#Antishipping

[myfandomrealitea]

"Why can't the freaks on AO3 just go and make a site for all the gross stuff and leave AO3 alone."

Because AO3 is that site. Because AO3 was that site long before you decided AO3 was better than the sites you bullied us off of before, and I can promise you if someone somehow comes up with a fanfic site you like better specifically for the 'gross stuff' you'll try to bully us off that too so you can benefit from it.

AO3's specific core purpose is to preserve fanfiction, yes, but it was also instigated as a host site for the fanfiction that kept getting yeeted off other platforms like Wattpad. Its designed to preserve all fanfiction, not just the fanfiction you, personally, think is 'allowed' to be written.

AO3 is the site for all the gross stuff the freaks make. We've been there just as long as you. We've been funding it just as long as you have. AO3 has specifically said you have a place here. The timeline was literally:

Wattpad/FF.net/LiveJournal purge fanfics > AO3 is born > The people who's fics got purged moved over to AO3 > AO3 gains popularity as the best functioning site > The people who pushed for the fics to be purged off Wattpad move to AO3 > The same people try to push for AO3 to purge fics.

AO3's source coding is open-access. You go make a polished, strict, rigid site where nothing 'icky' is allowed. You go make a site where you can control what is hosted. We already have our space.

#discourse #ao3 #ao3 discourse #fanfic discourse #fandom #sephiroth speaks #archiveofourown #proship #proshipping #antishipping

[carduelis-carduelis]

Terms related to "shipping" and their usage

How terms related to "shipping" are used within fandom spaces: the original meanings and how they've been twisted.

Proship

Proshipper

Anti(-shipper)

#fandom #fandom vocabulary #shipping #proshipping #antishipping #proship #antiship #fandom discourse #fanpol #censorship #cross posted on twitter #cross posted on pillowfort

[pelman]

Please reblog for more exposure! Also, this isn't an offer to start debates in my replies or reblogs. Express your opinions as loudly and perhaps violently as you'd like, but just to yourselves, not at one another. If you try to start an argument, regardless of what side you're on, I'm blocking you. This is just to gather Tumblr's general opinion.

Anyone on either side of the debate can interact with this post, given that this is a neutral space.

#proshipping #antishipping #proship vs antiship #shipping discourse #poll #tumblr poll #opinion poll #tumblr polls #opinion polls #to clarify my stance i think all ships have the right to exist even if i dont like them #i am not a proshipper and i definitely dont support all types of shipping but #i do believe 'problematic' ships can exist and be fine to ship in specific contexts #if youre not a survivor and you ship problematic stuff i dont trust you though. especially ships with minors. #then again i dont trust any minor/adult shipper or people who focus too much on the intimacy of minors #anti proship #anti shipping #hopefully adding those extra tags evens it out a littke #i feel like theres a bias here

[ship-survey]

Calling all fandom bloggers!

I have created a survey based on the “proshippers vs antis” discourse. If you would like to fill it out, be prepared to write on your own for a lot of the questions! Definitions and opinions tend to vary person to person, so I thought written questions would be smoother than using multiple choice for everything. Your written responses do not have to be long!

This survey is not meant to cater to any specific position, which is another reason why I made the questions very open-ended.

I want pro- and anti- shippers to be equally represented in the responses!

If you would like to participate in the survey, follow this link.

I do not know how long this survey will run for, and may or may not advertise it on other platforms. If you have friends on or off tumblr you would like to send it to, feel free to do so! I want to hear from everyone.

#ship discourse #proship #antiship #anti anti #anti proship #profiction #anti profic #proshipping #antishipping #comship #fandom discourse

[autumn-foxfire]

Do you ever see someone ask people "Should I ship this? Or is this morally wrong?" on twitter and just think "Damn you are lost in this cult aren't you."

At that point you're not ever thinking for yourself, you're just trusting what people on the internet, a place known for spreading lies all of the time, says because you're scared of being jumped by them. If you truly believed certain things were "wrong" you'd make that decision yourself, not ask what your cult thinks about it.

It's terrifying, especially because it's always minors who are asking this. We've failed the young of the internet, we've let them be brainwashed into joining cults that stop their own free thinking and make them conform to what others think.

Edit: this wasn't even about a ship, this was a minor asking if they were allowed to see two characters as friends instead of family. Holy fucking shit.

#proshipping #antishipping

[pompompoofy]

Shippers after being constantly told they can't ship aromantic characters

#antishipping #aroace #aromantic

[twilightsparklehatesproshippers]

Reminder:

Liking human x nonhuman ships doesn't inherently make you a proshipper/comshipper.

Liking OC x canon ships doesn't make you a proshipper/comshipper.

Liking rarepairs and crackships doesn't make you a proshipper/comshipper.

Liking crossover ships doesn't make you a proshipper/comshipper.

Liking enemies to lovers or rivals to lovers doesn't make you a proshipper/comshipper.

Liking queer ships doesn't make you a proshipper/comshipper.

Liking mortal x immortal ships doesn't make you a proshipper/comshipper.

Despite all the effort of them trying to redefine normal or common ships that have existed in fandom spaces for ages as "problematic" or "comships" doesn't mean you have to give in and agree. Don't let proshippers shift definitions just to be invasive.

#admin twi #antiship #antishipping

[ihhfhonao3]

Shippers, I need help! (And read it all before you block or something puh LEASE I need as many opinions as possible)

So I ship stuff, right. Average shipper. I like shipping characters.

However, I have some limits for myself. I’m never gonna ship characters who are related, I’m never gonna ship someone under 18 with someone over 18, I’m never gonna ship someone with anything that can’t consent. Because I find all of that gross, and I have opinions on people who ship that stuff that I keep to myself. But those opinions are there. So I call myself antiship.

However, many antishippers are pro censorship, and actively seek out proshippers to harass them and “expose them,” literally ruining opportunities for them. I am against all forms of censorship completely, with no exceptions. So some people call me proship.

I’m confused, because I don’t ship these things personally and I avoid them, and have multiple tags and users blocked for my own safety. But I’m finding that I don’t agree with many of the values of my fellows.

So what would I be? Some people call me proship, others say antiship, some people say peaceship? What would it be?

#ships #shipping #shipping culture #anti ship #anti shipping #antiship #antishipper #antishipping #proship #pro ship #proshipping #proshipper #comship #com ship #comshipping #anti censorship #ship and let ship #anti harassment #peaceshipping

[mywitchcultblr]

I was looming around in Neuvillette tag and another day... Another I see the stupid DNI tag on AO3.

It's often the younger people who does this, the TikTok people. Call me a boomer who yell at the sky. But this is so irritating. Yeah the culprit is from Genshin Impact fandom... This fandom continue to be a disappointment *sigh* so I look for 'DNI' on the search and there's another culprit from band fandom? Reading the tags giving me a headache

Edit and addition: How the hell you even write rape/noncon and have proshipper DNI tag? Please stop bringing proship-anti ship to AO3. Stop it.

The more you try to turn AO3 into a social media... The worse the achieve will be. Maybe learn to accept that you cannot control people thoughts and you are bound to meet people that you don't like on the net

#genshin impact #ao3 #archive of our own #fanfic #bandom #proshipping #antishipping #proship #antiship #please stop bringing proship antiship to ao3

[vergess]

you know who else i heard is an anti (but god i dont have proof i have to look it up but i heard it from one of the pro-ship blogs back in the day) b0gl33ch supposedly! i have to look up sources (keep this private)

*I spoke to AWKA on Discord about publishign this ask; got permission.

So yeah that's true.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220823023943/https://bogleech.tumblr.com/post/656561257451765760/bogleech-there-is-a-serious-problem-with-people

Basically there's this overwhelming problem where people who get really popular on tumblr for their shitposting prowess have completely swallowed queerphobic propaganda about queerness leading to child rape.

Only because most of them are queer themselves, they have to pick a specific type of queer person to accuse of being a child rapist, and they choose people who write "obscene" fiction.

Because, in their minds, obscenity is indefensible.

And so, to them, it is reasonable and appropriate to suggest that writing a novel makes you guilty of raping a child.

This is the underlying belief set that antishippers have, but recognizing the severity of their hatred for "nasty" queers would cause them a lot of pain and guilt, so as a self defense mechanism they convince themselves that it's all okay. Their hatred of queer people is okay, because they don't hate the queerness. They just hate the specific type of fiction those nasty queers are writing.

Which is why saying those queer authors are child rapists is totally appropriate and proportionate.

God it always sounds so absurd when I write it out, but that's the problem. It IS absurd. It's almost incomprehensibly stupid, because that's what cults do to you, that's how they make you obey.

They convince you to behave in a way that is so ridiculous that it alienates you from your friends, family, and peers until the only way you know how to seek guidance, or help, or affection, or any human compulsions whatsoever, is to exagerratedly repeat cult behaviours and seek cult rewards.

And then you get to this point where people who are saying, "sex scenes in fiction are not the same as raping a child in real life," are being harassed and attacked and driven to suicide or assaulted until they are hospitalized...

And it all just sounds so fucking insanely stupid and petty and over reactive that you can't get help and you can't get out.

So yeah, anyway, Bogleech is a member of the cult that encourages assault, murder, and retributive rape against queer authors, who call themselves "antishippers."

#ask responses #all-women-kick-ass #Antis #Antishippers #Antishipping #Bogleech #Bog Incident

[the-cat-and-the-birdie]

You talking about Ao3 and racism but in the weirdest way possible

Like if you want to tackle racism, look at all the stuff that is perpetrated by Ao3 (and the broken promises Ao3 made to tackle it)

In reference to this post: Do you think Explicit Rap should be banned from the radio?

"Weirdest way possible-"

You mean in real life?

I spoke about how in real life actual black people are having their careers censored by the British government because of purity culture.

And you ask me to redirect my attention back to the internet?

Do you see the redirection you just tried to pull - and the discrepancy within the effects?

I asked you to consider real black communities like the one I grew up in, and live in now.

And you asked me to go look at an online community. You told me to turn my attention to a website.

Instead of the millions of black people who are judged and looked down upon everyday for our tastes since the inception of rap as a genre.

Instead of numerous black rappers who have been given court orders by governments.

Do you think fanfic beef and fandom is a community more deserving of attention than black people in the hood?

I can't even begin to explain what's wrong with that. And how dismissive that is of actual real life racism and the Black experience.

I'm ghetto, loud, hood and from Brooklyn. I listen to violent rap music.

I am speaking from my own experience. It's not weird. We exist.

We've just been censored by purity culture all our lives that when we do pop out, the way we address racism seems 'weird', because it is not palatable to the general public.

I listen to trap music, songs about killing people, and making money, and having guns.

If that sounds like a cliche to you, bad to you, or makes you uncomfortable, re-evaluate.

If you think that experience isn't relevant to a discussion about racism, re-evaluate.

Do not use an online community as justification for IRL censorship of actual Black Artists.

#racism #antiblackness #what do I even tag this? #racism in fandom #purity culture #censorship #proshipping #proship #antiship #antishipping #i had to hop on for this one im sorry

[myfandomrealitea]

Imagine this:

You live in a town. There is a park that allows both people and dogs. You live in this town and decide dogs should not be allowed at the park. You complain and push and get dogs banned from the park.

The town builds another park for the dogs. Now there is a dog park and a people park. You see the dog park and think it looks better than the people park. You, a person who neither owns a dog nor likes dogs, begins to use the dog park.

That's okay. The dog owners don't mind sharing their park. Its a nice park. Its definitely better than the people park.

You like the dog park better, but you don't like the dogs, so you tell the dog owners they're not allowed to go there anymore. They're not welcome. Its a dog park, but you personally don't like dogs, so they're not allowed to bring their dogs here anymore. You start harassing the dog owners and trying to bully them out of the park.

"Just go to a different park!" you yell at them. "Go build your own park if you want to bring your dogs in!" you cry.

You are an anti. The dogs are works of fiction. The park is AO3. Your perspective is as ridiculous as the above anecdote sounds. AO3's entire existence was founded on you encouraging sites like Wattpad to purge and ban fanfiction that didn't fit certain, bias-flexible criteria. AO3's core purpose is to host and preserve fanfiction.

If AO3 did not want that kind of fanfiction, it would not allow it. Simple. AO3 itself dictates that fanfiction has a place there. You cannot storm in and demand its not allowed to host it because you've finally realized sites like Wattpad fucking suck, and not just because of their content regulations.

You're a guest in AO3's park. Act like it. Don't like the rules? Their code is open-source. Build your own park.

#discourse #ao3 #ao3 discourse #fanfiction discourse #proship #proshipping #antishipping #antiship #sephiroth speaks

[toxic-blogman]

Reddit post made by a 43 year old mother about her 14 year old daughter being brainwashed and groomed by an anti and the very real consequences it caused. A depressing but important read that gives insight into how antishipping (like many things) can be used to groom minors.  The post begins with “I (43F) received a phone call” - everything above that is a final update edited in by the OP.

#anti-anti #antiship #anti proship #antishipping #proship

[city-of-all-tunas]

for fannibals!

cause i thought hannigram has been deemed "problematic" enough for antis to hate it, but a recent interaction has left me off kilter and now i'm wondering.

and if ur anti would you be willing to pls say why/if you ship hannigram? i'm genuinely confused and trying to understand

edit: y'know what let's get proshipping opinions too, to have thoughts from both sides

pls rb for a wider range!

#hannibal #hannigram #hannibal lecter #will graham #abigail lecter #proshipping #proship #anti #antishipping #fannibals #frederick chilton #freddie lounds #francis dolarhyde #jack crawford #beverly katz #jimmy price #brian zeller #fandom #ao3 #shipping #shipping dynamics

[misfit-mania-the-first]

I have no idea wtf is happening with antis and proshippers

I’m just so confused because a majority of the ones I’ve seen is antis saying “any and all writing for immoral/uncomfortable ships makes you a bad person” and proshippers saying “fiction doesn’t affect reality at all”

And like…neither of those is correct to me. Like I know the entirety of those groups probably don’t think that(and this should be implied but just to cover my bases)

But I just wonder, if this type of anti wrote like a book, what would be in it? I would think that since all those things are considered bad to them like racism, age gaps, bigotry, other such things, would they just write a kids book?

And do these kinds of proshippers think that consuming like horror material, for example, in great quantities doesn’t affect you in any way?

And I’m not trying to imply anything at all, I’m just supremely baffled and confused and I don’t know what’s going on

#antishipping #proshipping

[twilightsparklehatesproshippers]

Hey, heads up to other anti-proshippers, proshippers are trying to rebrand AGAIN. This time they're using the term "darkshipper" to describe shipping and supporting problematic ships. So keep an eye out for that.

#admin twi #antiship #antishipping