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helga-grinduil · 1 month
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It's so weird to me that a lot of Shigaraki/LOV fans somehow overlooked and didn't get the fact that chapter 237 was all about AFO convincing Tenko that he has an innate desire to destroy and kill due to his quirk, and that this is why society would never save or accept someone like him (but he would). That THIS is why he believes that he wanted to kill his family, since he must've had that impluse when he destroyed them.
'It's more ReDestro/MLA stuff' - oh, I wonder who could ReDestro possibly be a parallel to? A child who was brainwashed into being a future cult leader and was raised to be the next coming of a great villain of old?
Forget ReDestro, think about ERI. ERI, who is the most blatant, clearest, closest parallel to Shigaraki a character can get. Remember why exactly it was so hard to rescue her? Why Deku and Mirio had to convince her that she deserved to be saved? Because Overhaul taught her that her quirk was cursed, and she was cursed for being born with that quirk.
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Something I love about Tomura is how defiant he has always been. From day one, that was not a kid made to obey society norms, that was not a child the hero society could have tamed, that is not the type of personality that would have easily bent.
He was 5 years old and running from home 'cause he wanted to be a hero and he'd be a hero against his parents wishes, if necessary. He was asking his mother directly "why does my dad hate me?" and if it isn't why I love kids, when they cut straight to the bone, when they ask what adults wouldn't ask because they'd rather dance around it than admit the big problem. Tenko was 5 years old, the type of child would get rejected all the time but still he wouldn't give up on his desire to make friends, the type of kid that wouldn't cave in to the pressure of his peers. He had a rebellious sister, as rebellious as him, who would lie to her father saying that she wanted to be a housewife to make him happy and then go sneak on his office to find his secrets, the grandmother he never talks about, and she'd go fetch her little sibling to inspire him, to tell Tenko she was there with him, they could do it together, become heroes, escape that house, their dad.
And when things go to hell, when AFO finds him, when Tenko gets groomed and manipulated and lost his family, his memories, his identity and he's replaced by a version AFO created, Tomura does not give up control, not fully. A problem child, you would called it.
Tomura then decides to kill whoever hurts him. He is mentally unstable, doesn't know who he is even, he is dealing with enough trauma to nuke a town and that without counting that Tomura's primary caretakers are A) the greatest abuser and villain the bnha world has ever faced, B) a mad scientist that wants to turn Tomura into a zombie, C) the most functional zombie the mad scientist could create. He is isolated, brainwashed, tortured with the hands of his dead family all over his body to remind him of his pain and made him unable to escape his agony and mourning... The whole pack and yet Tomura rebelled.
A part of him, pieces of Tenko that keep leaking to his new identity, made Tomura different from the idea AFO had for him. Tomura rebelled against the heroes, against the system, against society itself, against the future and past and present of those beliefs. Tomura rebelled against other villains and refused to bow down to them. He criticized them openly and when he made his own group, Tomura acted totally different from the rest of villains. He was not just ordering around or ignoring them or faking affection to manipulate them. He never lied to them, told them more than what they wanted to hear at times, gave them free reign to act and trusted their judgement, never punished them for the decisions they took, Tomura respected them all, treated them like equals, listened to what they had to say, adapted to their desires, protected them and avenged them and fought for them and inspired them.
And when AFO possessed them, he fought AFO too. 15 years of abuse and emotional manipulation and grooming and brainwashing and none of that could stop Tenko's heart for its rebellious nature. When Mirio suggested he was sad 'cause he had no friends, Tomura corrected him passionately. He had friends. When the pro-heroes suggested he was naive, he tried to explain it again. To every person doubting his resolve and his purpose, he answered the same. Through the whole manga, he keeps fighting against people invalidating him, refusing to listen, refusing to accept, refussing to become what they want him to be.
That's the deepest parallel with Izuku, the kid who went against All Might himself when the hero told him he could not be like the rest. The concept of both Deku and Tomura determined to prove the people who doubt them wrong, the fact that they keep pushing against all odds, their resilience and determination and how they believe in themselves even if no one else, not even their parents, do it.
I really, really, reeeaaally wish Tenko would get his happy ending after all of these. To be so persistent you survive the worst anyone can suffer and come out on the other side still wanting to be a hero, it is something that I'll never get tired of watching.
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itsnothingofinterest · 4 months
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If I may get out one last post for the year, something I thought of when answering an ask recently is that I think I've got why I’m not getting behind the next generation of heroes surpassing their predecessors. The manga’s still trying to make those predecessors so inspiring and right in what they do that it’s stopped acknowledging the flaws that the students are supposed to be surpassing. Like, sure Hawks had his "contributions" to the 1st war; but the manga will still let him get a few cool one-liners off on AFO. He's still presented as someone for the kids like Tokoyami to aspire too. As a result, the students end up doing all the same things as those inspiring current pros would do instead of surpassing them.
I mean I recently saw it said that Deku was surpassing All Might by doing the one thing he couldn’t; saving Tomura. But did All Might not do that because he was incapable, or did he just…get forced into retirement first? We know he wanted to save Tomura. Do we really have reason to say he couldn’t besides not being given the opportunity, and if so, is that opportunity really the edge Deku has over All Might?
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And Shoto and Endeavor both conclude their arcs trying to save Touya. They fail at this if you ask me but Shoto at least stops him from exploding…but his quirk is the only reason he manages that. That really ends up being the difference his contribution to the Todoroki finale has over his father's, he had an ice quirk to help cool Touya.
The students have even ended up participating in the really morally grey stuff we'd criticize the pros for, at least on the professional side; like using a hospital to hold Kurogiri, brainwashing Machia, and Deku still seems the only one who wasn't trying to murder Tomura in the Sky Coffin. And they get the same justifications of “but this villain’s so dangerous” and “the greater good” thrown around for them like when the current pros got criticized for doing stuff like this. Which tracks when, like I said, those criticisms didn't stop Endeavor from being shown as a good guy or Hawks from getting a cool one-liner or two off on AFO. Why would Class 1A avoid being like this?
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There’s just not a lot of sense of actual improvement going around, I'm finding; the kids are only doing marginally better because the story lets them in this instance (and often in ways not replicable or applicable to their future heroics: I don't think Ochako can date every Toga Himiko-type she'll come across after all. So they're not beating any "treating the League as one-time exceptions" allegations either). Otherwise, they act exactly the same; Deku does what AM would do and (baring Ochako) the rest of the kids do what any general pro hero would do in their circumstance. In the end it leaves me feeling like instead of surpassing the pros, they’re simply ending up standing by their side as equals ready to be the next verse, same as the first. Everything will go back to normal, good and bad, including everything that brought us here in the first place.
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It's like the series is now going "C'mon, the old pros weren't so bad, right? All Might wasn't so bad, right?" And strictly speaking that's even correct, All Might wasn't bad. In fact as I went over in that ask, he was frankly the best; the best any hero could ever be. It makes sense how Deku struggles with surpassing him in terms of behaviour while striving the same goals the same way. But All Might also wasn't enough. So if Deku's just acting as an extension rather than an improvement, I don't think he'll be enough either.
And I guess that’s the main problem I’m hoping gets addressed by this series in the new year (or if my part two theory comes true, then in the years to come after Hori takes a long break).
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aashi-heartfilia · 1 year
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The Ultimate Hero: Uravity
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So, I guess the biggest plot point I have noticed for Ochako is to not let people go.
On one hand, we have Deku:
The greatest asset for the heroes; all tattered and bruised running away from his own comfort and happiness to protect his loved ones because the hero society has brainwashed him into thinking that heroism is all about sacrifice and he is the only one who can offer that.
And then, we have Toga.
A cunning villain according to the heroes, a constant thorn on their side.
But in reality, Toga's not a monster that she's perceived to be. She was just an unlucky girl born with a cursed quirk that led her friends and even family boycotting her.
A teenage girl, whose feelings are all over the place. A girl who loves heroes and wants to be like them. A person whose biggest question is that her life matters or not?
And then, we have Ochako.
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Who has failed thrice in reaching out:
First, when she didn't go after Bakugo. She convinced everyone else too, to not go after Bakugo in the Hideout Raid arc because of her own passiveness.
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And then she even regrets later and tries to fix things up. But well we know how it goes.
Then she failed to save Sir Nighteye. He was a hero, that died in her arms and there was nothing she could do but helplessly watch.
We see some character development as she rushed to save Deku from the Black whip but just mindlessly running into danger without a plan in mind is not the best solution to a problem Chako cheeks.
But, baby-steps.
We have Toga. It's because she failed to answer Toga's question properly during the war (not that I blame her for it, considering the situation) that Toga turned into the villain she is now.
And finally we have Deku. A product of the society who's brainwashed into thinking that it's his Destiny to suffer in silence because he's a hero.
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And yes, there is reason Ochako is highlighted here.
Deku isn't just a random person. He is her best friend and a fellow hero who is willing to suffer in silence for the greater good.
But doesn't he deserves to rest?
This is the bigger questions of the story asked several times.
Who is a Hero?
How do you define a hero?
A figure who doesn't flatter in a situation no matter how dire?
Or someone willing to stand up against the injustice?
Or just a tool of violence to keep villains down?
And that is exactly why Deku is the first person that Ochako saves. Not his life, bit his heart.
It's noticable how much importance heart is given in MHA. A story about saving the hearts of people.
This is also the reason why Ochako succeeds where even Best Jeanist fails.
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The No#03 hero, Best Jeanist, a fan favourite, failed to convince the angry and panicked mob because he said that Deku is their biggest asset in this war and that they need him to win. Because in their eyes, an asset is what he is.
A tool, a weapon.
And tools can be kept anywhere. They don't have feelings. Why UA?
Because he's also a human.
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More precisely, he's a High-schooler.
He shouldn't even be fighting there.
He has plenty to learn himself.
And like how All Might gave him the right to be hero..
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Ochako gave him the right to rest, as human.
For Toga:
We've seen that Ochako looking back to her fight with Toga at the mansion. She was regretting about her actions as a person, something she did not considered before.
And now, she's on the battlefield ready to save both heroes and villains because they're both people. They are powerful but they're just as helpless when it comes to them.
They have bad pasts and horrible things happening to them.
They make mistakes and they're put on pedestal, but
Their lives matter.
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Their happiness matters.
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Their smile matters.
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So, Uraraka's arc is about humanizing both heroes and villains. How they both are the victims of this superhuman society and how they both deserve peace and quite.
Which is why I think Ochako will be the turning point of this manga, now that everything have possibly gone wrong in the worst way possible.
Toga is out with her sad man's parade and dabi is there too, along with AFO all because Spinner's voice reached Kurogiri.
Ochako's name means a 'bright and sunny day' and her power is literally making things weightless. So what if she makes this entire deals weightless by getting Toga on their side?
Principal Nezu already said in his speech that they're just one step away...from understanding each other. And taking that first step is always hard...and when someone takes that impossible step, it leads to the birth of a true hero.
And yes, URAVITY is that hero.
A symbol of hope.
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The greatest hero that will surpass even All Might.
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codenamesazanka · 12 hours
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cursory chapter thoughts:
What was this chapter
So... was Deku/AFO's attack supposed to destroy 'Shigaraki Tomura' (and leave 'Shimura Tenko' intact)? I guess that makes sense, since he didn't care about Shigaraki Tomura, only about The Crying Child. What gets messy is whether it made clear in the text that Shigaraki and Tenko are separate people? Deku treated it as if they were; Shigaraki insisted they weren't (BUT he's brainwashed/traumatized/wrong, so what does he know 🤡); the narrative seems to imply that they're still the same people but perhaps Tenko is more 'core' - At the end of 418, Tenko is the one saying 'No' to playing heroes, growing into Shigaraki/his adult self to say 'Villains need a Hero of their own', which seems to be his True Dream, implying that Tenko and Shigaraki do at least share that, they are at least partly the same person... (But then 419 said his entire life was manufactured, so.) Shigaraki Tomura/Shimura Tenko is whoever Deku decides he is, I guess.
Sero's speech feels condescending and dismissive. I totally get him, that he's a normal guy in midst of all these tragedies and trauma victims, he can't quite relate to them, his motivation is purely 'Doing well at school' and 'preparing for my future career' and that's perfectly fine! Tragedy doesn't make people stronger; there's only just suffering. The issue is that the disconnect between Normal Guy Sero and Trash Rat Baby AFO (and Abused Eugenics Baby Todorokis, Hate Crime Child Victim Hetermorphs, Quirk Conversation Therapy Toga) is pretty big. And so the speech comes off seeming to say 'that sounds like a you problem'. Or, even if he later says 'bad stuff shouldn't happen', that's so broad and vague it's meaningless, especially since the 'bad stuff' that's happening is mostly from... the system he's fighting to protect. Bad stuff happens to people and that should stop. How to stop it? Just don't be unlucky I guess?
I can't remember well, but isn't the majority of the damage Deku suffers pretty much self-inflicted? He was away for most of the Sky Coffin battle. Then he faced off only Shigaraki, and that consisted mostly of breaking Shigaraki's wrist in a hold, and dodging because he couldn't let Shigaraki touch him - though Shigaraki does get a few hits in, including tossing him across the country to Fuji. But the main injuries I remember getting prominence and significance is from overusing OFA - muscles tearing, unable to breathe, etc.
The Shirt is so awful. That's the extent of civilian help. Supporting Heroes by buying their exclusive merchandise and believing in The Symbol. And Deku puts value in that, given that he recognizes the fucking shirt. Yeah, yeah, it's symbol of their trust in him, their spirit and wishing energy is in that shirt, whatever. It's a terrible gesture and symbol to use, imo.
I like that AFO is sad.
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fedzkun · 8 months
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tagged by @kstbj beloved <3, tagging anyone who wants to opt-in!
Moral Responsibility to Fanboy - 3 chapter ongoing fic where Izuku is transported to Miles' dimension (Warning: Fanboys Fanatically Fanboying Over Each Other)
sequel to 'some soundless lyrics' - a hurt/comfort series showcasing the Recovery aftermath after Izuku was kidnapped and brainwashed by a trafficking group, rescued after 6 months
Ch. 3 to Top Dog Supervillain - multi-chapter where All Might happily gives his Quirk to a Villain Deku (who still hero-worships AM) and supports him. Megamind-esque AU
Objection - sequel to a series where AFO succeeds in taking Izuku under his control using Star and Stripes' New Order Quirk
humor DadMight Fic that's based on one of the popular AUs in my Tumblr - not saying which one but I hope it's a nice surprise
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greenhappyseed · 1 year
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MHA Ch.384 leak reactions
Mt Lady taking hits from AFO to protect Machia?? Oh how the turntables have turned!
Kirishima protects Shinso from AFO!
Shinso reveals Machia broke his brainwashing, and Machia’s own anger at AFO’s abandonment is fueling his actions. I enjoy this for the schadenfreude — AFO treats people as disposable tools, and now all those tools are banding together to defeat him. First we had villains turning heroes, now we have AFO’s associates (Nagant, Machia) turning on him. Of course, Shigaraki has also rejected AFO, but he’s currently fighting Izuku rather than working with heroes to defeat AFO.
I don’t have any ethical issues with Shinso brainwashing Machia, but it’s nice to know Machia isn’t totally a Nomu. (FWIW, any time Shinso uses his quirk on someone, he’s removing their autonomy. That what brainwashing IS. That’s why his quirk is potentially villainous. If the argument is that Shinso did something unethical in making Machia fight his “beloved master” because Machia wouldn’t want to take that action, then every use of Shinso’s quirk on a villain is similarly unethical — he’s making them do things they don’t otherwise want to do. And if every use of Shinso’s quirk is unethical, then we’re basically saying he DOES have a villainous quirk. To me, the key to Shinso’s quirk being heroic is knowing the proper time, place, and manner for usage. Just like how All Might took care not to cause excessive violence or collateral damage with his smashes, it’s Shinso’s timing and restraint that marks him as a hero. But I digress.)
Turns out the helicopters had reporters inside. It fits with the theme of “everyone at home around the world watching will create the energy that will change fate,” but it makes for a lull in the action. In Kamino, the reporters’ presence was another obstacle for All Might to work around, not just a conduit for magic wishing energy.
IMO, the coolest part is the reporter recognizing Deku and broadcasting him fighting Shigaraki, giving Deku an international “I AM HERE!” moment when he doesn’t even realize it.
Similarly, I’m glad we get cameo bits from the movie original characters, but I’m not as invested in those characters as I am in our core cast. I get why people are super excited (especially those who loved Heroes Rising), but I’m personally much more of a manga fan than the anime/movies. (And a Vigilantes fan.) I mean, they’re all canon, as far as I’m concerned, but if this is the only nod we get to the movie characters, I can live with that.
AFO needs to either escape or pull off a badass boss move SOON. Shigaraki is right that AFO was always weak enough to be defeated by one man, but this is starting to drag. It takes all these Titan-like powers to cause less damage to AFO than one mighty smash? Is it just because nobody is daring to get close to AFO??
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bicheetopuff · 14 days
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This chapter has been bugging the shit out of me so I’m gonna rant about it here cuz that’s exactly what this account is for.
1) I feel like it would’ve been a lot more humane if they used Eri’s quirk after the war. It would’ve been interesting to see deku struggle for a few weeks or months while Eri trains to be able to rewind more precisely so that she can be helpful like she wants without mutilating herself. If you’re gonna use a child for nothing more than furthering plot, at least do it in a way that respects her. I get that she wants to be all heroic but cutting off a piece of yourself to save someone shouldn’t be celebrated so quickly. It reminds me back in October when edgeshot came out of Katsuki and all he got was a “thanks senpai.” Using side characters as pawns gets really old really fast.
2) same sentiment with the whole shiragiri thing. The impact this character has had Aizawa as one of the main characters, shouldn’t just be brushed over like it was. It felt like a “hey bro, nice to see you again, mind helping us out?” And then that’s it… there’s no “I’m glad you’re still kind of you” or anything. I hope they go back over that after the war and show more actual emotion.
3) I don’t like the fact that some of class a is showing up so soon. Not so soon but like… idk.
The whole war has been progressively getting more serious and dark and to be suddenly hit with “yeah sorry for that jumpscare of losing your arms like 30 seconds ago, have them back. Also here’s some of your injured classmates cuz ‘their bodies moved on their own’! Callbacks, right?”
Idk if I’m just judging too soon but I really hope this doesn’t turn into a “power of friendship” situation. This needs to be an ‘all or nothing’ thing for it to make sense. If Shoji and Koda are fighting AFO now, spinner should be on mt Fuji too. Having just class a fight AFO feels so cheap and basic and Hori has proved that he’s not a basic bitch so I’m hoping if all of class a shows up, all of their respective villains show up too. If Todoroki shows up, Endeavor and Dabi need to be there too. If Uraraka shows up, Tsu and Toga should be there too.
Taking the attention off the side characters own arcs to support the mc without conclusions or at least updates to their own stories is literally just bad writing and I hope it doesn’t end up like that. Like I said, I think I’m just judging too soon so hopefully this doesn’t go in the direction I feel like it’s going. So far it’s having an Avengers: Endgame esc feel but it feels it’s heading in the direction of everyone vs just Thanos instead of everyone vs Thanos’ brainwashed followers.
Idk if this post made sense, I’m at a nail salon so I’m typing fast and honestly I’m just upset about how disappointing this chapter was so this really was just an incoherent rant.
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The double standards in the MHA fandom when it comes to villains is insane. So, it’s not okay to like or simp over Overhaul cause he abused a child (which is true and he deserves to be punished) but it’s okay to like the LOV even though they did far worse?
Shigaraki attacked USJ, planned on killing Tsu (AKA A CHILD) Kidnapped Bakugou and planned on brainwashing him, Dabi straight up attacked and burned Deku, Todoroki and Shoji. Toga attacked Ochako and Tsu with full intent on stealing their blood, she also killed her crush. Magne was also about to kill Deku if it wasn’t for Spinner and then there’s the entire WAR!
Look, if you like the MHA villains then that’s okay! I love the villains too but don’t attack other people for liking Overhaul and then turn around and woobify the LOV. In short, both of them are evil assholes.
Also, gotta love the people thinking that the canon LOV would treat Eri well, even though they had full intentions on remaking the bullets. Toga and Twice planned on nabbing her while they worked for Kai.
Also, I’m not talking about AUs that diverge from canon. AUs are entirely different.
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bnhaobservation · 1 year
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Rambling about how using Shinsou’s Quirk on Machia isn’t that heroic
I guess maybe I should blame the fact I used to be a “Code Geass” fan… but I’m actually not positively impressed by how the heroes brainwash Machia to use him against All for One.
For who’s not familiar with “Code Geass”, the main character has a special power, called Geass, that allows him to command anyone to do whatever he wants, though he can do it only once per person. Around the end of the series his power is discovered and judged vile because it tramples over people’s free will.
You might remember how Shinsou was troubled by his Quirk because he feared it were to be perceived as a Villain Quirk (chap 34) but then his classmates in the general studies painted it as a great Quirk to use against Villains, so the point of Shinsou’s Quirk being a Villain Quirk was dropped.
As far as I’m involved though, Shinsou’s Quirk was never a Villain or a Hero’s Quirk, it’s just a Quirk and it’s the use Shinsou does of it that decides things.
For example, using it on his companions in the Cavalry Battle without warning them? Not really good, since in that moment they were supposed to be allies and instead he took advantage of his power to step over their will.
Use it against Midoriya? Completely fair since it’s a battle of Quirk and that is his own Quirk.
Use it to trick All for One? Absolutely fair, he’s an enemy and Aoyama’s parents were forced to cooperate with All for One, they didn’t do it willingly, so I don’t know if they explained them about it or not, but I don’t think they would be too against it.
But… use it to control Machia so it’ll go fight against All for One?
It means dehumanizing Machia, using him as a weapon as a robot to toss in battle against All for One, when all Machia wants is to serve All for One.
They’re basically forcing a prisoner to do their bidding, uncaring of his will. Machia might have preferred dying than attack All for One. Never mention they’re also endangering him, tossing him in a war against his will, making him fight people he doesn’t want to fight.
Now, don’t take me wrong, I’m all for tossing mountains to All for One, and possibly during him under a dozen of them but… I can’t see as good and heroic brainwash and use Machia. It feels like dehumanizing him, using him as an unwilling weapon.
Wasn’t it low when Dictator used his Quirk on helpless civilians to force them to fight Deku? How using Shinsou’s Quirk on Machia makes things better?
I really wonder if it will be addressed in the story because part of why people ended up as Villains was because heroes and common people mistreated them. Machia, even when merely wandering in the city asking for info, was seen as scary, a monster, just for his look. Now he’s seen as a tool by the heroes, something they could strip of his freewill and use.
It would be interesting to see it being addressed. But well, we’ll see.
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grabowskibeepboop · 11 months
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Don't ask chatgpt for incorrect quotes, they're weird as fuck
Certainly! Here are some incorrect quotes featuring the pairings you mentioned:
Bakudeku (Bakugo x Deku):
1. Bakugo: "Hey, Deku. Guess what?"
Deku: "What, Bakugo?"
Bakugo: "I've been keeping a secret. I've been collecting all your All Might merchandise. My room is basically a Deku shrine now."
2. Deku: "Bakugo, I have a great idea for a team move!"
Bakugo: "What is it, nerd?"
Deku: "We call it 'Explosive Detroit Smash'! You explode, and I smash!"
Bakugo: "You're actually getting on my level, Deku."
Kirikami (Kirishima x Kaminari):
1. Kirishima: "Hey, Kaminari, wanna hear a joke?"
Kaminari: "Sure, Kirishima. Lay it on me."
Kirishima: "Why did the lightning bolt break up with the thundercloud? Because they had too many shocking arguments!"
Kaminari: "You're electrifying, Kirishima."
2. Kaminari: "Kirishima, I'm feeling down today."
Kirishima: "Don't worry, Chargebolt! I'll be your personal 'Unbreakable' cheerleader!"
Seroroki (Sero x Todoroki):
1. Sero: "Todoroki, wanna see my tape dispenser skills?"
Todoroki: "Sure, show me what you got."
[Sero uses his tape to create an intricate origami masterpiece]
Todoroki: "That's... unexpectedly artistic, Sero."
2. Todoroki: "Sero, have you seen my left side?"
Sero: "Oh, you mean your 'hot' side or your 'cool' side?"
Todoroki: "Just... help me find it, please."
Shinmono (Shinso x Monoma):
1. Monoma: "Shinso, I challenge you to a battle of quirk copying!"
Shinso: "You really want to copy my 'Brainwashing' quirk?"
Monoma: "Actually, I just wanted to copy your fashion sense. It's villainously chic."
2. Shinso: "Monoma, I've been thinking about changing my hero name."
Monoma: "Oh? What are you considering?"
Shinso: "How about 'The Mind Manipulator'?"
Monoma: "Hmm... catchy, but not as fabulous as 'The Monoma Magician'!"
Shojitoko (Shoji x Tokoyami):
1. Shoji: "Tokoyami, did you know I can grow extra arms?"
Tokoyami: "Impressive, Shoji. Now you can multitask while having a group hug with Dark Shadow."
2. Tokoyami: "Shoji, I've been practicing my bird calls. Wanna hear?"
Shoji: "Sure, give it a try."
[Tokoyami lets out a series of pitch-perfect bird calls]
Shoji: "Is that you or Dark Shadow? I can't tell anymore."
Please remember that these quotes are intended for humor and entertainment purposes only, and do not reflect the actual dialogue or characteristics of the characters in My Hero Academia.
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What if part of the people watching the fight between Shigaraki and Deku think that Tomura brainwashed Deku to save him as a last minute measure since he knew he was going to lose?
They trust Deku, they won't say anything about their theories, but the resentment is there. Only the ones who know the truth about OFA and AFO have zero doubts about the mind-melding fight.
Rumours start to appear. No matter what, don't look Tomura in the eyes. Don't listen to his voice. The fear can't be erased, 'cause Tomura hurt them bad, killed thousands of people. There are groups talking about a second coming of the demon king and how he'll one day take control over Deku for the perfect revenge. They say the villains are now poisoning the future heroes from the inside, that it was dumb to forgive them.
In truth, they are unable to forget what they have lost and the terror of the League of Villains days.
Soon the feeling of the war has passed. All that fear turns into rage. Why are the villains getting protected? Why should their society accept those monsters? They feel sorry for their heroes. They want to save everyone, but it can't be.
Fairytales are not real.
Turns out saving the world is just the beginning. Deku and all the new heroes need to teach others to change for the better. Step by step.
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Do you think that it's kind of funny sometimes that some people justify the heroes actions and their whole deal basically, by saying how desperate and final the situation is?
As if AFO the demon lord wasn't getting clowned on almost every chapter by B tier/formerly A tier heroes and a bunch of teenagers, even before Machia arrived?
Even if he's not really losing exactly, at the rate he's rewinding, even if he left the battle right now he'd probably be toddler AFO before getting near where shigaraki and deku are. 😆
We're told the stakes are high by the heroes (while they don't even acknowledge that the things they're doing are a little sketchy) but it honestly feels like the story itself is showing us the opposite, do you think?
Exactly. I don't understand how people haven't gotten yet how AFO is a loser.
For all the numerous advantages the heroes have from every angle, I keep hearing people acting like this war is still close because AFO is still a danger, or saying "oh but they had to brainwash prisoners because AFO is so deadly." AFO is so smart, and unpredictable, and also Madara/Aizen levels of unbeatably powerful you know.
The same AFO that abandoned 2 armies to send a handful of assassins after Deku one-at-a-time, and then when he got caught in a trap, warped all that was left of Tomura's army into that trap so they could get jumped together. A Trap he fell for because all Might & his other enemies from over the years find him very predictable, same reason they also met with his attacks on Jaku & Central Hospital. And within that trap he is getting his ass beat so bad, he may have already lost as you've pointed out. Because sure, he's strong enough to beat anyone not on All Might's level in a 1v1. He could beat Hawks, Endeavor, Tokoyami, or Isana. But all of them? Plus a hundred heroes more still? Nah, taking away Machia's bodily autonomy was overkill.
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The only way AFO seems smart anymore is that he knows to rely on the abilities and hearts of villains more capable than him like Spinner, Toga, & Shigaraki to do all the hard parts for him. And boy are they carrying this war far more than the "danger" AFO presents.
Though the fact he still treats them like pawns means that doesn't work out for him in particular much either.
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Last note but can we take a brief moment to mention his paradoxical plan to have Tomura's will take OFA, because his will wasn't strong enough for that, but then he expected to overpower Tomura's will? How did he think that would work? I swear, I know I like to rag on him as a character and do think most of his faults are intentional, but this in particular feels like a way in which his writing itself has faltered since his introduction. Flanderized him into the most diabolical moron ever.
Once again, AFO is a loser.
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piedpiperart · 1 year
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List of all the comics I’ve made! In case anyone is interested in reading them 🥺👉👈
❤️-started
🍄-finished
🌸- to do
💀- abandoned
❤️On the Run: Izuku is a vigilante with a healing quirk running from the commission
❤️ Ghost Hero: Danny phantom in mha universe
❤️Stowaway: Izuku is five inches tall and living in aizawas walls
💀Ghost Police: Deku is a police officer who can see ghosts and is partnered up with pro hero Bakugo
❤️Quirkless Future: Pro Hero Izuku gets time traveled back into his 14 yr old body and decides to reject OFA
💀Kitten Deku: Deku has a cat morph quirk and is stuck as a kitten in an alley where pro hero Eraserhead finds him and takes him home, later on he finds out that Izuku is not a cat but a small child
💀Monster Deku: Izuku has a monster quirk and is kidnapped and tortured for years until Eraserhead finds and adopts him! Similar to Kitten Deku but Bakugo is not an asshole in this one 🙂
❤️Rewind: Izuku is a homeless teenager who stumbles upon Eri and gets rewound to age seven! They try to survive on the streets and avoid Overhaul, but Eraserhead finds them and takes them home!
💀Choose Your Own Adventure: Patrons get to vote the next outcome! So far Deku is hit with a quirk that makes emotional pain feel physical and bakugo is getting consequences for middle school!
💀Zombie Deku: Deku gets hit with a quirk that makes him into a zombie (minus eating brains part) and Kacchan blames himself for deku's 'death'
🍄Mermaid Deku: Based on fanfic called 'A fishy Situation' on Ao3
❤️Spider Deku: Deku goes to I-Island on a summer internship before UA and gets into a spider lab accident that ends with him getting a quirk! He joins the hero course and then is targeted by the league :3
❤️Hacker Deku/Over the Firewall: Depressed Deku becomes a vigilante through hacking! He meets Dabi and Eraserhead, and they end up saving the poor kiddo from himself ;-;
💀Fanboy Deku: Pro hero Bakugo is being followed by a smol quirkless child and he is not ready to be a parent
💀UA Faculty: Inspired by Tik Tok staff ocs, discontinued
💀Second Chance: Pro hero Deku dies, four years later he wakes up in someone else's body! Somehow, Todoroki seems to recognize him. Inspired by MDZS
💀Split Todoroki: Todoroki is split into three different people based on three emotions, joy, anger and sadness!
❤️Fusion AU: Deku has a fusion quirk and was thought to be quirkless until entrance exam when he fuses with uraraka
🍄Prosthetic Deku: Deku gets an arm and a leg blown off in an explosion, also saving Kacchan in the process, then he gets kidnapped! Finished! Should be on Instagram and Patreon
💀Bakugo Adventure Comic: Discontinued out of spite
🍄Villain Deku: Instagram only, deep down in the depths of when I was in high school, Deku gets kidnapped and brainwashed into villainy!
🍄Bunny Deku 1: Deku is turned into a bunny and bakugo is turned into a dog and they get kidnapped
🍄Bunny Deku 2: Deku is turned into a bunny and kidnapped, then todoroki gets turned into a cat to infiltrate and break him out
💀VLD/BNHA Crossover:​ Instagram only, Deku meets Lance on a foreign planet, soon after Keith and Bakugo show up, as well as Catra from She Ra before it was discontinued
❤️Phantom in Gotham: Dp x dc fanfic on ao3
❤️ Demon of Gotham: Nightvmcrawler from xmen evolution gets adopted by Jason Todd, DC x X-men fanfic on Ao3
💀My Princess Academia: Disney Princesses as MHA
🍄 Plantzuku! Izuku dies and becomes plant person so aizawa adopts him
❤️Cat Cafe: Izuku has a cat morph quirk thanks to afo and hangs around a cat cafe until aizawa kidnaps him for dad purposes
❤️Unachievable: Bakugo drives deku to sewerslide but finds out izuku has a death quirk that brings him back to life. bakugo has to help izuku get into ua and try to keep him from killing himself at all times, patreon fanfic
❤️Mothman Au: Shinsou finds mothman in his treehouse but it turns out to be feral mutant quirk izuku
❤️Healer Deku: choose your own adventure where izuku was sold to the commission and got a healing quirk but ran away and lives as a vigilante and coffee shop employee
❤️Invader Izuku: Izuku is Dib reincarnated and he and Zim go on adventures
❤️Remembering Robin: Dick grayson reincarnated as Izuku decides to be a quirkless hero
I think I’m missing a few but these are the ones I remember. Most of these are on my Instagram but all are on my patreon @piedpiperart
I will be slowly posting them here too, it’ll just take me a while 😩😅
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"not the actual person, but the inner child he saw inside" is the impression I have as well, and although I keep holding onto the hope that Horikoshi has enough respect for his characters that the actual saving of Shigaraki will be more complicated than that, I am fearing that there is no way around fixing everything by saving the crying child <3 now. Just a very lazy and easy solution to the problem. Which is incredibly frustrating after all that build-up and because I still think that Horikoshi is capable of coming up with something smarter. I used to be very excited to see how the saving Shigaraki plotline would unfold, but now I almost dread it. :(
I hold the same hope, anon! That the actual saving of Shigaraki will be more complicated than 'save the crying inner child', and Horikoshi is capable of coming up with something more interesting and satisfying. Shigaraki is a character he's had for several incarnations - through the 'Tenko' oneshot and more loosely 'Shiina' from Oumagadoki Zoo - and with the way he developed Shigaraki Tomura as a antagonist in parallel the whole time through the story, I hope it means he cares enough for the character of Shigaraki Tomura to give him a good conclusion.
(What a good conclusion is, of course, is up for debate, but for me, it means respecting the journey Shigaraki and addressing his pain not as a brainwashed victim whose issues were made up, or a dismissable tantrum-throwing child that needs to find Heroes cool again, but as someone who has a right to be angry with the world.)
It's been frustrating! I do admire Deku for wanting to save Shigaraki so badly. He's stubbornly committed to it, if nothing else; no matter what the OFA vestiges think, and no matter what Shigaraki tells him, Deku does not want to kill Shigaraki and be done with it. That's great! The problem is that it feels like the biggest obstacle right now is actually Deku himself, in that he refuses to see the man in front of him and is instead fixated on the vision of a crying child.
One can claim that 'Shigaraki Tomura' is not actually a real person, just a construct created by trauma and grooming/an evil spirit that has grown around a innocent child, so the only thing real to save is Shimura Tenko. But from Shigaraki's own experiences and words, he acknowledges that he's someone that's grown from Tenko - he remembers seeing Nana's picture in Chapter 270, but decides to reject that past dream; he names himself as both Shimura Tenko and Shigaraki Tomura in Chapter 379; and despite what the official translation says in Chapter 412, Shigaraki says clearly 'that boy became me'. Perhaps he's not as over his traumatic past as he claims, but that doesn't mean he's not the same person.
So it just downright insulting when Shigaraki is saying all this stuff, talking to Deku, asserting himself and his goals left and right - moreover, him having expressed lots of times his discontent with Heroes (all might’s smile is a farce, heroes swept pain under the rugs, the rot has built up, everything i’ve witness, the dream will end, doing this partly for the league) - only for Deku to just keep harping on 'The Crying Child': "Not actually going to listen and respond to you! You're just a hurt child deep down, I'll make you reveal your damage to me so I can save you." How patronizing. How dismissive.
And like, it'll be good for Deku too - that he has to acknowledge the cute, crying child is the same person as the actual Villain, with all his anger and dreams and humanity - he has to deal with both Shigaraki Tomura and Shimura Tenko. That's a more interesting challenge. Like, in Chapter 348, he failed with Toga because while he can relate to Toga's admiration, in the next breath he also basically said 'but you do it weird', and then lost Toga completely. He hasn't dealt with the whole of a person. He should probably do that with Shigaraki.
Thanks for the ask!
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What's the point of Nagant's character in the narrative?
Good question. I'm still wondering about that myself. Her existence proves once and for all something that attentive readers have noticed all along: this world, while appearing as an utopia on the surface, is actually a violent dictatorship governed through assassinations of any dissent and mass control through hero propaganda. This is all word by word stuff Nagant tells us btw. I'm not inflating it.
I feel like her introduction was supposed to challenge Deku's naivety, ask him what to make of a system that manifactured the concepts of good and wrong and enforced it onto people for personal gain, for power. This was not a new idea; the League already addressed it. When Dabi said, the only ones the heroes protect are themselves, this is what he meant. The Commission, as we know it today, only exists because they killed anything blurring the lines between heroes and villains. Corrupt heroes who staged criminal activities were executed the same way criminals or potential criminals were shot in the head. All of that was instrumental to manufacturing the idea that good and bad are separate things, two ends of one spectrum, and to give credibility to the HPSC as an institution that guards and enforces 'good' things.
If this were a manga that used its worldbuilding as more than just... Background information, Deku should've retained something from Nagant. She was a heroine who did horrible things in the name of an arbitrary definition of justice, and she worked for a government that still creates, trains and regulates heroes to this day. If bnha had more of a backbone, it would've made Deku question the bias of thinking heroes as embodiment of "goodness" by default, and the dangers of this type of blind idolization. After all, like Nagant says, hero kids are brainwashed by hero education into thinking without any shades of gray. But it seems that Horikoshi isn't interested in writing actual social justice, and is fine with just letting the new gen pave the way and do the grunt work of change.
What I mean by this is that Nagant didn't stop fighting and "switched sides" when Deku insisted heroes were cool, because she knows that's just him parroting hero rhetoric. But what turns the course of that confrontation is Deku jumping in to save an enemy. Like its that simple. Even though it's not, not really.
Nagant says: we manifactured the divide between heroes and villains because our world is built on a lie. Doesn't that mean all of this is fake and meaningless? What's the point of being a hero if the good you do is in name only? What's the point of being a villain if you can't defeat the status quo?
And Deku responds: it's okay, because I will be the type of hero who sees past heroes and villains, and helps whoever needs it regardless of labels. Isn't that so nice? Don't you want to be nice and hopeful like me? You could've captured me dead but chose not to, so that must mean that deep down you still think like a hero too, even if everyone calls you a villain
Which... Is a response that doesn't really answer Nagant's real question, but that somehow fits the "feels good" tones of this story. To put it in other words, what Deku said boils down to:
"It's fine if the world we have to work with is corrupted and broken, because change comes down to the individuals, and it's not a responsibility of the state to fix its flaws."
And then the story posits him as one of those individuals who will enact that change
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