#(not to real ppl!! just fictional characters!!!

[i-d-e-g-a-f]

i ache for katara so deeply, she deserves so much better than her canon fate. i cannot express in words how much her story and how the fandom views/treats her physically hurts me

#anti kataang #katara deserved better #i know she’s a fictional character so ppl can say think and feel however they want about her and it the end of the day it shouldn’t matter #cus she’s not real but i just feel for her so deeply it hurts #katara my beloved #katara #katara my best friend who i have a DEEP parasocial relationship with i will always be on your side #they can never make me hate you #WE COULDVE HAD IT ALL #yes i’m being dramatic but also 100% serious #truly my favorite character of all time and she has been done wrong not only by the writers but by the fans too lord give her a break #i need her to get justice so bad against bryke and everyone who speaks ill on her #god please take all her suffering and give it to bryke #am i being hyperbolic right now? #your guess is as good as mine #zutara #for exposure ig #anti bryke

[lucienne-thee-librarian]

Just to minimize my chances of being genuinely misunderstood OR deliberately misinterpreted, and crucified for something I don't think, How Dare You Say We Piss on the Poor website etc...I'm gonna say this right up top. I absolutely understand why people don't like Thessaly as a character, if anyone does completely unironically stan her as some kind of feminist hero who Did Nothing Wrong uwu, I personally see it as a bit of a red flag. I don't like terfs real or fictional. In a vacuum, I could even completely sympathize and agree with the people who want her cut.

HOWEVER.

It's really something to me to see people clamoring for her to be cut, because she carries and expressed an ugly indefensible prejudice (transphobia) in words towards (1) person. Meanwhile Hob fucking Gadling enacted one of the most violent forms of antiblack racism I can even think of against thousands no, millions of people, the ripple effects of which still affect billions more today. Just a little light idk, profiting off the fucking slave trade and had to be told by someone else that it was bad...and he's a fan favorite.

People are saying Thessally being Dream's love interest reflects badly on him or is somehow endorsement by the narrative (?!?!?!?!?!? Didn't she (SPOILER ALERT AS IF IT MATTERS BY NOW) help participate in his extended assisted suicide? She's not painted as a great person to me just another character what are y'all SMOKING whatever fine. It's fine this is fine.) But shipping Dream with Mr. Former Slaver is not only not verboten or frowned on widely in the fandom but its THEE most popular pairing by far. So...why the difference?

Like where are the same fans who are saying Thessaly shouldn't just be more clearly shown to be wrong, she shouldn't even be in the show at all when it comes to Hobert's crimes??? Yes, transphobia is indefensible. Isn't racism?

And I hear the cries of "it's fiction!!!" Already rallying (if anyone who needs to hear this even sees it lol) to which I say:

HORSESHIT. I KNOW you don't, deep down, really agree because if you did, why get upset about Thessaly being included??? Why does what she said to one person matter if it's Just Fiction You Guyze. Fictional characters are allowed to do bad things and fiction isn't reality sweaty....except when you only apply that standard to fictional racists you like and simp for, but fictional transphobes you don't are SO HARMFUL they shouldn't even be portrayed in fiction.

Like. Give me a big fat BREAK. This looks like bullshit, no? I'm sorry, but I'd love for someone to try and give any other explanation besides one personally offended you or hit home for you, and the other doesn't.

And if that bothers you or you feel like it says something negative about you...idk what you want me to say??? You can't control how other people perceive you and that's how people outside this majority-of-the-fandom bubble see it. You don't need to respond, I just wish and genuinely hope this gives you a moment to think about why fans who ARE bothered by both (and not just paying lip service to being bothered by the one but railing against the other) are so frustrated with people saying everyone is welcome but in practice only bending over backwards for the comfort and emotions of themselves, and people they can easily relate to.

You don't have to like Thessaly (I don't. I find her an interesting antagonist, I don't stan her. And frankly that's not the point of her character) but you'll pardon me for feeling more than a bit cynical and side eying people's motivations for what seems a...pretty obvious double standard, on what fictional crimes related to real world issues matter to y'all, and which clearly don't. Either actually bring the same energy to the table for fictional people who committed atrocities, even if against a group you're not part of and thus don't feel the need to empathize with, or just carry on, but accept that you don't have the SLIGHTEST room to talk about cutting characters who do immoral things. And you also need to accept that you look like a hypocrite when you do.

#thessaly #wanda the sandman #hob gadling #I could've cried sexism!!! Problematic Male vs Female Characters except 1) I don't actually think that's the main reason *here* #2) there are WAY better examples of that particular double standard in this fandom #also i can admit when I'm a bit of a hypocrite or was. #i used to dip my toes into the dreamling stuff too early on #but idk. It just got too sour seeing ppl whitewash (lol I know I'm a comedian) #what he did over and over. And I genuinely had started to wonder #if the show hadn't included that particular crime and I'd just imagined it from the comics because #my memory is shit sometimes and I guess I was naive. I *wanted* to believe someone would talk aboutit #if it had made it in. but ultimately i went back and checked and no #and seeing how the whole fandom behaving affected my non-white mutuals some of whom... #like these are my friends man or ppl I just respect and I can't just. Ignore their feelings and their pov #and act like they werent making points or it doesn't matter #like it's all just fun and games for everyone on the same terms. And seeing how easy it was #for everyone to ignore was so unsettling. I couldn't keep pretending it was just fiction and didn't affect anyone real #Call me a bully a t3rf apologist (fuck you and for the record. no) #a puritan or a Fancop (actually stop comparing #people disagreeing with you online to what cops do. For fucks sake you just make it look like nothing is really real to you outside fandom) #whatever man. Whatever helps you sleep. I'm just gonna block you #if you're clearly sticking your fingers in your ears. engaging with you is a waste of time and energy then #Hell I have sympathy for anyone who doesn't like thessaly #especially trans fans. Especially rn. But lbr that sympathy for a lot of the white trans/queer fans only goes one way!!! #never gets extended to anyone else's issues. Like THATSthe issue. And it's shitty! #(sorry this post is not about me in the confessional lol that's why I put this at the bottom #I just had feelings to get out and yes its my blog but i didn't want to clog the airways)

[clownsnake]

I’m on episode 71 of the orv webtoon. so he’s literally just been dissociating this whole time huh

#But he’s not completely out of it obv I’m just being a bit hyperbolic #But yeah. WILD. #Interesting that none of the renouncers have a similar dissociative state from being aware of the 4th wall #I get why they dont have the same exact ability bc dokja getting smthn extra from having read all of twsa makes sense #& random ppl shouldnt just have shit like. bookmark these guys powers teehee!! I just mean specifically dissociating in this way #ALSO more interesting when u remember that one renouncer who became a character I.e. got a character profile #Dokja: has the 4th wall ability. the ability to view his own actions from an outsider pov. like he’s Out of the story looking in #renouncers: don’t. are also the only real world people that can become characters #other real people: presumably they can’t become characters?? (if they can or can’t I don’t want to be spoiled) #But Also they act like npc’s/get a mental block when told about all this being from a fictional novel #What does it mean…. WHAT DOES IT ALL MEEEEAANNNNNN… #going post #orv

[bunisher]

might be the aro in me but i think one of the reasons i don’t ship mattfoggy is because i enjoy the idea of platonic intimacy and friendship without romance. i enjoy them as best friends, because their friendship is not any less than romantic love or needs to be. especially for characters like them, i think it’s important that they have friendships that are not inherently romantic. matt, because he has severe abandonment trauma and avoidant attachment, where all of his romances have ended in some form of tragedy. he has trouble feeling comfortable with people, he feels like he has to perform in many aspects, and does not with foggy, at least not anymore. trust is a hard earned thing with him, but it’s not just about trusting with being a hero, but trusting to be himself. in regards to foggy, because he also has his own issues regarding family and not feeling accepted. he needs that friend who provides the motivation, validation, and feeling of being good enough just for being him. his insecurities often come from being underestimated, being awkward, not fitting in, and with matt he can just be. they’re able to have a relationship with each other that has rupture and repair, knowing eventually after time it’s them against conflict and not them against each other. they set the standard for each other in how romantic relationships are. they provide that safe place for love that doesn’t have the weight of being someone’s everything or partner. they’re already partners! they’re best friends. i personally am a little in love with all of my friends, and i am utterly devoted to them. i will be affectionate and supportive and loving and i am not dating them. so yeah i see how stuff could be read romantic, i understand why people enjoy the ship, i get it, i do. but it’s more powerful to me when it’s not. romance is not the end all be all and that’s why i am obsessed with their friendship without it being this stepping stone for romance or there being no other explanation.

#or maybe they’re in a QPR without it being labeled as such. that may be my new hc #i may even enjoy the hc that they did try to date for awhile and it wasn’t for them #but that’s also because i hate the idea that heteronormativity has that ppl cannot be friends with their exes #i’m also getting more into relationship anarchy because i think the focus on romance in our societies isn’t great #people irl and characters in fiction shouldn’t /need/ a romantic relationship to be fulfilled #it’s also why i don’t write my ships as super traditional with romance lmao #like no they aren’t living together. no they’re not getting married. no they’re not having a kid #their relationship does not adhere to all of these societal standards and expectations but it’s their’s and it’s real #they just enjoy each other for whatever time they have and that’s okay. they deserve that. they deserve that little break #they deserve to be able to rest and relax and no it’s not perfect but they feel understood and comfortable and it’s enough #it’s not full of pressure and this idea of scarcity. it’s because they genuinely enjoy being around each other #they’re their own people. whole and complete without each other. and then they find love and joy and comfort in each other #and it’s so special to them. their lives are constant chaos and they make time for each other bc those moments r precious to them #hell i hardly ever even label it lmfao they’re just doing stuff. they know what it is but if anybody asks it’s 🤷 who knows #and maybe that’s because of my own queerness and how it influences my writing but it’s just something i think i’ve noticed #anyways #matt murdock #foggy nelson #matt and foggy #fanfiction #amatonormativity #shipping #queer platonic ship #comics inspired #nmcu inspired #/rant #bun.txt

[enden-k]

At some point I will def start writing love letters to him, so I hope you're mentally prepared

-anon that proposed to Kaveh

please dont send them to me, i dont wanna come off as mean but i genuinely dont know how to respond anymore to smth like this and i dont wanna keep continuing feeling stressed and uncomfy on this blog anymore

#i dont feel for him like that bc theres only one character i started to feel comfortable and all that stuff for #where i for the first time could even get into and understand all the self shipping stuff #but still very timidly #and i still feel a little uncomfortable when ppl approach me so openly and violently about their self shipping #that i dont know how to react especially bc i dont do self ship for me or others here. #and only can feel this to one specific character #so i feel very out of depth? out of my comfort zone here #this is mostly bc i am aro and i feel uncomfortable in general when ppl talk about romantic stuff irl #which is why i do ships bc i get to explore smth entirely fictional not involving real ppl that doesnt make me uncomfy #and perhaps why the only character i feel comfy and do the self ship thing is this specific characte #bc i feel like his way of love and showing affection is similar to mine #which gives me comfort #idk if i explain it well #and sorry for rambling in tags #i just dont wanna say “you make me uncomfortable” and not explain what exactly #so no one misunderstands it #tbd #reply

[kiranerysismyhero]

discuss

#this is not legally actionable because fictional characters cannot actually harm real life ppl. this is not a threat. #star trek #i just know im gonna think of someone else who should be here as soon as i publish it

[urproblematicfav-arsonk]

Oh so when you're in love with a cannibalistic serial killer sadomasochist who openly admits to helping people just to get the opportunity to push them into failure and suffering 'cause he thinks its funny, its cool and normal and just basic Tumblr Sexyman shenanigans BUT WHEN I'm in love with a gangster murderer, rapist, sex trafficker who drugs people and is a narcissistic stalker I'm suddenly endorsing abuse and am bad wow ok

#cant wait to deeply regret posting this #have we considered that angel is just ungrateful #maybe he doesn't deserve to be val's victim if he's gonna act that way #you got a whole psycho all to yourself and don't even appreciate it wow #this is a joke btw #i mean the sentiment that you shouldn't bully ppl over fiction characters is real but ya know #me a sex repulsed asexual: god sure do love that rapist #there has to be a connection between the whole being asexual and into cnc thing i got going on #hi welcome to my val aplogisim club theres nothing here but the potential for online harassment and a select few good fics #the alastor saves angel from val fics are never not funny to me cuz like guys al is just as bad as val just in a different way #my main reason for liking val so much is that he looks cool and moths are cute and also he can't see or count well #hazbin hotel #hazbin valentino #proship

[chloeapplepi]

i need abled people to shut their mouths and never speak on kabumisu absolutely ever

#no it is not abuse bcs kabru was his temp cg??? #even if he was mithruns full time cg that isnt abuse???? #“power dynamic” SHUT UP !!!!! #most insane part of the post i saw was that they even mentioned real life disabled ppl and said #that just bcs some disabled ppl have caretaker partners doesnt mean its okay in fiction????? #actual rocks for brains #genuinely think it comes from a place of ableds not seeing disabled ppl as autonomous . like mithrun is a grown ass man #infantilizing a character in a series where infantilization is a pretty important minor plot point for one of the main characters is CRAZY #chilchuck 🤝 mithrun

[rouge-the-bat]

"i need to know if this character is an adult or not so i know if i can selfship with them!" ...my dude you clearly are already attracted to them ??? like. gurl theyre FICTIONAL. do whatever the fuck you want god damn.

self ship with them with them aged up. or with an imaginary version of you aged down. or just hc whatever gd age you want for them whether or not it ends up being canon (or its already stated in canon but doesnt match ur view of them). or selfship yourself with them through a character in canon. you can literally just see your fictional other as aging with you. who fucking cares. its fiction. the specifics of the relationship is whatever the hell you make it.

its literally so sad to see people being afraid to just SELF SHIP because they dont know if its potentially ~problematic~ depending on stuff they can easily just rule out of their own view of canon 💀 canon is your sandbox you can tear down the castle and build it anew however to your liking

#im glad that shadow is canonically immortal and hiei has no stated age #bc if people tried to give me shit for being in love with either of them i would fucking kill someone #i fell in love with shadow years ago through shipping him with rouge and i still love him now. he ''ages'' with me #and hiei i technically hc him as nearly a hundred but hes a demon #and i selfship with him through kurama who has also lived for centuries so #i swear you dont have to drop off your fictional crushes from your teen years when you turn an adult. you can just see them as aging with u #just. man. OTL #seeing ppl being like this is so sad fr. this shipping discourse shit is making ppl walk on eggshells over the littlest shit #anti fanpol #like its different for real life bc yea sometimes u cant always tell someones age by looking at them #u can find someone attractive and talk to them and find out theyre too young for you. so you back off #but like. this is fiction. things arent set in stone. the creator can make a time skip for the characters and so can you #and plus. theyre NOT REAL. you wouldnt be harming a REAL PERSON. and its not at all comparable to the suffering and abuse of REAL PEOPLE

[mynnthia]

this is just me being petty over fandom-nonsense, but as a poc whos been reading dunmeshi for 6+ years, seeing white anime-onlys make posts about the characters of color that are inaccurate at best (and racist at worst) while woobifying white characters is so annoying

feeling like thistle, get these white interlopers out my dungeon

#yes these are just fictional characters. but Real Life People of Color can see how white ppl talk about fictional racialized characters #we can see how you assign positive intent to white characters being needlessly mean and rude #meanwhile assigning poc malicious intent when there is none or when they have justified concerns #speaking in general here bc ive seen white ppl being weird+racist abt all the major supporting characters of color #who have showed up in the anime so far #its not just me noticing this shit either lol. just as 1 example: #ive seen several east asian fans express how they empathized with toshiro's grievances towards Iaios re: feeling unable to express #their discomfort towards white ppl who were being pushy + crossing their boundaries + being racist (intentionally or not) #ive seen some who said they were shocked toshiro is hated by many western fans bc of that 1 fight #since the characters ended up forgiving each other afterwards + learning and growing from it #mynn.txt

[queerstudiesnatural]

btw me calling dean a serial killer doesn't mean i don't enjoy him as a character. it's a fictional story, just because a character kills people doesn't mean he can't be likeable and entertaining. he's not a real person guys

#the amount of people getting super defensive over dean like calm down i still like him i was just pointing out how he's killed a lot of ppl #it's ok fictional characters are allowed to kill because they are not real

[clownprince]

idk maybe i'm just mad people dislike my Special Little Guy but like... the way that jarley shaped cultural perceptions of joker as a character (read: established the idea of him as a domestic abuser (of his female partner) furthering the associations with gendered violence/general misogyny that were (primarily) started by tkj/tdkr) feels homophobic in a way that's difficult to articulate

#just thinking thoughts #i actually don't mind when people dislike him bc like. he's overused or like. just not personally interested in him #it's moreso when people dislike him bc of the things he's done in canon #and i can understand being put off by harmful actions performed by characters in fiction i get it #like certain characters give me the ick for that reason. although it has to be pretty egregious. (e.g. slade wilson. he freaks me out lmfao) #but it just. frequently seems to be the same ppl who equate fictional morality with real-world morality #just makes me cringe seeing ppl posting their violent fantasies of like. killing him (specifically Because of his moral transgressions) #esp in the sense of revenge/bc it's what he “deserves” #like... you guys realize how much his queerness is linked to his immoral actions right... #and especially to gendered violence #like you do realize that he's a token example of a queer-coded villain the Point of which is to y'know like #get people to associate immorality with queerness #and you're just eating that shit up... #idfk. anyway #joker

[ichigosluvrr]

Idk y'all making smut for REAL people seem kinda wrong to me now 🫠

#starspeaksੈ✩‧₊˚ #idk when i was younger i liked it #but now that i think about its just...no 😭 #idk maybe im just thinking too much into it 😅 #x reader #x black reader #x yn #for the ppl that write for real ppl tho keep doing what you doing 😭 this just my opinion #fictional characters for the win tho>>

[anouri]

whenever ppl say "that was so out of character, [insert marauders era character] would never do that" i have to resist the urge to laugh in their face. because there is no character. canon doesn't exist for them, the whole fandom's modus operandi is the following:

#i don't believe in bullying but sometimes i want to bully ppl who say this just a little #like beyond the fact that these are fictional characters #these are fictional characters that we are extrapolating from next to no canon material #just. be real for a sec lol #a decomposing dump of my thoughts #marauders

[clowningaroundmars]

people shipping kendrick and drake rn in the midst of this feud......... hmmmm. don't like that!

#mine #listen do i have to say it? #kendrick is calling drake out for over a decade of cultural appropriation and frankly exploitative behaviors #not just exploiting black culture but also children #i do seriously believe the claims kenny's making bc drake moves exactly like a kiddie diddler #the entire music industry is just vile. we all know this #and so shipping these two real life men with real life issues and power that contribute to the systemic problems that we all face #is... really weird. very weird behavior #i dont like it personally #i get the jokes yeah i get ppl want in on the fun and games but these dudes arent fictional characters #i hope ppl dont lose the plot rn esp bc this feud is far from over #even if drake never responds and this all fizzles out later #kendrick has uprooted like 95 percent of the music industry rn and shown them all for the world to see #if the hiphop industry wasnt dying already it certainly will now! cuz we really need to talk about it! #how late stage capitalism has poisoned everything it touches and the music industry was one of the 1st to go #there are literal kids being trafficked and exploited in the entertainment industry yall PLEASE #stop with the fandom and shipping brainrot for one damn second you guys 😭 please #i beg of you

[hauntedtotem]

ppl when they find out teenagers act like teenagers 😱

#I don't rly want to get into it but I've seen two separate callouts today and #1st was ''this person made a 'not like other girls' meme where the 2 chrcters kissed?? Thts so rude to the person tht made the characters😤 #And the othr was ''this 17 yr old is expressing emotions an acting like a teenager?? She even has fictional crushes even tho she's a minor? #Meanwhile the person mad that the teenager has crushes literally posts about being into shotacon and lolicon?? Like. #You can't be consuming sexualized content of minor characters while calling a real minor a horrible person for having a sexuality. #I am. going insane #This isn't like. An official statement about what side I'm on or anything because I don't know any of these ppl involved and idc #But i will say beefing with a child always looks a lil pathetic to me. 'she was mildly rude to me and called an actor hot once' okay???? #chill out <3 touch grass <3 #I know I made a post about this b4.. smthng smthing adults have to be the responsible party by choosing not to engage in drama w kids #If you really care so much about them being a minor online and whats appropriate for them why are you publicly fighting them #Like. That's not rly appropriate behavior on your part either #Don't take this rant as a sign to drag me in btw I am not affiliated with any party here and I don't care to be #I just cannot believe this fandom continues to produce the dumbest callouts every couple months #//shade