#sexism in fandom

[rhfffas]

incels trolling the marvels and trying to be objective with “the plot is bad”, DUDE, you’re watching marvel movies where captain america tried to choke a robot and iron man tried to fix ai apocalypse with another ai and hulk can only turn green when hes man paining and thor caused war just because his own stupidity and old man hawkeye can’t deal with grief so turn into a killer for hire

BUT YOU ARE TELLING ME WOMEN SAVING THE UNIVERSE IS BAD?????????

your misogyny is fucking showing

#the marvels #captain marvel #mcu #marvel #marvel movies #anti sexism #sexism in media #misogny #sexism in fandom #femisim #movies #sexism in movies #carol danvers #brie larson

[zoologicalcartoonvampire]

Just a thing i noticed idk..

#vivziepop criticism #vivziepop critique #hazbin hotel critique #hazbin hotel criticism #helluva critical #sexism in media #sexism in fandom

[halogenwarrior]

Ok so I've seen a lot of discussion on the website about how female characters tend to be less popular and obsessed over, which from my experience is absolutely true, but I was curious about the statistics on this website. Answer this question for your all-time favorite character/blorbo, the one you obsess over and think about most.

I know I'm not that popular on this site and it annoyingly doesn't let polls last longer than a week, so anyone who sees it please try to reblog it so it actually reaches a large number of people within a week so I have a good sample size. I would be happy if someone blazes it too, I might consider it myself though I have to think long and hard about how much money I want to spend.

Note: Canon gender only, if you head canon the character as a different gender it doesn't count.

#characters #favorite characters #fiction #sexism in fandom

[c0l0re]

Okay, so like. You ever think about the way the TMA fandom treats the female characters in the podcast?

How Melanie is constantly boiled down to just being a cold, angry bitch with no real character? Or how people just ignore that she very much is traumatized and terrified like everyone else?

How much people hate on Georgie and act like she's horrible and heartless for being angry with Jon? How they act like she's selfish and cruel for no reason?

How Helen is such a major character with so much development and personality and so much time to shine, and yet Michael is always the one people give attention and care to? How Helen is often just boiled down to "door wife" and no one ever actually talks about her as a character?

How Sasha is so often ignored by the fandom or treated as basically only a sidekick to Tim and not her own character in the slightest?

You ever think about how the women in TMA are constantly either demonized and ignored or treated like they're perfect #girlbosses who can do no wrong and people just ignore everything about them as actual characters?

And I know people are gonna get mad at me for this one, but how about when people headcanon Jon as transfem for his "feminine traits"? You ever notice how a lot of people that do that immediately depict him as more weak and powerless after that, or treat him as the "soft and submissive" one in his and Martin's relationship? It's almost like some people are taking that homophobic idea of there being a "woman" in an MLM relationship to an uncomfortably literal and sexist extreme?

And this isn't even getting into how this fandom treats Daisy and Basira specifically. I swear, those two would need an entire post just for them alone.

There is a big issue with misogyny in the TMA fandom, and it'd be great if more people acknowledged that and talked about it.

(Also, before anyone comes at me for the Jon part of this specifically: No, I don't think there's anything at all inherently wrong with depicting Jon as transfem. That is not what's wrong here. It's specifically the homophobic and sexist stereotypes that far too many people include in their depictions. Transfem Jon, and trans depictions of Jon in general, is not bad on it's own, that is not what I'm saying here.)

#tma #the magnus archives #tma fandom #melanie king #georgie barker #helen richardson #helen distortion #sasha james #jonathan sims #daisy tonner #basira hussain #fandom #sexism in fandom #misogyny in fandom #colore speaks

[centrumlumina]

What ships are this year's top 10?

Find out this year's top AO3 pairing tags and more from the AO3 Ship Stats 2023.

#fandom stats #ao3 ship stats #archive of our own #ao3 #fandom #fandom statistics #fandom stats disucssion #slash fandom #femslash fandom #sexism in fandom #racism in fandom

[lilyginnyblackv2]

I made a comment about how the lack of shoujo, josei, and female aimed series in the Crunchyroll Awards is due to sexism within the anime industry and community on a Youtube post critizing the Crunchyroll Awards for being so Battle Shonen heavy (among other things), and some of the comments I've gotten...

One dude called shoujo an "ancient genre," even though shoujo series are created and made every day, and shoujo is a demographic marker - not a genre.

Another stated that "shoujo are polyamory shows which males aren't in to and can't relate to."

???

I wish shoujo series were polyam shows, that would be so cool! But, polyam in anime barely exists. The ones that I have heard of existing are usually male targeted harem series (where the male MC ends up with all the female love interests), Otome Youkai Zakuro (one dude ends up dating twins) which is a seinen, or Star Driver which is an anime original series that also had a seinen manga adaptation.

Where are all these shoujo polyamorous anime!? lol I would like to know.

Anyway, having these discussions with these men make it painfully obvious how...unaware many (not all, of course, but far too many) male anime fans are of shoujo, josei, and other female aimed series like BL, etc. While most female anime fans are highly versed in all the different genres and demographic markers. This is, of course, all largely due to systemic sexism based issues in the anime industry and community, and in cultures and societies in general.

#anime #shoujo #sexism in media #sexism in fandom #sexism in anime #I cant with some of these responses Ive gotten #lmao 🤣🤣🤣

[jackoshadows]

Just to reiterate how Arya and Sam have these parallels of not being able to comfortably fit into Westorosi society’s patriarchal ideals unlike their ‘perfect’ siblings and yet while the theme of toxic masculinity is acknowledged and recognized in Sam’s narrative by fandom, Arya gets hit with nonsense like being ‘male coded’.

In this too we can see the inherent misogyny in this fandom, where Samwell is allowed to be different and like different things and he is appreciated for loving songs and dancing. He gets sympathy for the abuse and toxic masculinity that he faces. His relationship with Gilly is celebrated, he is deserving of love and romance.

And yet Arya gets the hate simply for wanting to learn how to use a sword (And it’s not about using a sword either considering the male characters are badass for using a sword!).

She gets labelled ‘NLOG’, there are popular posts about how her journey is ‘masculine’ or how she is ‘masculine-coded’, posts about how she has ‘internalized misogyny’, where she will never be a Lady because she is not ‘feminine’ enough. How fans only like her because she’s ‘male coded’. How she is not ‘realistic’ or a boring character because she’s ‘male-coded’.

Posts on how Arya will never get love or romance, even when older, because she’s the wrong kind of girl. There are essays about how Arya did not try hard enough to fit in, that she’s equally at fault for the contentious relationship between her and Sansa because she did not spend enough time sewing and doing things that Sansa liked. That Ned not punishing Arya for picking flowers from the marsh or getting her a ‘dancing’ master is him showing ‘favoritism’ implying that Arya should have been punished for stepping outside the bounds of patriarchy dictated femininity.

Arya is treated by fandom like she is flawed for not being the right kind of girl. That she is not important in the narrative because she’s not the right kind of girl. The compassion and kindness so very clearly inherent in the character and embedded in the narrative is ignored in favor of her being a violent killer because she’s not the right kind of girl. Her intelligence, perceptiveness, quick thinking, critical thinking skills ignored because she’s not the right kind of girl. Also ignored widely by fandom that Arya too has taken abuse and kept silent because what good would it do to react and be killed?

These sexist double standards have only widened with the TV show’s horrendous misogyny in the way they wrote and depicted Arya Stark, stripping the character of all the nuance, complexity and everything that makes Arya, Arya in the books. Instead we got an one-dimensional trope in GOT, the complete opposite of book Arya Stark. As GRRM has stressed again and again, the show is not the books and the show characters are not the book characters. Take your ‘Arya has a masculine journey’ posts dripping with misogyny, elsewhere.

[Note:I am not denying the fatphobia with respect to Samwell which is indeed a thing and the reason for why, despite being one of those rare good guys in Westeros, he gets used the least for shipping. Something that GRRM himself bemoaned in one of his blog posts. I am just referring to the difference in how toxic masculinity and femininity are treated by this fandom because while the toxicity of one is recognized, the other is celebrated as a good thing]

#Arya Stark #Samwell Tarly #asoiaf #fandom nonsense #Sexism #Sexism in fandom #anti GOT

[akuma-tenshi]

so this is a big, long rant about sexism in the idv community bc it's been on my mind lately and i need to put it out there. this is what i've observed after almost four years in the fandom and been stewing on for a long-ass time. if you don't feel like reading an essay on how annoyed some random enby on the internet is, then don't click the read more and just keep scrolling. don't interact with this post if all you're gonna do is get mad; i'm not here to piss anyone off, just make observations. and if this isn't your experience, good for you and please direct me to whatever circles you run in because i need to be there.

so, i've noticed that the idv fandom is extremely shit when it comes to how they treat female characters, and nobody really.. talks about it?? the only person i've ever seen actually discuss it used it as a way to drum up sympathy for ada. which, if you know me, you know really fucking pisses me off. because there are SO MANY OTHER EXAMPLES of sexism in this community, but no, clearly because we have sympathy for a male victim of abuse we're being sexist towards his abuser.

the thing is. there is so much to point to when you talk about how the fandom is sexist. it's very common to see female characters boiled down to just a couple traits. mary?? hot mommy step on me. michiko?? soft and gentle and demure (don't think i won't notice the weird shit about how that's a very common stereotype of asian women btw i see it). demi?? hot and drinks a lot. emma and lily are "uwu mentally ill babies". annie is soft. emily is either an irredeemable monster or a bitch, depending on who you're talking to. patricia is scary and mean. sangria's a girlboss, grace is soft and gentle, martha is spunky. and if you ask anyone their thoughts / ideas on these characters beyond those short descriptors you get nothing. i'm starting to fucking hate the word "girlboss" because it's all anyone says in response to like half these characters.

male characters are given alllllll the nuance in the world you can't talk to an aesop fan without them going into their endless headcanons / theories on why he's the way he is or how he's not actually that bad of a person or how cute he is or whatever. look at norton, or eli, or orpheus, or luca, or edgar, or joseph, or ithaqua, or any characters in that vein, and look at how the fandom treats them. look at the endless fanfictions and character studies and ships and x readers and headcanons. and then look at what female characters get. nowhere near that much.

i feel like margaretha and emily are the ones who suffer the most from this male-centric view by the fandom. they're characters who are inherently intricate, whose actions can't be explained away as entirely good or entirely bad. but that doesn't stop people from actively trying. they're going to act like margaretha wasn't being horrifically mistreated by her husband and just decided to burn down the circus for funsies or whatever. they're going to act like emily isn't trying so fucking hard to help emma and repent for what she's done. neither of them are meant to be read as black-and-white, but people will try because if they have to use more than two braincells on a female character they're going to implode.

meanwhile you get paragraph after paragraph about the intricacies of the argument between luca and alva. you get so many people analysing the relationship between norton and orpheus and how they're both kinda dicks but also both kinda have points. you get endless people defending joseph's actions bc his brother's dead and he's terrified of growing old / forgetting the people he loved / dying. you get so many fucking stories about how y'know, edgar's not that bad actually.

AND I'M NOT AGAINST ANALYSING THESE CHARACTERS!!! idv, especially in recent years, has been doing some great things with character writing. like, fuck 'em, they've got their issues, but they're still really good with some stuff and deserve credit. but don't act like it's not obvious how so many people have overlooked women (and poc, don't think i've noticed people ignoring the intricacies behind william and ganji as characters as well in favour of "himbo" and "bastard who cares", but i'm white so that's not exactly my place to talk) in favour of their favourite skinny whiteboy of the week.

they're that way with older-looking characters, too. if an idv guy has facial hair, you bet your ass he's also getting boiled down to his base traits. jose's an alcoholic, kevin is self-sacrificing and likes women, kurt is a little guy, kreacher is Awful, charles basically doesn't fucking exist anymore. but again not the focus of the talk atm.

it's just. so upsetting. esp. since most of my favourite idv characters are women but everyone i talk to about them is like "oh yeah demi's hot" or "aww annie's such a nervous little baby" or "god patricia's such a cool girlboss". and even when the shit they say is positive in a vacuum it still makes me so upset bc THAT'S NOT ALL THEY ARE!! demi is kind and loving and hardworking in the face of a world that only ever hurt her. annie's life has been an endless stream of pain and heartbreak and the only thing she really wants is freedom. patricia is literally cursed and is trying to find her place in the world.

also. i fucking hate ada but she falls victim to this too. as much as i despise the "you dislike her just bc you're sexist" thing and as horribly uncomfortable as she makes me, don't act like you haven't seen how her entire character is boiled down to how much she "loves" this man. don't act like you haven't seen how her entire character, all of her promise and potential, is forgotten in favour of that fucking trainwreck of a relationship. i bet half the fandom can't tell me anything about her other than her relationship with emil. emil suffers from this too, with his backstory and personality and life of abuse becoming an afterthought, but again, not what we're focusing on.

this is not an isolated thing or confined solely to the idv fandom. this happens in fandoms everywhere. but because idv is so close to my heart i feel like i really need to talk about it. there's so little content of female characters when there's fucking daily content of male ones. and don't get me wrong, i do like male characters. norton is literally one of my favourite fictional characters and i love talking about / analysing him. but i can guarantee a lot of people wouldn't be so interested in him if he was a woman.

sorry, just needed to get that off my chest. mandatory "this doesn't apply to everyone in the fandom" and "if this doesn't apply to you then i'm not fucking talking about you". we were so against the ashley wood collaboration bc of how much he sexualised michiko (and women in general) but like. do y'all really care that much?? bc i really don't think you do.

#idv #identity v #sexism #sexism in fandom #setting off a fucking bomb on tumblr today #this isn't meant to hate on people who like the male characters i've mentioned btw #i'm just saying it's an ugly pattern i've noticed #discourse #ranting #rant #rambling #abuse mention #abuse ment tw #happy new year!! akuma's pissed off about something and about to make it your problem

[valkyries-and-marauders]

Am I the only one who thinks that it's okay for people to not like the canon female love interests of M/M ships? Even if it's because of that? Like, I could see where you're coming from, but so many het non-canon ship's fans hate the male love interests.

Just for examples:

Harmione Shippers with Ron

Jacella shippers with Edward (and also probably Bedward shippers with Jacob too back in the day)

Gale x Katniss (don't know the ship name sawry) with Peeta

And also, this kind of thing just happens so much rarer with gay ships than het ships. Like the average gay shipper of wolfstar or whatever will love the canon female love interest just think she's the wrong fit (I have met many a lesbian wolfstar shipper with a crush on Tonks) while I can absolutely not say that about ships like Harmione. The minority can exist. They're not doing anything illegal.

The only time I can kind of -- kind of -- see it is the Perachel -- Percabeth thing (and that's not even gay). This is because Percabeth shippers that hate on Rachel are often the first people to say that Luke was redeemed despite him being just as much of a boundary to Percabeth as Rachel was, if not more. If anyone was blamed for that, it was more often that not Annabeth.

Even so, this can still be explained by character bias. Rachel was only in the last one and a half books, and was very much a side character, having very little to do with the main plot. Her arc was small, and she existed mainly to create drama. Luke, however, was not only present throughout all five books, being introduced at around the same time as Annabeth, but had an extremely long and complex character arc that wasn't just related to the main plot, but was one of them.

So ye leave the gays be

#fandom politics #sexism in fandom #fandom feminism #jily #remadora #anti jily #wolfstar #jegulus #anti lily evans #anti nymphadora tonks #like seriously that's not even a tag this isn't that big of an issue #anti tonks

[myventingdiary22222]

TW: Tone deaf Headcanons

This isn't cute. This isn't "progressive" youre calling masculine females (one of which is canonically sapphic, and the other is commonly associated as such) that being masculine isnt a trait that a normal female can have. Calling RD a straight trans man is tone deaf. Youre getting rid of representation (and the creators wishes) too seem more progressive or whatever. Its pathetic.

#Radfem #sexism in fandom #radical feminism

[aspiringwarriorlibrarian]

I searched because I didn't remember Shadowheart having a scar in any picture I seen of her, and that's because it is a barely visible faint line from the nose to the check! You can very easily mix it with shadowing! Even something as unnoticeable as that set the duebros off? I hate the internet.

Apparently they're all in an uproar about a so-called "uglification" of video games because one frame of the Fable 3 trailer looked off and Mary Jane got redesigned for the second Spider-Man game (like literally every other character in that game) and Aloy has peach fuzz in one piece of art and it's all so fucking pathetic how much they whine that every single woman must be made solely for the purpose of being jackoff material and anything less is the decline of Western civilization.

Of course, the flip side of having to listen to this bullshit is knowing that they're all whining in vain. Cry harder, jackasses, your tears fuel better character designs.

#bg3 #shadowheart #sexism in fandom #misogyny tw

[rhfffas]

srsly why *canon* wlw ship is even less popular???

theres def some internalized misogyny and lesbophobia in fandom

if charlie and vaggie are mlm, ppl would be CRAZY abt them

#chaggie #charlie x vaggie #hazbin hotel #charlie morningstar #hazbin hotel vaggie #wlw #lesbian #lgbt #queer #lgbtqia #gay #sapphic #tv show #wlw ship #canon wlw #femslash #sexism in fandom #lesbophobia #queer women #also why the fuck ppl are shipping charlie x alastor #anti charlie x alastor #they are like father and daughter plzzz

[cr1nge-culture]

i find fandom so fascinating. the reasonings behind fans' reactions, especially when it comes to certain characters, is so interesting to dissect. i'm not smart enough to know things about stats or demographics, but it's cool hearing about them.

which leads me to this: the way people completely disregard it when people try to point out the overwhelming amount of racism and sexism prevalent in a majority of fandoms.

no, you shipping two white men is not inherently racist or sexist. no, criticizing fandom responses to m/m ships isn't inherently homophobic. nuances!!! exist!!!!! aaah!!!!!!!!

i think if we as a community actually take a step forward to acknowledge the nuances and problems that we still uphld, there would be so many more talented people willing to take a chance on fandom as a whole. because lemme tell you, even i, an autistic someone who's entire life revolves around fictional characters and stories, absolutely hate fandom and ao3 culture. like genuinely, it makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. (someone criticizing ao3 isn't akin to burning down the library of alexandria btw!!)

alas, fandom is dumb! and if you want to stop being dumb, i highly recommend this series on AO3: https://archiveofourown.org/series/1209645

genuinely one of my favorite series of posts. i think who uses ao3 should read these !!!!

k that's all for now. just some thoughts i've had today. idk, i'm tired. happy halloween ^^

#fandom #racism in fandom #sexism in fandom #ao3 #fanfiction #fandom critical #ao3 critical #txt

[ironpool99]

Does anyone want to help me brainstorm ideas for an essay/study on sexism in omegaverse?

I think it would be interesting to do a deep dive on how sexism in fandom creates an overabundance of omegaverse (as it allows the same dynamics but making it only men) along with how this creates sexism inside the actual omegaverse (omegas are the stand-in for women and are discriminated again).

I think a sounding-board could help, but I'll probably do it no matter what. lmk if you're interested in helping/reading it.

#sexism #omegaverse #a/b/o #a/b/o dynamics #a/b/o verse #a/b/o mention #beta request #essay writing #analysis #meta #meta commentary #sexism in media #sexism in fandom

[thedepressedjuggalette]

hey so I saw your "THIS SHIT AIN'T NEW WHEN IT COMES TO ROWLING!" Reblog and i have always had this thought in mind.

you know how the Harry Potter fandom and you know how it is more well known that the bigger the fandom the chances of maybe mass harassment of some on who says something even wrong for like a piece of media like as an example how Anime Fan's tend to go after anyone who is even uncomfortable about what is shown or how fans of celebrities do not take it well when you point out that some one they like is awful?

I have been thinking, was there a chance that some one who tried to point out the nasty implications in the series could have been chased out due to trying to criticize the work and may have done so well that people like forgot?

its like I can't help but feel paranoid that that could have happened and been forgotten. because fandoms can be awful or cruel to critics.

That wouldn't be surprising, hell I might as well say YES because I can damn near guarantee that it's happened multiple times and is still happening to this day, but to take your consideration further as to commentate on the problems of fandom culture… I am gonna go on a bit of a tangent/rant so if you don't want to read that understand that you're spot on.

Anime/Weeb culture has existed and doubled down on and incentivized by the Anime and even Manga creators/studios to such an extent that women are outright ostracized to a point that it's disgusting. I have a question?

How many men have been asked to name every single anime title that had been created in the 90’s?

How many men have been asked to name every single song on the 12 album of the Beetles in order of length and then in order that is played?

How many men have been asked to name every album made by Sleep Token?

I can, with my full chest, say that no man has been asked these sorts of questions. But a woman? They've been asked these sort of things a million times for a million different fandoms.

I myself haven't, despite being a woman, only because I rarely interact with fandoms and do my best to avoid these sorts of situations, specifically online where I can easily be assumed to be the opposite gender. But there is also another aspect to it when it comes to anime as you've indirectly pointed out:

The treatment of female characters in just about 98% of anime and 99% of Isekai anime. That being female characters are either damsels in distress or just tits on a stick.

Softcore porn because the creators honestly think that their viewers are so unabashedly stupid and lack an attention span to such a point that they think they need to shove enough tits and ass shots – doubly so for under age characters – in order to keep the viewers’ attention.

Many weebs defend this sort of behavior because and I quote “Anime isn't for girls”.

My response is always, “Then you need to stop watching every anime made by women and you also have to step away from every magical girl show ever created.”

Fullmetal Alchemist: made by a woman.

Black Butler: made by a woman.

Revolutionary Girl Utena: made by a woman.

Fruits Basket: made by a woman.

Violet Evergarden: made by a woman.

Beastars, motherfucking INUYASHA, DEMON SLAYER, and SAILOR MOON WERE ALL MADE BY WOMEN!

The entire Manga and Anime industries face so much sex-based discrimination that female creators have to hide their genders through a pen-name. Your favorite anime was probably made by a woman who had to hide her gender/identity in order to get it published.

But this will never be acknowledged by the “Boy's Club” that is the Anime/Weeb community and the Industry. They don't want to acknowledge their bullshit.

They don't want to look at the opposite gender as anything other than objects. Objects to save, objects to look at, a pretty face to wank one out to.

It's so easy to piss off the Weebs that it's damn near ridiculous.

Write somewhere “Sakura is actually not useless, read the Light Novels which are actually cannon and she's actually written as a decent character.” and watch how many weebs will be pissed off by that alone.

Make a video talking about how you’re tired of being taken out of Isekai anime because the needless sexualization of the female characters just shoots your immersion down so hard that it hurts, while casually mentioning that you do like Dr. Stone and Demon Slayer, and watch as those casual mentions are ignored and get screamed at by so many weebs that you're forced to ignore it because it's clear they don't care about the other half of the audience.

Try to talk about how female characters are needlessly sexualized in their designs and it's getting to the point that you're unable to take the characters seriously when their own lore shows them to be something else entirely? Yeah good luck with how many assholes call you a “soyboy feminist who hates sexy characters”.

No matter what you do you're gonna get attacked and downed out. And that to me is horrifying.

#vent #rant #anime weeb #sakura haruno #sexism #sexism in anime #sexism in fandom #isekai sucks

[alicepooryorick]

To combat fandom's baby-ification of Cassandra Cain I will from now on by writing her as Bruce's superior. Fuck you.

#comics #batman #dc #cassandra wayne #cassandra cain #she still loves her dad tho #fandom #sexism in fandom