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thefirsthogokage · 2 years

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For those of you who are like "Yay! Part of proceeds from Stands go to charity!" Please look at Stands defending Jared's racist tattoo today, Monday, July 18th, 2022:

All but one person that's blocked out is someone I couldn't DM to ask for their permission to post their comment. That last one didn't get back to me. However, I thought their comments were important to include.

Since I started making this post, she has deleted the tweet. This is what she has said since:

I’m deleting the canon tweet. Reading up on it. Also blocking hysterical weirdos for my own health. Thank you for the dialog today. (link)

I'm glad she deleted the tweet and that she says she'll be reading up on it. However, this definitely isn't an apology the "hysterical weirdos" comment is not ok. But she drove potential customers away, so good for her. Though she made big fans of Jared stans.

Writing off people saying, "Hey, this symbol is racist," is not ok.

Trying to saying something doesn't have to be racist when it already is and has been is not ok.

Telling people they should use the energy they are using to 'come at her and an actor' to instead get the symbol off the Texas Driver's License, is not ok.

And the takes she was providing were (and are, since she hasn't deleted all of them as of writing this) completely awful and we're very much ignoring facts presented to her. And it feels kind of like they still are due to the "hysterical weirdos" comment.

If you want your money to go to charity, maybe consider donating it directly to the charity, and put in a note on who your donating on behalf of.

Here are some charities* Stands has some of her proceeds going to:

• The National Network of Abortion Funds

• Wolf Conservation Center

• Ol Pejeta Conservation

• Random Acts

• Yellowhammer Fund: An abortion fund for the deep south.

• Out Youth

• New Leash On Life

• Fight For the Forgotten

• Lydia Place

• Downtown Eastside Woman's Centre

• Stop AAPI Hate

The Trevor Project is also a popular charity amongst SPN fans.

*If you want to vet charities before you donate, I suggest checking out Charity Navigator.

I know Stands has some really cool merch, but there are other places to get some cool items. Maybe consider buying from small fan shops? That way you can at least support a small artist.

Annnnnnd... Before I post, she's has issued an "apology" ... And just for the for the "weirdos" part. And I do mean just the "weirdos" part. Not the defending a racist symbol. Not for calling people hysterical.

I am deleting a tweet where the word “weirdo” was used negatively. It is not a reflection on the entire Gish community who have reclaimed the word. I am embracing a few new word. I apologize for the following:

(But before I do, please have a search under @stands)

Once you’ve had a moment to absorb that. That’s what you guys go through when you attack each other. This is one person, one day. And you’ve been going at it for years. I empathize with your pain. Been there, felt that. From the bottom of my heart, I will tell you that no one

sets out with bad intentions. No one is perfect. No person is going to come through this unflawed and all knowing. It doesn’t make them racist, homophobic, ableist, anti semites (and “just like John Winchester”, oddly). I’ve read some really wild things about myself today. What

I can be accused of is not stepping away today and ignoring people, or dismissing what they have to say. I did listen to everyone (some things more seriously than others). I appreciate the time people took to express their views. Thank you.

(link to first tweet in the thread)

So...yeah.

"I apologize for the following... But before I apologize, please look at this ..." And then proceeds to not ever really say "I apologize," makes a comment about the hell in the fandom, said she's been a victim of the vitriol herself and identifies with that, says people make mistakes without admitting she was the one making a huge mistake, basically says she can't be accused of defending a racist tattoo, only that she didn't take a second to listen to people. It took her ass a LONG time of arguing her disgusting points before she backed off.

And I went back and searched her on Twitter and found MORE abhorrent things she said on this.

Those will be in the reblog due to picture limit (find it here). Please reblog that one!

#stands #spn #spn wank #lend a hand #REBLOG MY FOLLOW UP REBLOG NOT THIS ONE!

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staliaqueen · 1 year

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Do you ship scalia or is it just something that you don’t mind seeing?

I ship scalia in a vacuum. I think it's a sweet dynamic with a lot of potential. Shelley and Tyler do have a lot of chemistry, so I can see why the writers wanted to explore that pairing. They have a very similar awkwardness/cluelessness that feeds into each other well (I think the same can be said about stira, which is a ship I like in a similar way, actually even more because of the tricksters/kitsune angle in their dynamic, and I also think there's some sciles meta in there about how they both got girlfriends that are so similar to the other lol) and I'm happy with how they really utilised that during their scenes in 6B. I've only seen the season once, so I can't even recall what the scene was about, but I remember the scene that sold them the most to me as a couple was that Malia face palm one lol. Where Malia is trying to communicate something but they're both just totally clueless.

This one:

The problem is the circumstances of when this pairing was explored. The messy way stalia broke up, the unfair way Malia's feelings about st/ydia was completely disregarded. Granted, this makes a part of me go "Stiles unfairly dumped you and got with Lydia without asking how you'd feel about it? Fuck yeah you should get with his best friend! Give him a taste of his own medicine! Fair is fair!" but that's more about me being a Malia stan than having to do with any ships lol. When viewing the show as a whole, it's just impossible NOT to compare scalia and stalia, and when you do, scalia so obviously comes in short.

Like, every single argument I can come up with for scalia potentially working better is disproven by what stalia was in canon. Like, "oh maybe Scott could help her with her werecoyote struggles and do it better because as a werewolf he knows what it feels like" but we literally saw Stiles help Malia with that and he did it perfectly! After hammering in for 2 and a half seasons that Stiles is Malia's anchor I can't see anyone buying how Scott could just replace him in that aspect. Also "Scott is so good and anti violence that he could help Malia get over her kill first ask questions never coyote thing in a way Stiles can't because he's very similar to Malia in that regard" doesn't work for me either. We saw throughout their relationship that Stiles and Malia felt the best about their violent tendencies and trust issues with each other because the other one could understand. They could tell each other "You're still a good person" and the other could actually believe it for once. They opened up to each other and told the other aspects of their trauma that they never discussed with anyone else! "But when I came through it, I learned something else... Control is overrated." "I said, 'I wish you were all dead.'"

Then there's the scira of it all too! I'm not gonna go too much into it since I'm mainly a stalia stan lol, but the way Kira was pushed out of the show is honestly so horrible, and the fact that scira was so huge and how Tyler and Arden kept talking about how in love they were AND the fact that the writers said that they didn't actually break up and Scott was gonna wait for her... it's all very frustrating. Add the fact that Shelley is a white woman and Arden isn't and, yeah... it's all very bad.

Plus the way season 6 not only sucked in general, but also how the writing was really bad at actually selling st/ydia and scalia. I really like what @bericas said in the tags of this post: #like on a real level#i just don’t understand what they wrote it like this#like#why would you do this#6a outside of the narrative telling us stydia showed stalia and scydia like crazy#and it’s so weird#if you’re gonna lie to me at least do it well. If they really wanted to make the endgames make sense, they really needed more time to do it. You can’t just decide to completely change your character dynamics for the last season of the show. Don’t know what the writers were on during that decision.

TLDR: I think they’re a nice ship in theory but they just don’t work in canon.

#malia tate #scott mccall #stiles stilinski #stalia #scalia #teen wolf #meta #twmeta #anti stydia #mal answers

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ice-mage · 1 year

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With the Teen Wolf movie coming out in two weeks, I decided to make a tier list of the characters from the show using this list here. Below the jump, I have added my rationale for all 65 characters I ranked. Feel free to reblog with your own tier list; I would love to see them.

Season 1 Main Cast

Scott McCall – B – This was the ranking that took me the longest to decide on. Scott carries a lot of baggage in fandom. And some Scott stans are rabidly anti-Sterek and anti-Stiles, which in response makes you remember all of Scott’s negative actions and attributes. But, for purposes to this list, I tried my best to not let the fandom baggage influence my ranking.

If I were going by what Teen Wolf tries to tell us Scott is, I would’ve given him an A. He’s optimistic, idealistic, caring, and attempts to protect his friends and family. There are a great many fics that highlight Scott’s best qualities. And some of Scott’s less than stellar moments are understandable given that he is a teenager after all.

But, when it comes to Scott, Teen Wolf does a lot of telling and not enough showing. Scott was only a werewolf for nine months when he became a true alpha, and even fewer months when alpha pack came to Beacon Hills in part because Scott had the “potential” to become a true alpha. Deaton even said that he thought Scott could become a true alpha when he learned that Scott had been bit. All the while, even though he enjoys the perks of being a werewolf, he hates it so much that he can’t fathom why others would chose to get the bite. So, Scott’s true alpha status doesn’t feel earned. Plus, Scott’s morality is a bit black and white, which gets boring pretty quickly.

Ultimately though, and this may in part be due to Posey’s mediocre acting, while I don’t dislike Scott per se, I don’t have a particular desire to see more of him on screen, which earns Scott a B.

Stiles Stilinski – GOAT – Is there any question that Stiles if the GOAT of Teen Wolf? From his first scene, you can’t help but like this precious little bean, this little ball of sarcasm and enthusiasm. Stiles is not only part of many of the funniest moments in the show, but also many of the most heartfelt moments. He would do anything for you if he considers you his. Stiles being the emotional heart of the show is an entire plot point of season 6A, and the show suffered when he wasn’t there.

Allison Argent – B – Allison is super sweet, and I want to like her more. But I can’t look past the way she sadistically shot Boyd and Erica with arrows for no reason.

Derek Hale – S – This man can communicate more with his facial expression than many people can with words. He speaks multiple languages, and is smart. Derek has the most tragic backstory. As a teen, he had to kill his girlfriend out of mercy, and then had nearly his entire family slaughtered by the older woman that seduced him. When he returns to Beacon Hills, it’s because his sister was killed. And yet, he tries to help newly-bitten Scott gain control over his wolf. Derek could have been a villain, but he chose not to be.

Derek wasn’t a good alpha in season 2, but you see in season 3 that under different circumstances he could have been. He teaches Isaac control on his second full moon. He’s willing to risk his life for Boyd and Erica, and although he doesn’t go about it the best way, he pushes Isaac away in an attempt to protect him. He cares about his betas. He gives up his alpha power to save Cora’s life. And he eventually gains the full shift. You want to root for Derek Hale.

Lydia Martin – S – Lydia Martin is Queen. She is brilliant, beautiful, and demonstrates some of the best character growth on the show.

Jackson Whittemore – A – Jackson is an asshole, but he’s a lovable asshole.

Teens

Danny Mahealani – A – Everyone likes Danny. QED.

Isaac Lahey – A – Isaac is just a precious baby. His face when he takes the pain from the dog. The scene when he tries to stay up to protect Melissa with Scott. I can’t help but like him.

Erica Reyes – A – Erica is fierce. The bite gives her a chance to shine after having to deal with her epilepsy. She might have overdone it a bit when she was first bitten, but you see her become more grounded at the end of season 2. She had a lot of potential and I wanted to see more of her.

Vernon Boyd – A – Boyd is the epitome of the strong silent type. I still can’t believe that they killed him right after they started to give him a backstory.

Matt Daehler – TRASH – Murderous stalker.

Cora Hale – C – Cora was there for a bit, I guess.

Aiden Steiner – C – Did he have any good qualities? He sort of had a redeeming death, I guess, which is why he isn’t rated lower.

Ethan Steiner – B – Ethan had more compassion than his brother, so I gave him a bump up.

Kira Yukimura – S – Cute, awkward, and badass.

Malia Tate – C – Was there a point to her character?

Meredith Walker – B – She’s a little confused, but she got the spirit.

Liam Dunbar – S – Liam is a little, angry puppy. Gotta love him.

Mason Hewitt – B – I want to like Mason more, but he always felt like he was supposed to be Stiles 2.0.

Sydney – C – Not very memorable.

Garrett – C – Gets a bump up for being smarter than his girlfriend.

Violet – TRASH – A murderer whose money-hunger made her stupid.

Brett Talbott – C – Another werewolf whose family died in a fire? I’m sorry, but I just couldn’t bring myself to care.

Lori Talbott – C – Cared less about her than I did for her brother.

Theo Raeken – S – Theo was an excellent villain. And a villain the same age as the pack too. He singlehandedly manufactured the breakdown of the pack.

Tracy Stewart – B – She gained a lot of confidence over the course of season 5. She grew on me

Hayden Romero – C – She’s 15 but works as a shot girl in a club? Make it make sense.

Corey Bryant – C – Even though I think Corey and Mason are really cute together, I just don’t care about Corey as an individual character.

Donovan Donati – TRASH – Nothing but a psychotic rage machine.

Josh Diaz – C – Just not memorable. Apparently, he was in nine episodes. I remember maybe two of them.

Gabe – TRASH – I was glad when he died.

Nolan – C – Nolan was pretty pathetic the entire time he was on screen.

Parents

Sheriff Stilinski – S – Papa Stilinski is top tier. There are a few questionable moments said in jest, but when it matters, when it counts, you see that he loves his son more than anything else in the world.

Melissa McCall – S – This woman singlehandedly runs that hospital. Loved her relationship with Scott, Stiles, and Isaac.

Peter Hale – S – This beautiful bastard brought himself back from the dead. Yes, he’s manipulative and power hungry. But he’s clever, cunning, and charming. Loved every second he was on screen (younger and older).

Chris Argent – S – You wouldn’t think you’d grow to like Chris Argent when you start watching the show, but you do. Despite losing his family, Chris comes back to protect Beacon Hills. Although he cares about the code, in season 1 its not because he thinks werewolves are worthy of the same dignity as people. It’s there as a check against hunters falling to their worst impulses and start killing simply for the sake of killing. But he grows and learns that the supernatural are just people, not inherently bad, but capable of doing/being good. Plus, he’s a total DILF.

Victoria Argent – A – She is badass. She was able to threaten Scott effectively just by sharpening a pencil. Died too soon.

Natalie Martin – B – Lots of ups and downs. She locked her daughter in an insane asylum, the same one in which her mother-in-law committed suicide (at least that’s what she believed at the time). But in season six she helps the pack actually graduate.

Mr. Lahey – TRASH – He locked Isaac in a freezer. Multiple times.

Talia Hale – C – We are told that Talia was a wise and respected alpha. But we know that she (1) convinced Corrine to give birth, (2) gave Malia to a human family, (3) took Peter’s memory of Malia, (4) apparently failed to keep tabs on her because she we know she did not find Malia after her adoptive mom and sister were killed and Malia turned into a coyote even though that happened before the Hale fire. Not sure what her redeeming qualities were other than her ability to fully shift, but what we know about Talia does not live up to what we are told about her.

Rafael McCall – B – Before he shows up, what’s said about him gives the impression that he’s a horrible person. But we never really see that. His antagonism against the Stilinskis doesn’t seem merited, and he’s not the best father, but we he’s not shown to be a bad guy.

Noshiko Yukimura – C – She is a 900 year old kitsune, but she can’t help her daughter gain control over her fox spirit? She calls on a nogitsune even though she should know better.

Ken Yukimura – A – He is adorable. Love the dad jokes.

Mr. Tate – B – Don’t really like or dislike him. But I enjoyed when he threatened the boys when they picked up Malia. Protective dad.

Corinne – TRASH – Why does she want to kill Malia again? Because she lost some of her power and it transferred over to her? But then why didn’t she do it right after she was born? And is she’s appears incompetent given that she didn’t accomplish the job the first time.

Other Adults

Alan Deaton – B – Deaton had a few badass moments, but he was decidedly unhelpful a lot of the time. Stiles calls him out for withholding information. He says that helping Derek was a promise he made to his mother, and yet he never really helps Derek.

Bobby Finstock – S – The bigger they are, the Bigger. They. Are.

Adrian Harris – TRASH – He has the most punchable face.

Kate Argent – TRASH – She’s a mass-murdering psychopath with a creepy attraction to teen boys.

Gerard Argent – TRASH – He considers werewolves to be no more than animals. He espouses that it is better to kill oneself rather than live as a werewolf. Yet when faced with dying from cancer, he plots to become a werewolf rather than die.

Marin Morrell – A – Marin intrigues me. She was the emissary to the alpha pack when all the other alphas had to kill their emissaries. But she still acted independently, sometimes at odds with her pack. Needed more of her.

Jennifer Blake – A – I obviously don’t condone her magically seducing Derek and attempting to sacrifice the parents. But she gets a lot of points for being a strong magic user. She used magic to change her visage, to hide her scars from the world, so that Kali didn’t recognize her at first. She used magic to physically push Kali away, and to telekinetically throw glass at her. I was rooting for her in her fight against the alphas.

Braeden – A – She was badass. She survived Deucalion slashing her throat.

Deucalion – A – He is the Demon Wolf. He is the alpha of alphas. Jennifer had to sacrifice numerous people to challenge him, and she came up short. Her magic was unable to harm him. Easily the strongest alpha on the show.

Kali – TRASH – Two words: feet claws.

Ennis – TRASH – He was so angry that one of his pack was killed he decided to kill the remainder of his pack?

Jordan Parrish – A – Creepy visions aside, Parrish is really sweet. He deserved a raise.

Araya Calavera – A – What can I say? She reminds me of my grandmother.

Severo Calavera – C – Never got a strong opinion about him, but demerits for threatening to take a chainsaw to Derek.

Satomi Ito – B – She is a long-lived wolf, so props for that. She seemed to have skills in fighting. But she was utterly incapable of protecting her pack.

Brunski – TRASH – Not only was he a serial killer, he was annoying.

Dr. Gabriel Valack – B – Props for going from a prisoner in Eichen House to basically running the place.

Mrs. Finch – TRASH – She was an alpha, but had no idea what was going on with her own pack. Plus, she let Liam get beaten up in her own class.

Garrett Douglass – TRASH – He is a literal Nazi.

Tamora Monroe – TRASH – Did she have any redeeming qualities?

#teen wolf #teen wolf: the movie #tw movie #scott mccall #stiles stilinski #allison argent #derek hale #lydia martin #jackson whittemore

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lomlscott · 2 years

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RANT !! this has to be said.

the fact i just realized there’s an “anti scott mcall” tag just baffles me. it’s just weird. you can dislike scott but there is zero reason to make an anti tag.

sure, he made stupid mistakes but it’s the fact y’all want him out of the show? he’s the fucking main character and no one’s perfect. he’s a flawed character and let’s not act like your favs aren’t deeply flawed as well?

most of the people who interact or interfere with this tag are sterek or stiles stilinski fans which is pretty sad. y’all are either mad cause tyler p said the sterek ship is “twisted” (even though it’s really not that deep) or y’all just hating to hate. SMH LOL.

since scott McCall appreciation week is starting tomorrow imma just say that many people think that his character is “bland” or “boring” compared to the other characters which is wrong. everyone is entitled to their opinions so let me state mine real quick.

scott tends to be “bland” to most stiles fans because that’s who most people focus on for “comic relief” on the show. that’s why no one notices the good things he does for the others around him.

also, there are ppl in the anti tag saying how tyler posey is a racist (when it isn't even true) just because their bitter. aka, the same people who bash on tyler p but stan peter hales actor- who has been called out for many problematic things?

the hatred of scott mccall literally gets too much to the point where there are people are hating on the innocent, "im the hot girl" scene. WHAT?? HOW COULD SOMEONE HATE SCOTT IN THAT SCENE. i literally thought it was so funny with stiles and isaac and so adorable.

tyler p's done some stuff irl but anti's have gone way too far, just cause he has a fucking only fans doesn't mean shit. sterek fans/anti tyler p and scott mcalls have gone way over the top and made fun of how scott looks and his jaw- comparing it stiles/ dylan o brien. LIKE.. come awn now yall. literally everyone is attractive in the show and the haters can't pull any of them lmfao.

scott mccall has also done things, ALL the characters have but yet you feel the need to attack him only? like that time scott believed theo over stiles, that was dumb. really dumb- like why would you believe some rando over your bestfriend. but now yall are just throwing words in.

no one mentions how stiles treated scott like a literal dog during the first few seasons, when he couldn't control himself just because lydia kissed scott- (scott wasn't even himself) no one mentions how stiles made fun of liam's IED. no one mentions how he was always negative towards isaac. no one talks about how he literally pushed his dad into drinking more alcohol even though noah was known to have an alcohol problem. stiles acts as if he knows isaac's trauma, but really he doesn't. he also played with malia's feelings, i could list a whole lot of things- but im not a hypocrite. i can list a whole lot of things with scott as well.

so really what i'm saying here is that all characters have flaws- and there's no reason to make an 'anti' tag because that's what makes them realistic.

#anti scott mccall #scott mcall #tyler posey #sterek #stiles stilinski #teen wolf #lgbtq #rant post #anti tyler posey #scisaac #aesthetic #i love mexican #otp: i love mexican

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I see so many people saying that lydia was/is a qUeEn and a hEro for being okay when alec kissed magnus at 'their wedding' but like...She knew that alec had feeling for magnus before the wedding and still was going to go ahead and marry him which meant that alec well them both would've been unhappy🤷🏽‍♀

I just don't like lydia tbf, she kinda rubbed me the wrong way but that might be just me😕

diaiduahs ok so i debated with myself whether or not to answer this question for like 0.3 seconds before i realized that wait a minute, i have never shut the fuck up about what i think ever in my life. who am i kidding. but anyway fair warning that my opinion on lydia is pretty unpopular among "both sides" of that debate (i don't think there are ever just two sides to any issue but anyway)

also warning that i'm not dissing you or your ask in particular, just giving my opinion based on what i've seen and heard on this debate in the fandom

here's the thing. i don't think she did wrong by accepting alec's marriage proposal. i wouldn't say she did right either, in my opinion her choice was pretty morally neutral

because it would have been different if alec had no choice on the matter and she chose it knowing it would make him miserable. but that's not what happened at all

alec did have a choice. in fact, the fact that he proposed to lydia was something that made his parents (who are the main responsibles for his closeting) fucking pissed. he wasn't doing it to please them; he was doing it as part of his own plan

and again, don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that this wasn't extremely traumatic and awful to him. he wouldn't have even considered it if it weren't for the awful conditions of his closeting and abuse, and he would have been miserable for the rest of his life. but alec had agency. he wasn't helpless. he was making a decision based on the shit conditions that he was in, trying to ensure his own safety and success. the conditions were horrible, but every decision we make is based on the environment we are in. and acting as if lydia was somehow forcing him into this marriage is acting as if alec didn't have autonomy to make his own choices, which i think is pretty unfair to him

one more time! i'm not saying it isn't fucked up that he had to make that decision. i know that ppl a lot of times say "lol it was their choice" regarding ppl staying in the closet to wave off the trauma of closeting and debates about queerphobia in general. the closet wouldn't even be a choice that's presented if queerphobia didn't exist. no one's choises exist in a vacuum, we are all dealing with the material conditions of our lives, and queerphobia is a huge part of that; one that makes the best choices for us impossible. so like, no, he wasn't BY ANY MEANS 100% free to choose what he wanted. but he DID have agency in his decision to propose to her

besides, what was she supposed to say? "no ur gay lol"? it's not like outing him would have been an amazing move. and of course she could have said no and not said that it's because alec is gay and would never be happy with a woman, but honestly, what the fuck kind of right does she have to make that choice for him? she doesn't even know him. she has no right to tell him what he should do with the plate of shit that homophobia and abuse has handed to him, especially when he obviously is trying to keep his agency and have control over his situation and choosing to marry lydia was a part of that. again, maryse was pissed. when alec chose to marry lydia, he was doing it for himself

what would have happened if she had said no? he would have ended up marrying another girl. and probably one that his parents picked, not him. like, let's please give alec credit here. he chose to stay in the closet, but he was fighting being just a pawn in his parents' game from the start. and it's not like either of them had any illusions about what this marriage was; it was a business arrangement at best. alec called it a partnership. they both just wanted to use that situation to their favor. and in shadowhunter culture, that's normal (i'm not saying that's a good thing, just that it's a fact that influences her decision to say yes as well). like, do you think maryse and robert loved each other? we haven't really seen any other shadowhunter marriages so i can't say for others, but it sounds to me like marriages of convenience were pretty standard. if i were alec, id probably be relieved that she had said yes, because then they'd both be in a situation where they knew exactly what they were getting into and he didn't want to pretend

and don't get me wrong, i'm not saying she did alec a favor or some shit. i'm just saying i can't really see how she is doing him harm in that situation, and that i think this take is taking away a lot of alec's agency and if i were him i'd be pretty pissed about that lol

but tHEN we have the Lydia Stans who ALSO take his agency just as much with this absolute nonsense take that she was a "hero" because she "let" him call off the marriage. excuse me lol? he wasn't hers for her to "let" him do anything. what could she even DO to "not let" him kiss magnus? at best, she could have thrown a tantrum. which would have been pretty ugly, but like. pointless. she can't make him stay and if she had tried to this would make her a fucking asshole and a villain. but the fact that she wasn't a villain doesn't make her a hero lmao

she did the bare minimum! sure, she was gracious about it, it was nice that she said that he deserved to be happy, but still the bare minimum. it was alec's choice, not hers. she doesn't have any right to force him into this marriage, and she didn't have the means to, either, which is part of why i think her choice to accept his proposal was morally neutral

and god it's annoying as hell that ppl act as if she was doing some kind of favor by not being incredibly violent and homophobic and trying to force him into a marriage with her lol? like not being homophobic should be the least we expect. and again, alec can make his own choices. he didn't need her permission to do jack shit

so when it comes to the whole alec situation, i'm pretty neutral towards lydia. it's whatever. she was barely there for that plotline anyway. when it comes to the doyalist perspective of it all, i am pissed as hell that she seems to be so popular within the fandom as if she did something incredible or whatever, but my feelings towards her as a person/character would have been pretty neutral

but tHEN we have the fact that "both sides" of this debate openly and completely ignore all the other fucked up shit she did, like trying to arrest izzy for saving a downworlder's life (idc if she changed her mind, it was still gross) or her openly racist comments. her comment about raj should "cut back on the smartass after being manhandled by a warlock" was one of the racist comments that stuck with me the most in tHE WHOLE ENTIRE SHOW, because like. what??? warlocks are literally immortal powerful beings with access to magic shadowhunters can't DREAM of. and the "warlock" she's talking about is MAGNUS BANE, not only one of the most powerful of them, but someone that she supposedly admires??? like, my god, she was all but fangirling about him coming to the institute and then it's like. wow raj how could you lose to someone so inferior

like are you kidding me???? tell me how this comment makes ANY sense whatsoever unless you are the most shadowhunter supremacist person to have ever lived. there is no reason at all to presume that losing to a warlock is humiliating (especially considering how them powerful they are) unless you believe that shadowhunters should be inherently better than them at everything

but we never talk about that, now do we

so...... the super lydia-positive corner of the fandom annoys me to no end but overall this whole discussion just tires me from "both sides". i don't like her, and i hate that she is so loved when the shit she did is ignored and most of the stanning comes from a pretty belittling vision of alec anyway, but i also think the anti-lydia side focuses entirely on the wrong issues regarding her character

#this isnt me dissing you anon im just giving my opinion on the subject #salt #anti lydia branwell #anti sh fandom #ask #anonymous #q #anti lydia stans

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kinkymagnus · 3 years

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please don’t send me super salty asks about the latest shitty fandom things. they get me a little upset. i can deal with a little, but some of the just super fucking racist/homophobic/whatever stuff just gets me so angry it’s exhausting.

please DO send asks in general tho!!! i’d love to hear from you

fic prompts are closed, but asks are open! and i mean, you can try and send a fic prompt, maybe it’ll spark something and i’ll at least answer it as an ask, i’m just not promising i’ll write something for it.

basic dni (dont interact) in tags, but like, really looking at you, book stans and inc*st shippers. get the fuck out

this blog is fairly inactive but i still answer asks if you wanna talk about any spicy magnus/malec content! <3

#dni:#book stans obviously (those who support the books/cc and/or interpret my content as books content)#incest shippers (j*lec in particular)#abuse shippers (b*necourt j*nalec j*ia that kind of thing)#alec/random white people shippers and Alec Stans(TM)#homophobes (cl*lecs lydia/alec aline/any man etc. shippers)#and obviously anti magnus/malec people #exclusionists/Discourseists(TM) about how bi or pan or ace or aro or nb people are invalid whatever--gatekeepers really #transm*ds/tr*scum dni #dont reblog please #obviously i dont want terfs or racists or whatever interacting but #you get the idea #dnis are honestly kind of ineffectual anyway but. might as well try #also for FUCKS sake you dark magnus people get away from me

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thehollowprince · 4 years

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Fandom really went "Lydia is a hardworking, motivated genius who reads advanced physics for fun and taught herself Classical and Archaic Latin, Stiles uses Google and has a library card who wrote an essay on circumcision in Economics. Clearly, they are intellectual equals!" And it's been accepted as "canon" by 98% of people. Also, love how Stiles's "research" is 99% just like, Googling + book skimming in fic and rarely actual work in fic yet he's right all the time and knows more than Deaton

We talk an awful lot about how the fandom at large gave all of the traits they loved about Scott to Stiles in an effort to make him more likable overall, but we never talk about how they reduce all the female characters to these cardboard cutouts of who they were in the show.

Lydia is canonically the smartest person in the show, especially out of the pack and their peers. She may not have been as wise as Deaton or Morrell, but she was certainly intelligent. The only member of the pack that I think could give her a run for her money is not Stiles (as fandom would have you believe), but Mason, and even then I think he's a few ladder rungs down. And yet, when you delve into fic, you'll find her to be a pale imitation of who she was.

You'd think that a fandom that revolves around the self-insert fics, and that was overwhelmingly female, would have worshipped Lydia. She was the perfect self-insert character, to the point that some would classify her as a "Mary-Sue". She was tough, yet vulnerable. Intelligent as all get-out, yet not a "nerd". Secure in her sexuality, and steadfastly loyal. Hell, in later seasons, she quickly learns how to defend herself physically to the point that she could take down those much bigger and even more experienced than her. And yet... Stiles is the one they make the best at everything? Especially when it comes to the "brains of the outfit" side of the pack. They look at Lydia being able to read the Argent Beastiary in archaic Latin, and her understanding of advanced physics and mathematics and say that its the same thing as Stiles using Google to look up werewolves. What's amusing about that to me is that Derek points that out in the second episode of the show.

"You think your little buddy Stiles can just google werewolves, and now you got all the answers, is that it?"

Like, the man they write as praising Stiles for his intelligence and ingenuity is the one who called out Stiles' inadequacies the most in canon. But, y'know, what's canon details compared to fandom opinions?

But back the point...

Lydia in canon was much like Mason, in that we were presented on screen with characters that embodied everything that they wanted Stiles to be in their fics.

Its just something that's always baffled me. I'm not saying women should only like female characters, but for a fandom that is mostly women, it's a little concerning how little love the women of the show get. They don't get hated on the way Scott did [except for Braeden for some inexplicable reason (*wink*)], but they weren't admired and worshipped some of the male characters were, which is weird because half of Scott's pack was comprised of women.

But its not misogyny, right?

#russianspacegeckosexparty #lydia martin deserved better #teen wolf fandom problems #fandom misogyny #anti stiles stans

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nephilimeq · 2 years

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Scott is groundbreaking alright, but not in the good way. As people have pointed out, the character of Scott McCall is nothing but a cheap power fantasy. Scott has no obligations or expectations of behavior put upon him: he can be mean and cruel to everyone around him, and his friends still continue to love him. Scott stans saw Scott, whom they claim is "superior" (except that he isn't), "abused" (except that he isn't), "feminine, neurodivergent and queer coded" (except that he isn't), a "genius" (except that he isn't) and a "good friend" (except that he isn't) and projected ALL their fantasies onto him. That's why the term Self Insert Stan with A Scott McCall Name Tag is extraordinarily accurate. Scott gaslights, belittles, dehumanizes, abuses and lashes out at his friends throughout the whole show; but instead of reaping the consequences of his own shitty actions and behavior, he is praised and rewarded with a 'True Alpha' title for it. No wonder antis like him so much

Okay, so this was an anonymous ask in two parts that I have put into one so that I can answer it all at once.

First of all, this isn’t strictly a question, but I can do a breakdown and an analysis of what’s being said, so let’s get into it. Here goes nothing.

“The character of Scott McCall is nothing but a cheap power fantasy.” - Yes and no. I will agree that Scott started out as a potentially good character, but it felt less like a power fantasy at times because of the nice-guy trope that was also constantly being pushed alongside it.

They were trying to do two opposing things at once: a power fantasy and the nice guy wins in the end. Shoving these two tropes together makes a very unrealistic character, and puts the viewer into the headspace of an eleven-year-old boy.

“Superior, abused, feminine, neurodivergent, queer coded, genius, and good friend” - I agree that none of these apply to him. He gained a superiority complex when he realized that he was a werewolf, which we see in how he started acting around his best friend and his rivals. Immediately ditching Stiles, letting Lydia kiss and use him to make Jackson jealous, and using his powers to beat up on him as well during lacrosse.

There was one incident of him being injured by his dad when he was a kid, and it was an accident.

I think they tried to make him feminine by having him be more emotional (his strong feelings for Allison/Kira/Malia), but that backfired and only made him look unhinged.

He is not even close to being neurodivergent, and I am speaking as someone with both ADHD and autism. He makes friends easily, focuses when he needs to, and can maintain relationships whenever he wants to--all of which are the opposite of clinical neurodivergence. (I know my sources, I will come at you if you try to fight me on this)

We never see him questioning his sexuality in the show, not once, whereas we have several moments where Stiles is questioning his own sexuality out loud, making Stiles the canonically queer coded character.

Genius? None of his plans were ever the good ones, even if they worked. When his plans did work, it was always at the expense of someone else who wasn’t even his enemy (e.g. forcing Derek to bite someone he didn’t want to).

And a good friend? He was a good friend for about the first episode of the show. He was willing to follow Stiles out to the woods--and that’s about as far as it went, with Stiles holding up their friendship for the rest of the show until Scott completely abandoned him when Theo came to town.

Okay, so we have established, through canon, that Scott is none of the above things. I now want to address why he is none of these things.

In Jeff Davis’ attempt to mimic a “chosen one” narrative, he forgot to do one very key thing: when you give your chosen one flaws, those flaws have to be a consistent stumbling block in their character. If your “chosen one” isn’t also learning from their mistakes, only avoiding all of their consequences by writing it as others suffering the consequences of the “chosen one’s” choices, then you have created a OP.

An OP is a character that is Over-Powered. You give them so much power, you have made any heroic plot line you give them practically meaningless. They can simply overpower their enemy through almost sheer force of will. I’ve mentioned this in a previous post, and I feel it bears mentioning again.

Scott McCall never learns from his mistakes because he never acknowledges them as mistakes... --Causing everyone else to suffer the consequences of his actions.

This is why he is an unbelievable character, but, unfortunately, a believable person.

I know men like him in real life. They genuinely think they are amazing and because no one else calls them out on it, they keep on believing it. It requires showing one face to your family, another to your friends, and yet another to your enemies. They get away with things because when people do call them out, no one else believes them because they’ve never seen that side of that person. It takes someone from the outside, or someone who is smart enough, who can see their full circle of influence to see their true nature.

This is why Derek and Stiles were so dangerous to Scott. They were the ones seeing the other sides of Scott that he didn’t want them to see.

A good example of this is when Stiles killed Donovan in self-defense and Scott abandoned his trust in him for the new beta, Theo, who had just arrived in town; the beta that was telling him exactly what he wanted to hear and was pandering to his ego with his black and white thinking. Stiles was explaining the bigger picture, the shades of gray that existed in the real world, and Scott immediately shut him down.

And this is why the nogitsune was one of the most dangerous threats that they ever faced: it could see all of Scott’s various faces because Stiles was seeing the whole board, and the nogitsune used it against him and everyone else.

I realize that this has been a long post, so I digress.

But there you go.

#teen wolf meta #teen wolf #scott mccall is a bad friend #scott mccall character discourse #npheq ask and answer #for anon

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niallloverontheloose · 2 years

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Melissa Is A Bad Mom Because She Doesn't Worship Scott Enough"

https://princeescaluswords.tumblr.com/post/680068438475112448/can-i-ask-for-2-and-3-for-scott-and-stiles#notes

Here's another example of Scott McCall fans' blatant ableism, bias and double standard:

So, when Stiles takes cares of his dad and cooks him healthy food in canon is a sign of Stiles being "toxic", "possessive" and "controlling". But when Scott brings his mom junk food and tells Melissa that he doesn't care about her feelings or love life because stalking and dicking Allison is much more important is a sign of Scotty being "nurturing" and NOT AT ALL toxic, possessive or controlling in antis' book...

And @princeescaluswords still wonder why everyone says he's a biased, ableist piece of trash who's bitter and obsessed with a neurodivergent hero with ADHD – to the point of twisting and/or erasing canon and demonizing Stiles in an attempt to prop Scott up 🥴

Also, to confirm once again that Scott/Posey stans are racist and don't give a shit about characters of color unless they can use them as self insert Scott cheerleaders, here's @princeescaluswords whining and hating on Melissa McCall – who spoilt, excused, promoted and coddled Scott throughout the whole series – just because Melissa didn't spoil, excuse, promote and coddle her shitty excuse of a son at the expense of everyone else enough for his liking:

He also thinks that Melissa is an exclusive property of Scott and that she needs Scott's permission to date whoever the fuck she wants, too:

Escalus is absolutely right about one thing, though; Scott McCall is canonically the type of whiny, toxic, possessive son who would punish his mom for not prioritizing his ego and temper tantrums above all else. Scott's also petty enough to consider Melissa dating Chris a "betrayal" against him, because he's always equated love/friendship with ownership and submission (IE: Stiles Kira Allison Isaac Lydia Malia Corey Derek Melissa) and would take her refusal to do as HE says as rejection, demanding Melissa lets him control her life because "I AM A TRUE ALPHA! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I CAN DO!"

#submission #ughhhh #anti scott mccall #anti tyler posey #tyler posey #scott mccall

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trolling-since-chernobyl · 7 years

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Instagram st*dyots are all like "since stiles isn't here Lydia is too busy carrying this season on her back" like hun... it ain't that hard since it's a shitty ass season anyways

…how exactly she carries this season on her back? When she is deading in the hospital’s bed, again? Not understanding her powers, again? Don’t let me start about 6a…

Bless her for saving Jordan, Malia and Scott. That’s it for s6.

#anons #anti...lydia stans?

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slice-of-magenta · 2 years

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Broad Rant: Scott McCall Hate

I’m sorry for the hate anon other users are getting from simply stating and supporting the idea that a character does not hate, and even would go as far to defend Scott McCall... Except Gerard. and Peter. and Jackson (for the longest of times, until later). Those are people that definitely have been canonically not on Scott’s side unless it benefitted them, too.

I am stating what’s in canon.

And I know many prefer to ignore canon. I do that sometimes, too.

But if you are one that mis-labels Scott as these traits: manipulative, rapist, deceiving, careless, etc... The same traits that might as well be seen in other troublesome characters (Gerard, Kate, Peter..) , and then turn around to love those exact characters -- there is an issue already with interpretation! Hypocritical, in fact.

There should be some sterek or stiles stan fans that really don’t hate Scott to the point of erasing him completely from the narrative. Or go as far to prove that they can make a loveable character with Scott’s exact qualities.

Scott’s actions are not justified clearly in the show. His same actions can be done by any other character, and they would accept that character. There should have been more angst. More happiness outside his dating life (from this fello aromantic lol, which is only personal preference). There should have been more times where we would see Scott’s values not through the words of others, but also through his actions (which was shown plenty as well if we were to compile those moments alone.)

----> Stiles, Lydia, Chris, Mason, Derek, Deaton, Aiden, Ethan, Malia, Melissa, Isaac, etc.

The names above are just a few of the people who would canonically support Scott from the series.

It can be very much how he is written, or portrayed, but Scott is not the bad guy, not at the level fanon (anti’s) often portray him. If there is a problem with his character, then why aren’t there many fix-it fics addressing these issues then? The issues that anti-Scott users have against Scott.

(That suggestion may carry instant refusal from the anti’s.)

Again, sorry for the personal attack this may be imprinting.

#Scott McCall #teen wolf #when I rant I go overboard #typing a fury of words a mile a minute lol #this is a rant #this is my small take on this

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staliaqueen · 2 years

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1/2 "Sure, there are Scott stans who hate Stiles, but those groups aren’t comparable because the hate towards Scott is rooted in racism" That's not true. There are plenty of canon reasons to dislike Scott, and none of them have anything to do with his race (or canonical lack of thereof) Claiming that people who dislike Scott and prefer Stiles, Derek, Kira, Lydia or other TW characters to him are racists is incredibly disingenuous and disrespectful towards actual racism and fans of color like me.

2/2 Not to mention that, according to your own logic, if people's dislike of Scott is rooted in racism like you claim, then Scott Stans' dislike of Stiles must be rooted in ableism too, since Stiles is a canonical neurodivergent hero. You can't apply double standards and expect others to ignore it. Point is: disliking Scott McCall and preferring other Teen Wolf characters to him is NOT racist. Jeff, Posey and the Teen Wolf Movie cast abusing Arden IS racist though, and deserve to be called out

You’re absolutely right. When I wrote “the hate towards Scott” I specifically meant the hate from racist fans, not ALL hate, since it was a discussion based on this post. Obviously not all critique/hate towards Scott is rooted in racism, but the fandom wide tendency to constantly side line Scott, give all of his good qualities to Stiles, harass Scott stans, and constantly critique and hate on him for every small mistake, never acknowledging his trauma or refusing to spare any sympathy for him IS tooted in racism. It’s not just a Teen Wolf issue, in all fandoms characters of color gets sidelined and called bad people for the same things that make the white characters “complex” and “relatable”. These people don’t prefer Kira over Scott because... they’re racist.

The shit that’s happing to Arden is also fucking horrible. God that whole thing infuriates me. And the fandom mistreatment of Scott is definitely applied to her too, I just don’t think it’s as noticeable because racist Scott antis have Stiles to replace him with and their constant insistence that he is always right and Scott is always wrong.

And about the ableism thing, I got another ask where someone said that everyone who hates Stiles are ableist, and like, as a neurodivergent person myself, I’ve NEVER seen any ableism around his character, other than some not ideal words used to describe him. But that even is coming from Stiles stans. I’ve never seen any critique/hate towards Stiles that has any roots in ableism, which doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, but since I see racist hate towards Scott all the time I feel pretty confident in guessing that it’s not as prevalent of an issue.

#racism tw #ableism tw #scott mccall defence club #scott mccall appreciation #mal answers

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princeescaluswords · 3 years

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Stiles played a deadly game of Goo and chess against himself (Void Stiles) and a powerful Dark Kitsune (the Nogitsune), figured out that he was the one controlling Barlow, outwitted the Nogitsune while being possessed by it, and then defeated it with a Divine move in 3B. He was completely detached and in control of himself when he faced the Nogitsune. Meanwhile, Scott crumbles under the pressure throughout the whole show and thought that playing lacrosse was more important than people's life

Oh, you precious lamb. I'm quite afraid I'm going to have to clear a few things up.

The name of the game that the Nogitsune and Stiles were playing in the White Room is called Go, not "Goo." Stiles is able to take control back because Scott and Lydia came for him. See above?

We never see Stiles play chess against anyone, because, as he told Jennifer in The Girl Who Knew Too Much (3x09),

Jennifer: That's right, Stiles. Do you play?

Stiles: Uh, no. My father does.

Peter claimed that chess was Stiles game, but Peter does tend to exaggerate, as he told Kate in 117 (4x02). He did use the chessboard to tell his father about the supernatural and the nogitsune used it to threaten people:

Chris: It's not a message from Stiles. It's a threat from the nogitsune.

You see, Chris gets what you don't. Void Stiles is the nickname for when Stiles is controlled by the nogitsune. In the White Room, it's not Void Stiles playing against the Nogitsune, it's just Stiles.

Also the name of the serial killer whom Stiles left a message for but was in reality being influenced by the nogitsune was Barrow, not "Barlow."

And yes, I believe that Stiles did pull off a divine move in the episode of the same name, but he was only capable of doing that because Scott refused to let Stiles sacrifice himself or anyone hurt Stiles in order to save others. He found a way to save everyone, by doing the right thing.

Did Scott have moments of doubt and panic? Absolutely. Most heroes do. Especially most teenage heroes with no training or experience. But for every time he panicked, he came back with a plan, with resolution, and he won. After all, as Stiles cruelly pointed out, "You probably would have figured something out." And Scott did. Repeatedly.

Some of you might be wondering why I even bothered to answer this mishmash of an anon comment, but the ask illustrates two phenomena pervasive in the Teen Wolf fandom.

1. Most anti-Scott Sterek and Steter shippers can't even be bothered to remember what actually happened on the show, let alone remember canon characterizations, but it doesn't stop them from "interpreting" it.

It's hard to imagine claiming to be a fan of a show you don't bother to remember enough of to get details right, but more importantly, it demonstrates that, in the end, this isn't about the show at all. This is about what they desired to happen, which means their interpretations are their creations and their responsibility. And what they obviously wanted to happen more than anyone else was for the white male characters, any white male character, to be the deserved focus.

2. Most anti-Scott Sterek and Steter shippers see the show's dynamic as one where a white male character is in unending competition and/or intractable conflict with a character of color.

Scott and Stiles weren't enemies. They weren't rivals. They were friends. They portray Scott as a haughty tyrant yet the first thing he does after being murdered is go to the hospital to see if Stiles's dad is all right. They portray Stiles as chafing chained to a sub-par relationship with Scott, but Stiles literally has a break down when he thinks he's done something for which Scott won't be able to forgive him. Scott and Stiles love each other and they respect each other.

Yet the fandom doesn't stop there. When did Peter Stans decide that Deaton is his arch enemy? Derek, Chris, and the Sheriff all have far more more reasons to hate, chances to punish, and incidences of thwarting Peter than Deaton ever dreams about. Deaton never took joy in sewing Peter's finger back on without anesthetic; he wasn't part of the family that burned his family alive; and he didn't ever point a gun at Peter and promise retribution. But for some reason, Deaton is the secret enemy that Peter must overcome.

BUT IT'S NOT RACISM.

#scott mccall #stiles stilinski #scott mccall defense squad #fandom racism #teen wolf fandom racism #asshole anon

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