke like this…"

Eteocles obviously refuses and Tydeus can think of no better way to end this embassy than to threaten the king with death and, to add insult to injury, publicly remind him that his father was his mother's son (did I forget to mention that Eteocles and Polyneices are children of Oedipus?)

"What do I wonder about, if the crime has been inherited from parents and grandparents? What should be expected from someone who was born from such incest in a desecrated bed?"

That was a low blow, man.

#greek mythology #odysseus #tydeus #thebaid #Statius #diomedes #the iliad #warrior of the mind #epic the musical

[epigonoi]

tfw your dad died when you were like four and you spent the next ten years of your life training to avenge him and when you do avenge him you just move on to the next war. and then the next. all you have known is war. and everyone wants you to be more like your father. he is a warning of all that you could become. you don't remember him. you are your father's son. you know you are nothing like him. you both were pawns in the gods' games.

#does this make sense #just finished rereading book 5 and i'm having Thoughts #something something you cant escape your father's blood #thinking about athena literally using diomedes like a weapon #and tydeus being doomed no matter what he did #diomedes #tydeus #the iliad #the thebaid #kinda #tagamemnon #fil.txt

[idamante]

Concept: Athena tells Diomedes about how his own father lucked out of becoming immortal

And of course, the idea that Athena is the one who named Diomedes himself

#DON'T COMMENT ABOUT GRAMMARLY PLS #loise writes lives of mortal men #loise rambles about diomedes #tagamemnon #diomedes #a wip idk how to continue because it is being uncooperative with me #but one day i will post it #athena #tydeus

[dnasplicers]

tydeus asking specifically for hippomedon (whos related to atreus) as he calls for melanippus' head. my fucking god

#cannibalism really does make me crazy. especially when a joke ive been making for ages is real apparently #god. book 8 is so so good #tagamemnon #the thebaid #ilod #tydeus #txt

[prince-of-calydon]

some thebaid musical stuff (costumes + set design)!

top: pre-war Parthenopaeus, Theban throne room

bottom: Tydeus (during war)

#my art #the thebaid #thebaid musical #tydeus #parthenopaeus #set design #costume design

[mechagender]

left (tydeus) is mine and right (staples) is my partners!!

#oc: tydeus #robot #android #ocs #bad word censored LOL also idk if they want their blog tagged here shrugs

[menelaiad]

when i find myself in times of trouble. homeric old man yaoi comes to me. speaking words of wisdom -

#help me. agaody branrot in deep. #i have one like this for tydeus/polynices as well. hold on

[blueiskewl]

A CORINTHIAN BLACK-FIGURED PANEL AMPHORA ATTRIBUTED TO THE TYDEUS PAINTER, CIRCA 570-560 B.C.

#A CORINTHIAN BLACK-FIGURED PANEL AMPHORA #ATTRIBUTED TO THE TYDEUS PAINTER #CIRCA 570-560 B.C. #amphora #pottery #ancient pottery #ancient artifacts #archeology #archeolgst #history #history news #ancient history #ancient culture #ancient civilizations #ancient greece #greek history #greek art

[dootznbootz]

#I'm right and y'all know it #this isn't saying he's bad because of it btw. he's cool af. that doesn't mean he's NOT a nepo baby though #This phrase was a hit so have it in meme form #Son of Tydeus??? How Athena in some things had a say in his name choice?? #Nepotism baby #diomedes #tagamemnon #greek mythology #iliad #Mad rambles #shot by odysseus

[doob-or-something]

Diomedes son of tiddies

#diomedes #tagamemnon #troy #trojan war #tydeus #how are you supposed to pronounce his name #greek mythology

[ironspdr6700]

Me, thinking to read Statious' Thebaid: I'm here to expand my knowledge of the Classical Literature.

My stupid brain obsessed with Homer's Iliad and the Odyssey + Epic the Musical: I'm here for Tydeus (AKA Diomedes' father, AKA the guy that Athena was going to make immortal)

...perhaps the great Tydeus came to stop, who in the same rigor of the insane time, also brought an ugly case to Argos: fleeing for the death of his brother, leaving Calydon and his father, Oeneus....

Me, talking with my brain: Be calm... Be calm... Don't cry as when you met Brian Azarello.

...the Calidonian was small...

My brain: OMG! TYDEUS WAS THE ORIGINAL SHORT-DYSSEUS!!!

#greek mythology #Statius #thebaid #The Iliad #the odyssey #epic the musical #athena #odysseus #diomedes #Tydeus #What if Tydeus was the original Warrior of the Mind? #What is wrong with my brain?

[lykeios]

wake up babe it’s cannibalizing your enemy time

#this post is about Tydeus #tagamemnon #queueusque tandem abutere catilina patientia nostra #classical literature #classics #homer #the iliad #greek mythology #latin literature #the aeneid #roman mythology

[godlikecunning]

yes the house of atreus is fucked (like, cesspit of curses with multiple instances of rape against family members, incest, kin-slaying, cannibalism and knowing your siblings' and/or cousins' spouses carnally and multiple cousin marriages) and agamenon and menelaus carry like, bucketloads of bagage. but

what the fuck is going on with diomedes' family

#so adrastus king of argos marries two of his daughters to those randoms who show up one day #because of a prophecy #not happy with that he arrange an uncle-niece marriage #between comaetheo daughter of tydeus and his son aegialeus #and at least a cousin marriage between diomedes and aegielae #which can also be an aunt-nephew marriage #CAN WE PLEASE STOP #also there are versions in which diomedes' grandfather has his father tydeus #via his daughter gorge #so oh well #diomedes #iliad #odyssey #greek myth #tw incest #tw rape

[catilinas]

woke up w a wretched headache + a pipe burst somewhere and now our area has no water this is so cool and sexy and awesome i am going to read the thebaid until i either feel better or die

#the polyneikes + tydeus meet cute………… (they immediately started beating one another up) #beeps

[prince-of-calydon]

Haemon 💖 been doing some sketches to figure out costume designs for the musical

#the thebaid #thebaid musical #my art #haemon #tydeus has a black leather jacket with a boar's head on the back