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loveislandthegame · 28 days

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Is anywhere else doing a sapphic route. I'm so bored that I feel like crying. All het players are exploring their options. Not only are the writers making it seem like my MC is playing the game but I have to watch my LI with someone else for months. Why is it that seasons that treat sapphic players poorly always happen to be fan favourites? I really wish the fandom could have our backs at least once mate. Literally nobody seems to care that LGBT players are getting forked over again. Can't we have a female LI appreciation month or something?

i've seen a few people who are doing claudia/bea routes! i love claud but i do hate how the game treats MC like a hoe for pursuing her when i have been loyal...to her . not to mention all the dialogue about theo & OG LI/casa guy getting pissed off every single time i flirt with her during challenges . it's getting old

there's only 9 episodes left, today's recoupling should've been a chance to actually get with the LI we want . instead we're forced to be with OG LI (or casa guy) all while he's being like "i know you have a thing with claudia...🥺" (i miss season 3 more than ever, being able to couple up with a girl in the second recoupling was amazing, should've been the standard going forward. idk why FB decided to regress)

heavy on the boredom. over half of the drama is centered around OG LI & MC . i think the only way i could make it possibly clearer i don't want him is to dive into the code & rewrite the damn game myself. and don't even get me started on sienna

with the amount of times the game prompts you to choose your "main LI," she could've easily been a bi rival that grafts on whoever you chose (like how valentina can take najuma on a date, not just the guys) of course that wouldn't fix her being annoying and one-dimensional, but at least i'd actually have a reason to care.

(it sucks that wlw players already have so few options to begin with, only to be further limited by having to choose one, way before you have to lock in a male LI . in one of my volume recaps i mentioned how the game was already forcing us to choose between claudia and bea)

i think this season is great if you're on a loyal OG LI route (or just burning the villa lol) and at this point it's just unpleasant for literally anyone else. i wish the same, & i try to call out anything "problematic," idk a better word for it, basically FB's piss poor representation of LGBT and islanders of colour. but i'm only one person, and unfortunately a lot of the fandom has more smoke for sienna than anything

and i think that lack of pressure put on FB to do better is why they're perfectly content with screwing over wlw players (not to mention i've seen some people who shrug it off as "well the show is based on straight couples!🤷🏽" ... even though the game barely follows the show anymore, but i digress)

i just hope that theo romancers (& ppl that wanted their casa LI but got stuck with their OG) who are rightfully mad as well are enough for FB to realise how stupid of a decision this was. being extremely generous and assuming the final recoupling is gonna be right at the beginning in the next episode...we'll have, at most, 9 episodes to be in an official couple with our LI. almost 1/5th of the entire season 🙄🙄🙄

an appreciation month for the ladies would be lovely though . i don't have any experience with organising stuff like that but june/pride month is in 2 months ! 👀

#love island the game #litg #litg season 8 #litg s8 #litg tempting fate #litg spoilers

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dearweirdme · 1 year

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“I'm still holding out hope that's it's all pr, but if it's not, then I'm just upset at the FS. I just wish kpop would stop doing it with how homophobic they are”

you didn’t comment on this part of anons ask so i’m not sure how you feel about it but i just wanted to give my opinion bc this ask rubbed me the wrong way.

to start because i don’t want to get misconstrued, kpop definitely does do fan service and baiting (i’m not saying queer baiting because real ppl cannot queer bait). and while imo it’s up to the fan to realize they’re being baited (not in every situation bc some ppl are good at manipulation)- especially in todays climate - and fan service isn’t always bad as long as the idols aren’t intentionally trying to trick you into thinking they’re together, it’s still definitely annoying and irritating because so many of these straight idols end up being homophobic but are participating in fan service and baiting. and of course the companies and kpop world root for baiting and fanservice but then turn around and be homophobic and not even allow idols to come out. a lot of korea in general too of course. then you have the straight fans who love the idea of their idols being gay for each other but then are homophobic and unsupportive of gay ppl irl.

so yes i definitely agree with the last sentence of anons message BUT calling taekook fanservice/baiting just rubbed me the wrong way. now don’t get me wrong i’m not saying they aren’t together but in this case let’s just hypothetically assume taennie gets confirmed tomorrow and taekook ends up not being real, that does not mean taekook was all fanservice/baiting and they’re bad for doing it. if we’re simply looking at it from a taekook isn’t real perspective (bc i know most here believes they are but just for this hypothetical in response to what anon was saying. i know i’m repeating myself a lot but i just want to make sure you get I’m not actually denying taekook) taekook have never done anything to suggest they’re together. looking at tae’s support of lgbt+ artists and hints that you take as him confirming he is or hints or videos you take as confirming taekook is real are simply how you took things in your own perspective. they’ve never done explicit baiting or fan service. they’re close and showing how close they are isn’t wrong and they aren’t at fault for what fans assume. it’s also not like taehyung has not said to “get out of your imagination” before - you cant say they tricked you purposely. what i’m trying to say is if taekook ends up being fake it is not the fault of taekook you assumed they were. yes idols often do stuff like that but taekook never have.

i hope anon and you get what i mean !!

Hi anon!

Thank you for your input. I don't think I'll agree on everything you've said, but let me cut up your ask in smaller sections a bit to discuss. I'm probably going to rant a little.

you didn’t comment on this part of anons ask so i’m not sure how you feel about it but i just wanted to give my opinion bc this ask rubbed me the wrong way.

Yeah, I try not to invalidate anyone's feelings. If someone's upset they can't really help it, even if the reason behind it might be based on bias/misinformation/whatever. I try to ease peoples mind by explaining pr-tactics, bodylanguage etc... more tangible stuff. And it's very complicated matter. There's fanservice, skinship, real connections... all those are mixed together and all of them can co-exist. I was confused about the differences between those at first as well. South Korea being very different from my own culture made this really hard to disect. So I understand why fans are confused about this. Especially with SK being homophobic and shipping between members being... normal. A lot of Kpop's standards are weird to me (being from Europe). I have a big problem with the constant mentions of dieting for instance. Young girls are so impressive and having your idols mention being on a diet so often seems wrong to me. The obvious homophobia is a big NONO. Idols not being able to date in general.... not great although maybe it does at first give them more privacy, but the backlash they get when they do get caught dating, wow! So yeah, not everything is great imo. I am very much aware though that cultures differ, and things that are weird to me are normal to them (the enlisting for instance, I've seen many fans angry at the SK govenment for having idols enlist... and it is very sad.... but then again, most of us do not live in a country that is always in a tense situation with their neighboring country, so we don't know what that feels like). I think SK is slowly catching up, but change takes time... and for a whole culture to change even more time.

There being fanservice in Kpop is not debatable. There is, plain and simple. I feel anyone who has been a fan for an extended time is aware of this. I feel most of army who aren't in an actual shipping part of fandom are real quick to point to every single act of intimacy as fanservice. The way I see it is that they make use of fanservice and skinship a lot to justify physical interactions between members. The over the top grand moments are fan service and the more subtle moments they are able to classify as skinship (which is way more normal in SK than in my country for instance). Fanservice isn't bad. Most bands and artists do fanservice, some just do it more naturally than others. Fans should know that not everything an artist does is his/her/their natural behavior... not everything is spontaneous. Artists go through media training and probably also through training to make them appeal to fans more. I use Jk's flirting in lives as an example of learned behavior, because to me those flirty comments (although hilarious) seem prepared/learned. I do think for younger fans this is hard to understand at first though. You don't want to think of your idol as someone who 'tricks' you with their learned pr-behavior. You want to feel connected on a personal level, so you ignore the business side of things. It's happening now too. I'm calling out certain pr-tactics (which is normal for any artist) and yet I get hate for it. Artists always (!) come with a portion of business, they aren't able to do what they do without it. I’m not sure fanservice is supposed to look ‘queer’, I often feel the intent initially (in kpop) was to make it look obvious that it’s fanservice, but some artists just have such great chemistry that it’s easy for fans to start believing it. And once that seed has been planted, it’s hard to get rid of. But having a ‘ship’ alive and thriving isn’t actually bad for business, so labels probably don’t mind much (and might even encourage). It keeps the ships alive, but there will always be enough of army to immediately call "Fanservice" to 'defend' their artists.

I think you are trying to say that Tae and Jk have never done anything to blatantly state that they are together. They have not been obvious about it, so us interpreting situations would have been us interpreting things wronly and therefore we are to blame for misunderstanding (did I understand you correctly). I do agree that they haven't intentionally been obvious about it. I feel very strongly that they do not intent to out themselves and that they even try to protect their relationship from being outed. There have been many moments that I feel their feelings were obvious, but we weren't supposed to pick up on those. In general, because at times they might have felt a bit more bolder, I think they want us to think they are really close friends. I do also feel though, that Tae and Jk have done fanservice (so maybe we disagree on this a bit). I think things can be both. Jk sitting on Tae's lap during the Las Vegas show to me was both fanservice and them wanting to. It’s like getting to do a part of your job that you really really enjoy. From a business perspective it would also be weird to never have Taekook do fanservice together, because they are obviously close, they are in the top physically affectionate members, and all members do fanservice on occasion. I think these things can co-exist. I feel fanservice comes so easy for Tae and Jk though, they just melt into each other. The way their bodies operate around each other is so lovely to see. Can we be mad about them doing fanservice? No, it's part of their jobs. Can we be mad at fanservice in general? Honestly, it would make fandoms lives so much easier if they were to tone that down a lot. Because it is confusing and it makes fandoms argue amongst themselves. Labels make use of that, because an argueing fandam means it’s very much alive.

they’ve never done explicit baiting or fan service.

I agree on the baiting, disagree on the fanservice. Fanservice is part of the job though, while baiting I would classify to a more personal level.

they’re close and showing how close they are isn’t wrong and they aren’t at fault for what fans assume. it’s also not like taehyung has not said to “get out of your imagination” before - you cant say they tricked you purposely. what i’m trying to say is if taekook ends up being fake it is not the fault of taekook you assumed they were. yes idols often do stuff like that but taekook never have.

Absolutely, they should definitely be able to express their closeness how they want. It's wrong to assume intimate behavior between men can't be romantic, but it's also wrong to assume intimate behavior between two men automatically makes them queer. My believe in Taekook stems from all things combined, the frequency of intimate behavoir, the body language, patterns in behavior, clues about queerness, the way I feel they were being hidden.

I don't know if my answer is satisfying, or comprehensable even... it's difficult matter and I feel I’ve just been babbling here 🙈.

#anon #taekook #not saying that western music industry is better by the way #they are meased up in many ways as well #yes this is long

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tvheadfalls · 2 years

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i completely get that fear T_T esp since im scared my work will get misinterpreted or ppl will be mad that the queer rep isnt specifically tailored to them.. also like. looking at the way boyfriends comic has been treated terrifies me. like ppl have mercilessly torn that thing to shreds and i have seen almost 0 critical reasons as to why, coming from someone who hasnt read it it sounds like they just hate soft gay ppl T_T

idk anything abt the boyfriends thing (yes ive seen the accusations but they always immediately get debunked?? but idk) so yeah i agree, just feels like ppl put the standards of like mainstream media made by corporation and public figures onto some random internet person making a pastel uwu boy gay comic, and thats kinda exactly what im worried abt

not still talking abt boyfriends here bc again idk abt this, but ppl always talk about how you shouldnt put the same standards on lgbt indie creators but like it always happens every time anyway, and by the same ppl who say that too, its wild. and its not even actual criticism most of the time its just public ridicule

not even nescessarily original stuff either this happens with "cringy" fanart that gets big now too, even if there are actual concerns to be had with whatever its about, its always stuff that the creator never rly wanted outside their personal bubble being shared around as memes and its just like, man i dont give a shit what ppl draw cutesy fanart abt in their free time it doesnt matter cries, privacy is dead bro, i miss stuff being contained in specific forums and stuff so much, and dont even say that they shouldnt post it then bc man artists are starting to feel this with literally ANYTHING that might not be completely neutral sanitized stuff. and this is the website that constantly goes "you guys are pushing artists out by not interacting w them :'(" you guys r pushing artists out by being snobby and annoying actually

#ask #do not send me discourse abt boyfriends ill fucking explode

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anawkwardlady · 2 years

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Forgive me Mother, for i have sinned

i think i'm becoming bigoted. i start to get annoyed whenever i see gay ppl online and i dont like to see lgbt and pride stuff. i used to be a huge ally when i was younger but now i'm becoming someone i don't like. idk why it's happening and i keep telling myself not to be like this.

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i wasn't excepting this so

Okay so here's the thing. I don't know if it's an education thing or some kind of internalized lgbt+ phobia because I don't have the context. And first of all, it can also happen to have a first passive thought that doesn't reflect our position as long as you're able to criticize it and actually don't think/act like that. But I don't know if thats the case here. The only thing I can tell you is that even if you're mostly progressive, if you've been raised in a most conservative background, any progressive take you're not used to, you're going to push back against it first because you are going to try to protect your initial views before accepting it. Even if you think you became a big ally. So thats a thing. I don't know you so it could also be something about you thats hard to accept about yourself so you're annoyed about other people being out and proud. Maybe you don't interact with lgbt people outside of extremely niche internet spaces and it influence your views on the community idk. Maybe you're consuming radicalizing content. The only thing i can tell you is, its a good first step to recognize, stop and think when you're having these bigoted thoughts. Think about what are you finding annoying exactly ? Why ? Are these people hurting me ? So then why am I annoyed ? Are these thoughts rooted in stereotypes ? Can I research that and deconstruct my thoughts with facts ? Do I actually think like that or am I just projecting/or else ? How can I relate to/understand their oppression etc etc... so you don't get deeper and deeper in "annoyance" if not hatred. Its always good to check the Alt Right Playbook for good measure. I gave you all my keys I think, I hope you'll find a way to... figure that out.

#answered #tw homophobia #tw lgbtphobia #i have to say im a bit surprised to that someone who find queer ppl/content annoying would check this blog lol #confession #oh and please i accepted this ask to help but dont throw all your bigoted thoughts in my inbox

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littlebabycrybtch · 5 years

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dan howell: [comes out as gay]

yall: thats fine but just reminding everyone that i still dont like dan howell! i dont think hes funny!!!! i never liked him!! just saying like im still gonna make cringe memes about him just wanted you all to know, i dont like dan howell. hes not good or funny or entertaining i dont like him. i DONT like him. just so everyone is clear.

me: oh thank god, i was so concerned about your personal dislikes during this sensitive event, this is totally the place and time to reiterate these unnecessary judgemental feelings and isnt selfish at all

#dan howell #lgbt #lgbt+#danisnotonfire #tldr shut the fuck up lmfao #no one cares!!! no one cares why you think a man is cringey when he just came out of the closet in a 45 minute video about like #homophobic bullying and internalized prejudice and fearing that he wont be accepted into the lgbt+ community yall are so annoying #you can handle keeping it to urself why you dont like him while ppl try to support thsi human being experiencing homophobia like i #can you do it do you think you can .... do u want me to hold ur hand .... is it that hard to not be vocally judgemental from time to time #goddd yall seriously need to get a personality how do you not realize how shitty and unhealthy it is to think you HAVE to hate things #ALL the time LOUDLY and MAKE people validate you for it #you already know you're allowed to dislike stuff!!!! stop using opportunities like this for validation its so fucking selfish

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zhilan · 3 years

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was debating on voicing this or not, but saw a convo on talking about something similar so thought to share. Even if there's some true Melby fans, it feels like straight shippers have convinced the Charmed writers to go with Melby, and by extent straight shippers got to speak over queer fans on a queer story. Melby still feels forced and I just can't really back it up. I feel bad for Bethany, who apparently is gay herself, having people have this talk about a character she plays. 1/2

Pre Charmed I was one that never really saw much difference if it was a gay or hetro person playing a gay character. I never saw the big deal about whether a person of x sexuality or race wrote about a gay or poc characters. Charmed changed that, with Melonie Diaz seemingly being anti Abimel, not understanding why people shipp them. The writer stuff is self explanatory at this point, sad it feels like ppl r ok with gays getting less if it's cis het pocs benefiting. (2/2)

Okay, so a lot of things here but first we'll talk about Melby. I agree there are some people who do genuinely like them (but they’re few tbh). I was one of the people genuinely excited for Melby when Ruby was first introduced - especially because I was feeling zero chemistry from MelKat and I was so relieved they replaced Kat with Ruby as a love interest because for me personally, I do think Melby does have chemistry and I was into it. But the season progressed... and nothing. My big problem with Melby is that their entire relationship was developed offscreen, and the very very very little that we do have onscreen doesn't really have much continuity. I mean. Here's a summary of their development (like this is ALL the Melby content leading up to the ILY:

2x12, they meet

2x13, they wake up in bed together (awesome, we never even saw their first kiss LOL), end of episode they decide to be casual

2x19, they break up (even though they weren't even a couple??)

3x02, they're back together without addressing the issue with magic

3x06, they break up, again. make up again.

3x12, they're saying i love you

Like... literally WHAT?! what?!?! I've seen many poorly written wlw relationships (because that seems to be a standard for a lot of shows) but damn, Melby takes it to a whole new level. And I think the thing that makes it even more frustrating, is that the fact is literally all the other wlw ships, canon and non-canon (that's Melko, Melda, Melkat and Abimel) ... ALL have better writing, better build-up and better development that Melby has. It's the fact that we've had better wlw writing before this, that's why it's harder to just be okay with it because we know the writers are actually capable of doing better, so why are we stuck with a non-existent ship instead? I’d take Melko, Melda, Abimel and even Melkat whom I don’t really like - over Melby because they all actually have content. And Jada, Niko, Kat and Abigael are their own person, instead of a love interest written to fit Mel in whatever way is convenient (which is a whole other issue too). And it feels even more unfair when you consider Melby only gets about a tenth of screentime compared to the het ships on the show when Mel is just as much a lead character as her sisters.

And so yeah. And it sucks and it’s annoying because it’s mostly the straight people shoving it down our throats - blaming the lack of investment for Melby on racism when it literally has nothing to do with that, and everything to do with - again, the lack of everything! (And omfg, is2g when it’s the white cishets telling qwoc who ship Abimel we’re racist.... stfu perhaps??) Honestly, Melby scenes for me are cute - on their own, without context bec with context it just sucks. They’re enjoyable, but they’re not exciting because the best part about shipping is the build-up, the waiting-for-it-to-happen. Melby had none of that. And that’s usually the part where you start getting invested on a ship, yk. At least that’s how it is for me.

As for Bethany, yeah I agree it sucks because... I mean I don’t know her, but I follow her Insta and she seems like a genuinely nice person (with a super cute cat!) and idk I mean I haven’t seen people tagging her or anything when expressing disappointment with Melby so I don’t think she’s aware of the discourse. (I hope, because she deserves better than that) but honestly none of the criticism for Melby falls on Bethany. It’s not her fault at all. It’s on the showrunners for having it play out the way that it has.

And Melonie. I mean yeah. I have nothing against her, really. But as far as wlw representation goes, we know that she has a voice in the writers room from one of her interviews and even Abimel aside since that’s not the canon ship, I feel like it’s important to notice that even for Melby she doesn’t really push for more of it. She seems very content with what we’re given (which is next to nothing lbr) and I’m kinda meh about it — and I agree this is where the difference between having hets play gay characters matter. Because gay people will usually push for better gay representation because it’s personal to them and they know exactly what it means to the audience. Like look at how Chyler Leigh from Supergirl is constantly pushing for better wlw. And of course that’s not to say hets never do that because some do (like Azie Tesfai, for example bless her soul), but then for some it’s just a job. And to be clear, I’m not hating on Melonie for not doing more, but I think it’s also true that an actual lgbt actor might make more effort.

** I always think there should definitely be poc writers for poc characters though, that’s non-negotiable. And lgbt writers for shows with lgbt characters. Charmed is lacking in both, unfortunately.

#inbox #charmed 2018 #abimel #long post #the anti's are actually rly annoying tbh #like we can all have our opinions #or we should #but no the anti's wanna shove their opinions down our throats #and can't stand that not everyone agrees w them and not everyone sees it the way they do #i don't like their het ship but i dont go picking fights and calling them delusional for it #smh. i mean well. twitter specifically #tumblr's generally peaceful thank god

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volfoss · 2 years

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💛💛💛 I AM NODDING AT YOU

DINO I AM ABOUT TO HIT U W THE BEAMS. THIS IS GONNA BE UM. VERY LONG. ALSO UM. WARNING THAT I GO A BIT UM. OVER THE TOP W IORI STUFF (IT IS IMPORTANT PROMISE <3) I ASSIGN U...

Kyo Kusunagi!

^ mister protagonist energy (he is the protag btw for the first arc)

BUT. let me tell u all about him. hes just like. goofy guy. hes SO bad at school bc he just rly like struggles w motivation for it. he writes RLY bad poetry but rly enjoys writing it anyways! i literally like. dont know where to start bc he has SO much to him. i will um. explain family feud stuff in a bit but for now. i am gonna hit u w the fun facts! he has fire powers!! (which um. dear god. this is part of his problem but like i WILL get there) hes an only child! he has a gf but um. kinda sussy (i will ALSO get there). umm!! he loves his motorcycle and broiled fish is his fave food! hes rly good at hockey and loves rock music! he hates putting in effort w things. he also um. has like hundreds of clones/ppl w his dna. long story. BUT personality time!! hes just like some guy and p chill but also like passionate. he doesnt necessarily wanna fight his arch nemesis (i will ALSO get there later) bc he just like wants to chill. he literally cares SO much abt the people around him (his friends and family and gf) like hes just genuinely a good hearted and loyal guy but by god he just gets thrown into shit.

SO now let me get into the aforementioned shit/rivalry/murder boys/clones. to like make the legend short- big bad guy (kinda demon snake guy. its hard 2 explain) named orochi was sealed away MANY years ago by Kyo's and Iori's (we will GET THERE) but Kyo's ancestor basically got all the love for this VERY dangerous feat and Iori's ancestor wasnt happy abt this so basically unsealed orochi and kinda like?? let him merge w him in a way. their families fucking HATE each other bc of that. but like this has carried on for um. a rly long time. to make ANOTHER long story short, both Kyo and Iori are in the kof tournament. i need u to know these men have like. the homoerotic enemies vibes so so bad. here is a selection of ACTUAL in game quotes:

Iori: "I thought you were dead..." to which Kyo replies: "I'm not going to live at your convenience!"'

Iori: "You don't have to talk..." to which Kyo replies: "No, we don't..." AND THEN IN UNISON: "Let's do it!" <- guys will literally be enemies but speak in unison and know each other well enough to not even have to talk before fights

Kyo: "What color are your flames?" <- he is worried he is like. possessed by orochi btw. Iori: "That's all you have to say? Well then…" Both: "Get lost!"

Kyo: "Follow me no more..." (this is like. if he wins against iori. girl. he is literally following him around to basically try and kill him btw)

Kyo: "Are you satisfied now, Yagami?" <- after winning a fight against Iori

Kyo: "You're weighing me down! It's the kiss off, losers!" (vs. Iori) (THE KISS OFF. GIRL. WHY IS THIS UR PHRASING)

Iori: "Kyo... "Kyo: "Yagami..." Both: "Let's do this!" (WHY ARE U LIKE THIS BESTIE. "lol yeah lemme just say my rivals name in a very intense and soulful way")

Kyo: "How many times do I have to win before you give up? You're annoying me, Yagami!" (vs. Iori) (LITERALLY JUST. OK.)

Kyo: "Just lie there, Yagami. I'LL take care of Ash!" (vs. Iori) (they both like wanna mutually kill Ash (my bestie forever and ever) and like hes literally like yeah babe relax dw <3)

Kyo: "That was a good one! Yagami!" <- Girl. HE IS UR ARCH RIVAL. WHY ARE U ENCOURAGING HIM

finishing off them (this is not all of them btw) w this:

^ context of Mature and Vice are Iori's teammates and LITERALLY in love (i can go NUTS abt this in our dms but rn this isnt abt them) and Benimaru and Daimon are Kyo's teammates and friends (we WILL get to them!!)

so like. let me rq um. link to my little iori kyo moodboard bc i need u to see it w the context etc. let me also link a few other lgbt iori kyo posts. the um context for these is that well. kyo got kidnapped and iori decided sure. lets go against this MASSIVE organization singlehandedly to save him, then um. hashtag girl iori died and kyo proceeded to do EVERYTHING he could to bring him back. post 1 post 2 post 3. ALSO in a different manga um. these panels happen.

they also have like sun and moon symbolism. both have fire powers.

OK. enough of the guys being lgbt as fuck we are onto kyos bestie hours. (we will circle around to the lgbt moments when i get to images. promise <3)

SO. Kyo's besties are Benimaru Nikaido and Goro Daimon!

L to R- Benimaru, Kyo, and Goro! Benimaru kinda like is his rival but friendly like they get along 90% of the time and Daimon is v much the strong silent type but hes VERY cool. i find it endlessly funny that sometimes iori will pass messages thru benimaru to kyo. find this dynamic funny bc benimaru wants iori DEAD.

OK. i like. think ive touched on everything i need to so. blorbo image moments.

^ needed to show u his goofy little kof 2000 outfit. hes gone thru a lot of outfit redesigns but i love this one. goofy lil guy.

^ GOING INSANE. this is i believe a little team up moment but they both look SO cool

^ from kof for girls. also important detail that is CANON. they play in a band together and the VA's like actually sing so um. youtube link to one of the songs from the cds for 96! i um linked this song before i listened to it and guys will have like. romantic as shit duets w each other.

^ GAMER KYO MOMENTS. (this is a promo for the neo geo pocket color which is a console that SNK (company behind KOF) made!)

^ LOVE this art. very swagtacular

^ LOVE THIS ART. love seeing the kof characters chilling (altho this is Kyo from KOF and Sakura from Street Fighter, but STILL.) this image just like. brings me peace

i like. def cant put every single pic of him that i love on here but ill toss u a gallery link

kyo is just like such a genuine character and so nice and ive latched my little brain onto him so badly so i think u will like him <3

#asks #kof posting #i go INSANE over kyo btw.

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skunkes · 2 years

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Being born in 2001 (cringe ik) I have seen a few episodes so I get the vibe of the Era writing, but I'm interested enough from the perspective of the LGBT people I've seen enjoy it. I've been looking for something fun to watch!

oh for sure...theres no canon stuff there (except the Todd. Worst best worst best bi rep ever i love him actually. And random characters like kelso's son) i think i enjoy it mostly bc of the nostalgia of watching it near yearly for almost a decade so i think it is a fun show!

Its only recently that i decided to spice it up by whipping out my gay lens like what if x and what if y and what if LGB + T. Idk. Like i get why ppl think its #annoying to do that but it does make for fun explorations of the media if you think about how it wldve played out ^_^ like even w.o the gay perspective its always been a comfort show/something i can have in the bg. And a few eps I have to skip lest I cry my eyes out sjfjksufjhs BUT YEAH the headcanons Enhance it for me recently

#anonymous #skunk mail

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ocdhuacheng · 3 years

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Not to prolong the novel artist discussion or shit on anyone (feel free to ignore me!) but your tags - basically! Stuff like that can be very uncomfortable. I'm also always hmm when I see art lobbing the "bottoms" as one group and "tops" as another; just feels weird and forced but might be a me-problem. Or the "twinkification" as you stated, or stereotypical depictions of roles/marriages (like. One's wearing a woman's wedding robes and a veil... That always frustrates me, lol. Not to say that men can't choose to do that, but it says a lot that it's always the "bottom" and not the other way around or both.) - Which they all have.

Anyway, I think I'll just wait to see what kinda art is in the books (ppl are bound to post) before thinking of purchasing it. Do you know if there are going to be ebooks?

ur not bothering me dw dw djdjdj but yeah exactly.

it’s not just a you problem I get sooooo 😒😒😒 whenever I see like art of wwx and xl and sqq together and lwj and hc and lbh together like I just do not trust like that at all

also it makes me feel so dramatic about getting annoyed at innocuous things in fanart like that but it’s like sometimes innocent looking things just scream to me that the op is a fujo……..

and like logically I know why xie lian dressed up as a bride and id be completely fine with it if tgcf was written by a gay man, but I also know why mxtx chose that plot point specifically so there’s just part of the entire thing that bugs me. And everyone keeps latching onto xie lian as being the ‘girl’ in the relationship because of it. the other reason I was annoyed with the bride arc is just. the misogyny and transphobia/transmisogyny was SO fucking annoying like we get it mxtx ur cishet and you hate women and the lgbts

but its like my expectations are low so I deal with it.

and Im not sure if they’re having ebooks sorry. I don’t see any ebook or kindle listings on the websites? Maybe they release ebooks after physical preorders are fulfilled but idk why they would do that they should just offer them upfront

#.txt #asks #anonymous #tgcf

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colorisbyshe · 3 years

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you don’t have to worry about answering this if you’d rather not, but do you know who Dolly Parton is and why she’s thought so highly of ? I’m kinda afraid of asking older LGBT ppl for fear of being ridiculed but you always seemed really nice about LGBT history stuff. thanks in advance if you do!

Aww, it’s okay, you don’t have to start off the ask with a disclaimer, this isn’t annoying discourse, so it’s not bother for me to answer!

Basically, Dolly Parton is, effectively, a gay icon and has been for a long time. She’s primarily known for her music (You might know her from her song Jolene or maybe 9 to 5) and her acting but part of her rise to Gay Icon status also involved her humanitarian efforts, which included broader stuff like literacy programs but also speaking up on HIV/AIDS during the AIDS crisis and supporting many groups! She’s a pretty great ally--not all of it has aged the best but imo... language and standards were different so I’m not holding that against her.

Beyond her inclusive political stuff, she has resonated with the LGBT community for the same reasons a lot of “straight women as gay icons” have--she’s bold, she’s sexually liberated, she’s sarcastic and funny, and takes no shit. A lot of those sort of feminist (by pop culture standards) icons who get the shit torn out of them for being ~empowered~ women end up having large crossover with the LGBT community.Sort of like Madonna but she hasn’t ruined a lot of the good will around her by being weird. (And that’s putting it lightly when it comes to Madonna :|)

A lot of her intentionally exaggerated looks (the massive boob implants, the large hair, the bold make up) also resonates n the drag community, who iirc she has allied with and supported in the past.

Someone with more intricate knowledge of Dolly can probably delve in deeper than this--going into her growing up poor and alienated from her own community and how that appeals to LGBT people looking for someone to look up to would be a good start--but this is like the BROADEST and most simplified gist of Dolly Parton’s DECADES long journey as a sort of gay icon.

The TL;DR of it is she rose to celebrity through great music (many of which she has written but you may not know her for, like “I Will Always Love you”) and a prolific acting career but became a gay icon through inclusive advocacy, her own sexual liberation, and her sarcastic yet well meaning sense of humor and boldness that sort often comes with gay icons. You can probably find listicles of her quotes supporting LGBT or look up lists of her looong bouts of charity work if you want more specifics!

I’m sure more modern takes on her might nitpick more but I just... don’t really see the value in that unless she did something truly heinous and meanspirited that I’ve never heard of lol.

#i'm not a stan #or even like #an active fan #i just know that 9 times out of 10 when i hear about dolly through happenstance #she's doing something pretty neat!

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I. I don't have twitter but I am just close enough to the edge of kpop fandom that you've made me deathly curious. What the FUCK is going on there????

okay okay so Listen. I dont know if you know the girlgroup CLC but now that they more or less disbanded one of their members, Sorn, is really active making Tiktoks. She's Thai and fluent in english so most of her tiktoks are in english as well.

Anyways, recently ppl noticed how in quite a few of her tiktoks she seemed to hint at being wlw by making jokes about girlcrushes and stuff, yknow like seemingly thirsting after Jung Hoyeon (played Saebyeok in Squid Game) like half of the internet too. And kpop stans actually bought it for some reason ??? so when they left tons of comments about her being "fruity" Sorn pinned someone's comment going along the lines of "stop it with the fruity comments, having a girlcrush doesnt mean ur automatically gay". Which already made kpop stans mad but when someone dug out another tiktok of her where that edward avila guy i think asked her if she's aware of ppl thinking she might be wlw and she immediately goes "oh no i'm very STRAIGHT people, i'm very VERY straight".

Now kpop twt is coming for her for "queerbaiting" but it also somehow ended up in a queerbait war when Sorn's stans tried to defend her by making stans of other ""queerbaiting"" groups (mainly ggs like dreamcatcher and loona) that criticized her look like hypocrites bc "why can they queerbait but Sorn can't?"

And it's getting SO tiring because look. LOOK. I get it's annoying when straight people pretend to be lgbt in any way for clout i KNOW. But calling it queerbaiting is so ?? idk how to tell yall but if friends holding hands or a girl as much as whispering the word girlcrush is enough to apparently bait u to believe there might be some gay shit going on then that's kind of your problem, not theirs ....

#this got a little long but #basically this #asks #anon

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adorpheus · 3 years

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on fujoshi and fetishization

Lately, more and more, both here on tumblr and on other sites, I keep seeing people spew unfiltered hatred at fujoshi - that is, women who like mlm content such as gay fanfic and fanart featuring men with other men. And I don’t mean like a specific type of fujoshi, like the ones who are genuinely being weird about it, but just like a general hatred for girls (but especially straight identifying girls) who express love for gay romance.

I hate to break this to you all, but women (including straight women!) actually are allowed to like mlm fanfiction and fanart, even enthusiastically so. A woman simply expressing her love of gay fanfic, even if it is in kind of a cringey way or a way that you personally don’t like, is NOT automatically fetishization.

I’ve been on the receiving end of fetishization for my entire life, from a very young age, as many black and brown folx have, so I consider myself pretty well acquainted with how it works. Fetishization isn’t just like, being really into drawings of boys kissing, or whatever the fuck y’all are trying to imply on this god forsaken site.

Fetishization is complicated imo, and can encompass a lot of things, such as (but not limited to):

1 - dehumanization, e.g. viewing a group of people as sexual objects who exist purely for entertainment purposes, rather than acknowledging them as actual people who deserve respect and rights

and

2 - projecting certain assumptions onto said people based on their race/sexuality/whatever is being fetishized. These assumptions are often, but not always, sexual in nature (like the idea that black people in general are more sexual than other races, etc etc etc).

I’m going to use myself as an example to illustrate my point. Please note this isn’t the best or most nuanced example, but it is the most simplistic. A white person finding me attractive and respectfully appreciating my black features as part of what makes me beautiful is not, on its own, fetishization. A white person finding me attractive solely or mostly because I’m a PoC is now in fetishization territory. Similarly, assuming I’m dominant because of my blackness (like saying “step on me mommy” and shit like that) is hella fetishistic.

That being said, theres definitely a difference between how fetishization works in real life with real people, and how it shows up in fandom.

Fetishization manifests in many different ways in fandom, but most commonly on the mlm side of things, I personally see it appear as conservative (or centrist) women who love the idea of two men together, but don’t actually like gay people, and don’t necessarily think LGBT+ people deserve rights (or “special treatment” as its sometimes dog whistled). These women view queer men as sexual objects for entertainment rather than an actual group of people who deserve to be protected from systemic oppression. I’ve noticed that they often don’t even think of the men they “ship” together as actually being gay, and may even express disgust at the idea of a character in an mlm ship being headcanon’d gay. In case its not obvious, this is pretty much exactly the same way a lot of cishet men fetishize lesbians (they see “lesbian” as a porn category, rather than like, what actual LGBT people think of when we read the word lesbian). There’s a pretty popular viral tweet thread going around where someone explains seeing this trend of conservative women who like mlm stuff, and I have also personally witnessed this phenomenon myself in more than one fandom.

The funny thing is, maybe its just me buuuut.... The place I see this particular kind of fetishization happen most is not in the anime/BL fandom, from which the term fujoshi originates - I actually see these type of women way way more in western fandom spaces like Supernatural, Harry Potter, and Hannibal. I can’t stress this enough, there’s a shocking amount of people who are like, straight up trump supporters in these fandoms. If you want to experience it, try joining a Hannigram or Destiel group on facebook and you will probably encounter one eventually especially if you happen to be living through a major historical event. Like these women probably wouldn’t even be considered “fujoshi”, because that term doesn’t really apply to them given they aren’t in the BL/anime fandom, yet they’re the ones I personally see actually doing the most harm.

Of course this isn’t the ONLY kind of fetishizing woman in the mlm/BL world, there are other ways fetishization shows up, but this is the most toxic kind that I see.

A girl just being really into BL or whatever may be “cringe” to you, or she may be expressing her love for BL in a “cringey” way, but a straight woman really enjoying BL is not, on its own, somehow inherently fetishization. Yes, sometimes teenage girls act kind of cringe about how much they like BL and that might be annoying to you, but its not necessarily ~problematic~.

That being said, IT NEEDS BE REMARKED that a lot of the “fujoshi” that you all hate so deeply, are actually closeted trans men or nonbinary people who haven’t yet come to terms with their gender identity, or are otherwise just NOT cishet. I know because I was one of these closeted people for years, and I honestly think tumblr and the cultural obsession around purity is one of the many reasons I was closeted so deeply for so long. STORYTIME LOL!!! In my early adolescence, I was a sort of proto “fujoshi”. I identified as a bi girl who was mostly attracted to men, or as most (biphobic) people called it, “practically straight”. I wrote and read “slash” fanfic and looked at as well as drew my own fanart. We didn’t use the term fujoshi back then, but that’s definitely how I could have been described. I was obsessed with yaoi, BL, whatever you want to call it, to a cringe-inducing degree. I really struggled to relate to most het romances, so when I first discovered yaoi fanfics (as we called them at the time), I fell in love and felt like I finally found the type of romance content that was made for me. I didn’t know exactly why, I just knew it hit different. LGBT+ fanart and fanfiction brought me an immense amount of joy, and I didn’t really think too hard about why.

At some point, in my early 20s, after reading lots of discourse™ here on tumblr and other places like twitter, I started to get the sinking feeling that my passion for gay fanfiction was ~problematic~. I had always felt a sense of guilt for being into mlm content, because literally anyone who found out I liked BL (especially the men I dated) shamed me for liking it all the fucking time (which btw is literally just homophobic, like can we talk about that?). In addition to THAT bullshit, now I’m seeing posts telling me that girls who like BL are cringey gross fetishists who inspire rage and should go die?

Let me tell you, I internalized the fuck out of messages like this. I desperately wanted to avoid being ~problematic~. At the time, I thought being problematic was like the worst thing you could be. I was terrified of being “cancelled”, before canceling was even really a thing. I thought to myself, “oh my god, I’m gross for liking this stuff? I should stop.” I beat myself up over this. I wanted so badly to be accepted, and to be deemed a Good Person by the internet and society at large.

I tried to shape up and become a good ally (lmfao). I stopped writing fanfic and deleted all the ones I was working on at the time. I made a concerted effort to assimilate into cishet culture, including trying to indulge myself more deeply in the few fandoms I could find that had het content I did enjoy (Buffy, True Blood, Pretty Little Liars, etc). I would occasionally look at BL/fanfic/etc in private, but then I would repress my interest in it and not look for a while. Instead I would look at women in straight relationships, and create extremely heterosexual Couple Goals pinterest boards, and try to figure out how I could become more like these women, so I, too, could be loved someday.

This cycle of repression lasted like eight years. Throughout it all, I was performing womanhood to the best of my ability and trying to become a woman that was worthy of being in a relationship. I went in and out of several “straight” relationships, wondering why they didn’t make me feel the way reading fanfic did. Most of all, I couldn’t figure out why straight intimacy didn’t work for me. I just didn’t enjoy it. I always preferred looking at or making gay fanfiction/fanart over actual intimacy with men in real life.

Eventually, I stumbled upon a trans coming out video that someone I was following posted online, my egg started to crack, and to make an extremely long story short, after like 3 years of introspection and many gender panic attacks that I still experience to this day, I realized that I’m uh... MAYBE... NOT CIS..!? :|

I truly believe if I had just been ALLOWED TO LIKE GAY STUFF WITHOUT BEING SHAMED FOR IT, I probably would have realized I was trans way way sooner. Because for me, indulging in my love of gay romance and writing gay fanfic wasn’t me being a weirdo fetishist, it was actually me exploring my own gender identity. It is what helped me come to terms with being a nonbinary trans boy.

Not everyone realizes they are trans at age 2 or whatever the fuck. Sometimes you have to go through a cringey fujoshi phase and multiple existential crises to realize how fucking gay you are AND THATS FINE.

And one more thing - can we just be real here?

A lot of anti-fujoshi sentiment is literally just misogyny. omg please realize this. Its “women aren’t allowed to enjoy things” but, like... with gay fanfics. Some of the anti-fujoshi posts I see come across my dash are clearly ppl projecting a caricature they invented in their head of a demonic fujoshi fetishist onto any woman who expresses what they consider to be a little too much enthusiasm for gay content and then using their perception of that individual as an excuse to justify their disdain for any women, especially straight women, ‘invading’ their ~oh so exclusive~ queer fandom spaces.

god get over yrselfs this is gatekeeping by another name

idk why i spent so long writing this no one is even going to read it, does anyone even still use this site

*EDIT: HOLY SHIT WHEN DOING RESEARCH FOR THIS POST I FOUND OUT THAT Y-GALLERY IS BACK OMG!!!

#rant #fujoshi #I SAID WHAT I SAID #personal #gender stuff

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primordialnyx · 3 years

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eyo ma lemme rant for a bit

there was this article that talked about an american woman who lived in Bali for an extended amt of time due to teh pandemic (lol its recent relax but if anyone wants the article here it is)

feel free to ignore but i have a rundown here lol

BUT ALSO if you end up reading this, I have a little thing to ask of you at the end:

you dont wanna read the article? lemme give you the rundown:

woman travels to bali for fun for 6 months. pandemic said you sure you wanna come back? *covid bitch* so the indonesian gov. allowed foreigner to extend their stay despite higher and higher cases of covid rising right? okay all good right... except american women decides to LITERALLY SELL A BOOK ON HOW TO GET THAT GOOD LIFE IN BALI.

is getting that good life controversial? whyy ? well im glad you asked! in her book/ebook, she gives ppl tips and tricks on how to bypass government visas and restrictions, quoting that its the most queer-friendly place ever for cheap and all that.

ppl BIG TIME MAD (shuu they should be ok) because the dripping privilege. but like the hilarious thing is... people are getting big mad in like 2 different ways:

Indonesians are bigmad because being queer in any case is still punishable, encourages gentrification of an already heavy-tourism arae (Bali yall is hEAVY on tourism which is ok until it pushes out locals) and she wasn’t paying taxes in Bali and only in the US (bruhhh how you live in a different countryyyy howww -- also the US and Indonesia have a tax treaty to avoid double taxing).

The rest of the group (ie not indonesian) are mad because they thing its a race thing and this American woman is only targeted because she’s Black. Citing that everyone else is doing it but when she does it, it blows up to bigger proportions

Can I just? I just need to rant because this hits a bit personal for me (I mean.. having identifying as a first gen Indonesian-America, hell fucking yeah it hits different). But I will address said anger based on those two bullets above:

- Indonesians? Getting mad at tourism? In Bali? The most heavily touristy place in Indonesia?

Hell yeah they got every fucking right. Indonesia just made it off the thirdworld country list <10 years ago. There area still places that barely have running water. Which.. you know... US people you understand right? Remember Michigan? So when an American citizen overstays their visa and writes a damn book about it, promoting all BS, you gon feel some type of way.

That BS about the LGBT stuff? It’s so close to being fake news. Indonesia as a country is ranges from anti-gay to homophobic (this is very important because there are literally laws that punish queerness with death and then there are societal situations where its known but often ignored or shunned away-- can’t believe those are the only two options). Bali? Nah son her saying Bali is LGBT friendly is like saying only Brooklyn is LGBT friendly. It doesn’t make sense and frankly, its pretty fucking insulting to those who aren’t able to come out (!!! death !! yall remember!!) or are but are completely shunned from their friends and family.

ITS A RACE THING YALL BEING RACIST

I... oh god. If you are American and you said this than you’ve failed to consider that not everything is about America. Let me just say that racism obviously is a real thing but ask any Indonesia person about race and they, for the most part, don’t really fucking care. You want them to care though? Flaunt that BLUE passport. Hell pop out a RED if youre British. Watch them start caring. Your passport -- ie a visual representation of your privilege signified by your ability travel to a different country -- is the real mealticket here.

As an Indo-American who has gone back to her country, I can tell you for a fact that this is an unfortunate truth. Your passport carries your privilege. This woman got flaunted that-- she was literally able avoid paying Indonesian taxes. You know what white people do that’s also really fucking annoying and really shouldn’t be legal? Buy up land and push our the natives. Ahh but youre right, the natives should be fighting back. Mmm except... huh recently got off teh thirdworld list, barely enough clean water, little land to shelter .... I suppose they should definitely retaliate.

This American citizen wasn’t making “bank”. Like she’s not a billionaire, she just made enough to buy tix to Bali for 6 months. She wasn’t an entrepreneur of any sorts but a good, decent business woman right? She still broke the law and flaunted that and encouraged others to do so.

And.. That is why I don’t see it as a race thing. It doesn’t even make sense because there’s a whole different culture, environment, society, politics and government at hand. You cannot compare it to American environments - its a whole different playing field. When its racially induced, its fucking racially induced. South east Asian as a whole has always had this issue - colorism and what not. But..like yall..... someone tried to bring up the Malaysia incident and I’m like yeah you do realize Indonesia =/= Malaysia right? like you do understand that they are two different countries right? wtf you bringing up malaysia when the issue occured in the Indonesia?

ANYWAY UM. Please don’t reblog to add your own two cents on why I was wrong or whatever. If you have additional information that I should be aware of, message me (I’ll have anon off). I’m an adult and you are too and I welcome a civil but informative discussion on views. If you believe XYZ, I will honestly be open to answering back (mark * if you want private and itll continue to be private) without malice. I truly want to understand perspective but as I said before, I am biased as an Indonesian American who’s seen firsthand the power of someone’s passport. I merely offer than rant (lol horrendous man omfg) as an alternative to an American-centric view.

tdlr: don’t be a dick if you wanna have an open discussion with me

#dont fucking reblog it yall be a fucking adult about it unless you agree with everything here then shit son #you know what youre talking about

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pharahlesbian · 4 years

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Hello! This isn't meant to be hate, I'm just genuinely confused as fuck. Why do you hate ace people? And to the point that you put it in your bio? If there's some personal reason, like one of them hurt you, you don't have to be specific or anything. Do you just think that they're not lgbt? I'm sorry, I just really don't understand. Your problem is...we don't think people look all too fuckable?

well lol the issue here is your last statement. you really think the average non ace person is out here looking at someone they just met and being like “wow that person is so FUCKABLE!”

i think youll find that the majority of ppl will think someone is cute, get to know them, become friends, and then eventually have sex. some ppl do this process quicker, some dont.

i think its really damaging that many asexuals seem to have the opinion that everyone else is so sexed up and ready to fuck at first sight like its a damn pokemon battle that they look at themselves and theyre like well damn im not like that, guess i must be ace. when the reality is that they just have a different approach to sexual attraction and eventually sex itself, like literally every single person on earth. thats why u get soooo many ppl who at some point were ace before realizing they werent. and why a HUGE majority of asexuals are female. i saw a stat page once, it was wild. women are already so oversexualized in media and society, that of course an impressionable young woman is gonna grow into their body and feel extremely uncomfortable, may even feel violated. so sex is immediately off the table.

i agree with a lot of asexuals whose agenda focuses on the de sexualization of our society, and the destigmatization of not desiring sex. i fully believe in those things. but i do not believe asexuality should be an identity. i feel as though that is regressive. not wanting sex should be as normal as not wanting pineapple on pizza. u shouldnt need a new identity for that. anybody can have that preference. and preferably in the comfort of their own bedroom with their partner. since no one needs to know the details of your sex life lol.

so yeah i dont think asexuals are lgbt, but the issue runs deeper than that for me. and asexuals advocating endlessly to be a part of the lgbt community is a step in SUCH a wrong direction that it frustrates me. that should not be your societal focus lol. advocate for destigmatization, advocate against the sexualization of every little thing in the media. hell, advocate for sex education. not wanting sex and also learning how to say no should be paramount in sex ed. its unfortunate how horrible sex ed can be.

the point is, yall want the wrong stuff and its very sad and annoying. i would love for our society to become less sex obsessed. i myself dont need sex to live and breathe. and that is NORMAL. u are not demi ace for having sex once a month with your partner. just an example. but yeah it just angers me to no end, but no one ever hears me out because everyone just wanna be mad and they wanna be special so bad and over focus on the identity aspect and get their rocks off calling me pathetic while hiding behind an anonymous face (lol the irony) and never ever think of the bigger picture

anyway im done. i dont expect u to understand really because no one ever wants to. and the only change that will ever come about is corporations will start realizing how vocal aces are and will start using yall in their advertising and youll all be like “oreos for the win!!” and meanwhile 14 year old girls will still be thinking theyre asexual because theyre not busty oily 27 year olds surrounded by men in a coors light ad. im out ✌️

#this why im an aphobic queen #ask #ace shit

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niceallocockbro · 4 years

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realized that cishet aces/aros (and cis aroaces) who think they’re lgbt remind me a lot of christian-raised athiests (in modern day western culture) who think that they’re part of an oppressed religion

like how they use purely anecdotal “evidence” aka stories about stuff like their families kicking them out or being made fun of at school, neglecting to account for the fact that unlike ppl in non-christian religions, the ONLY way for them to be visible as atheist is if they tell people. which it might be annoying to keep secret if it ever becomes relevant, but they’re not actually being Repressed From Living Their Truth by simply omitting some of it. there’s no Atheist Lifestyle that they’re being discouraged from living. it’s just assumed that they believe in god, and that question is unlikely to be outright asked of them unless they refuse to participate in christian activities that aren’t even that much effort to do. it would really be plain stupid to come out to a devout christian family as an atheist if you thought there were going to be real consequences because you gain absolutely nothing. you Not Believing In God is not a core part of your identity that affects how you live your life in general. if you don’t genuinely need to explain, say, why you’ve stopped attending church as an adult, there’s simply no point.

there’s also how anything they DO face has nothing to do with people actively specifically hating atheists and is instead just a result of a larger issue - christian abuse - which is going to equally harm their devout family members.

and it’s specifically due to their privileged status as being christian-raised in a christian-dominant society that they’ll be ignorant to the fact that there are just entirely different concepts applied to non-christian religions. which they prove with how they’ll deride ALL organized religion as inherently bad. they don’t recognize that most other religions are essentially indigenous to where their largest populations are (or where their ethnic origins are) and have far more culture tied to them. they usually don’t even KNOW that atheists raised in other religions not only have a completely different attitude toward their atheism, but often don’t reject the religion they grew up with because you simply can’t separate the spiritual traditions from the secular ones.

atheism isn’t a religion. nor is it mutually exclusive with all religions. it doesn’t imply any set of morals, any traditions, any culture, etc. it simply means you don’t believe in the existence of any deities. ultimately, whether or not one believes there’s a god just... doesn’t matter that much. it’s internal and very personal. there’s SO much more to spirituality. which is why almost any atheist who was raised in a non-christian religion will classify themself as that religion alongside the qualifier that they are atheist. meanwhile christian-raised atheists very rarely do so.

and listen, this isn’t a perfect parallel. many sects of christianity are extremely abusive and it makes sense to want to separate yourself from that. but you can’t deny that you’ll never ever get away from christian values. they're not just in the house you grew up in. they’re in your WHOLE society.

christianity is so pervasive that it overlaps with the supposedly “secular.” ppl will say they’re completely divorced from christianity just because they don’t believe in god anymore, but they’ll still celebrate christmas and easter. they’ll still hold beliefs that they learned through christian teachings whether they realize it or not. and they’ll use the fact that their family doesn’t approve of their lack of belief in god to justify being a dick to people of other religions. because they’re convinced that they’re ALL like christianity when they’re in fact victims of christianity.

while yes, christians are all about the Thought Crimes, they don’t care nearly as much about beliefs that you lack as they do about Wrong Beliefs that you HAVE. even moreso, being open about having those Wrong Beliefs. believing in the “wrong god” and doing “rituals” that aren’t allowed, and whatnot. hell, bouts of “lacking faith” are even EXPECTED. the vast majority of the time, if a christian finds out that a fellow christian has stopped believing in god, they react with pity and a desire to help. meanwhile discovering that someone has a different religion entirely is often met with conversion attempts or outright persecution.

say a handful of ppl of different religions - jewish, muslim, sikh, hindu - were all talking about their experiences with discrimination relating to religion. even if none of these people wear identifying religious symbols or scarves or other clothing, chances are they don’t need to in order to be recognized as from a culture that’s largely non-christian.

now, you’d obviously say that it’s extremely inappropriate for a christian-raised atheist to try to JOIN this conversation, right? like, yall understand that the absolute worst thing the christian atheist could describe would most certainly be an isolated incident, meanwhile all of these visibly non-christian people are talking about very regular experiences. they would have to outright lie about their origins in order to avoid discrimination (and that still might not even work), meanwhile there’s absolutely nothing that would make an atheist get “clocked” as one. one of those original people might even also be atheist themself, but they don’t feel the need to talk about it because it’s NOT their specific lack of belief in a god that gets them persecuted; it’s the fact that they are part of a culture with non-christian values and follow non-christian traditions.

the atheist does not belong in this group - not because they’re an atheist, but because they were raised christian, and therefore cannot relate or even benefit from the conversation other than to make it about them and likely make everyone else uncomfortable at best. they could, however, certainly benefit from a conversation with other atheists who are talking specifically about their atheism.

all this to say that once again it’s not a PERFECT parallel and i’m NOT trying to make any direct comparisons between other aspects of religion, but lmao doesn’t all that sound familiar?

#ace discourse #exclus #exclusionist

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