#Disney descendants theory

[rages-ooc]

Helpless vs. Useless: Chad Charming

Inspired by a poll on the Descendants subreddit asking who the most USELESS AK was, where Chad has taken a severe lead.

Chad Charming is not useless. He’s a great man to have on your side if you need help in literally anything. Chad is helpless, and the difference is absolutely striking in his character-- let me explain.

Chad is never shown as useless. Bumbling at times, sure, but even in those instances he’s never being shown as someone who’s stopped trying and is just in the way, no help at all, not even attempting to help. He’s thrown his entire self into trying to help.

The problem is, Chad is extremely helpless.

When we read the first Isle of the Lost book, we find out from Ben’s perspective that Aurora raised Audrey to never want for anything-- that Aurora’s mentality is that her daughter should never have to suffer like she did. With that in mind, it’s very reasonable & safe to assume that most of the AKs were likely brought up the same way, especially including Chad. Looking at all of the work Cinderella had to do in her life until she met her prince, I find it HIGHLY unlikely Cinderella would have wanted her son to be forced to work for anything he didn’t want to do. So he probably didn’t learn a lot of useful, relevant skills in life, but he definitely learned things like sports, fencing, etc., because it’s what he wanted and excelled in.

Am I positing this as a good thing, no, of course not! But it’s definitely relevant in the discussion today. We see throughout the movies and books he appears in that Chad is trying extremely hard to do better, and at times proves to be far smarter and more helpful than he’s given credit for.

In D2, Chad is revealed to have 3D printed himself a key to Jay & Carlos’ room so he can use their 3D printer. Reasonably? He’s a prince. Chad could easily ask his parents to buy him one. But we learn in School of Secrets Chad has a problem with, ahem, “losing” his phone and just having his parents pay for a replacement. Between that and some other impulsive, likely expensive choices we see him make in this movie and others... it’s very possible his parents wouldn’t buy him one. And so he found a workaround to access what he wants. Is it good, no, but it does establish one thing: Chad is definitely smart enough to get what he wants when he wants it. He’s not useless, he just needs motivation.

And a primary piece of motivation for Chad is Audrey.

In and before D2/leading up to Cotillion, between the movie and Evie’s fashion book, we come to realize Chad has spent a painstaking amount of time trying to get his Cotillion outfit absolutely perfect-- much to Evie’s chagrin, because she notes how picky & persnickety he is in her book/around his sketch. He’s dedicated ages upon ages (& not to mention how much he probably spent) to getting his outfit perfect-- and he drops everything and misses Cotillion entirely to come to Audrey’s rescue over a phone call.

Once again, he’s Chad. If he wants to do something, he will find a way to make it happen-- re, the key. But instead of finding some way around going himself, he goes to help, even though as discussed, he probably doesn’t have the practical skills to help at all.

In Audrey’s diary, she notes that at some point she was on a walk with him, wherein he noted she seemed down, and Chad decided to try and cheer her up by telling her a funny story about Jaques the mouse. She disregards it, & him, but that doesn’t discount it from the Chad side. He saw her upset, he cares about her, he tried to do something to make her feel better. It’s not much good, but it’s what he had & came up with. He’s still trying.

Which brings us to D3. Oh yes, unarguably his motivation was to protect himself. But that doesn’t mean Chad didn’t try at every turn and, when he knew it wasn’t helping, he just did what he was told and accepted that was what he had to do. Still not useless-- he was doing exactly what he intended the entire time: protecting himself. Just helpless-- doesn’t actually have the practical skills to do anything but achieve his own goal of self-preservation.

There are many things I headcanon and believe about Chad. Helpless, clueless, stubborn as a mule, possibly autistic, but definitely not useless. Never useless. He has proven he can be useful so long as he’s motivated to be.

#descendants #descendants headcanon #disney descendants #disney descendants headcanon #Disney descendants theory #chad charming #i take your canon and make it better

[hannahhook7744]

What do you think of goths and emo kids attending Auradon Prep and how they would be treated?

I love the idea of goth and emo kids attending Auardon Prep. Though unfortunately, not all of the students and teachers would be tolerant of them (we saw how they treated the vks and Jane for being different, after all). I think it would be like a regular highschool for the most part, with rumors and stuff. Some a-hole would probably making a rumor about them being villian wannabes but that would get shut down by Coach Jenkins (and maybe FG) pretty quickly because he doesn't play with that shit. Hope that helps!

#descendants #disney descendants #auardon kids #auardon is not perfect #auardon #auardon prep #disney descendants headcanons #descendants headcanons #vks deserve better #vks descendants #descendants vks #aks deserve better #aks descendants #aks headcanons #descendants aks #Auardon kids #my asks #disney descendants theory #descendants theory #etc.

[auradoniandreams]

something something fairies are often depicted as being extremely beautiful in folklore something something their beauty is probably enhanced by their magic something something jane has been described as faded or implied to be ugly her entire life but she's also never had the chance to use any of her fairy magic until d1 something something jane is actually really beautiful and the magic ban has real consequences for magical beings

#disney descendants #jane descendants #descendants theory #descendants headcanons #descendants #meta #worldbuilding #descendants jane #fandom:descendants #mine #this is a half baked theory that i just came up with #idk how much water it holds since mal is also fae and she's never been described as ugly b4 coming to auradon but also. #of course they're not gonna say that abt the main character #in-universe it could be bcs she grew up on the isle of the lost anyway and it's not like her peers looked more alive what with the #violence and poverty and stuff. so by comparison she was just average. also y'know dove cameron is gorgeous

[silverloreley]

Death (or lack thereof) on the Isle of the Lost

The Descendants wave is still on for me and I have to take this thing out of my mind so I can (hopefully) go back to do irl things I actually have to do.

So, the Isle of the Lost. We (the fandom) already talked about many things, but there is one that always makes me ponder, aka the supposed mortality rate.

A lot of fanwriters/headcanoners and so forth insert the death of parents for many Isle kids, but how is it possible, I wonder, that Villains were brought back to life, only to die again? Then why bringing them back to begin with? Let them stay dead!

Unless there was a reason for it. Unless the Villains had already escaped death in the first place (like they did in the webseries Villain’s Lair) OR there was a concrete chance someone on their side could bring them back (and here I call back to Nasira, she’s been the culprit in my top tier headcanon until some time ago).

I already mentioned the Auradon Handbook hints that the Villains briefly ruled the world and there was a Heroes’ revolt to defeat them again, so it’s likely the Beast was elected King in one of the most ancient ways, aka for prowess on the battlefield.

And, if the Heroes had already killed their Villains in the past, and had to fight them again, then it’s likely there was a lot of fear going around it could happen again. Another war, more fights in the lands, more chances of the Villains taking control.

The Isle was made for this, to keep everyone in with no way out, not even death. Because death, for some Villains, is reversible. Because them being alive in seclusion was safer than having them dead.

What does it have to do with the Isle’s mortality rate, you ask? Everything. It means the Barrier very likely doesn’t allow Villains to die, hence no mortality rate in there, not for them.

Now, that would poise a problem, aka the Villains believing themselves invincible. “How to force them to keep each other in check?” someone must have been thinking during the planning.

Through the single thing more dangerous than despair: hope.

Follow me: some of the princesses (and perhaps a certain Fairy) likely thought that if Villains had their own kids to care for, their flesh and blood to protect and nurture, they’d learn love and the value of life and compassion (”even Villains love their kids” echoes very strong here, no?). Very nice, I guess, although a tad too idealistic. Someone with a bit more, uh, common sense may think that as a harsher punishment, not as a chance for redemption. Someone a bit less kind may say: you made us suffer, now watch as the one you may love suffers too, with the little inkling of hope they one day could break you out just to escape the misery. Learn compassion through pain.

Therefore the possibility geriatric characters had children. And one may argue men’s fertility has phases during their lives and older men can still procreate, but women? Once menopause hits, it’s done, no more babies. And yet! Yzma, arguably the oldest of the oldest female villains - biologically - has not one but two children. TWO! I always found it so very weird and the only explanation is that the Barrier’s system is even more cruel than it seemed at first sight, that it kept the Villains in good enough health to allow this for a precise aim.

Because adults can’t die, children can. Children did. All the deaths on the Isle are in the second generation.

Let that sink in. It’s impossible that children are equally immune to death because, otherwise Mal would have known she couldn’t drown when she and Uma were little, or the kids would be a lot more reckless than they are, therefore children can face death, that’s a fact. Perhaps the Barrier keeps them in better health than the living conditions would realistically allow, but death is still a real possibilty for Isle kids.

At the same time, adults can’t die, we said, but how to make sure they won’t ignore the need to protect their perspective progeny (especially before it existed) and go on bloody sprees against each other?

And here comes my idea. Adults can’t die on the Isle, but they can feel the wounds, suffer from the illnesses, feel the pain just as strongly and, in case of lethal situations, since they can’t die, they suffer a thing a few princesses did: a sleeping spell, or rather, a coma-like living death, with some perception of the outside, but no real consciousness nor ability to act. Fear of that would be enough to restrain even the most calloused Villains, especially the ones who are obsessed with control because what can be worse than not having control on their own selves for them?

There’s one more thing I headcanon the Barrier does, and it’s that it mellows the Villains’ minds. I already talked a bit about in the post mentioned above, so I won’t delve into this again, the point is that the weakening of the Villains from a mental point of view can be the Barrier’s doing. Why? It’s possibly the only measure put forth to prevent a too high body count for the kids, other than prevention in the remote possibility they might get out. Because, if the Villains are scatterbrained and uncaring and less evil overall, the kids have better chances of survival, and if they are less cunning they are easier to defeat (evidence of this? I’ll give you one that speaks for itself: Maleficent mistaking the fridge for a safe and being unable to open it).

OR it ould be that every time they should have had a death, they wake up from their coma a little less than they were. A little less smart, a little less quick, a little less elegant, less fearsome, less anything. The more time they “die“ the more is taken from them. As an unpredicted aftereffect of cheating death.

And, ooops, this is a lot darker than I anticipated when I eleborated the idea in my head.

#disney descendants #descendants #mostly headcanons #or meta #whatever #this has the potential to turn into horror but please don't do this to me #I can't stand horror my heart is too weak #the last idea is from that movie the OG!Loki fandom references when we speak about how he was watered down more with every apparition in mcu #I prefer the barrier theory though #I mean how many times Maleficent must have died to turn like that?

[dizzydizney]

Pairing up the dwarfs and mermaids Seven Brides For Seven Brothers style and no one can stop me!

#the theory that dopey isnt a dwarf at all but just a child #but i'm expanding upon that to say that he grew up to be prince eric and marry ariel #making doug and melody siblings #of course that defeats the whole purpose of evie finding love with someone who wasn't royal #as if i'd keep devie together in my aus #this is my playhouse and you're just living in it #descendants #disney descendants #dizzy speaks

[moreespressoformydepresso]

Would you be interested in this theory of Jay being Aladdin’s son? I’m writing it now.

👀

Gotta say that’s a semi-new idea for me. I’ve heard Son Of Jasmine floating around but not son of Aladdin from what I can remember. Yes, I would be very interested in seeing that.

#aladdin #jasmine #descendants jay #descendants #disney descendants #theory #that’s just a theory #anon ask #the Jasmine’s Son theory is solely based on the first letter naming convention as far as I can tell #which is stupid #because Jafar also starts with JA #but I mean I ain’t gonna nitpick what’s clearly just a contrivance for the plot #it’s just that I like more detailed explanations and fully fledged theories

[blackbutlerfandomnerddomain]

Are Mal and Ben Malleus' parents? And is Malifey a guardian?

I love the whole idea of Disney having one large ass timeline of lore! This is a prime example!!

Okay, so the idea of Disney Villain Recruiters and Descendants being the same timeline is plausible since the Recruiters are, well, recruiters of the Disney villains. Plus, I think we all love the idea of everyone minus Veil and Jack babysitting or acting like big siblings to their little masters.

But for Disney Villains Recruiters and Twisted Wonderland being the same? Well, technically it's true. I mean, the Disney villains more historical figures than villains mortals are tempted to join sides with, they even have dorms based off them for their works. Though I have seen and I do believe the theory of Maleficent being Malleus' grandmother, I don't know if the recruiters might be canon.

Though that's not saying it couldn't or shouldn't. Ace acts a whole lot like Jack Heart which is fair and so the idea of them performing someplace is rather cute, like a little AU of them not working for their masters anymore and instead telling tales of them.

But could Descendants and Twisted Wonderland be in the same world?

The only thing that kind of iffs me with this is that Descendants takes place in a rather modern world of TV and smart phones and crud while Malleus is rather ageless but both him and Lilia kind of act like confused grandparents when seeing certain things and love new knowledge.

But that isn't saying the idea is dope! I dig it cause it adds flavor to certain character interactions I love!

But I will say this; Besides Malfie being a guardian / knight or even a father figure of sorts for Malleus I kind of developed a headcanon/theory that Dire Crowley is Malfie. It just makes sense in my heart somehow! The many mirrors he has on him, his behavior and voice mannerism, and him being more or less based off the crow of Maleficent if it isn't Lilia

#twisted wonderland #disney villain recruiters #descendents #disney descendants #mal descendants #ben descendants #malleus draconia #malfie #twst theory #twst theories #twisted wonderland theories #twisted wonderland theory

[journalofmycrazymind]

My brother saw a map of Auradon and said it looks like Australia and well he is not wrong...

#descendants #disney #disney descendants #descendants theory #disney theory #descendants au

[dragoneyes618]

So...do they look related? They have the same shaped eyebrows.

#cj hook #zarina #calista jane cj hook #calista jane hook #the pirate fairy #descendants #mrs. hook theory #disney zarina #zarina the pirate fairy #zarina pirate fairy #zarina is the hooks' mother

[dinklebat]

HOLY SHIT YALL

TWST fandom, I’m gonna need y’all to stick with me. I just watched Descendants: The Royal Wedding (because I binged the whole series with my friends to review it) and I need to talk about it.

At the end of the animation, Mal says (paraphrasing) that this is her happy ending, but another story could just be beginning. Then it pans over to a bunch of roses painted red and a rabbit hole (to wonderland). 

Look, my sister and I often joke about “what if Malleus was Mal’s son”, but… I’m sorry- did they just close the series with an allusion to the story continuing in wONDERLAND? Perhaps even a tWISTED wonderland??

I mean I know Yana Toboso admitted to being inspired by Descendants. I’m crying and screaming and yelling right now. I’ve been strongly arguing that TWST is just Descendants but better- but what if - AAAA 

#I can’t find anything about Disney explaining this scene #I know that Alice has a daughter in the miniseries + books but it seems weird for it to be a reference to her #because she’s in their age range #brb gotta make fan art of this #descendants #shitpost #twisted wonderland #TWST #malleus draconia #except wtf why was Mal’s last name bERTHA??? #also yes I know this is 99% probably a coincidence but it’s really really funny to me #in other words #ITS JUST A THEORY #A GAME- *gets assassinated*

[prankprincess123]

The 9yo girl I'm nannying this summer is obsessed with Disney theories and easter-eggs. Mostly just starting with generally known theories like the Frozen & Tangled connection thing and going from there, but a few just coming from her head as we watch Disney movies. And it is the funniest thing ever to provide the next step or two in the theory, or the piece in the middle of the puzzle she hasn't located, and just watch her brain explode. Like yesterday I pointed out the 'true love's kiss' x4 followed by an act of true love at Pedro's sacrifice in Encanto, and she sat there in shocked awe for 5min. Or we were watching Descendants this morning and she was trying to come up with ideas on who various Isle kids unknown parents are, and I just casually dropped some info revealed in the books, the fandom consensus and my own thoughts on the matters, and she just stared at me in awe for a moment before slowly nodding with a awed whisper "...that makes sense..." I feel very powerful in these types of conversations and it is hilarious.

#nannying #kids are hilarious #i feel very powerfull #disney #disney theory #disney headcanons #encanto #disney descendants #descendants headcanons #disney easter-eggs

[hannahhook7744]

So....

Do they look similar or am I seeing things?

#descendants #disney descendants #melissa de la cruz #naomi turner #elena of avalor #theory fodder #cj hook

[daughterofgaston]

Yo do you guys think Lilo and Stitch is canon in Descendants?

Like there’s aliens that are just chilling in Auradon? Hämsterviel is on the Isle, maybe with Gantu.

Yes this is sparked by me watching Lilo and Stich: The Series on Disney+

#disney descendants #descendants 2 #disney descendants theories #lilo and stitch

[disneydancepants]

I'm terribly sorry, but I HAVE to know more about the convergence of spheres and the "don't put Cedric on the isle, fleebag" story. Ur an amazing writer and very complex w with your storytelling! Yoh absolute genius!

I'm so sorry I didn't answer this sooner! I feel terrible... So, the "Convergence of the Spheres" concept comes from The Witcher series by Andrzej Sapkowski. I'm suuure you've heard of it, lol. I think the whole "Mandela Effect" thing is based on the same concept too. Basically, the idea is that multiple worlds/dimensions get merged together into one. My theory is that a similar thing happened in Descendants when the United States of Auradon is formed. All of the Disney Kingdoms are transported through space-time to merge into this new world.

Throughout Sofia the First, we see that Sofia is able to contact other Princesses across space-time using the Amulet of Avalor. She gets visited by Aurora (Prince Phillip reveals in Sleeping Beauty that they're in the 14th century) along with Tiana (20th century). Sofia even travels back in time HERSELF when she is called to help Princess Charlotte of Isleworth, who had the Amulet of Avalor before Sofia got it.

Sofia has a connection to all the Disney Princesses and their realms, and her series shows her to have a lot of magical potential. My idea is that a group of powerful magic beings got together and combined their magic to bring all the Disney Kingdoms together, across space-time, to form the continent of Auradon. Main contenders for this group are Sofia the First, Genie, Fairy Godmother, and Merlin: they're all shown to have knowledge of space-time travel.

I think Beast would have been elected King after the formation of the Auradon supercontinent... All the kingdoms would need to be together to vote. So that begs the question: why did this Magical Council decide to create the Convergence? Was it an accident? An attempt to stop some kind of major threat? I haven't figured that mystery out yet. I lean towards the latter: if Beast somehow acted as a hero during this crisis, it would definitely explain why everyone would be so willing to elect him as the King of Auradon. ------------------------------------------------------------------

Now for the Cedric issue. King Beast goes HARD on all the Villains. And not just the Villains either: other media shows that all the minions get sent to the Isle of the Lost too. Even minions who reformed (notably Iago, who reforms in Aladdin 2: Return of Jafar). Everyone is getting punished for their crimes. You know who that flies in the face of? Sofia. She makes a big point of forgiving Cedric the Sorcerer and allowing him the chance to change. She is NOT going to let him be thrown onto the Isle for crimes of which she already exonerated Cedric (More specifically, her step-dad exonerated Cedric at Sofia's insistence).

Neither King Beast nor Sofia back down, so Sofia leads Enchancia in seceding from Auradon. I imagine several other kingdoms go with them. Maybe Kuzcotopia (Kuzco wouldn't let Kronk, former minion of Yzma, get thrown onto the Isle) and Avalor? This would explain why these kingdoms aren't on the map of the Auradon continent.

Anyway, that's the gist of it. Sorry if this was long-winded. >.<

#Descendants #Sofia the First #Disney theory #King Beast #Auradon #the isle of the lost #disney analysis #disney descendants #descendants wicked world #Avalor #Convergence of the Spheres #Auradon Summit #High King of Auradon #Enchancia

[bucket-barnes]

I pose a theory: Zevon and Kaz

So as we know, Bradley Steven perry played Kaz in the Disney XD show Mighty Med and also voiced Zevon in Wicked world, yes? Well, the book “the isle of the lost” confirms that Mighty Med exists in the descendants universe, if I am to quote “then it switched again to two teenage boys who seemed to be running a hospital for superheros” (this quote in reference to when Carlos broke the barrier around the isle to get better tv channels) We also know from the books that Wicked world is also cannon, so this begs the question… do people think Zevon just sounds a lot like Kaz from mighty med? OR if we want to get a little nuttier, is Zevon ACTUALLY Kaz?? Your probably saying to yourself “Bucket, that sounds absurd!” And you’d be right, but as we know, wormhole transportation is a thing within mighty med so it isn’t completely out of the realm of possibility for kaz to have wound up on the Isle of the lost is all I’m saying

#disney descendants #mighty med #disney #wicked world #zevon descendants #theory #nonsense thoughts

[idontliketomatoesleavemealone]

Harriet, handing Captain Hook a newborn CJ: Fleur didn't make it, dad Captain Hook, handing CJ back to her: bring me the one Fleur made

#For everyone that i havent made elaborate theories about this with. Fleur is harry andCJs mother #disney descendants #Harriet Hook #CJ Hook #Captain Hook