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bucketsofgiggles · 2 years
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shout out to Amphibia for, when one of the main villains feels regret and remorse for his actions and decides he’s done doing terrible things, A. also having him acknowledge that his past actions make him irredeemable and B. having the protagonist, who sees and hears the villain express regret and surrender, still land the finishing blow. King Shit 
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mothicalspoken · 2 years
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Grime, a history buff: Hey Beatrix, did you know Barrel the Brave had two lovers?
Beatrix: No way. Who?
Grime: There was a little pink frog… something like Stick or Flower or something along those lines?
Beatrix: Who else?
Grime: …You’re not going to believe me.
Beatrix: Tell me tell me TELL ME TELL M-
Grime: It was King Andrias.
Beatrix:.. WHAT.
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salad-storm · 2 years
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I LOVE YOU well written antagonists. Antagonists that are portrayed as such by the narrative but when you get to know them they're Just Some Guy. Antagonists that have never questioned their morals Until They Do. Antagonists that aren't antagonists. Antagonists that are literally just vibing. Antagonists with a complicated backstory that give logic to their doing but doesnt justify it. Complicated backstory that Does justify their doing. Antagonists that dont have a backstory and are portrayed as inherently evil except they're not. Antagonists where you think that they've got some crazy backstory but they're just inherently evil. Antagonists that admit they're not a good person but want to change. Ones that Dont want to change. Antagonist where you dont realise they are until it's too late. Antagonists that only become ones because the protagonist are convinced they are. Antagonists that seem absolutely insane and Are. Antagonists that seem absolutely insane but they're not. Antagonists that are ones until they're not. Antagonists that weren't always ones. Antagonists that stop being ones, maybe only for a short time. Antagonists that question the protagonists doing.
Calm ones. Crazy ones. Normal ones. Normal ones. I love you all.
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glacymash45 · 8 months
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So… I’m looking at Marcy’s Journel on Google books(because I sadly don’t have any money to buy it) and now I’m realizing that Marcy told Andrias the truth while they were playing a game(Spoilers ahead, really sorry).
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So yeah, probably have to change that to the next chapter and find something else for chapter 2.
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theskyexists · 9 months
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Also man...they dropped the ball so bad on not making Marcy BE THERE for doing all those horrible things..lucid but helpless.SHE COULD HAVE GAINED SO MUCH MORE TRAUMA!!! Almost stabbing Anne WITH HER OWN HANDS. almost killing Sasha. Responding in little ways to her friends or when the core reveals things she doesn't want it to.
Alternatively it would have been so cool if Darcy had been an actual corrupted Marcy.
So ok she gets nightmares, flashbacks to things she has no active memory of, which feel like her own but also decidedly not. Sometimes it's what Darcy did to her friends, sometimes it's weird and rarely helpful knowledge that she doesn't know the source of, which is an ironic twist, sometimes its memories of newts thousands years old, conquering and killing and ravaging other worlds. The Core has left its mark, an imprint. she doubts her own responses, thoughts, emotions - scared they're not her own.
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skyelights-xox · 2 years
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Theory Time Baby Myhearthasbeenseverelydamagedbythisepisode
If we're still doing Luz/Phillip comparisons...
What if the reason Belos eventually agreed to Luz's deal was because he saw himself in her when she said "I'd do anything to save the people I love"
He thought that he was "saving the people he loved" by trying to get rid of witches and demons and magic
and then When (I'm not saying "if" because I'm manifesting it shhh) we get that flashback to Phillip and Caleb to see how everything unfolded Phillip says the same thing to Caleb
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urisk-factor · 2 years
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Hmm AU that when Grime gets Barrel's Warhammer he also gets haunted by Barrel as well, and the entire time Barrel is mouthing off and complaining at Andrias in the background
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Streatney+, you agree
I agree so so so so so much
#its THEM. i thibk about them Constantly#its all just so deeply tragic#the way i wish so many of the things thst had happened hadnt happened#and yet very rarely can you actually fault anyone#and most pf the time when you can its all andrias‘ fault#like. when leif gets betweel strength and heart. awful. the start of the end. imagine what could have been if she hadnt#but at the same time. thats a perfectly readonable and fine boundary for her to have. shes allowed to have those boundaries as much as anyon#as anyone else.#nobody in that situation is at fault. its just a shitty situation.#leif (reasonably) expressed a boundary. heart (also reasonably) gets upset and tries ro deal with it in the only way they know how#and then every bullshit What The Fuck Heart thing they do is traced back to andrias. because how are they supposed to know any better#sure they’re incredibly smart but when all the things theyre learning come from *him*. when hes the ONLY person theyre learning from….#sorry bestie i turned ur streartney+ post into heart angst THEM#AND THE WAY WITNEY GETS TREATED SOBS#everyone is SO mean to her for NO reason. dhes just baby guys how xould they be mean to her shes so BABY#HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH#you know in a way i think witney is sadder than heart because of like. like sure heart has never experinces happiness before but.#because witney HAS. that means she has something to compare the pain and misery to. she knows what shes missing out on where heart doesnt#THEYRE SO TRAGIC BESTIE IT IS 9AM I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR THIS#Tree Man Posts#asks#wjh#streartney+#funniest ship name ever tbh#like oh you wanna add an extra person to your ship? but cant add their name in? boy have i got the product for you… PLUS SIGN
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dduane · 25 days
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In the TIL (Thematically Peripatetically) dep't
In the classic British war movie Ice Cold in Alex, one character who blames himself for a drinking problem that may have cost someone else their life declares he's not going to take another drink until he and the people fleeing across the African desert with him can sit down and have "an ice cold lager in Alex[andria]." This promise he keeps.
The interesting part lies in how the promise plays out on film.
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A background issue (from the production standpoint) of what makes this scene so interesting is that it's always hard to get any scene right in just one take. There were apparently a fair number of takes on this shot.
The producers apparently tried hard to substitute something non-alcoholic for the beer, but this proved impossible, as there was no way to fake the head. So they used real beer.
John Mills, professional that he was, drank them one after another in multiple takes. As a result, co-star Sylvia Syms describes him as having been "a little heady" when they were done with that scene.
Another less problematic problem (as such things go...) was that the novel by Christopher Landon on which the film was based has the actors drinking a US beer called Rheingold... which the producers ruled out. They they felt there was no way the characters would willingly be drinking a German (or German-sounding) beer after being pursued across North Africa by the Afrika Korps. So Carlsberg was substituted.
...And it's at this point that things start to veer. @petermorwood was telling me about this, some of which I knew... but not about the Rheingold.
"Really?" I said. "You're kidding me!"
"Why?" he said.
At which point I did what any New Yorker of a certain age might very likely do under such circumstances: I burst into song. (And frankly, because you don't need to hear me doing that, here are the Golden Girls doing it.)
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Rheingold was the best-selling beer in the New York metropolitan area, and apparently in New York state as well, at least partly due to numerous aggressive advertising campaigns on radio and then on TV. That jingle was known, in many permutations—including one in 6/8 time that appears in this stop-motion-animated commercial—by lots and lots of people.
Including me. So I sang it (at least some of it: I couldn't remember the final couple of stanzas) and Peter and I looked at each other in mild bemusement. "You think your mind's full of useless garbage," I said, "try mine sometime!" And we laughed and went back to whatever we'd been doing.
Out of curiosity, I then went over to YouTube to see (as I sometimes do) whether I was anywhere near the original key of the best-known version of the jingle while singing. Turns out I was pretty close. But along the line, I stumbled across the blog of a retired librarian who clued me in on something startling:
That jingle's music was ripped off, in whole cloth, from a French composer... whose authorship is apparently routinely obscured by the name of the music's (possibly better-known?) arranger.
Here it is, and apparently misattributed as above, in full classical glory: the Estudiantina Waltz. (Warning: the main chorus is a bit of an earworm, and you may not be able to get rid of it easily. I know I won't be, for the day anyway...)
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...So that's the local installment of Today I Learned. May yours (if you have one) be way more useful and interesting. :)
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Meaningless Suffering ≠ Consequences: An SPOP Rant Analysis
so one huge argument i've seen from SPOP fans, when it comes to Catra's redemption is that “she got tortured and mind controlled by Horde Prime. she almost died at his hands. therefore, she faced the consequences of her actions.”
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now.. could this be considered a consequence of her actions? the important question here is: why did Catra get punished by Prime? for going against his rules and freeing Glimmer. she got punished for doing one good thing. this was the consequence of her doing something right. if anything, she would be more discouraged to do good in the future, because the first time she does something good, she almost gets murdered for it.
but i digress. i've seen this trope be used with quite a few characters in media. the other example of this i want to talk about is Marcy from Amphibia. (spoilers for Amphibia below)
in the s2 finale, Marcy is revealed to have stranded her friends Anne and Sasha on Amphibia on purpose, because she didn't want to be alone. while this wasn't as bad as any of the shit that Catra pulled, it was still a fucked up thing to do. Marcy deliberately took Anne and Sasha away from their home and their parents, for her own selfish reasons.
like Catra, Marcy also has abandonment issues. her parents had informed her that they had to move and Marcy was terrified at the idea of having to leave Anne and Sasha behind. but that was still not an excuse for what she did.
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not long after her secret was exposed, Marcy gets stabbed by King Andrias while trying to escape Amphibia. she doesn't die, of course, it's still a kid's show.
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but to make things worse, she gets possessed by the Core later on, which is shown to be an extremely painful and traumatizing process (which they barely touch upon later). and then they show in a flashback that Anne and Sasha used to ignore Marcy and make her feel lonely, when this was not touched upon earlier in the series. in fact, Anne was shown to be very caring and attentive to Marcy up until this episode.
at this point, it's clear that the writers are trying to make the viewers feel sorry for Marcy. if they keep adding reasons why she's so miserable and traumatized, maybe the viewers would forget what she did to Anne and Sasha. right?
there is a small scene in s3 where Sasha questions why she should forgive Marcy, but it is quickly fixed by Anne telling Sasha that she should forgive Marcy. there's also a moment of realization for Marcy but even that is done in such a cliché and lighthearted manner, where the severity of her actions aren't addressed. and that's it. Marcy is rescued, she apologizes, and is immediately forgiven.
but then again, like SPOP, the last season of Amphibia was trashfire. i refuse to believe that people genuinely liked that season, it was so badly written and ruined everything that was set up prior to it.
anyway, let's come back to SPOP. it's clear that the writers of SPOP were also trying to do the same thing. put poor catgirl through the wringer, have her almost die and come back to life and voila! she is absolved of all her crimes.
for those of you who are still not convinced, let me try to make a real world comparison. let's just say i'm someone who bullies or abuses people. one day while getting home from school/work, i get hit by a car. i get grievously injured and go through a lot of pain. heck, maybe it even leaves some kind of permanent disability or injury.
is that a punishment for my actions? you can call it karma, but let's be real, karma doesn't exist. it's just a coincidence. and you bet i'm not going to wake up in the hospital thinking “this must be my punishment for abusing people”. if i really am an abuser who has no remorse for my actions, a random accident isn't going to change my mind.
and that's what happened with Catra too. she didn't consider Horde Prime's torture as a consequence of her actions. if anything, she used that as an excuse to mistreat Adora and the others even more. it's clear that she pitied herself for what happened. and everyone else pitied her, including the audience.
imagine if the good redemption arcs were written this way. imagine if, instead of working through his issues and facing actual consequences of his actions, Zuko was just tortured and traumatized even more by Ozai, and the Gaang just forgave him because they felt bad for him. yeah, people wouldn't be praising his arc anymore. or they would, who knows. i know i wouldn't be praising his arc.
because this is not the way to redeem a villain. the only way to redeem a villain is to have them face consequences of their actions and work for forgiveness. to show them consistently trying to make up for what they did and trying to be a better person, not because they want to be forgiven or accepted by the heroes, but because it's the right thing to do.
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If Danny Phantom came out today, what themes and topics do you think the show would tackle?
I think it would be quite a lot like The Ghost and Molly Mcgee and the direction A Glitch in Time is trying to take.
In character i think Danny would be pretty similar, but there would be a lot more emphasis in how he doesn't know to which world he belongs- to the human, ghost or both. There would be more exploration about how he doesn't feel like he fits in, if already had trouble with being unpopular in school, he now feels like a complete freak being a human/ghost hybrid. In some episodes he sides more with humans and in other episodes he sides more with ghosts.
I think there would be themes from the original show like self acceptance, responsibility and learning to rely on others when you need help but we would get to see more of why x character acts this way and the reasons behind it.
One character i believe he would have a quite different take would be Vlad Masters. He would have a lot more development and we would get flashbacks of his relationship with Jack and Maddie before and after the accident. Think of something like King Andrias from Amphibia except with more screentime. Another thing that would be different is his relationship with Danny. I think he would have episodes he has to work together with him and Danny gets to know him better. He would have moments he shows to care about Danny and protects/saves him. He would be less..extreme in some way but he would still be terrible.
I know i like to talk about Danny and Vlad's relationship a lot, but, honestly? If there was a reboot nowadays, their relationship would be one of the most interesting things in the show or one of the main things that drives it.
The series could explore things like dying a leaving things behind with more freedom. Ghosts that didn't take the opportunity to do x thing when they were alive and/ or find themselves stuck in the past. Maybe Danny starts hating ghosts at the start of the show and over time starts to see there are good and bad ghosts, a lot more balanced than is in the original series.
If Dan were to become canon in the series, i think Danny would have a sort of corruption arc that bit by bit you see him taking a darker path and closing off from people that care about him. It would be something gradual until it gets revealed that Dan is what he could become in the future.
That itself is a lot more interesting than just having Dan show up in one episode and barely being used again after that. It adds potential for character conflict and development.
Characters like Sam and Tucker would have their own episodes that develop and change. Maybe we would get to see more of their families and what goals they have outside of helping Danny. They are fun characters but in the series they usually struggle be to be their own people.
Jack and Maddie would be... better handling things than they do in the series. I believe they would pay more attention to Danny coming back late and getting injured. They wouldn't be leave lying ghosthunter machinery around. It's possible the narrative would be a lot more critical of them hating ghosts and talking about dissecting ghosts in front of their kids. Hell, it wouldn't be out of place if Danny had an arc he started to live with someone else until his parents realize their mistakes and Danny feels comfortable enough to go back to them. Here is another thing for interesting potential relationships conflict.
As for final antagonist, it could either be Dan or The Guys in White. However, i would prefer that Vlad stayed as main antagonist for a good part of the show until someone else could take that role.
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azure-firecracker · 2 years
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This has been said before but I cannot stress enough how right it is that Sasha’s the one to free Marcy’s body.
Sasha’s entire arc is about learning that loving people doesn’t mean controlling them, that even if you think you know what’s best, you don’t have to take away other peoples’ agency. It’s learning that she doesn’t need to be powerful or in charge for her friends to love her, she just has to be herself and listen to them. It’s about giving up control and knowing that she’s worth caring for anyway. It’s about understanding other people’s free will and being okay with it, even if it makes her feel less important.
Sasha defeating Darcy was in response to what Darcy was doing to Andrias, and freeing him from that control, but in the same moment, she’s giving Marcy back her agency. The agency she took from her, as a friend, so many times, and now, at the end of her arc, she’s the one who restores that agency.
It’s perfect.
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mdhwrites · 2 months
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Andrias vs. Collector: Who Was Redeemed Better?
Andrias hands down. Not only is it helped IMMENSELY by character consistency with him but it actually functions with what we know of him. Despite literally only ever getting half an episode dedicated to him (he doesn't actually get a lot more screentime than The Collector, especially while as a villain) we understand his motivations, the reasons for his cruelty, why Marcy made him cold and annoyed every time she was even mentioned post True Colors (he did not enjoy torturing Marcy. The literal only claim there is one line from True Colors where he blames her but otherwise, Marcy is fridged SPECIFICALLY to give someone for Andrias to show regret about) and then when shown how far he had fallen from the good man he was, he goes ahead and tries to fix that. First a final act of heroism but then not asking for forgiveness or the like. He is too guilty to need, or perhaps even want, such things and he instead can try to put things right on his own. In the end, we are left with the impression that Andrias WILL continue to tend to Amphibia now until the day he finally dies. It's actually done pretty well for the fact that it's given such little direct attention, especially by the time he's supposed to start being redeemed.
Meanwhile, the Collector's arc only works if you ignore large swaths of the show. His redemption mostly comes down to the idea that he needs to learn morality and that other people can be hurt by his actions but... He already did. In Watching and Dreaming, he yells at Belos controlled Raine specifically about how King will hate him for the nightmares, showing that he understands that his actions can upset people. In S2B, he talked about wanting to play with bones and criticized Belos for potentially murdering the Grimmwalkers, kind of opening up a moral conversation about the nature of Belos' treatment of them while showing his knowledge of death.
Even if we believe he didn't know these things and try to say he was manipulated, we can't. Belos' goal was extremely explicit and back when he was Philip, he had no reason to lie to the Collector. A spell to kill all witches in return for your freedom was the deal. That's pretty damn evil and the Collector could have always said no but instead he's EXCITED for them to be dead in Hollow Mind. All that matters to him then is his freedom, screw anyone else. Then when he is freed, he has neither the archivists or Belos to push him around and tell him what to do. As such: Why the fuck did he make the hunting stars? You know, the roaming stars that turn people automatically into puppets, rendering them to a fate worse than death as they are conscious and aware of what's going on, even as they are entirely incapable of doing anything about it. They are still around MONTHS later. Hexside literally keeps watch for them. If he is just a little guy, why the fuck did he make those in the first place and why are they still around?
None of this is ever addressed though. Instead, the show spends a quarter of its finale, and a decent chunk of the special before it, focusing on trying to redeem him and show him off as a good guy while not having him actually acknowledge the awful, terrible things he did. There's no taking of responsibility like with Andrias. There is no proper refusal of his morality or change in his thinking. Even his attempt to make peace with Belos is flawed because it's still the same all or nothing thinking that we've seen up until now for the Collector. "I do X, I get friend." It's not actually an acknowledgement that other people are complex and have their own free will, it's just a new form of trying to easily get what he wants. Then after her turns people back, which is good, he just leaves. He doesn't do anything to actually make up for what he did or allow him to face a world that he has irrevocably damaged. Instead, he abandons it all. All that responsibility and guilt can just be left behind instead of actually worked on. How is that a show of what he learned? Of him rejecting how he was before? Of him being REDEEMED?
It makes it much less an arc and more something we're told. At least when Andrias powers down to make Anne's final punch on him more effective, we have seen his regret. We have seen his motivations. We have seen as one is pushed into his face and the other torn down. Then we get to see him act on it, allow his conquest to fail, as a willful decision to back down from that evil rather than double down. Then we see follow through with him in the timeskip where he is still simply trying to make up for his sins, even if no one will ever tell him his work is done.
We don't get anything like that with the Collector and that's why he will always be easily worse to me.
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acetone4veins · 19 days
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Mean Girls + Quotes Part 2
Find part 1 here
More quotes that remind me of mean girls characters and their various relationships :)
Regina
"i became bitter and untouchable. i craved affection but even the mere thought of someone caring made my stomach turn."
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"i have survived everything but i fear that i cannot survive myself."
Cynthia Chapman
"was i raised without love? or was i born unlovable?"
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"am i lonely because no one cares, or am i lonely because i'm not strong enough to let anyone get close enough to care?"
Rob Hill Sr.
"of course i look angry all the time. my entire life i've been fighting a war. i am soaked in pain and sadness. the irony however, is that i'm not actually angry, i'm trying to learn how to be happy. and that in itself is a war."
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Cady
"i thought - i want to go home. i want to be in a place that feels like home. where that was, i did not know."
Katie Kitamura
"i understood myself only after i destroyed myself. and only in the process of fixing myself did i know who i really was."
Sade Andria Zabala
“do you ever wonder where you took a wrong turn? where your life became the exact opposite of what you wanted it to be?”
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"i have always tried to make a home for myself, but i have not felt at home in myself."
Jeanette Winterson
Janis
"of course i'm angry. do you have any idea how many times someone should have helped me?"
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"hurt an artist and you'll see masterpieces of what you've done."
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"i don't feel guilt at being unsociable, though i may sometimes regret it because my loneliness is painful."
Susan Sontag
Gretchen
"what a sick little head, your love always turns into obsession."
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"i don't think people love me. they love versions of me i have spun for them, versions of me they have construed in their minds. the easy versions of me, the easy parts of me to love."
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“i only know how to exist when i’m wanted.”
Mary Lambert
"i don't want to beg. i know you can feel it, my longing, the aching, my need for love. i don't want to beg. but oh god - oh god, please. please. love me. love me."
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"for once i need to choose myself, or else i'm going to lose myself."
Veronika Jensen
Karen
“i believe in some blending of hope and sunshine sweetening the worst lots. i believe that this life is not all; neither the beginning nor the end. i believe while i tremble; i trust while i weep.”
Charlotte Brontë
Regina and Janis
"longing, how soft a word for such a ravenous feeling. how we hunger in silence."
Pavana
"dig your teeth into me. come on, i dare you. take a bite. open me up; raw and candy floss pink on the inside. make it hurt. i figure, you're going to hurt me one way or another. might as well be with your mouth."
Ashe Vernon
"i don't know what to do without you, i don't know where to put my hands."
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"you are the knife i turn inside myself; that is love."
Franz Kafka
"i love you and i always will and i am sorry. what a useless word."
Ernest Hemingway
Regina and Cady
"i love you. i love you unconditionally. i loved you even in my ignorance. i loved you when i didn't even know. i just love you."
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"and on some days, i wish our paths had never crossed because you don't know how heartbreaking it is to know that someone like you exists in this world and i cannot have you."
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“i must have you exclusively, fiercely, possessively.”
Henry Miller
"i still haven't figured out how to sit across from you, and not be madly in love with everything you do."
William C. Hannan
“fuck my pride. fuck everything. i’m so desperately hungry for you.”
Henry Miller
Gretchen and Karen
"the way our fingers intertwine feels so natural and right; as if our hands hold memories of meeting in a thousand other lifetimes."
John Mark Green
"when i think of life, i think of you. when i think of love, i think of you. safe to say that i really like thinking about life with you."
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"come on, dance with me. the earth is spinning. we can't just stand on it."
Dino Ahmetovic
Regina and Gretchen
"i suffer in my loving, and you know it."
Willa Cather
"i loved you to the point of ruin. i loved you until my lungs were filled with ash."
Tina Tran
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hughjidiot · 5 months
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How Marcy Could Have Been Used in Season 3
Once again I'm here to rant about what it my mind is the single biggest storytelling flaw of Amphibia and how I feel like things could have been done differently.
So there's a small but vocal portion of the fandom that insists Marcy always saw Amphibia as a game and the inhabitants as NPCs. Thinking about this gave me an idea on how the show could have actually used Marcy in season 3 rather than just having her be in a coma and later possessed: have her be rescued, join up with the resistance and see firsthand all of the destruction that Andrias has visited upon Amphibia and how that's affected the lives of its people. Give Marcy a moment of being like "This is my fault. I was the one who helped Andrias get the music box fully charged. All of this is because of me..." Then have Marcy resolve to help make things right by aiding in the rebellion.
Not only would this have helped dispel the "Marcy only saw Amphibia as a game" mischaracterization, but it then could have been used for a personal arc between her, Anne and Sasha. Maybe have Anne and Sasha insist that Marcy stay back and out of danger because after what happened in True Colors they can't stand the thought of losing her again. But Marcy keeps putting herself out there because she not only feels responsible for Andrias getting the Calamity Box, but she also refuses to let Anne and Sasha be the only one to risk their lives when she was the one who brought them to Amphibia in the first place.
This would also appease the small section of the fandom that was upset that Marcy "never got to adventure with her girls." While I can understand why the show didn't do that so as not to reward Marcy's initially selfish behavior that landed the three of them in Amphibia, it's different in this hypothetical season 3 because now Marcy would be actively fighting to rectify her own mistakes, rather than just going on fun adventures for the sake of adventuring.
Personally I think something like this would have been a much better route for Marcy instead of having her in a coma and possessed for 90% of season three. What do you think?
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ladywren7 · 4 months
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Nothing will EVER make me recover from King Andrias's "Now look what you made me do." as he stabs Marcy.
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