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inconveniently-discorporated · 9 months

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Crack theory inspired by book of life theory.

So I'm sitting here thinking about all of these little things--

"All of us vs all of them"

Heaven & Hell seem to be hell (and heaven) bent on fighting each other and reducing the Earth down to a puddle of goo.

The Them, Newt & Anathema, Agnes Nutter.

Further Nice & Accurate Prophecies -- namely, The Big Story

The Book of Life, and past-meddling being teased -- at least maybe some wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff might be afoot.

What if it's not the Metatron messing with things? What if it's Aziraphale? In an attempt to save the Earth from Heaven and Hell. But maybe not to the extent of the actual book of life theory.

So this whole time post-S1, I've assumed that the two sides teamed up maybe because they were mad at the humans for averting the war. But I think "all of us vs all of them" might actually be humanity trying to avert another apocalypse (on a much bigger scale), whilst both demons and angels are taking an ACTIVE part in making the second coming happen (instead of everyone assuming these two idiots on Earth have it handled).

And I'm thinking about Aziraphale. I'm feeling like he's not going to want to immediately go against everything, and out himself as (still) a traitor. I think he's going to put a lot of work into undermining it, while not being obvious about it.

LIKE, MAYBE, SAY, BEING THE ONE TO SEND AGNES NUTTER VISIONS OF THE FUTURE SO EVERYTHING CAN BE WRITTEN DOWN AND HUMANITY HAS A BLUEPRINT FOR AVERTING THE APOCALYPSE? TWICE??

I feel like maybe we're going to see that Aziraphale really DOES need to be in Heaven and wield that power so he can actually work against it, but I also think that he's going to need Crowley's help earthside to coordinate all of that.

I'm NOT sure what to think about Muriel being in charge of the bookshop so far. They were installed by the Metatron, there are Heavenly ulterior motives. But I DO think it's going to end up being a critical miscalculation on the Metatron's part -- underestimating the power of "the dim one". I really think Muriel is going to help humanity in the end.

Although it would be funny if the Metatron was actually not a bad dude after all. Pretty classic for characters to be set up to be obvious villains, only for them to have secret plans that make them heroes after all. Maybe he really DID need to separate the two so they could work together but on separate pieces, but couldn't be obvious about it so he doesn't get Angel Revolution'd by the archangels who want war. Maybe he HAD to say what he did to Aziraphale about not avoiding the war because it was a test from God to see what he would do.

Like, why Aziraphale? If it's to get him out of the way, why NOT let Michael write him out of the book of life? Why bet on a wild card who's in love with a joker? I am now suspicious of the Metatron not as a villain, but as a secret hero. HMMM!

And just as an added bonus, I found it particularly powerful when Muriel said that books were like portable little people. That honestly feels like it's going to mean something at some point.

#good omens #gos3 theories #crack theories

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heheidks · 2 years

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mike S1 analysis (kinda)

this isn't a character analysis, its regarding the framing of mike after the events of the upside down.

so i was rewatching S1 for the hundredth time (as one does looking for byler crumbs) and something struck me.

i was on the last few mins of ep8 and i noticed something that was worth telling y'all. or maybe its just that i'm skin deep in delusion lol. also this is LONG.

background : isolated shots of people in a group setting are always used to indicate a deeper connection of that person with the object/person of focus in that particular scene.

thinking about how we got isolated shots of mike like this (when will was found) :

mike was the focus of this shot

then we were shown this as the camera zoomed in on mike (telling us that we're seeing his perspective)

then these infamous shots. the duffers had no reason to highlight mike's eagerness here (other than indicating the fact that mike and will have a very tender relationship diff than the others because we already know that the party love each other very much)

now I know this shot doesn't have mike in it but STILL we are told through that "Mike laughs". they all were jumping with excitement and were laughing so WHY HIGHLIGHT ONLY MIKE?

we see mike again when they've all shared hugs and here if you pay attention his expression says a lot. he is bubbling with pure happiness upon seeing will again.

but the intention of showing mike alone in this shot was to feed to our subconscious that mike's relationship with will is stronger (and different) than dustin and lucas's. this next shot proves my point.

dustin and lucas are blabbering about the events that happened during his disappearance and are shown TOGETHER, thus not having any indication of intimacy that we were shown in the case of mike.

then will coughs and we see mike (isolated in this shot) again with a little bit of concern on his face. (if the boys were to be shown to have equally strong friendships we would've got all three of them together in this shot but NO. we see a concerned mike and THEN we see a shot of dustin and lucas together). but WHERE do we see a group shot?

when el comes up in there convo. isn't that interesting? if mike had genuinely romantically fallen for her (as he said in his monologue) wouldn't it make sense for mike to have isolated shots here? but we don't get even a SINGLE shot of mike alone when el is being talked about. we get all three of them as if they all have the same relationship with el (platonic friendship).

then fast forward to the DnD game

we see will rolling the dice and mike looking at him fondly (pt.1)

EDIT : after reading @dinitride-art 's wonderful lighting analysis i saw another thing worth mentioning here

@dinitride-art mentioned how in s4 will is always shown in different/soft/angelic lighting whenever we're in mike's perspective.

see how in this will is bathing in light and is literally glowing while dustin and lucas are similarly lit (in low lighting).

and i don't need to say anything about this next one honestly

this means we're meant to see mike's perspective of will (soft/angelic/glowing) through the lighting choices all along.

this is when jonathan comes to pick will up and lucas is making fun of dustin. we see mike looking at will fondly(pt.2 coz honestly, this screencap of mike the preceding screencap are EXACTLY the same, as in, mike has the exact same expression on two different occasions (the second one where will isn't even the focus on the convo as opposed to the earlier one))

now one last one

mike is shown bidding will farewell TWICE, once when him and dustin are saying together and the second time here, as if he wants will to explicitly know that HE is saying goodbye.

the duffers are telling us from the beginning that there is a lot more to mike and will's relationship and they've been building it up from the start.

byler endgame.

#byler #byler analysis

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lillotte17 · 7 months

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Okay. So. The thiiiiing about ‘No nightingales,’ that trips me up (outside of the fact that it is just an absolutely devastating thing for Crowley to say) is that it’s a reference, right? It’s a callback to some discussion that we have not been privy to. We as the audience knew that ‘A Nightingale Sang in Berkley Square’ was their song from S1, but this line proves that both Crowley and Aziraphale are also aware that this is their song.

How do you have an ‘our song’ with someone, if you’ve never Talked About Things even once? Especially if that ‘our song’ is blatantly romantic???

Aziraphale also seems to reference the song in the 1967 flashback, though a bit more subtly, when he says that maybe they could ‘go on a picnic one day or dine at the Ritz.’ So, this is a reference they’ve both used before and understand with one another.

Which also means that saying that now there are ‘no nightingales’ implies that they BOTH knew that there WERE ‘nightingales’ at one point. Other people have said they think there must be a 3rd scene from 1941, and I believe it, because that does seem to be a big turning point, and we left them drinking by candlelight after Aziraphale A) figured out he was in love with Crowley, B) nearly got discorporated twice, and C) managed to actually turn the tables and save Crowley (and likely himself) from getting into Serious Trouble with their head offices. I’m sure emotions are running high after all that. A few bottles of wine, and who knows what kinds of words will start tumbling out?

(Completely random and unlikely aside, but I personally love the idea of a slow dance. I don’t think that it is likely to have happened, but what COULD have happened is Aziraphale deciding they need some music, turning on the radio, and after a while The Song comes on. Aziraphale makes a comment about how much he likes it, to which Crowley gets up and offers to dance with him to it. And Aziraphale wants to. Oh, my stars, how he wants to, but he’s not quite brave enough yet. So, he says, ‘thank you for the offer, but angels don’t dance, so I can’t, you see,’ and he thanks him again, and maybe says, very quietly, that he wishes that he could. So, they don’t dance, but they keep the song. And SO, when Aziraphale throws his Jane Austen Ball, he FINALLY has decided that they are safe enough for them to dance like he wanted them to all the way back in 1941, and Crowley’s confused ‘you don’t dance’ is because he remembers Aziraphale telling him that he couldn’t. And Aziaphale runs off holding his hand giggling so delightedly because, ‘I couldn’t before, but I can NOW!’)

ANYWAY! I never liked the idea that the talk with Nina is the lightbulb moment for Crowley figuring out that he was in love with Aziraphale. And this line really just kind of blows that out of the water, right? It doesn’t make sense. Like…Crowley is generally pretty self-aware. He’s had to be in order to survive his time working for Hell. I mean, I could maybe believe that he hadn’t worked out that he loved Aziraphale romantically, because I enjoy HCing them as ace, and oof, I have been the last one to figure out I had a crush myself, so Big Mood my guy (gender neutral). But even that seems like a bit of a stretch if you are both using a love song for double-speak about your relationship?

It clearly is a Penny Dropping kind of moment for him, though, so I’m sort of curious about what he has figured out. That things have moved faster than he expected when he wasn’t looking, and he doesn’t know what that means for them? That not only are there nightingales, but they are finally singing loud enough for other people to hear? That might explain the day drinking tbh. It’s probably an extra helping of anxiety for him in the middle of a preeettty stressful situation. ^_^;

To close with a different, but not unrelated thought: Aziraphale’s ‘I Forgive You.’

I’m not sold on this yet but thinking about the ‘No Nightingales’ turned me to the rest of it (of course) and like…they have had fights like this one. We see a fight like this in episode one of this season, and it’s clear that this is a usual thing for them, but of course the stakes have never been this high, and so the blow up has never been this bad. Things are said, Crowley already feels rejected, so when Aziraphale says, ‘I need you,’ Crowley comes back a moment later with ‘No Nightingales’ which could be taken in SO many ways, and all of them are heartbreaking.

‘What we had is over.’

‘I don’t love you anymore.’ (An obvious lie but freaking OW.)

‘You don’t love me anymore.’

Or possibly even, ‘If you ask me to do this, you never loved me at all.’

And then he kisses him, which is swinging all the way around the other way from that last statement, tbh. Wth Crowley. It’s no wonder that Aziraphale is so thrown off.

But I don’t think that the ‘I forgive you’ was about the kiss. I think it was the response to ‘No Nightingales.’

I think it was ‘I forgive you for giving up on us, even though I’m So Mad at You about it.’ And I think it was also, ‘I forgive you for not believing in me more, even though I was begging you to.’ And I also think it was ‘There ARE nightingales, and I hear them even if you can’t, and I forgive you for imagining even for one moment that there aren’t any.’ It was, ‘I love you even though you are making me So Angry Right Now.’

#good omens #good omens 2 #Crowley #Aziraphale #crowley x aziraphale #another day another rambling meta post lmao #sort of want to run off with that slow dance idea tho #hmmm

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katsaturnwhatever · 6 months

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On Fandom and Fantasy

I just wanted to get a few things off my chest as we head full sail into the finale.

Many of the criticisms I’ve read of S2 (other than the pacing, which I agree with, but I accept that as Max’s budgeting fuckup) basically boil down to “too dark/violent”, “too angsty”, “too silly”, or being disappointed that romantic pairings (Ed/Stede and Jim/Olu, mostly) worked out differently than they’d hoped. And I get it. We were all so hopelessly in love with S1 that we’d come up with a lot of very specific ideas about how it should resolve. We needed it to resolve. It was a painful time, not knowing if we would get a second season, and then not knowing if it would live up to our expectations. I know I’m not the only one who cried. I wrote half a dozen analysis pieces, I made fanart, I read lots of fix-it fics. This show changed me in ways I’m still struggling to define.

I just want to remind folks that this is very much the same show. Too dark and violent? Like, have we forgotten that Stede got stabbed twice in S1? Too angsty? Do you remember Ed sobbing by the window, believing that his one chance to find happiness was gone forever? Too silly? It’s always been a ridiculous, over-the-top theatrical production. Remember the fuckery? The jam room? The incest twins from the party? Or whippies?

As for the romantic resolution, well, all I can say is that it’s a show about how relationships can be messy, but you talk it through and maybe look at it from a different angle to create something that works, because the love is there even if the circumstances are all wrong. Maybe life just begins again.

As for Jim/Olu, I get why the tealoranges diehards are upset that they’re involved with other people now, but this is, after all, a show about love in its many forms. The love between them is absolutely still there, and in many ways it’s deepened as they came to understand what it means to be each other’s “anchor”. And in Jim’s case, it meant supporting Olu -enthusiastically- in pursuing love elsewhere. I agree that their whole situation deserved more screen time, but the bones of it are there. It’s not fundamentally all that different from what happens with Stede and Mary at the end of S1. They wish each other nothing but happiness and support. They respect each other’s journeys. They love each other. Full stop.

I’ve seen people disappointed that Ed and Stede’s first time was tainted by sorrow and regret. People wanted it to be perfect, like it was in their favorite fics. But Ed and Stede have all the emotional maturity of two young people who’ve never had a serious romantic relationship before. You remember being young, right? Making stupid mistakes? Sleeping with someone under less-than-optimal circumstances? Misinterpreting things said? Worrying that you’re not good enough? Dreaming that someday all these wishes and desires will align, even as reality storms in to tear it all apart again? These are all very real things that happen. The show itself may be a fantasy, but it’s based on very realistic emotional scenarios that I haven’t seen depicted elsewhere with such honesty and insight. It wouldn’t be the same show if they just kissed and made up, and ran off to open an inn together. Leave that for the fanfiction.

If it hurts, it’s because it’s supposed to hurt. Love hurts. But it’s worth it. And I have faith that the people making this show absolutely know how emotionally invested we are, but it’s gonna take 3 seasons to get to that happy ending. We’re not there yet. We have many miles yet to sail. But the joy is in the journey, and the love we find along the way.

#ofmd season two #ofmd analysis #ofmd meta #ofmd 2 spoilers #our flag means death 2 #ofmd 2 #ofmd s2 spoilers #ofmd season 2 #ofmd s2 #ofmd #ofmd spoilers

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kermitttttt · 9 months

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the fact that the minisodes were much longer than in s1 (just a cold opening there) made me notice A LOT how the relationship between aziracrow evolved. Because we know they’re two dumbasses, and it took them +6000 years to understand even a little bit of what they feel for each other, but from time to time their exchanges changed a bit, slowly, but it happened. Maybe it was only my impression, but it occurred to me how their love and caring for each other grows from the beginning (and before) to the present day. Especially in the Job minisode, we see crowley being interested towards azi and his “angel being”. Of course we saw that in the garden of eden too, but here we have more time to analyse what emotions they feel in the situation: crowley’s obviously intrigued by aziraphale, but they’re not on their side yet, so we can notice how he’s not really worried about scaring aziraphale, or making him go away, even tho he opens to him quite quickly. On the other hand, we see an aziraphale that doesn’t know a thing about the human world, he’s quite, let’s say confused by it too, and he stil talks to humans with pompous words as if he’s always announcing something very important. They don’t know each other that much, yeah maybe they talked before crowley fell but now this s a completely different scenery. Just remember that, as far as we know, they only met each other twice on earth before, and this, this is the first time they make and arrangement. Not the type they make after, with the i-don’t-interfere-with-your-work-and-so-do-you-with-mine, no, they collaborate against their sides, somehow against god herself. What i want to say is that, even though we see them uncertain about each other, and definitely not confident like in the present day, they still put a big amount of trust in the other. Crowley had already done some work his way, he tells azi that when we discover the sheeps weren’t dead but just turned into birds, but he asks him to not say anything to anyone. He’s not as calm about that as some years later, and aziraphale, well that’s the first time he ever lies, so it’s clear how anxious he is. But the fact that they trusted each other so much although the fear of being caught, that makes me really think they are soulmates. They found each other working on the same task, they agreed they could do better that what they were supposed to and they did, because all the anxiety that felt aziraphale wasn’t nearly enough to make him not follow crowley instructions, and all the disillusion crowley felt wasn’t enough to make him not ask aziraphale for help. Of course aziracrow trust grown in the years, but it started a long, long time ago and it was so strong they didn’t even hesitate to give it to the other right away.

#help this is my first time sharing my thoughts on something #and not only being silly about this two #i hope what i wrote makes some sense #good omens #good omens 2 #gomens #ineffable husbands #go2 #crowley good omens #aziraphale #aziracrow #gomens2

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laniakea314 · 9 months

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MAJOR GOOD OMENS SPOILERS!!!!!

Only read if you’ve seen season 2

I rewatched season 2 and had a series of thoughts

We saw that heaven wants to start a 2nd Armageddon, but since the 1st one was (at least in part) prevented by Aziraphale and Crowley, what if the Metatron’s main purpose is to split them up because in order to prevent the Apocalypse, Aziraphale and Crowley have to work together? (which is also what Crowley tried to convince Aziraphale of in s1 ep1)

I’ll elaborate in a second, but first a few theories.

It’s possible that Crowley was the first supreme Archangel, the first Prince of Heaven. Maybe that’s why he didn’t mention his name during Aziracrow’s first meeting, has access to top secret files in heaven, and why the Metatron said (s2, ep6) that a disaster like Gabriel being cast out would constitute an institutional problem because such things aren’t supposed to happen twice. So Crowley’s fall could’ve been the first case, since we still don’t know much about his past. He fell because he questioned the authorities and Heaven’s will (a bit like how Gabriel votes against a 2nd Armageddon). Crowley isn’t evil, but he’s dangerous to the system, so they needed him out. But if he really used to be an archangel, it could explain why he said that he knows more about Aziraphale’s offer than he himself.

Also, a couple of times in this season we witness Crowley not recognising certain faces (like Furfur’s) he met in the past. But the Metatron? He immediately remembered him. Must’ve made quite an impression then. I don’t believe Crowley trusts the Metatron (he doesn’t trust Heaven in general tbh). And from that glance and suspicious miracle sound we hear when the Metatron turns to Crowley before going outside with Aziraphale in ep6, I believe the feeling is mutual.

Aziraphale is traumatised by 6000 years of religious gaslighting, and the Metatron is making use of that by telling him lots of nice words to lure him back in, cleverly taking advantage of Aziraphale’s great weakness, his love for Crowley.

However, it’s likely that he never wanted Crowley to come back to Heaven and work with Aziraphale. But he doesn’t see this offer as a risk, as if he already knew how everything would play out. That Aziraphale would take on the opportunity while Crowley would reject it, making them go separate ways. Which could be the Metatron’s true intention.

Some observations about the Metatron:

When we see him make an order at the coffee shop, he points out the name, “give me coffee or give me death”, and how predictable it was that people always chose the coffee and no one ever chose death. Key word here is “predictable”.

Could be farfetched, but what if this is foreshadowing, and the “coffee” stands for joining heaven, while “death” stands for remaining on earth, which would result in literal death once Heaven tries to start a 2nd apocalypse? It’s predictable that people would choose coffee. And Aziraphale does too.

Now about Muriel. The Metatron asks them to remain at the bookshop and that it was great they were reading a book, likely because he was already planning to leave the bookshop to them, as if he truly expected Aziraphale to follow him.

Maybe there was something wrong with the coffee, or the Metatron did some weird miracle to manipulate Aziraphale, or he is just super good at predicting people’s actions, but when the Metatron made Aziraphale the offer of becoming supreme archangel, he must’ve been VERY confident that Aziraphale would take it.

Tbh Aziraphale’s choice wasn’t so out of character. After all, he’s someone who sees the good in people, loves forgiveness and likes to get involved in tasks that require a certain level of responsibility (for ex. performing in a magic show, hosting the shop owner’s meeting…). So it makes sense that he would want to try to fix heaven, given the opportunity (since he knows that heaven can sometimes be cruel). Moreover, while Crowley might have come to peace with the possibility that everything - angels, demons, heaven and hell etc. (s2 ep1) - might be pointless, Aziraphale needs a purpose. For the majority of his life, it was supporting God’s will and the Great Plan, then it was stopping Armageddon. In the past years, he didn’t really have something like that. But a promotion to supreme archangel could restore that sense of purpose, by doing good and trying to turn things around in heaven.

Aziraphale loves Earth and he must have thought about the world’s well-being above everything when accepting the Metatron’s offer. And since the offer included making Crowley an angel again and working together in Heaven, how could he have said no?

(On the other hand, one of the things that makes me wonder whether Aziraphale’s decision was completely free: he was suspiciously quick to accept to work in an environment far away from the place he’s known for millennia, away from earthly delights like food, literature and music, and away from his beloved bookshop, leaving it in the hands of an angel he barely knows.)

Anyway, Aziraphale probably expected Crowley to be on board with the idea (given how happy he was to deliver the news) but Crowley turned the offer down, thus putting him before a very painful dilemma.

We know that Aziraphale is incredibly indecisive. While Crowley is sure of his beliefs and values and does as he pleases, for Aziraphale it’s always been much harder to stray from heaven’s expectations. Throughout the 6000 years he’s usually relied on what he believes God would want, even claiming that he was on “God’s side”. But Crowley has helped him understand and unwrap the hypocritical side of Heaven (like in the minisodes of ep 2 and 3), causing Aziraphale many interior moral conflicts. Aziraphale loves Crowley, but his inability to take a definite stance - whether it is between god’s or humanity’s interests, heaven or Crowley - is still compromising his loyalty towards his best and only true friend.

And many people have pointed out Aziraphale’s hesitation to reject Crowley, like when he held his back for a very brief moment during their kiss, or when he touched his own lips afterwards, as if to re-feel the kiss. Because of course he’s also in love with Crowley and wants to be with him but he’s so very indecisive and, on top of that, bad at communicating. Like, from the way he sold his offer to Crowley, it sounded as if they could only be together if they were both angels, that they had to do good deeds. And the “I forgive you” after the kiss?! What has Crowley done to him that would require forgiveness? The kiss? The fact that Crowley wanted to stay a demon, who by definition is unforgivable? Was that some sort of charitable response?

Aziraphale, ily but you shattered Crowley’s heart and everybody else’s too. What’s that poor demon supposed to think now?!

(Sorry for the rant)

And despite that, Crowley still waited for Aziraphale, hoping that he might change his mind. Before their talk, he was so excited about the “us time” and that long breakfast at the Ritz they were supposed to have, he even prepared to play “A nightingale sang in Barkley square” in the Bentley when they would drive there. He was finally ready to confess to the person he loves, after 6000 years!!! And then- and then… no nightingales 😭

Neil Gaiman did such a spectacular job on the whole season and especially the finale. It was absolutely brilliant, peak screenwriting, and so so heart-shattering.

There’s still so much to unpack but I wanted to add one more thought about Crowley.

Crowley has just poured out his heart, bared his soul to Aziraphale, mustered up the courage to unpack 6000 years of friendship, mutual trust, to confess that he wants to be with Aziraphale forever, be an “us”. He showed Aziraphale his most vulnerable side. After their break up, he’ll need a lot time to process his thoughts and feelings, because although they’ve fought before, it has never been like that. But even if the hurt, frustration and disappointment are unlikely to fade anytime soon, 6000 years can’t just be erased like that.

Crowley knows that Heaven can be dangerous, toxic and manipulative, and he has seen the records about Gabriel, seen how the other angels won’t hesitate to get rid of those who stand in the way of their ambitions. He’s seen the plans for a second Armageddon and knows that Aziraphale would be against it and that standing up for/ opposing that idea in Heaven would get him into serious trouble. Not to mention that Heaven is the very place that tried to kill Aziraphale in s1 ep6, and Crowley had front row seats in witnessing their cruelty.

So, knowing all that, Crowley wouldn’t just stand by and watch while he knows that Aziraphale is in danger, would he? (After all, rescuing Aziraphale makes him so happy…)

He probably wouldn’t do something right away, but I don’t think he’ll remain impassive to his beloved angel being in an unsafe situation for too long (he might even collaborate with Muriel, that would be fun to see again).

I don’t know if any of all that made sense but I just had to scream out my thoughts somewhere because GO2 left me with a LOT of them.

I love this show, the characters, the creators and actors with all my heart. I was super hyped for season 2 and it exceeded all my expectations

A HUGE THANK YOU TO NEIL GAIMAN AND EVERYONE INVOLVED ❤️❤️❤️❤️

#good omens #ineffable husbands #aziraphale #crowley #go2e6 #good omens season 2 #good omens spoilers #go2 spoilers #david tennant #michael sheen #neil gaiman

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gregoftom · 10 months

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and tom makes himself so vulnerable and gets rejected twice!!!

greg doesn't respond right/enough to your my favourite/I'd marry you, when like you say it's such a confession. so then he's like fight me (entangle our bodies together) fight me fight me (grab me hold me let me grab and hold you) (lay with me wrapped around me). and greg's strong verbal rejection, then tom's "I don't want to either!!!" is soooooo telling so insane crazy so heartbreaking!!!

bro is breaking down about prison and just wants some comfort so goes to his actual favourite and bleeds in front of him trying to connect in the most genuine way he never has before/can. and greg gives him a bashful smile and concern but not the tactile love and passion and touch that he's after.

this man needs to be touched!

he's trying so hard to ask for it to instigate it and it's painful being that vulnerable, and then he's opened himself up too much and lost and feels worse than before. and maybe he's not his favourite's favourite. and maybe he's alone and lonely and it's not for lack of trying so there's nothing left for him to do but be hurt. and push greg away (but tom can't ever push greg away for good! because greg's still and always tom's favourite! it's repeated in the bathroom fight and forehead sticker soooo directly!!! you hurt me, I try to hate you, I pull you close and kiss you with care and tenderness).

and now I'm also just thinking about all the times that tom's touched greg and how what that really means is he wants greg to touch him.

(and how in s4 and beyond the finale greg is touchy with him and will be touchy and will rise to fight and grab when tom wants and needs to grab. how tom is greg's favourite too. how greg becomes and grows to be everything tom's needing from him, and it's just from greg becoming so comfortable in they're relationship and wanting tom in turn and caring about tom in turn and being possessive of tom in turn. the verdict is love, your honour!!!! they're married now)

OOF OUCH OUHIES OW OWwwwwwwwwww whywhwwdhywndshuhuhuhufhgughhuuuu [sounds of me crying]

no but exactly like, to have an unrequited fp is like. actually soul crushing and greg is not at the point yet [re: nero sporus scene] where he can trust tom's affection, not only because tom is. well you know, tom, with him, at the start, but because he's been given up on and abandoned before. he also can't really comprehend someone actually wanting him to touch him or him touching someone and it being welcomed either because of how often he is recoiled from or treated like something gross. also it's like. a really heavy thing on someone! he responds nicely but he just can't reach that level yet because why should he trust tom's love like that when people have thrown him around before depending on actions which he can never get right [ewan] or abandoned him to fend for himself even though he's tried to take care of them [marianne].

yeah yeah tom needs touch absolutely. he's always touching greg because his love language is touch [lucky for him greg's is too so that works out when they finally realise that each other is genuine and really does care about one another] and again greg is kinda like. HUH?? because he's so used to people purposefully trying to avoid him physically. he likes it but he can't fully commit to it s1-3 [3.09 is i think the first time he realises that maybe it's okay because he reaches up to hug at first, then decides not to because he doesn't want to frighten tom off, but then tom holds his arms out and he takes tom's shoulders and pulls him in slightly and tom is jostled a little with the force of that hug, like. man.] because he's just like. what is happening? is it real?

and ohghhgnfdf yeah definitely earlier on tom tries to push greg away but just can't which is another reason greg reacts so strongly to tom pushing him away/withholding the love and trust from him in later s4 that he's given earlier on, because wtf man, i thought we were best friends? i thought we were over this shit, i thought i was your confidant? he even asks in america decides, what are we? because he doesn't want to be tom's side piece any more, he wants to be his lover. he doesn't want to be treated as someone who is told in the aftermath. but tom is doing it unintentionally here bc he's so laser focused on getting to a position where he can secure greg like he's so desperate to keep greg with him he ends up pushing him out by accident. he does admit to needing greg specifically but it's not enough, and it leads to greg's actions in the finale - he needs to protect himself because he's not sure if tom still will. everything is so much.

but YEAH ON GOD S4 GREG IS MY ENTIRE ASS FOR THIS REASON. he's soooo. god. he wifes for tom so hard it's actually insane. it becomes very clear to us that greg absolutely adores tom back; he's being carefree with him, laughing openly with him, pressing his whole body to him, being practically glued to him in the sense you won't see one without the other, singing his song, taking care of him, watching out for him, coming into the damn ass wake with him because it makes tom feel safe, being his literal lifeline and not hanging up on him when he needs it most, smashing a bottle in the face of the person who hurts his best friend bc enough is enough. between s3-4 they became best friends which is just so like. deep, and builds a stronger foundation for whatever fucked up lusty thing they had before. possessive greg of tom is my ASS god i wish we had gotten more of that. but at least we have these pics.

#tomgreg #i am very normal about them as you can see :)

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The Nice and Accurate Observations of Good Omens by Elijowa, Fan

Being a Close Re-Watching of Season 1 in the Light of What We Now Know from Season 2

Containing therein Analyses of Crowley, Aziraphale and their Relationship throughout the Show

Episode One

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So I have a confession to make. I've only ever watched Good Omens Season 1 twice and Season 2 once.

I know, I know, I need to get my priorities straightened out! How can I possibly be a fan if I've only got a mere 18h of watch-time under my belt? What can I say? Life keeps on getting in the way.

Anyway, I decided to treat myself with a close re-watching of Season 1 and see what jumps out at me now that we have new information from Season 2. You're very welcome to follow along or ignore these ramblings as you please!

So, without further ado, I present my thoughts on S1E1.

(Much, much more below the cut)

Let's start with the big one:

Crowley and Aziraphale don't appear to be in love - or even "in like" - during Episode 1.

So, picture this: I'm settling down with lots of warm fuzzy anticipation for all the stolen glances and hesitant hand gestures between Aziraphale and Crowley that I was sure I had either missed or forgotten about from my previous two viewings, and I make a surprising discovery:

There aren't any.

They barely seem to like each other in this episode - they are quite distant and snarky with each other (not the affectionate teasing banter that we've come to know and love, but almost a condescending snideness).

I can't see this version of Aziraphale trusting this version of Crowley to aim a live firearm at him (in fact, in the very next episode, he isn't even comfortable with the demon pointing a paintgun at him). And this version of Crowley would not dream of following Aziraphale around to help him fulfil his dream of being a professional conjuror, and actually actively discourages him from pursuing the notion (although, as many people have pointed out, it's amusing to think that this is because of happened the last time he did this).

So what gives? If there are people saying that the ending of S2E6 doesn't make sense (it does) because it betrays the millennia-long journey these characters have been on (it doesn't) - then I feel like we ought to be having that same discussion about the beginning of S1E1.

OK, OK. Obviously there are lots of 'out-of-universe' reasons for this inconsistency in the portrayal of C & A's relationship. This is the first episode of a new series and not all of the audience will be familiar with these characters; it's necessary to start them in the position of being hereditary enemies in order to give them room to grow and change; the show is a faithful adaptation of the book in which there's basically no romantic tension between the A & C at all, and Neil Gaiman is on record saying he didn't want to make any big changes this relationship, since he could sadly no longer consult with Terry Pratchett. Plus, S2 hadn't been written at this point, so there are undoubtedly details that Mr Gaiman didn't yet know with regards to the shared history of Crowley and Aziraphale while writing S1.

My current theory is that the infamous "You go too fast for me Crowley" line was NOT Aziraphale saying "please be patient with me because I need more time to catch up to where you are in our relationship". Rather, it was him saying, "I can't keep doing this. It was fun while it lasted but it's time I grew up, faced reality and put this silly little crush behind me. So goodbye forever." And he meant it.

But where's the fun in just talking about real-world reasons when we can come up with lots of juicy headcanons instead?!

From Crowley's point of view, I think that by now he'd be used to Aziraphale having periodic wobbles about their friendship. And so, from experience, he knows the best way to handle it is to back all the way off until Aziraphale has 'completed his process', is ready to re-engage again - maybe in a couple of hundred years - and things can go back to what Crowley thinks of as normal.

But knowing all this doesn't make it any less hurtful or frustrating to be rejected because of who he is. So maybe Crowley throws himself back into his bad boy role with a bit more venom than usual - still not doing anything directly evil per se, just enough to tick the boxes on some Hellish paperwork (bringing down mobile networks, designing the M25). Maybe he's more likely to foment discontent while simultaneously not really caring about anything he does either way, because what's even the point if he doesn't have his angelic foil around to wind up/impress?

And normally they would both have about a century or two to successfully work through their respective feelings, and so when they eventually reconnect they can slip back into their comfortable familiarity with relative ease. But the birth of the Antichrist screws up this schedule, truncates both of their coping processes, and means neither of them are quite ready to be best buds again. Hence their 'more prickly than what we might expect' attitudes towards each other in Episode One.

Hooo boy. I feel like I've barely even got half way through all the things I noticed and want to talk about in S1E1, but I think I need to save it for another time or we'll be here for all ineffable eternity. Well done if you made it this far and thanks for coming along for the ride!

#please be gentle this is my first proper attempt at writing anything meta #good omens meta #good omens s1 #good omens rewatch #Aziraphale #Crowley #good omens headcanons

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No bc Mike getting vecna'd is such a good idea if byler endgame is the goal. Like his regret/shame would be the fact that he can't say ily to his gf and the fact that he's in love w his best friend but repressing it. Then will could confess and this would remove some of that shame thus possibly saving him?? Cause people saying will gets cursed has me wondering what his regret would be (other than his love for Mike, which he seems to be relatively accepting of, whereas Mike (if he is in love w will) is repressing it much more and prob thinks it will hurt el whom he really cares about)

(this got a bit longer than i first wanted, but i have too many delusional theories 💖)

exactly, i see this more even as a great tool for their respective character developments than even for the ship itself, but ofc that would be best outcome if this all happened.

in my opinion if will gets vecna'd it would just be too similar to what hes already been through before, it would be unnecessary repeating. what we need is to see will have some connection to the upside down, that will help by the end to defeat vecna or whoever else in s5.

meanwhile it would be much more interesting to see this with mike. bc overall its a bit more difficult to see what hes really thinking, if we only see the surface level emotions.

first, he cares about all his friends beyond anything. and while will and el and max went through such trauma that was very visible, (and theyre still dealing with that, we still dont know much how mike is dealing with anything.

we only see how he changes depending on whos around him and how they interact together (dustin and lucas, eddie, will, el, his family - i feel he acts very different around each of them)

In season one his best friend went missing, was pressumed dead and had a funeral - mike thought, even for a while, he lost him permanently.

In that time el appeared and was helping find will, his friends suddenly think he likes her more than a friend (its whats normal, right? Ofc he should like her before he even knows himself...)

He fights with lucas about el in s1, and one of the things he said (i cant remember exactly now) is how he feels guilty they fought about it, "if only he could have said something more, something better, its my fault"

i think he said something similar in different situations during the first three seasons, and then in s4, when hes opening up to will about this, he tells him similar thing twice "if only i explained myself better, i should have said something more to el, do something better"

from that i get the feeling hes always trying to do not just the best he can, but whats expected of him. and when he finds he doesnt have the power to stop something, or physically cannot make himself say something thats probably not true, he blames himself afterwards.

S3 is such rollercoaster for him, hes with el but cant be with el bc hopper, and then cant say what he feels - or maybe he doesnt know whats hes supposed to feel. And then el and will are leaving. Two of his most important friends, and i think thats what made him all the more confused, bc what if he misses will more than el?

Why did the promise of will wanting only play d&d with mike made him smile so much, but then the kiss with el made him all the more confused?

theres two such contrasts in his personality, where one of his main beliefs is "friends dont lie" and he does as much as he can with honestly, but at the same time he pushes something inside him down and pretends it doesnt exist (his complicated feelings towards.. romance, lets say).

Back to the vecna theory - this is why i think if mike gets vecna'd it would add more perspective to his character and for us to see what all hes been going through in the past seasons.

Same as his feelings towards will, its been there building from s1.

It could be few flashbacks and memories telling the audience the scenes that already happened from mike's point of view, how he struggles at home,

how he regretted the words he said to will in s3 (its not my fault you dont like girls), bc it was more directed at himself than will, but he didnt realize that yet.

how finding eddie and playing in d&d club could mean hes slowly finding himself (and with d&d being like a connection will again, bc its something they both loved playing together).

And how all of this is so confusing, especially for their time in the 80s, and hes still trying his best, but slowly, more and more cant ignore that his heart wants something (someone) else than hes supposed to be with.

Its just all these things that will go either unnoticed and unmentioned in the series, which i think would be a shame, or it could be addressed in the way with vecna who would manipulate his fears and nightmares, and if others can save him (which im sure they would), he could start process it in a better way, more honest to himself as well to others. To accept himself, and by that also will's feelings (if he noticed those, which i dont think he did, i think will noticed mike's confused ones, if anything.)

#ok posting it like this theres probably a million mistakes but i could only write this during work half thinking about other things shdjnf #byler #my ramblings #i hope this wasnt totally confusing i just have too many headcanons and theories about mike and his character #at the same time i wanna hug him but also.. boy you need some vecna therapy sorry about that #stranger things #spoilers #mine #byeler

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Not trying to sound annoying here, but I said many times that this play was going to most likely include a love story between Bob's sister and Henry while people disagreed and attacked me. Now it's revealed that what I predicted was true, now some people just seem to not accept this reality despite the reveal being obvious.

I also think that it's pretty likely that the writers will connect the story to the play and revolve the story around it by conforming that Henry wants to take revenge on the town and on Joyce, Bob, and Hopper because of something they 'did' in the past from Henry's perspective. Maybe they caused Patty's death accidentally and that's what made Henry be angry at town and Joyce, Bob, and Hopper. That may be the reason why Henry wants to take revenge on the town and Jopper + Bob. This also most likely includes Will's kidnapping. And it actually would explain a lot of things, if Henry wants to kinda take revenge, it explains why the Byers are the only family in the town who seem to get targeted in S1, why the MF/Demogorgon seems to not be fond of Joyce and was angry at her, why Will was the one who got targeted twice, and why Bob ended up getting killed, etc.

We may not like this story personally, but let's be real guys... it's very clear and likely that this is where the writers are going for in terms of the overall story and the play's plot.

Is the discourse really that intense right now? I barely see anyone talking about the play

I agree that Patty may play a part in Henry's downfall, but I don't think it'll be the only reason. Maybe just the start of it. The "memory that makes you sad but angry" and he starts spiraling as one bad thing happens to him after another. Patty, his mom, Brenner, all of it.

And you know, I've been wondering about this Alice thing as well. Why wouldn't she have been cast? It's so weird. It got me thinking, was Alice adopted? Did they try to "replace" Henry with a happier child? I dunno random thought that's been swimming in my brain.

Anyway, I still don't agree that Bob, Joyce, or Hopper will be directly involved int his or that Henry has a personal vendetta against them in particular. The Byers weren't the only ones targeted in town, only Will seemed to have been hand picked. Otherwise, the Demogorgon only cared about food and El. It chased or killed everyone else.

In season 2, yet again, it didn't give a shit about anything other than Will and only started caring about everyone else when it got burned and decided to kill anyone in Will's way.

In season 3, it only cared about El. Everyone else involved was meat food.

In season 4, he only cared about his 4 targets so that he could open a gate and kill everyone.

Imo, it's unnecessary to center this conflict on Vecna getting revenge against Joyce and Hopper specifically. I truly think Henry hates the whole town and everyone in it, including them.

I think Joyce, Hopper, and Bob probably witnessed what happened that upset Henry so much, but I'm really not sure why they'd be the cause of it. Not even accidentally.

An example I can think of is their biggest inspiration for Freddy Kruger. When he was alive, Freddy was burned to death by an entire mob of parents so now he hunts down the children of that mob, which is essentially the whole town. Whether or not the parents directly did something like pour gasoline or light the fire, they witnessed it and thus became his targets.

In A Nightmare on Elm Street, Freddy is introduced as a serial child killer, Fred Krueger, from the fictitious town of Springwood, Ohio, who kills his victims with a bladed leather glove he crafted in a boiler room where he used to take his 20 victims. He is captured, but is set free on a technicality when it is discovered that the search warrant was not signed in the right place. He is hunted down by a mob made up of the town's vengeful parents and cornered in the boiler room. The mob douses the building with gasoline and sets it on fire by throwing Molotov cocktails, burning him alive. While his body dies, his spirit lives on within the dreams of a group of teenagers and pre-adolescents living on Elm Street, whom he preys on by entering their dreams and killing them, fueled by the town's memories and fear of him and empowered by a trio of 'dream demons' to be their willing instrument of evil. He is apparently destroyed at the end of the film by protagonist Nancy Thompson (Heather Langenkamp), but the last scene reveals that he has survived. He goes on to antagonize the teenage protagonists of the film's sequels, including Jesse Walsh (Mark Patton), Kristen Parker (Patricia Arquette), Alice Johnson (Lisa Wilcox), and Lori Campbell (Monica Keena).

If I had to guess the plot:

Henry already had trouble fitting in and a pretty poopy home life. Maybe while his dad was at war in Vietnam (that is the war he was in right?), his mother didn't take care of him and was awful.

Suddenly, when his dad was finally coming back to war, his mother flipped her switch and suddenly became the model mother and wife and despite her neglect, tried to get him to do it too, be he wasn't good at pretending.

He finally makes a friend Patty and he feels like things are finally looking up, but something happens to her which is one of the triggers to his spiral. Maybe he was with her when it happened and gets blamed for it? Or at least suspected.

Being that Patty is Bob's sister, maybe Hopper, Joyce, and Bob try to investigate the circumstances of her death and they get really close to the truth? Maybe they do discover the truth and they're the only ones that know because no one believed them.

Anyway, what happens to Patty was so terrible and Henry was so deeply affected that his dad decided they should move for a "fresh start" in a new house. This also affected him deeply and he had trouble adjusting.

When his dad wasn't looking, maybe his mother was still awful, which is another crack in the mirror.

When the nightmares started, his mom called Brenner on him and that was another trigger for him.

And thus, it all came crumbling down and he tried to kill his whole family.

I dunno. Guess this will be by bingo card and I'll cross off everything I got right when the play gets here.

All that to say, no one should be arguing and getting mad over all this. It's just a play. Yeesh.

#ask #Anonymous #stranger things

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I'm sorry to vent about something Owl House related again, I imagine you're getting sick of it by now, but

Maybe it's just cause I love Lilith, but the duel in Agony of a Witch kinda bothers me because it feels like it invalidates Lilith as an equal to Eda.

With Convention, it felt like Lilith, while often mocked, was Eda's equal. Their duel feels evenly matched, maybe with a slight edge to Eda because she plays dirty and Lilith doesn't, but in terms of sheer power they feel equal.

Then Agony of a Witch throws that out the window by showing that Eda is so much more powerful that she can be dying from her magic-draining curse and still kick Lilith's ass with no problem.

And I know it's satisfying to see a hero wreck a villain, but it has the side-effect of making Lilith no longer appear as a powerful character, which is made worse because her only "fights" from that point on are punching a racist (which is cool but not really "apex of arcane power") and getting one-shot by the Collector. Retroactively it takes Eda's relationship to Lilith from "plausible threat" to "Just humoring her"

and not to compare two bad bitches because I do love these shows, I think Amphibia did this better with King Andrias. Despite being knocked around on occasion, and having plenty of humiliating moments, Andrias retains his menace in part because he's never actually beaten by the heroes. At worst he gets blindsided before composing himself and returning to being terrifying.

I dunno, maybe I'm biased by I would've liked it if Lilith got to remain a badass instead of being reduced to just comic relief. Make her duel with Eda more even, and have Eda ultimately gain the upper hand through cheating, dirty tricks, and being more desperate

(I don't mind the TOH asks at all. No one has even asked about Willow yet somehow so to say there is so much more to talk about this show is an UNDERSTATEMENT. Honestly, I just wish people would also throw story concept pitches at me from time to time too so I can actually remind people that I do writing as well. XD Not that I expect to write those stories but just how would I handle them and what not.)

I think the problem is more that last paragraph you bring up than anything else. Mind you, I actually do agree that it would have been cool to see Eda's strengths being more in cheating and dirty tricks versus years of training and secret knowledge only able to be accessed by an EC coven head but… Man TOH just kind of pushes the idea that you're born gifted or not. There is no real inbetween in power for most people and that really sucks.

I don't think the fight in Agony of a Witch is bad though, mostly in that I see it more as the emotions Eda is channeling effectively is overclocking her. If Lilith could last even another minute, it wouldn't be the curse that beat Eda: It would be running out of magic. A candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long sort of thing which works well for the emotional climax that's supposed to be happening there. Narratively, it works well.

Also, while Lilith is the definitive loser there, she doesn't come off as weak. It just finally feels like we're getting to see what Eda could have been without the curse. Back in Covention, we see what she is because of it. Does that suck for how strong Lilith actually is? Yes but Eda is literally years younger than her and back in school this was the same case where Lilith could just see "Oh… I'm fucked because my sister is strong… For reasons." It works for S1's tone, leaning into issues with the fantasy genre honestly (but remember, Episode 2 said no chosen ones so shouldn't merit, you know… matter? How much effort you put in?) but…

Then we get to S2 and Lilith is FRUSTRATING for me in S2. She gets such a good first episode in S2 with handling no longer having magic, dealing with the loss of her place in the world, her ambitions shattered and making a new friend. She stumbles a bit during King's episode but hey, it's okay for a character to be comedic for one episode. And she get's to actually represent the curse in Affearances!… Before being a joke for the rest of the episode about mommy issues until she turns into the Owl Beast.

And then when we see her next she has fully transitioned into "Look at me! I'm as bad as Hooty! Take me seriously? DON'T YOU DARE!" And it is… awful. There's no two ways around it. People go "Oh, but it's returning to better days for he-" No. No it's not. Every single portrayal of young Lilith wasn't funny or about history or anything like that. She was a driven young girl who wanted to be the best witch she could. She wanted to be the top of the class. She took pride in her effort and success. She had ambition and was more serious than her sister.

And now she's a complete joke. A complete joke that claims to have been bad at her job, even though she seemed so happy anytime she was inspiring people, mentoring them, seemed more than competent if not just amazing. She was the head of the Emperor's Coven and she seemed to deserve that position.

And then they did literally nothing with her in regards to that. There is a slight nod to the concept of her wanting to strike back at Belos for the lies and damage he'd done to her but it's instead framed as just a prank and kindness to Eda. Because that Scrying Spell should have been the start of her real arc. Her wanting to get back at the man who wasted so much of her life and learning that devoting one's self to only a single goal is unhealthy no matter what.

Personally, I still wish Lilith had harnessed Luz's anger about the petrification, the coven system, Belos, etc. and helped her be a rebel LOOOONG before Hollow Mind. Trying to be her new mentor in how to take down Belos and possibly corrupting Luz with her own anger and fixations until something goes wrong and both are taught to be more reasonable. To actually lean on others. To not only fixations.

Or, I dunno, we could entirely ignore the fact that Belos tried to murder three of them and wants into the human realm and instead just focus on a bad but sad boy who's now a main character instead of the SISTER OF EDA AND NOW REDEEMED VILLAIN LILITH.

When people tell me more time would have made the show better, shit like this makes me go, "No," because the writers had no focus, no idea of how to actually follow up their plot or character hooks and it's just a complete, fucking mess.

A mess that makes me very sad because focus could have made it so much more amazing than it was. Could have made it rival Avatar. But I guess you wouldn't get "Cool Aunt Lilith" so who am I to complain?

#Lilith #TOH #Rambles

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Some thoughts on House S1

House was one of the first shows I really got into. Even from a young age, I had a soft spot for the comedic relief character that has a tragic backstory and doesn't want to let people get close for fear of being hurt again. Always a banger, rarely misses.

I was also waaaaaay too young to be watching, but watch it, I did. It was probably in its fourth season when I got into it? So, about 2009? Maybe 2008. So, I would've been around 10. That's some formative entertainment, right there.

I don't recall watching the show after it ended, so, this recent rewatch for the past week is the first time I've touched it since 2012. Really, I gave into temptation after seeing for the dozenth time tumblr's continued enthusiasm for it.

So, Season One.

I could recall the general plots of most of the episodes, sometimes could remember how some ended, sometimes just vaguely familiar. Considering how long it's been, it's still impressive how much has stuck with me.

God, I remember when I used to think Hugh Laurie was American. It's so funny growing up with Britcoms, not realizing that's him in stuff like Blackadder. I've always found Foreman's name funny because it's literally the same as Eric Foreman from That 70s Show.

I've always enjoyed the original team's dynamic: Foreman butting heads with House constantly, but only because they're so alike. Cameron wearing her heart on her sleeve, but also not afraid to try new things (the episode where she tries to persuade her coworkers by using their first names, and the way it works). Chase being so laid back, but he can get really opinionated at times, though, and adds nice conflict and contrast with the other two.

Cuddy and Wilson help balance out House's personality and antics so well. It's also interesting watching Wilson's more passive development, where we only get occasional updates. Like how he's at first happily, though strained, married, and then he's having casual lunch with one of the nurses, insisting that's all it is, and then spending time with House instead of his wife because his buddy needs the company and she's used to him being away. Then by the end of the season, his relationship is in the toilet.

With Cuddy, it's so hard to concentrate, because she's so damn pretty. The costuming department, wherever you are now, THANK YOU. Her attire is so on point, speaks volumes about her character, and is so aesthetically pleasing, and her office?? Is so gorgeous?? And is peak academia?? How are there not tumblr blogs solely dedicated to her outfits??

Truly, Cuddy's wardrobe for me is "God, I wish I had these clothes, these accessories!" But in reality, I dress like House. Well, I wear more plaid, but you get the picture.

A couple of highlights from this season; so, I only cried twice. Once during 1X10 and then 1X21. The former, with some of the best character development for Foreman, and how he goes from dismissing this poor woman to holding her hand as she dies of rabies, god DAMN was that a gut punch. Just, exquisitely done. And Three Stories, just as the audience puts it together that these are all very similar to what happened to House, BOOM, they reveal just exactly that: he's expressing his past trauma the only way he knows how, as a teaching moment. Just, I needed a moment after the episode ended, because it just makes you feel like shit. If you or someone you love has ever been misdiagnosed, or doctors have ignored your symptoms, or inadvertently made your condition worse, you know exactly how this feels. It's just so heartbreaking.

That bookending moment, with the season opening and closing with You Can't Always Get What You Want, is so good. The way it, again, socks you in the stomach by reframing the context of the song, showing how House and Stacy were it for each other, and still want one another, but they're bad together. House may be the One, but Stacy's husband is what she needs. Jesus fucking christ, this first season is so good.

Is it perfect? No. The writers are still getting to know these characters, and that's expected. But it's a really strong start, and is really great at looking at the many different facets of these characters very early on.

Fun little side note, despite having health related anxiety, this show doesn't freak me out. Maybe it's because it can be funny, maybe it's reassuring in how, no matter what's wrong with you, there's likely someone out there that can help. They may violate your privacy while they're at it, but they'll help you. It's oddly reassuring.

#house md #season one #rewatch thoughts #tv

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dd400 · 2 years

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Very long post.

So, you're telling me this all was queerbaiting and bad script? Ok, let’s assume.

I’ve noticed this special friendship of Mike and Will from the very beginning. From the first scene I knew already that I liked this couple and I wanted them to be romantic. But further I was absolutely sure that I watch completely standard story about boy meets girl etc, that I’ve watched many times. Therefore I didn't have a single doubt that Mike and El will be that standard couple. I didn’t come in social network to read fans opinions, I even didn’t know about existing the word “byler”, I didn’t watch the interviews with creators, I didn’t look for the deep meaning in the series, though I really loved it, rewatched it a few times, but I considered it just sci-fi show with horror and drama and comedy and whatever, I didn’t think about some hidden hints. And Mike-El relationship was actually cute in S1 and 2, I didn’t notice any tricks. But then came out the S3, and their relationship became something horrible. I really sincerely wanted to Milkvan the happy ending. But in the very first episode of S3 – what was that anyway? It doesn’t look at all like Mike wanted to stay longer with El, when she told him “I wish you were still here”. He was hurrying to go to the movie with his friends. I watched this scene from absolutely heterosexual point of view, not even thinking that he might be gay or might be in love with someone else. I just didn’t understand, what was this? And after they gave us an indistinct explanation like “I was jealous and wanted you all to myself”. It explained his conflict with Max, but it didn’t explain his behavior in 3x1. Ok, I’d just swallowed it and forgot about it. I decided to close my eyes to what happened in the last episode of S3: this kiss and weird Mike, I decided “whatever, I don’t understand what’s happening and I don’t care”. I’m not that person who think too much about the tv series. And now, came out S4, and I already forgot about all those weird things in S3, but now there are them again – and again some ABSOLUTELY INDISTINCT explanation: “I was afraid to lose you, so I couldn’t tell I love you”. What?? Ok, let’s say, Duffers don’t give a sht about Mike, Finn doesn’t give a sht about Mike, and I can forget about this misunderstanding again.

After watching the Vol.1 of S4 it became obvious that Will is in love with Mike, and I was sure it’s unrequited. But I'm left with the feeling that there's something wrong with this whole story. So I went to twitter to read what fans write about ST. And there I came across the post about byler, and then I had read some thoughts, then I went to tumblr and realized how many details I’ve missed because I never watched attentively. And then I started to rewatch the whole series, and in the past month I watched all the seasons twice. And I clearly saw that these details – they’re actually there, maybe not all of them, but the most, it’s not the fan imagination. And now you tell me it’s queerbaiting? But, see, I didn’t even notice these hints, if I’d never read tumblr posts. I saw only unrequited Will's love, awfully written love story of Milkvan, and, maybe, bad actor play by Finn (?). I saw the queerbaiting in Sherlock, klance (and I didn’t see a potential of klance canon), Teen Wolf, different anime; I didn’t watch the Supernatural, but I heard what happened there. Queerbaiting puts two guys side by side, makes cute scenes with them, screaming about their bisexuality. Queerbaiting assumes these hints are VISIBLE. But here in ST I did not notice anything. But now I see these hints – handpicked soundtracks, opened closets, constant comparison of relationships Mike+El and Mike+Will, their common and their contrast in the same time. However, these hints are not fcking noticeable. If this is queerbaiting, then too much effort has been put into it and into hide it.

Separately, I want to talk about Mike’s confession in Vol.2. Everything he said – it’s the repeating all that he had once said to Will! “Remember that day we met”, “I’m afraid to lose you”. If it’s queerbaiting, this is the most terrible, absolutely senseless and merciless.

Even if I forget about all that hinting, and be just casual viewer like I was earlier, I want to say – all milkven story since S3 is such a nonsense. I like the stories of Joyce and Hopper, Nancy and Johnathan, Nancy and Steve, Max and Lucas, but THIS – what is this??? I don’t believe not in ONE scene with Milkyway, it all looks FAKE.

And if we assume that Milkyvan – is actually bad script, then queerbaiting makes things even worse – it turns out that their relationship is total bullsht and it is entirely built on this queerbaiting and love triangle. I mean, it turns out Duffers are so dumb that are not able to write proper relationship development of Mike and El, but they decided to put their efforts to subtlest queerbaiting.

So, now you tell me, Milkvan – is true love and in S5 Mike and El will finally start normally TALKING to each other, and maybe even Mike finally start kissing her like he WANTS to kiss her, not like he just LETS her doing this? Or we have to admit that Finn is just not able to show romantic interest in Millie? Ok. Let’s see.

What I want to say, this puzzle will be gathered, if they’re doing byler endgame. And can we now unplug our disappointment about unrealized dreams and think? We didn’t know for sure about Will’s feelings in previous season. But we see it now, and still it is not said out loud on the screen. Why we even had hope that Mike’s feelings will be opened up too in this season? I still see a very slow burn. We knew that Mike loves El, whatever love this is. We knew that he cares about her very much, she means for him very much, he adores her, really. And i see Mike is trying to hold on to El, like his lifebuoy. That scene with the confession was terrible. I wanted to turn away because it was so painful. Will was standing next to him and hearing this. I felt like I’m dying. But I kept thinking and realizing that it was like he was talking all this to his friend who standed behind him, because he already said once this to him, and if my feeling is right, then it was painful not only for Will, but for Mike too, and I felt like he yelled it in desperation, but it was just not the whole truth.

With these thoughts and confused feelings I stay now in emptiness and delusion. So try to convince me, that it’s bad script and queerbaiting.

#Sorry for my bad English I hope the blood doesn’t flow from your eyes #byler #stranger things #byler is endgame #long post

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thekatebridgerton · 2 years

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The Prince’s triangle arc in S1 is what *should* have happened with Edwina if they were really going to do a triangle. He was interested in Daphne, but not really in love with her. He just thought she was pretty and that they would be compatible since they had similar values. When she said she was marrying Simon because she loved him, he stood down and wished her well. Book Edwina would’ve married Anthony if he asked because he was polite and rich, but was happy for him when he married someone he actually loved, who also conveniently happened to be someone she loved too and could relieve the pressure off of Edwina to marry for money.

I cannot stress this enough! This is what should have happened in s2. In the book we actually get an insight on how pressured Edwina feels for being her family's only hope for a better life. And how she's only trying to do the right thing to support her family by accepting Anthony's courtship.

This nuance got left out of s2 in favor of making Edwina look a little bit more like a social climber. And putting all the emotional toll of the family's situation on Kate who is all about 'protecting' their family

When in the book we get a scene that shows us that not only is Edwina aware of how much her family counts on her to support them after her marriage ( so she feels twice the pressure to marry well). But also how relieved she is that once Kate became a Viscountess that responsibility was no longer on her shoulders.

Prince Fredrich and book Edwina had that in common. Being rejected wasn't that painful because they weren't inlove, they just liked the person well enough and knew that they had other options.

I think that for all Charithra is good at her job showing all the emotions of her role. The show lost an opportunity to have a scene where Edwina simply expresses how scared she is of letting her family down and how she knows Mary and Kate are counting on her to make it big. Marrying well is the only thing she can do for them as a younger daughter. And she loves her family

I think that would have been a better motivation for Edwina to continue on with the courtship after the Sheffield's humilliating behavior at dinner rather than making Edwina fall inlove with Anthony.

Maybe having her mistakenly believe that it was all on her now that the Sheffield's dowry was off the table, she had to marry Anthony or someone equally well off to secure Mary and Kate's future. So She'd still say yes to Anthony's proposal and ignore Kate's feelings thinking that her sister was only looking out for her

I think that could have been an option

#bridgerton #edwina sharma #kate sharma #anthony bridgerton

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templeofshame · 1 year

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did you ever get around to fully finishing stranger things? what did you think of the ending? love hearing your Thots and Onions lol

To be honest my friend and I are waiting on the second half of the s4 finale until s5 is out. Yeah, that's weird, but I know most of what happens and it's mostly a bumner, so we haven't felt motivated to finish after she fell asleep mid-ep, and we got into Yellowjackets instead.

I do still have opinions though...

like I think Mike sucks this season and I don't buy him and El this season; they were so cute in the beginning but now they're all performative, lies and superheroes and I'm not sure he even sees her as a person, it's Very Important that El has people who care about her as a person and not as a magical deus ex machina. I do know he's gonna say he loves her like 6 times, I'm sure he believes it, I don't buy it.

I also feel like this season has a plot about trauma/survivor's guilt (via vecna/victims) and abuse (via el and a bit max) and I'm not sure very thoughtful about what it's saying about them. Forcing El to go work with her abuser, Max grieving hers, the relationship between Max and Nancy and El and others in terms of survivor's guilt... these are super complex interesting things that get barely touched on. And with Chrissy's apparent trauma seeming relatively mundane compared to what literally every major character has been through (and I forget what Patrick's is, is his name Patrick?), vecna's choices seem kinda weak. Maybe he says something in the second half but I'd rather them have all been dealing with survivor's guilt specifically.

I felt like the guitar scene was anticlimactic and weird for how much buildup eddie the guitarist had, and the plan seemed kinda bad? I guess it's harder for me to say how things should work though because the rules of the Upside Down have substantially changed since s1, like in this Upside Down Will and Barb could've just hid in someone's house with barely any tentacles, there seem to be lots of safe places.

What else... I think Jason was more worried about people thinking Chrissy was cheating on him than Chrissy's death. I think the jock death mob has vibes of that hyena episode of Buffy, and overall I think we could have a lot less of them (I like Lucas being caught in the middle but otherwise they're uninteresting). I wish Eddie was a little less musical theatre in that first scene, it just felt like he was in a totally different show than anyone else (possibly Rent, or Glee). The issues for Nancy & Jonathan feel very contrived and the show trying to throw Steve at Nancy is just annoying. There was no logical reason for her to date him twice, let again another time. Also could've done with less Hopper torture porn, like we get that it sucks. Similarly with the bullying, it's so over the top that it took me out of things rather than really hitting me. I think I've posted already about how the characterization of Robin changed so much and while she has great lines, it doesn't feel like her (and like is it because we know she's a lesbian now that she can't be snarky coolgirl anymore and has to be dorky mess?).

The positives! Love Argyle. The scenes with Will & Mike and Will & Jonathan are lovely heartstring pulls, so well done. (Will deserves better than Mike, but he's young and stupid so). I don't overall love how separate everyone is this season but for that setup, love the whole pizza freezer thing. I love Murray, I love Joyce&Hopper (even though irl I would 100% tell her not to touch a man with that much assault history with a 10-ft pole). Lucas finally gets material to work with and his acting has gotten so good! Running Up That Hill is obviously a great song. I am biased by fic but after that initial scene, I like Eddie and his face. I love the humor.

I'm probably forgetting a lot! I'm sure I'll be bummed about how only Dustin and Wayne seem to care about Eddie's death, and how much of the season was about protecting him just to have him die anyway. I'm sure I'll be annoyed they don't kill vecna. I'm sure I'll be worried about Max.

#stranger things spoilers

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