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epickiya722 · 1 year
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I always hear ppl say stuff abt how horrible Ms Kacchan was, how Izuku was tormented by him.
But the thing is that we never really saw it happen, or does the little that we saw really indicate that. And i kinda want to explain why
So, as of the two times that Katsuki himself admited the reason why he has bullied Izuku, one of the major things that drove him to do it, was so Izuku would leave him alone. Acting alongside his fear, and his inferiority complex.
His plan was for Izuku to fade away from his life, to stop affecting him the way he did, ever since he saw what "Deku" started to represent in young Katsuki's head. He wanted his bullying to push him away as far as possible.
But Izuku, ever the mr. "Never give up" guy, continued to chase after him, bc it has never been in his interest to stop being Katsuki's friend. Being close to his symbol of victory. So he had to continue to act like that, until Izuku got the message that he didn't want him close anymore, that he didn't want him standing in his way.
By the pieces of dialogue from the two guys that hung about with Katsuki, that was a time he reacted badly, and more outlandishly than he normally would. And if we even look back at that time, when the class was making fun of Izuku, he didn't laugh.
He didn't find it funny that he had to be presented with anything that would bring out his fear again. That was an actual serious matter for him, specially bc Izuku was planning to apply to the same school he wanted to go, to the same course no less.
If you want to consider that one manga for the HR movie to be canon too, their day to day lives in MS seemed to be basically Katsuki ignoring him, though occasionaly acting like a jerk.
He wanted to push Izuku away, not around. Bc he wanted most of all, for those feelings to not be a problem for him anymore.
Honestly, yeah, I agree with all this.
Katsuki, although a jerk, I have major doubts he actually enjoys being one.
This is why I pay attention to details because as you said, running back to season one, you can see Katsuki not laugh at Izuku. You would think he would, but he doesn't. If anything, he looks guilty and sad.
I think that was a point of Katsuki's life when he's trying to figure out why he acts the way he does around Izuku, why he doesn't want him around. Of course, he figures it's because "I hate him and he looks down on me". At that time, he probably subconsciously (?) was wondering there had to be more to it. Then, UA happened. His environment and people changed.
While I'm sure his middle school class found him unpleasant, no one ever really told him as such.
The most they have done was say "Hey, Katsuki, that was too far" about the swan dive comment.
At most, all Katsuki ever did was when he did see Izuku, he pushed him and called him names. But I don't think he actively seek him out to bother him. Katsuki was a bully, but I don't think he was a bully to search for someone to bother them all the time.
The only time in middle Katsuki did seek him out was after he found out Izuku was applying to UA. Again, as you said, he wanted to push Izuku away.
By that point, Izuku while he still cared about Katsuki, still idolized him, doesn't follow him. Let alone talks to him. He left Katsuki alone. I don't think he followed him around in middle school. Elementary school years, yeah. But middle school? Doubt it.
If he did, Katsuki would have known Izuku was applying to UA. Izuku would have told him if he wanted to. But, as I said in another post, he doesn't push Katsuki to acknowledge him or be nicer to him. He distanced himself.
Overall, yeah, Katsuki bullied Izuku to push him away. Said so himself. He was afraid of losing him. Izuku sometimes thinks before he acts, he's too selfless and careless. So he took the choice to drive him away before he can lose him.
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sweetescapeartist · 1 year
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What are you thoughts on GT Goku, GT Vegeta, GT Bulma, GT Krillin, GT Gohan and GT Chi-Chi?
GT Goku: Its dumb that he was wished into a becoming a child for most of the series. And what's dumber imo is that he even behaves like a child for most of it because the writers wanted to recapture Goku as a kid again. His personality as SSJ4 is cool & I think thats why ppl like SSJ4 so much. Its a huge physical and mental contrast to what we see GT Goku as most of the time. And that contrast makes people like it because it makes Goku an adult again who takes things more seriously but also is a bit careless as he shows off his strength. Ya know, like Goku was in DBZ. Its a return to what we wanted. (But those are just my thoughts.)
GT Vegeta: From what I can remember, I actually like him a lot. He feels like he progressed after the End of Z when he was more laid back. But I didn't like how much of a background character he was at first, then they rehashed Majin Vegeta with Baby Vegeta (rehashed Saiyan Saga Oozaru Vegeta a bit too). Then I think he just gets beat up by Hellfighter 17 after that. He wasn't really useful until the end and even then there wasn't much. I dont think the writers knew what to do with him since he was a calmer Vegeta. Also, how he gets SSJ4 doesn't bother me. He needed to be exposed to certain rays of light or energy, so Bulma created a means to expose him to that. The part I disliked was that he turned Golden Oozaru then pretended to be out of control & attack Goku. Why? Why play around at this point? And since he has always had control over his Oozaru form, why was he a Golden Oozaru for any amount of time longer than less than 10 seconds? He should've turned SSJ4 almost immediately. Another thing I didn't like was him crying about losing another home (this may be a English dub only thing). It makes sense for Vegeta to be upset about Earth being destroyed, but he didn't care for his home planet at all nor did he care about his own race. He wouldn't miss Planet Vegeta. And if he did care about that stuff, why didn't he talk to the growling Nappa that came back to life? He just kills him again. I don't think the writers knew what they wanted to do with him and kinda made a mess. A small mess, but still a mess. They didn't know if they wanted Vegeta to be stoic, caring, unfeeling, ect.
GT Bulma: I honestly don't recall much about her. She was okay from what I remember. Seems like she was relegated to a background character like others were. Being a background character works for some due to their personality, but it doesn't work for all. Like Tien. He works as a background character but he is more interesting as a foreground character. Same goes for Piccolo because both are stoic. But Bulma? She is Miss Personality. Not to mention she is a genius and could be involved in all of the adventures of GT. But they divided Bulma's characteristics into Pan, Trunks, Bra, & Marron then put Bulma in the background.
GT Krillin: Was used as a background character for most of GT, so his death wasn't impactful to me despite me being a Krillin fan. Plus the way his family treated him was terrible and out of character. They just killed Krillin for "nostalgia" reasons & it was sloppily done. His deaths mattered so much before in DB & DBZ because he was in the story and active and built relationships with other characters. GT didnt do any of that so his death felt cheap & forced. It was essentially turning Krillin into a random background character that is being shown for 2 minutes in about 5 episodes. The anime staff at that time weren't very good at character portrayal nor knew how to involve characters.
GT Gohan: He was okay but was also placed in the position of background character but not as much as Krillin was. He could have been used much more. Like him going with Goku on space adventures as they said he was going to do, and Gohan doing a little something against the Shadow Dragons (specifically Omega Shenron) would have been nice. Also, his relationship with Piccolo was kinda non existent unless you remember their friendship from DBZ. That could've been shown more during the Baby Saga.
GT Chi-Chi: I honestly don't remember much of her. But if my memory is right, she was shown more than Krillin. I remember she thought SSJ4 Goku was handsome. I think its more so because Goku was in an adult form again. Idk... Not much I have to say about her.
The problem with GT imo was that if you weren't named Goku or you weren't a Saiyan, then you got pushed to the background. The problem with Super imo was that if you weren't named Goku or Vegeta, you got pushed to the background but not as much as GT did to non-Saiyans.
One reason DBZ is still better than GT & DBS is that other characters did things. They were involved in the story in some sort of way. This is why I dislike GT & the DBS manga so much (DBS anime handles non-Saiyan characters better). GT & the DBS manga really push everyone to the side besides the Saiyans, but more specifically if they aren't Goku & Vegeta. Not to mention how OOC they make certain characters. But in the DBS manga's case, most characters are OOC (even Goku & Vegeta at many points).
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cutemeat · 2 years
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Dennis and Dee don’t just “talk about sex” and crazy people interpret it as them wanting to bang, there are literally deliberate sexual innuendos put into most of their interactions. It’s not delusional, it’s part of the plot. You can’t deny certain aspects of the canon just to make yourself feel comfortable. In one of the deleted scenes from ‘Franks back in business’ Dennis literally says “I’m going to get you off in ways no brother ever should.” Nobody is saying “it’s ok bc they’re all bad people” they’re just acknowledging the facts.
ok i understand where ur coming from, but i have seen that deleted scene too and didnt take it as dennis WANTING to bang his sister?? cuz we know he’s not talking about physically getting her off himself and therefore the joke to me isn’t ‘oh he has sexual feelings for his sister!! isnt that taboo isnt that Crazy!’ .. no, cuz we have watched the episode so we know the Joke is that dennis has been saying this all day but the real punchline is how he doesn’t even REALIZE how his comment will come across to outsiders in a weirder and more sexualized way than he intends. That is the joke!! so yes it is an innuendo, but it is reflecting the lack of awareness that is often the source of humor for the gang since it’s a cringe comedy thing. it’s not reflecting that dennis actually has sexual feelings for dee. and there’s the scene that made it in to the ending of Frank’s Back in Business that tells the same joke (so presumably why they took that other scene out, cuz it got repetitive) where dee and dennis are having that whole screaming match about “getting off” in a room full of people and just have Zero awareness that to strangers it’s coming off like he was going to bang his sister LOL.
like ik there’s nothing i can do or say to make people stop writing deedennis shit or shipping it, it’d be a waste of time to try to do so cuz that just doesn’t work. so whatever. but i don’t think it’s really as “canon” as people try to play it off as lol.
like i’m just done with this shit. just own up to the fact that you (i mean ‘you’ in the broader sense cuz idk u personally anon) wanna see the brother n sister bang cuz it’s taboo or whatever n i can’t stop you. but it’s ridiculous to act like it’s “canon”… again most of the humor of this show comes from this group of people not being aware of how they are coming off to everyone else or just straight up not caring.
dennis screaming “I AM NOT BANGING MY SISTER!” to a room of complete strangers probably left a lot of said strangers thinking “huh weird that someone would deny something like that… i bet he IS banging his sister!” but they lack the further context which is frank continually making his own child uncomfortable by sexualizing the relationship between him and sister (which also leads me to believe this is not the first time frank has done this, and we see him do it again in s11) and so dennis snaps, understandably. Like when Frank says shit like that it’s not cuz he is Onto Something it’s because he can’t fathom a boy and a girl being close to each other without wanting to fuck each other. that just speaks to something wrong with HIM. it’s not saying he’s right, in fact it’s so fucking inappropriate especially as their FATHER?? so again.. that’s where the ‘wow these are horrible people!’ joke comes in. it’s not just debauchery for the sake of being debauched lol.
but people who ship deedennis play it off that everyone else is just ignoring what they say are ‘signs’ or definitive evidence and that people should simply accept it cuz it just comes with the territory of watching The Bad People Show so all the ships are bad!! but i just don’t think that’s accurate and is a fucking dishonest way to frame it because that’s really not the whole truth. yes all the ships and relationships in sunny are dysfunctional in their own ways, that doesn’t mean you should get to uncritically ship fucking incest and just never have your intentions questioned. this is not just an ‘’unhealthy ship’’ it is Incest!!! yes, it’s undeniable the twins have a poor understanding of boundaries and operate at a different level of comfort than other people raised in healthier or more conservative environments might be used to, but i don’t think that means they have ever genuinely wanted to fuck each other. so i don’t think it’s cherrypicking or just a case of being in denial for the sake of comfort that me or anyone else feels uncomfortable with deedennis or question it when said deedennis fans say ‘well … but.. but its CANON!!!’ because people who give these examples like to strip them of any possible nuance or context outside of being Clear Evidence that two siblings want to fuck each other. they are twisting these interactions to only go one way and presenting it as analytical fact and them being “rational” while everyone else is just ‘uncomfortable with the truth’ (so it uh… doesn’t surprise me that people who favor these kinds of arguments are big fans of the twins 😁😁)
and i know people will say this is just cuz i ship macden or say i’m hypocritical because i ship macden.. but personally i take Dennis’ chemistry with Mac as something much more genuinely sexually charged than with DEE?? and especially in season 15 it seems through callbacks to the shows own jokes/criteria for a will-they-wont-they that there is a deliberate set up between Mac and Dennis to be a romantic couple. there is none of that between Dennis and Dee. again, to me the kind of stuff that deedennis shippers read as ‘sexual chemistry’ is a result of both of them being sexualized by their own father and their own internalizations of that shit that makes them both confused about how to handle being close to someone of the opposite sex even if they are your sibling. not as genuine sexual/romantic tension, again they are fucking traumatized which inherently warps your brain and ability to have normal relationships. like i just don’t see what people mean when they act like there’s all this undeniable sexual chemistry between the twins. cuz trust me i’ve watched the show, watched it the first first/second times thru without any real macdennis bias, and just haven’t picked up on there being that strong of a sexual/romantic tension between dee and dennis. like i just don’t lol. like when people say that shit all i can picture in my head is Frank saying that kind of shit and how upset it makes his kids and how damaging it has been to their relationship.
again people talking about these things At All isn’t what makes me uncomfortable but the fact is that just discussing the twin’s relationship or these aspects of it are often not what a lot of people are actually doing or have done when talking about dee and dennis. and that’s really the thing i take issue with, people who sexualize/romanticize their relationship past the point canon even has. like idk what else to tell ppl.. this isn’t flowers in the attic bro.
like in my own experience w my siblings we have made jokes before abt situations that probably looked or sounded Rlly weird to anyone on the outside. for example, around christmas time my sister was using some ribbon left over from a gift to tie our brother’s hands together cuz he was saying he’d be strong enough to break free and like halfway thru tying his hands up we were all like “oh my god this whole situation would look so weird if someone were to come over here right now” and with the best timing ever like 5 seconds later our mom looked over and was like “what the hell is going on right now 😧😧” and then we all laughed abt it. i bet you $100 if we were characters on a show there’s a bunch of people who would read something like that as Real sexual tension when it isn’t LOL. cuz to me a lot of ‘innuendo’ moments between dennis and dee is just shit like that but without the self-awareness (and their lack of awareness makes it funnier to an audience watching for that type of “cringe comedy”)
overall, i am just saying that perhaps their relationship and those types of interactions between them are not as genuinely sexual/romantic as certain people with a certain bias may have led you to believe lol. thats all!!
#anyway all i’m asking is that ppl ask if maybe they are reading these interactions in a way that isn’t the way they think it is#like i understand WHY people have viewed their interactions this way#rcg in interviews seem to have fed into it and as i have seen from the way ppl react to the podcast it has always been difficult to tell#when rcg are joking or not cuz some ppl take things i read as them joking as them being serious so yknow its one big game of telephone LOL#and a lot of the stuff abt deedennis being ‘intentional’ has come from deedennis shippers so… hmm there definitely couldnt be any bias there#but yknow i have a lot of personal feelings after being in fandom where ppl just let that shit slide w/o any criticism for a while or have#experienced stress due to shit like intrusive thoughts as result of media/society’s hypersexualization of sibling realtionships (esp m/f)#and have known ppl hurt by that same thing even worse than i have and my own careless or carefree attitude towards them was hurtful#so yknow full transparency i have guilt and bad feelings about this shit for personal reasons etcetc#but still i urge ppl to just…. rewatch n try to take a different lens to it lol#incest tw#deedennis tw#again this show can be interpreted in a wide way cuz it is built to be and thats really what i love about it#i cant control how anyone views the show that wouldnt be right to do anyway#but i do get annoyed cuz it feels like generally this has been accepted as ‘canon’ w no further nuance or questions n it bothers me
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cacaitos · 3 years
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idk bro some people are very set on that grifo will sacrifice the neo band of the hawk/falconia but not in a bracing ourselves for the worst way but in the i want them all dead so i can prove how shitty he and his dream are.
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lol-q · 3 years
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There’s so many things I love about the show that I haven’t seen people give enough credit for and I want to go on a little ramble because people are focusing so much on what they don’t like vs. what they do. So here’s my list. Sorry for the grammatical errors 😬
I love that the lesbian main character is this sweet, innocent, big hearted young woman and not portrayed as a overly sexual fuckboi that hits on every woman. I love that Fatou is soft and gentle. More lesbian rep like that please
I love the soundtrack. It’s exactly the type of stuff I imagine Fatou would listen to and it’s not just the top 100 hit songs.
I love that they use the soundtrack as a way to connect to the plot line, like the lyrics to the song Fatou was listening to when she was on the rooftop said “And I hate to leave you feeling all alone.But your story cannot start until you've grown. You can find how to be OK on your own. I just can't be the one that makes you feel at home” which was a hint as to where the plot was going
^^ also the song playing during Kieu My and Fatou’s museum date
I love the little mannerisms Nhungi chooses to show as Kieu My. The happy little bounce she did in ep 1 when she called out Fatou’s name and when she subtly checked Fatou out by looking her up and down.
I love how their rooms show their individual personality so well. Like Fatou’s room in the beginning of the season was normal and then it became increasingly messy as the episodes moved forward, showing her stress and chaos in her life
I love the height difference between Fatou and her brother lol
I love when her brother and her were thinking of what to get their parents so they split the bill on a gift - a very subtle way of showing siblings interacting
I love when Fatou and Ismail interact cuz it’s so funny
I love the physics teachers speaking voice, he sounds like kermit the frog
I love fatou’s eyebrows. Idk it’s just so perfect. Give me tips plz
I love that the characters rewear clothing. And it’s not a show where every episode is a new outfit with new clothes. Very realistic and it always bothered me when teens on highschool on tv have new clothes every episode
I love that Fatou’s original bio on tinder was “wanna cuddle?”. I feel like that girl would rather cuddle with someone than win the lottery. She’s so soft (also why did it say she was 24 in ep 2 when she was on tinder lol)
I love that the show showed the struggles of coming from a bilingual family and being the only one that struggles to speak it. When fatou was talking to her grandparents with her brother and her brother had to translate for her and it was awkward af, I felt that. I’m the youngest in my family and I struggle to speak Tagalog so people have to translate for me sometimes and it sucks.
^^ I relate to fatou so much in that scene cuz the dynamic in my family is the same as Fatou’s. My parents lay off and let me and my brother do our thing unless there’s an indication we need their help. The only time I ever spoke about school with my family was when report cards would come and they would see my grades weren’t that good. I remember my mom seeing I had a D in middle school and automatically jumping to conclusiosn without letting me speak. My brother is academically successful and he would also try and get me to do more school stuff when I was younger. Like he would make me do math problems to help with my grades. So it’s all very relatable for me
I love when Fatou sings, her voice is so soft and smooth.
I love whenever Kieu My and fatou are flirting both so blatantly and yet so subtly. Like the tension is there but it’s still awkward despite how smooth they both try to be it’s so adorable
I love how Fatou and Kieu My are so confident flirting and talking to eachother through texting but when it’s irl it’s still awkward and new. It shows the reality of an actual relationship in the making. It’s not just a full head dive into “I love you”.
I love when they were at the table tennis bar place and Fatou was hyping up Ava when there were dudes looking at them and Ava did a fancy ass turn and smile. She’s so pretty
I love that Fatou’s problems were shown in subtle ways in the beginning with money. Counting money at her job and when she wa trying to pay for the drink at the bar. It was a small interaction but in real life it would cause a lot of stress and anxiety if money counting problems kept happening over and over again
I love Yara and Josh’s friendship. More platonic friendship between a male and a female please. Also more Yara in general please.
I love that Zoe owned up to her actions last year to the entire group (minus Ismail Constantine and Kieu my) on New Years. I see her owning up to the role as Nora’s big sister.
I love when Josh was drinking a lot during New Years and Fatou was trying to get him to slow down. It shows how big her heart is for her friends. Also I think Josh and Fatou could be great friends
I love that Kieu My looks at Fatou like she hung the stars. When Fatou mentioned she knew Kieu My was a Scorpio, it’s the first time I’ve ever seen that girl smiled so big (before episode 5 of course)
I love that whenever they kiss Kieu my is smiling.
I love Sira’s side profile. There I said it. Girl has the jawline of a Greek goddess.
I love that they change Fatou’s hair. She looks good in every hair style but it’s always nice to see her in different styles.
I love that they showed the struggles of being a passive and gentle person. Because we’re not assertive in regular everyday life we are easily looked over. And it’s hard for us to muster the gusto to be assertive and take what we need because we prefer shying away from conflict and just letting things flow. I relate to fatou’s character so much in that sense. I lowkey think this is the universe’s way of telling me to stop being so passive about life and to take charge idk.
I love that the topic of white savior and performative activism was touched on. And I love that it was between two friends because it’s very realistic to how dynamics work between young people these days. The way they handle it differs in opinion but the fact that they even spoke about it was great.
I love that moment when Kieu My wrapped the vietnamese pancake in the lettuce snd handed it to Fatou. Its so sweet. If I was Fatou I would have forgiven her right then and there lol
I LOVE THE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWo. YES MORE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE.
Episode 6. Just all of it. Even the angsty part. I want more of that. Episode 6 yes. I’ll marry episode 6
Kieu My wearing Fatou’s cardigan. 💕💕💕💕💕💕✨✨✨✨✨😫😫💕✨✨🥺
^^ but also as a person that tried bangs before, you can’t tell me that girl woke up with her bangs perfectly in place lol. This girl probably bought a mini straightener or something too
Fatou telling Kieu My it doesn’t matter if she wears make up or not rather than going off on how she looks prettier without it. She’s just like “it doesn’t matter. You’re pretty no matter what, my little space nerd”
Pissed off fatou is a hot fatou. Js
I love Sira’s acting in general. But the way she shows Fatou’s sadness is great. It’s not just tears and that’s it. When she got fired it was a build up of tears but she wasn’t sobbing, same thing with the cashqueens argument. But she broke when her and Kieu My got in a fight.
Finn being socially awkward. It’s so funny cuz Zoe is this bubbly party girl and her boyfriend is so awkward. Nice balance.
^^also his hair makes me laugh idk why
Ismail opening up to Fatou shows how so many people feel at ease with her. Girl has a calming presence for everybody, she doesn’t even realize how much she’s helped others.
I love that Constantine wears the same jacket over and over again. Idk it seems to fit his character.
^^also kudos to the actor who plays him, he’s doing an amazing job
Love Fatou. Love her dimples and her soft voice. She gets all high pitched when she’s normally speaking but when she was fighting with Kieu My her voice became lower. Just love the way Sira’s voice sounds. Also Nhungi’s speaking voice.
Love the shaky camera movements. The fast pans and the slow motion dance scenes.
Love the aesthetic of Kieu My smoking but PLEASE DONT SMOKE, CHILDREN. ITS BAD FOR YOU.
Love the different aesthetics of the cashqueens
Love maike. Great actress. Give this turtle an Oscar.
Love Kieu My climbing the roof to help her Fatou. Softie to her girlfriend but an ice queen to the world lol.
Love the actors. Love the characters. It just makes me so happy.
This is so well written, i might actually cry no but really it was really nice to read your positive and cuteee facts after the tag check :/ and it really helped because i get mad and sad when i see bad takes. Everything you said was so true and i think im fangirling over this essay. And it made me emotional 👉👈.  Represantation does really matter.
This season is so important for so many people and i don’t think some people realize that when they’re ‘’criticizing’’ some things. Not only we have a lesbian main, we have a black lesbian main who is the softest person in the world and she has LD and/or ADHD. I sometimes can’t believe we got to the point of skamverse where we get rep instead of hurtful,problematic seasons and plots, some might interpret that as shade but it really isn’t, careless storylines really does hurt ppl and why would you want to hurt people when you can give 8 min of sapphic museum date instead 👭🌌 :)
i love this season, i love this gen and i love this essay
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hereisisa · 4 years
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(1/?) I'm neutral to EA tbh, I like it sometimes but this isn't my OTP. I really like your blog, though. And what I want to say is - I used to ship KA after F1, but they totally ruined them for me as a couple in shorts and then in F2 (and so did they with the sisters' relation :(). As for F2, I totally agree with what you said about personality transplant the main trio went through. But put this aside, I have another thought - I feel so sorry for Anna after F2. First, she became the queen, and
(2/?) she's never asked for it, it's not her world. She didn't even want to go on that adventure in the first place. She also "lost" her sister (true love) and best friend. And now let's consider for a moment that all these 'personality transplants' are true, and that we count the deleted scenes and shorts: so she's always wanted but 1 thing, to be with her sister. In OFA Elsa promised her they'll always be together (in the song), and she'd done the same before, at the end of F1, in FF and even  (3/?) at the beginning of F2, blah blah. And now she totally, utterly betrayed Anna's trust (the ice boat), never apologized AND then went to live in the forest for God knows what fucking reason, and didn't even attend Anna's coronation (and made Anna a queen because she didn't want to do it anymore, not even asking for her opinion) nor replied for her letter. What a stinker. Then the parents - after the boat scene it seems everything has always been Elsa-centric and Anna couldn't even have her         (4/?) time to mourn. Then Kristoff in the Nokk scene. She was engaged to him, she decided to trust him after what happened with Hans, and he betrayed her trust, too. All he did for these 3 years (including FF and OFA) was a lie, he didn't mean it and didn't want it at all. Plus it seems their relationship has been pointless all along, because they can't even communicate well. I know Anna treated him badly in F2, but well, it clearly shows Elsa is her true love and she can't focus on anyone else            (5/?) at the moment... but they (KA) clearly weren't meant for each other anyway. And what I want to say, they ruined Anna's character, they took literally everything for her to five her this stupid powerful song and 'happy ending' she's never asked for. I mean, sure, she's dreamed of romance in F1, but in F2 it's none of her priorities, and definitely that's not the kind of relation ship I'd expect they'd make for her after watching F1. I don't like TNRT because I think it would be better to             (6/?) give Anna NATURAL circumstances to prove her worth, independence and strenght, instead of forcing some stupid stuff. And I don't like the fact KA relation is promoted as healthy... I don't think of it as unhealthy... it's just nonexistent. And stupid. And I totally agree that the sisters' relationship IS unhealthy - but only after how F2 pictured it! So, to sum up, she was my favourite character and I hate everything that's happened to her (as I hate it also with E and K, but well,(7/7) that's not the point of this message), she doesn't even look like her anymore, since the charades. And I hope that you won't delete this message, I didn't mean to promote KA, just wanted to share how I feel about this movie. And I truly like EA. I can't talk about it to any other part of fandom, though, for ppl who ship KA think it's a perfect ending. Sorry for such a long message! I hope the stupidity of F2 creators are the only thing that bothers you on these hard days. Stay safe!     
I really like your post, I’m sorry if it took me 2 days to reply but I wanted to be at pc and not by phone.First of all....let me say that this: “ she's always wanted but 1 thing, to be with her sister “ is essentially who Anna is. She spent her whole life wanting one thing: to spend time with her sister and prove her she’s worth it.
And how are they gonna do that? Apart. Playing it off like “she’s a grown up, she can do stuff by herself”, when she ALWAYS DID EVERYTHING BY HERSELF!!!!
It doesn’t make sense even from a psychological pov. She always feared to lose this person, she always wanted to be with this person, now she loses it. The LAST thing one would do is say “oh ok well I’ll be fine on my own!”
It doesn’t make any fucking sense. I don’t know who they paid to tell them it does (trauma experts LOL), but they wasted their money.
The mistake they did with Anna and that, IMO, widened the popularity gap between Elsa and Anna in Frozen 2, was to give her a storyline so unpopular and not relatable for KIDS.
Kids don’t want to know how they’ll feel when their sister will die, IT’S SO FUCKING WEIRD.
Kids want to see a badass princess with a sword, who fights for her kingdom!! And yet in Frozen 2 they took the one who had powers and who could fight, and turned her into an hippie who does nothing at all in a forest, and the hero, the princess who could be fucking cool, is now a bad copy of what her sister was.
Being Queen, after losing her sister, surviving another trauma, having such a not relatable storyline for a kid.....it’s not a victory.
The only ones who think it’s cool are KA fans for obvious reasons, but they should’t be so happy since he was proved “not good enough” to stand by her side.
I do not agree with you on the sisters relationship being unhealthy and I said many times that was NOT Disney’s intent. Because to paint a sisterly relationship as unhealthy wouldn’t be appropriate for a kids movi and they would NEVER do it, (can you imagine the MONEY THEY’LL LOSE???? Why would they do that? Paint as negative something that makes them sell more than everything else on the market???? It’s crazy!!) and because the weird vibe you got about the relationship comes from the rewriters.For exemple Elsa ignores Anna a bit too much, but it’s because she was supposed to be succubus of a voice and being careless in her search for it.She was supposed to die, and the audience would have said “oh yeah, she even ignored the poor Anna to follow that siren, and she got herself killed”. It was supposed to be painted as a negative thing.But this is just an exemple of one rewrite, many other details, I’m sure, made you come to your conclusion, but I know they’re all results of last minute rewritings, so I have to ignore them.
It’s pretty much the same arguments over and over again, codependency, unhealthy relationship, and I’m tired to debunk them so I’ll just go on with my reply. :)
I agree that Anna doesn’t look like Anna anymore. She was reckless, impulsive,  free-spirited and adventurous.
(now this makes me laugh at this point):
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Anyway, they had to give her a personality transplant (simply “growing up” doesn’t do that) to achieve an end they desperately wanted, who knows why.
Jenn and friends wanted to give her the “Disney happy ending”, a kingdom and a dude, and they had to destroy what Frozen was, in order to achieve it. A story about 2 sisters, who always wanted to be together. A story about family, where a single (queer coded) Queen was ruling and is now replaced by the same old boring hetero couple (while the weirdo with powers was sent elsewhere, who cares where).
How can people trust someone who wanted Elsa as a villain, and wanted her dead, I will never understand it.
I’m not surprised they ruined Anna too, considering what they did to Elsa.
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I agree with your "Otherness" post. People's reactions to the concerns of some in this fandom regarding NOT JUST THIS EP but a history of A&E being careless at times with their characters and established "rules of magic and true love" are VALID, even if I don't share them. I will still count the validity of your concerns. I cannot believe the gatekeeping going on over all of this. Granted it is not the first time but I've never seen ppl so openly shaming fellow shippers. Do your thing.
I will always keep being me, and trying my best to keep it real, thank you.
I think what bothered me the most about this most recent issue is the abrupt about face some people did.
When the pictures came out and the set reports there was a sense of “Oh my god, stop overreacting, they’ll never do that. They have always given us beautiful things in every AU” and also “People reacting this way are superficial and only like Killian because he’s attractive (even though I never saw one post of anyone take issue with his appearance) or "People reacting this way are fatshaming! (Again. Not one post).
There was a lot of speculation on ways that he could be vital and important and there could be a hint at their true love status despite being a different realm because "A&E never let us down! They always come through with Captain Swan!”
And then the episode is screened and exactly what people expressed concern over happens. Like literally exactly what I said “He’ll be in the AU for two minutes as a joke and that’s it”.
He wasn’t given a serious role, it was just a joke, there was fat shaming involved (depending on your interpretation, I recognize some people didn’t take it that way) and there wasn’t anything related to them as a couple of their connection or another wonderful first meeting.
Those same folks are suddenly okay with those things or the lack of them, excusing them and blowing them off and telling people to lighten up or whatever. The exact thing people were concerned about happened but suddenly the “message” is “These concerns are actually okay now!”
There just always seems to be this sense of “Positivity no matter what!” In this fandom. Which just seems disingenuous and designed specifically to put people who aren’t happy down regardless of how valid their concerns turn out to be.
I really feel like I talk about this too much, but it’s an area of the fandom I think about often.
Like you literally cannot “win” in this fandom unless you are positive about every single thing that happens no matter what and that kind of takes away from the benefits of having a place to express yourself freely and vent.
There is a difference between choosing to focus on the positive for your own enjoyment, and dismissing and putting down negativity and changing your viewpoint situationally to do so.
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We had a very long talk. I don't feel a lot better but I feel a bit better. He was definitely upset but also seemed weirdly level headed about it because of the people he's lost to drug addiction.
My friend whom I disturbed by being careless with my arms but yet was so respectful and decent about it but she said that although we're two very sick people, right now all we have is each other.
He said he felt like he half assed helping people when he had more resources to help and although it was a direct reference to the drug addicts I felt I got a peripheral admittance that he could've done more and not just like oh woe is me I could've done more but actually done more.
He said he felt very alone. That no one has visited him. That his mother didn't care about her death because she really didn't like her.
Did the spirits work this. Like, this is the slap in the face we all wanted. He said he didn't know what to do like he wanted to help people and give them a safe space but he also wanted to leave the past 7 years "and that house" behind him. And you know I realized I have like a level of maturity I didn't know I had because it was a mutual understanding that I wasn't apart of this. He's not talking about me. I know a moderate drug life and when you go through these experiences at the time it's like fun shit but it's actually like a trauma you shared with this person. Like our very bad trip on shrooms. When I was younger I had a group I did drugs with and we were bonded by this because it's gross. Ppl throw up and shit themselves, they do embarrassing things. But long term doing that - I can't imagine. I only know this small example. I'm also not even a former addict I was habitual but recreationally.. Like I did it every weekend but stayed clean all week. I never used needles. I don't know the intricacies of this addiction but I respect what you build with these real people. However in order to truly save yourself you have to identify their drug addiction.its apart of them and only they will stop using. So ur trust is broken a thousand times and how do you help?
Is it healthy to state my delusion? I know it's fucked up for me to have it at the back of my mind. I should be focused forward, on myself. On my disturbing of my friend. On my inability to get it the fuck together. I think as well maybe he wants to set an example for me - like if he wallows too long it adds to my perception it's "okay". But like.. I guess I'm going through a really painful transformation period where like I'm destroying my mind and body to start fresh? Like I'll always bare the scars of my past but I'll have just destroyed so much of myself that I will be able to start fresh. I humble myself to my illness, once again. I am grateful not to be hospitalized yet. I'm sure at some point it's going to come just based on my progression but in this help I'm given a chance to change the course before it gets there.
I'm not even there enough to be a functioning person. I need to figure this out before it totally destroys me in a bad way.
I guess my delusions stay in my dreams where they belong. He said he wanted to "get out" before his mom came there and I don't know what that means but I hope it means he's returning at the end of the month. He's broke now anyways. Broke, alone and eaten by bugs and I'm not sorry for him because he deserves these things for being so conceited and shitty. He never should've left but at the same time he should've because it gave him an automatic excuse. Like he would have to spend hundreds of dollars for a spectacle over a dead girl. That although may be a good hearted person, certainly hurt as much as she did good.
I believe he spoke carefully about how she shaped who he is and that he was glad to be that but at the same time wanted to leave things behind. Like he spoke on her compassion etc. However this girl introduced polyamory to him because she wanted to be with other people at the same time and have him live on this farm with them. The only way he could maintain a relationship with her was by never commiting to anyone else that wouldn't accept being in a relationship with her how she wanted it. It was nuts to read these journal entries describing it and he was hurt but he wanted her and as long as she was alive anyone with him would eventually be with her. I ignored this in our relationship because it's immature attention whore bullshit who was imo trying to keep a lasso on her golden ticket. It wasn't practical or logical to real life including the actual way polyamory is seen to work. Her view on this truly shaped our relationship and that I had to accept other girls would be in his bed because she was going to be in his bed. But she didn't really care about him at all like he was just another number in her many many many people she fucked with. He hung on to her scraps. He watched her go through other men because he loved her and this is what she wanted. It was sick and he dated my friend now before me (complicated) and she also had to deal with this girl's influence.
But now that she's gone and it's just me.
How many other girls will appear? Is he already? Unlikely, but still. Is polyamory still a thing? He said he had to consider having a "boring life" where he has a career and "normal boring things". I guess I'm a boring thing.
I feel super bonded to him. Like my life path led to him and all of this is supposed to happen like this because we have to do this. And we're not together because we never would've appreciated together until all of this. I'm not saying we will be together. I want us to be, I hope we will be. Like say what you want but we are good for each other. We just struggle to maintain. Like when we argue we are arguing with fate, not each other. Like fate why aren't we where we need to be when we so badly want to be together right now. There is no residual anger. And one of the biggest things is that he'd always "fuck someone else". I invited him to. He never did.
It doesn't bother me that I'm not the manic Pixie dream girl. She had 7 years - if I stick around I could be the love of his life. I'm not small blonde and cute. I'm the opposite. I'm the opposite of her bubbly personality. I'm "cute" like a dumb puppy. Like wow so dumb ur adorable. I'm brooding and reserved. I'm too ghetto to be Goth but too dark to be the average scene party girl. I'm not a character you mimick because my traits are really unique and like.. Slightly off putting with a rhythm and cadence that is just me. Today for the first time I heard my unidentifiable accent. I was saying sound and he kept saying song. And I could hear how he heard song even as I repeated sound over and over. How is this a thing? Like I developed a really fucked up way of communicating. I digress.
I'll never be her. Maybe I'll never be idolized like he does with her. But I'm okay because he has yet to fully realize my importance in his life. They will all come and go and I will be here.
I wish I could ask when he's coming home. If. I mean, he has no money.
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lately i’ve been learning a lotta things that.... make me wonder if i have low-key add/adhd?
evidence in the “probably” pile:
i learned recently that becoming angry at interruptions can be a symptom of focus issues, and that many add/adhd folks HATE interruptions.
guess who has literally scheduled her entire life around avoiding interruptions, since as long as i can remember???
like No Joke i would do homework in the early afternoon so my parents wouldn’t bother me whenever to do chores (because to them homework was Above interruptions, but nothing else was???) and then after they went to sleep i would read/play videogames/art/etc. all of which, had i done during the day, they would have felt ABSOLUTELY FREE to interrupt me and then get mad when i got mad at them for interrupting me and didn’t immediately drop it because i’m a stubborn asshat
from research of the above, i’ve learned about (and immediately converted to) the school of thought that “attention deficit disorder” might be inaccurate, and “attention regulation disorder” might be a better way of phrasing it. see this link for more info
from that link: “But with people with ADD, who have impaired executive functioning, the inability to self-regulate appears as laziness or lack of willpower. It clearly is not.”
i’ve always had IMMENSE trouble self-regulating. without places to be, work structures and schedules to support me? i 100% fall apart. i’m still having trouble, as a 23 yr old adult, at setting up bedtime and wakeup routines!!!
from a list of ADD symptoms, inattention: “Be easily distracted by things like trivial noises or events that are usually ignored by others.”
i can’t often stand music or tv or whatever while i work. either i just Stop Doing What I’m Doing and pay attention to the music or tv show (and thus waste a couple hours on tv shows i don’t even like) or i turn it off. 
relatedly: i cannot go to bed with the tv or music on, despite it being a regular occurance for many of my friends. (guess who stays wired up on sleepovers while other ppl fall asleep to media.... :^) )
from a list of ADD symptoms, inattention: “Be forgetful about daily activities (for example, missing appointments, forgetting to bring lunch)”
i circumvent this now by writing a bajillion lists all the time, but when i was younger... i almost failed sixth grade because i wouldn’t bring my homework to turn in. 
which is to say: i would take it home, i would DO all of the work, but i literally forgot to bring my homework to turn in, on a regular basis, for the better part of a year. 
my teachers were confused at my great grades but lack of homework, so they talked to my parents about it, and that got drilled the fuck outta me, but... yeah
also? i can’t sit anywhere but at the front of classes. if i am not at the front i cannot pay attention, due to all the shit that people get up to. i’d love to join u at the back of class my delinquent friends playing games on your phones, but i cannot or I Will Fail. 
from a list of ADD symptoms, inattention: “Have a hard time paying attention to details and a tendency to make careless mistakes. Their work might be messy and seem careless.”
there’s a job in libraries that i cannot do. it is called Shelfreading, and basically, the idea is that you read the collection numbers on the shelf (that bit on the end of the spine libraries use to keep things in order) and make sure that the books are, indeed, in order.
i begin falling asleep maybe four feet into shelfreading. i literally cannot do it when i am Any degree of tired in the first place, but even when i am at my Tippity Toppity Best i’m the absolute worst at that job. it is my least favorite part of libraries-- even including the time I had to be a part of moving a library, and i wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy. 
from a list of ADD symptoms, hyperactivity: Fidget and squirm when seated.Get up frequently to walk or run around.
me. 
i can’t sit/stand still. 
from a list of ADD symptoms, hyperactivity: Always be "on the go"
when i’m not depressed, i ALWAYS need something to do. i have ‘patience’, but only if i’m doing something else in the meanwhile. 
for most of my childhood, i had drawing as a “something else”.
from a list of ADD symptoms, hyperactivity: Talk excessively
hhahhaaaahahhaha i’m so insecure about this but basically i can and often will babble on until you tell me to stop. case in point: look at how long this post is getting. i do that in speech, too
from a list of ADD symptoms, impulsivity: Impatience
fufufuuuuuuuck it me. i literally cannot play some games because of how slowly the characters walk. i will never be able to replay the older pokemon games because of this. rip me
from a list of ADD symptoms, impulsivity: Having a hard time waiting to talk or react
!!! i’ve channeled this into “interrupting folks to help them find words”!!!!!! 
from a list of ADD symptoms, impulsivity: Have a hard time waiting for their turn.
hhhhahmmmmm this might be a reason why i strongly prefer single-player sports. 
in tabletop, “waiting for my turn” doubles as “watch other people make fun things happen”. and any other time i need to wait i can usually do something else while i do so.
from a list of ADD symptoms, impulsivity: Blurt out answers before someone finishes asking them a question.
yes. but it’s kinda rare, i wonder if this is one of those semi-gendered symptoms.
but also, did you mean, “raising my hand before the professor is done with their thought”? 
from a list of ADD symptoms, impulsivity: Start conversations at inappropriate times.
hhhhaaaa i’m sure becca can attest to my inability to wait five seconds before beginnning a conversation that’s awkward while the person who reminded me of something is still around. 
something that seems like impulsivity might have a hand in:
right now, i really don’t want to be spending money. and yet??? i have like ten purchases in the past three days or so around 10 bucks a piece. for random videogames, toys, books, a tiara, a hat i found at a storage store, a couple of things i thought would make great gifts for specific folks in the future.... why tf can i not wait until i get my goddamn paycheck at the end of the week????
something else that seems like impulsivity might have a hand in:
i am a Serial Procrastinator. the only way i get things done is by procrastinating on one thing by doing something else. very few of my tasks are both Proactive and Not A Part Of Putting Off Something Else. 
from a different list of add symptoms in adults: Restlessness, Trouble Relaxing
i’ve said that i literally cannot relax. that is: actual relaxation occurs so rarely for me that i treat it more or less like a myth. 
from a different list of add symptoms in adults: Trouble Starting a Task
hey, did you know that this (in addition to being super tired) was literally what kickstarted my depression? now ya know
welp
more generally, i am a ninety-per-center. which is to say: i got a’s in school, but it wasn’t because i studied and memorized every last detail. getting 100% on anything was extremely rare for me, even though you’d think i’d have a higher chance at it with my average so high. 
i hate straight-up memorizing. i’m terrible at it. if learning only happened like that, i would be a highschool dropout. 
what i AM good at is being a magpie of knowledge. learning is legitimately a hobby for me. 
so learning MORE for me is often about contextualizing something new in terms of what i already know. 
one of my other hobbies? READING FUCKING EVERYTHIGN as a child. i read so much that my average reading-words-per-minute is 700 (w/ 100% retention-- that’s an easy reading pace for me), but i can jack it up to 1k with 80% retention. theoretically, if i could keep that up, the internet tells me i could read the entire bible in 24 hours at that rate.
my good grades also gave me a positive feedback loop: having good grades meant that teachers didn’t care if you doodled during class, and doodling during class is apparently a huge coping mechanism for ADHD/ADD.
uh. 
so. 
in researching and writing all this out.... i’ve basically convinced myself that i probably have some degree of add/adhd, but i had really good coping mechanisms that developed early. 
when some of the things i’d relied upon began falling apart, i spiralled into Depression because executive functioning is hard
oh my god now i’m taking a test and.... SHIT IT ME http://totallyadd.com/adhd-quiz-start/
ESPECIALLY 
My home or workspace is cluttered, piles everywhere.  Things have to be out where I can see them, otherwise I worry that I’ll forget about them.
When I am alone I talk out loud to myself to stay on track.  I have sticky-notes everywhere.  I’ve bought things and then realized I already owned one.
You probably don’t bounce around like a hyperactive child, but perhaps you often feel restless.  Driven.  Like there’s a dynamo inside you. Maybe you’re impatient.  On the go.  Thoughts race, sometimes tumbling, ricocheting as you pour out one idea after another.
I walk faster than others and have to wait for them.  I like to be in action, on the move.
this only applies in crowds; in other situations i’m small and can’t keep up the same with folks. But in crowds if I’m not moving forward i want to tear my hair out
I find myself stirring things up. Teasing. 
auuugh i’ve been trying so hard to stop this one because it’s often really rude and invasive but I HAVE SO MUCH TROUBLE STOPPING MYSELF
I’m drawn to one hobby or obsession after another. 
did you mean “project”? did you mean “life consuming goal projects that take ~80 hours during a month when i’m also in school full time and work part time??” 
I have more stamina and enthusiasm than anyone else if it’s something I find interesting.  I dive in whole hog, like a whirling dervish, with tons of energy.  But then suddenly crash. 
I always have lots to say, but I’m not so great at listening.  I can be an enthusiastic chatterbox who just can’t stop. If someone else tries to speak I get louder because I feel pressure to get it out. 
I am full of ideas – my mind jumps and races ahead.  I don’t sit quietly and consider, but immediately offer one idea or opinion after another. 
I may seem impatient or dominating, always adding my two cents, having to contribute my ideas… and I have lots of them. 
I’m instantly enthusiastic and interested in new challenges.  I say yes to everything, then end up overwhelmed with commitments.
HOLY FUCK
HOLY FUCKITY FUCK
I SCORED AN 18/18 ON A SCALE THAT’S MEANT TO BE 10/18 “YOU SHOULD MAYBE CHECK WITH YOUR DOCTOR”
you mean to say, i have been dealing with this all on my own, for TWENTY GODDAMNED YEARS, AND PEOPLE DIDN”T NOTICE OR CARE JUST BECAUSE I GOT A’S IN CLASS
i may be, more than a little pissed at this. hguhgugh
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