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inbarfink · 1 year

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Okay, so when it comes to “What Remains of Edith Finch” I’m generally among those who subscribe to the reading that there is nothing supernatural about the ‘family curse’ - that it is nothing more than an unhealthy coping mechanism that became a self-fulfilling prophecy through a tradition of neglect and recklessness also maybe some slew of undiagnosed hereditary mental illnesses. But one aspect of this interpretation that I’m not really on-board with it is the idea that this makes the ending of the game, like, a totally unambiguously ‘bad’ tragic ending.

Well, either way it’s always a pretty sad ending, y’know. Everyone is dead. I mean in the sense that, like, if the ‘curse’ is nothing but the stories of the Finch family making them think they’re cursed - then Edith writing her little book and passing on these stories to her son is just perpetuating the Curse and probably dooming the poor boy. They would’ve both probably been better off if Edith did let those dangerous stories die with her. Right?

Well, that’s not really how I see it. I don’t really think this is a narrative is about how Edie and her outlook on death is, like, 100% totally wrong and dangerous and Dawn Finch was 100% totally in the right about trying to escape the family stories - as much as it is about Edie and Dawn both being flawed women and neither really handled their grief perfectly. Since Edie’s attitude kinda dominated the family and Edith herself kinda used to side with her great-grandma over her mother, the story focuses more on her realizing that, y’know, Dawn’s perspective might have a point. But just cause Dawn might’ve had a point doesn’t mean she was always right either. I think the point is more that Edith has to understand both her great-grandma’s and her mother’s side so she can strike a healthier balance between both of their attitudes.

Like, the thing is that the ‘Curse’ is mostly just generational trauma (and if there is a real supernatural Curse than it is still a metaphor for generational trauma), and the thing with trauma is that wallowing in it and letting it define you like Edie did is really not healthy - but neither is repressing it and trying to run away from it like Dawn tried to do. Edie might’ve been wrong about many things, but she was right about this:

The ‘Curse’ won’t leave Dawn and Edith just cause they left the House, or just cause they stopped listening to Edie’s stories. Because the Curse and their Trauma are the same, so it will follow them in some form wherever they go. The big thing I keep thinking about is Edith’s comment after Sam’s story.

This isn’t about Sam’s death being especially important for figuring out the ‘mystery’ of the Finch Curse, or it being an especially fascinating or beautiful story or whatever. It’s because it was an especially traumatic event for Dawn, that undoubtedly effected her for the rest of her life. But due to her fear of the effects of Edie’s Stories, she never really opened up about it with her daughter in any way. Seeing the pictures of Dawn and Sam’s last trip together, Edith feels she now has a greater understanding of what made her mother tick - and wishes she could’ve known about it when she was still alive.

And that does go farther down the family tree. Sam was the first Finch to show a real dislike to telling the Stories like Edie like. Although admittedly he wasn’t quite the rebel Dawn was:

And pretty much everything about how he acted around his children, especially the real shitty stuff, was informed by the trauma of Calvin’s death.

And, like, obviously Edie’s idea of handling trauma did no favors to him, (She made him share a room with his dead twin for eleven years) but I think also his attempts to almost totally avoid and repress his Issues when he became an adult only made things worse and not better.

Now, you might be wondering how this relates to Edith and her son Christopher. Well, the first thing to remember is that Edith didn’t know for sure she was going to die when she started that journey. She wasn’t just planning on leaving that little book to her son in case she dies - she wanted to learn the stories too, and have a better understanding of the stories she knew already. Because these stories inform the trauma she grew around, and she wanted to understand it better before she became a mother. Dawn knew quite a lot about the danger of growing up in a household that wallows in and romanticizes trauma - and did her best to avoid repeating this mistake with Edith. Edith knew quite a lot about the danger of growing up in a household that repressed and runs away from trauma - and she doesn’t want to repeat it with her child as well.

And as for writing it down for Christopher in case she’s not around to share the stories with him. Well, the first thing to note is that I think that even if Christopher never had Edith’s book - he was already bound by the ‘Curse’ from the start. Like, yeah, he doesn’t have the experience of growing up with a traumatized parent raised by another traumatized parent raised by another traumatized parent - but growing up knowing his biomom died at childbirth can be a pretty traumatizing experience on it’s own. We don’t know much of his family situation outside of that, but the fact that there seem to be no one around to escort the Literal Child as he takes a ferry to go lay flowers at his birth mother’s grave doesn’t really bode well.

So I think, first things first, from that angle, Edith’s journal could be importantly therapeutic to him as well. You know, have some sort of connection to his mother and her side of the family that he’s otherwise can’t really have? Like, this book isn’t just some darn list of dead Finches. There’s a lot in here about Edith herself and her own thoughts and her life and family and that’s maybe connection Christopher would want with her? Something that might make him process his grief for her a bit better? Something to make him feel more connected with that side of his family?

Now, let’s also consider the fact the Finch Curse is at least somewhat public knowledge: the Odin Finch newsreel mentions it, Barbara’s death was very well-publicized at the time - and the ‘Tales of Terror’ comic calls it “another ghastly tale inspired by America's most unfortunate family” - implying that they expected their readership to be at least kinda familiar with the idea of the Finches being ‘cursed’. I think that’s pretty likely that, even without the journal, if Christopher dug even a little bit into who his birth mother was he would’ve found at least a mention of a rumor of a ‘Family Curse’ .

Or, hell, seeing how the Finches (and especially Edie) seem to have been local celebrities around Orcas Island - if Christopher lives anywhere near that area, really all it will take is him saying something like “hey, I’m Christopher Finch!” or “my mother’s name was Edith Finch” and then someone would say “oh yeah, like the famous Orcas Island Finches? That cursed family that keeps dying?” and seeing how he has no living relatives on his mother’s side - he would’ve probably believed it, or at least allowed the possibility to wriggle into his heart - and then… well, the Curse will just live on regardless of Edith.

Note that Christopher is already wearing a cast before he even read the book (and is, again, a child taking a ferry to visit his mother’s grave all alone) - it seems like something of the ol’ Finch recklessness has already made it to him, whatever it’s in his genes somehow or just the rumors of the curse getting to him. But it is not entirely on Edith’s journal.

And like, one of the things I think made the Curse such a problematic mindset is the way it prevented the Finches from ever learning from their mistakes. You know, if every death is a result of a malevolent supernatural force haunting the family - then there’s no need for introspection of how what they could do better in the future. Challenging this mindset was probably one of the best things about Dawn’s mindset. But learning from past mistakes is equally impossible when you convince yourself it’s all the fault of a supernatural curse as it is when you straight-up have no context for what happened before. If nothing else, the stories in this journal can serve as a useful lesson about not clinging to the past, or not letting your grief define you, or how you shouldn’t try and make a perfect 360 degree spin on swingset or how you SHOULDN’T LEAVE A BABY ALONE IN A BATHTUB JESUS CHRIST

Because it’s not like this journal is just, like, a totally uncritical reiteration of Edie Finch’s stories for the next generation or something. I think the game makes it pretty clear that although Edith Sr. and Edith Jr. are meant to mirror each other on some level, their attitudes when it comes to the stories of the family are pretty different.

Edie was characterized as someone who cared more for what makes for a good story over the truth, as someone prone to inventing or exaggerating tales, as someone who reveled in the romanticism of being Doomed, and memorialized the death of her loved ones more than their life. Like, one of the things that really crosses a line for me about the Edie Finch Method of Grief is just how much the circumstances of the death are prioritized over the life the person had before it.

It’s not always so blatant cause the Finches tend to die in ways that poetically tie with their personality and hobbies (Molly loved animals and fantasy and she spent her last moments in a hallucination of transforming into various animals, Sam loved hunting and photography and he died taking a picture while hunting, Walter loved trains and ended up being run over by one) but… there’s certain areas where it’s actually kinda unclear if the connection is actually there or if Edie is kinda forcing it for the sake of a good story.

Like, Barbara was a horror movie child star and her death reads like a cheesy horror story - but that’s because Edie chose a cheesy horror retelling to represent it. Maybe if we knew the real story of how she died, it wouldn’t be quite so on-the-nose. Did Gus actually love flying kites to the point it defines his entire personality or was that just something he did on the day he died? Either way, he’s defined by that one activity forever now.

And Gregory… like I’m sure he enjoyed bath-time, but the fact he’s memorialized almost exclusively with bath toys and soap is kinda fucked-up. I’m sure he had other toys he loved to play with outside the tub as well, but all of his memorials are focused entirely on the thing that killed him.

Edith’s attitude, as can be seen through the game, is different. Edith can appreciate the beauty of Edie’s stories but also cares quite a bit about truth and accuracy. The difference is most obvious when it comes to their books. Both Ediths wrote a story about coming back to their old childhood home and discovering the family secrets - only Edie’s story, “The History of the Finches”, seems to be complete fiction and based on what she would’ve wanted to be true, while Edith did actually go to her old childhood home and tried to record it as accurately as possible. And while she’s limited in telling the death stories that Edie kept records of, she also notes the points when they seem ridiculous or inaccurate to her.

She documents the tall-tale about how Sven was killed by a dragon, but also clarifies that he was killed while trying to construct a dragon-shaped sled. Rather than just perpetuating Edie’s joke for the sake of the fantasy.

Plus, she doesn’t just focus on the Finches’ deaths, she does try and tell Christopher about their lives as well. It’s not always easy, since with the older generations Edith often doesn’t have much to go on outside of Edith’s memorialization, but she does try to get a General Vibe out of them from their room and other mementos they left behind (like Sam’s improvised darkroom in the wall-passegeways) rather than just the death story. And when it comes to the people Edith actually remembered well herself - Lewis, Dawn and Edie - she’s constantly telling little anecdotes and details of their life together.

In a way, I kinda divide “What Remains of Edith Finch” into three main parts. The first third of the game, with Edie’s kids, is the one that centers on the mystery of whatever the ‘curse’ is real or not - and is also a character study of Edie herself via the lense of the people that she lost. The second part is basically that but for Dawn, it’s about Edith learning to understand her mother’s character via the loss of Sam, Gregory, Gus, Sanjay and Milton. The Lewis segment is a transition between that third and the last third - which is about Edith Finch herself. Even if Edith can paint a full picture of both life and death for all of her dead relatives, she can at least give Christopher a good insight to his mother, grandmother and great-great grandmother.

And notably, the two people Edith ‘has’ to memorialize herself without Edie’s postmorten involvement, Edie herself and Dawn, get a very different treatment from every other Finch. They don’t get a ‘proper’ Death Story documenting or describing their last moments. The closest thing is Edith’s flashback of the day they moved out of the House, which is more of a Death Flashback for the Finch Family as a concept than to Edie and Dawn as individuals. We do know that Dawn died of some sort of illness, but it’s delivered to us at the end of a longer passage about the life they had together. And we really don’t know anything but how Edie died at the end.

If Edith doesn’t know how Edie died, she’s shown no interest in trying to figure it out - if she does already know, she doesn’t think her spesific cause of death is important to write down for her son. The important thing is for him to learn what kind of person Edie was in life, and Edith has more than enough understanding of her great-grandma to memorialize her without defining her entirely through some sort of of romanticized tragic death.

And, like the most important thing to remember is that Edith questions the concept of the Curse in her journal. Like, the game and the journal are one and the same. So, like all of these passages that are important for the ‘there’s no supernatural curse’ interpetation:

Christopher is reading these lines as well. If we are capable of playing “What Remains of Edith Finch” and understanding the ‘Curse’ as being a self-fulfilling prophecy - then Christopher is also capable of reading his mother’s journal and coming to the same conclusion. I mean, it’s not a certain thing. There’s plenty of players who read the Curse as a real supernatural force and that’s also a valid interpetation of the game’s text. And there’s like, actual grown-ass adults who played this game and decided it’s actually about a serial-killer granny. So maybe it’s asking a bit too much from a little grieving eight-years-old to immediately understand this as a story of unhealthy trauma coping mechanisms through the generations.

But my point isn’t that there is 100% no possibillity of Christopher dooming himself like every other Finch before him, or that Edith made the objectively correct decision in writing this journal and basically saved her son from the ‘Curse’. It’s just that he’s not doomed... it can still go either way. Christopher might have read this and started to believe in the Curse and perpatured the cycle onwards, or he might have come to the same conclusion Edith did - that believing in these stories made them real - and decided to try and do better than those who came before him. Or maybe he came to one conclusion but will later change his mind. As long as he’s alive, there’s is at least the possbility that things will turn out better.

“What Remains of Edith Finch” ends with the shot of the two things that ‘remained’ of the two Edith Finches of the game. The House is What Remained of Edith ‘Edie’ Finch Sr. A glorious and sad monument of mourning, now forever frozen in time as a memorium for the tragedy of the Finch Family. And Christopher is What Remained of Edith Finch Jr. An actual living human being with his whole life ahead of him, who still has the potential to doom or save himself.

Good luck.

#what remains of edith finch #edith finch #wroef #christopher finch #edie finch #dawn finch

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sunsetthedragon · 2 months

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I love the idea of Christopher and Monroe meeting later in life. Like a chance meeting where they happen to cross paths. I feel like it would go something like this:

Monroe: Wait, you’re not supposed to exist!

Christopher: Excuse me, your dad died when he was 11!

Monroe: That was just a misunderstanding.

Christopher: A MISUNDERSTANDING!!!!!

#what remains of edith finch #wroef #milton finch #christopher finch #monroe finch #The unfinished swan #Christopher should be pissed at Milton for abandoning his family #as a little treat

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2sleepyem · 3 months

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Well, time for What Remains of Edith Finch headcanons !!

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When Calvin and Sam would get into fights and arguments Calvin would go into Barabras room while Sam would go someplace alone.

Calvin knew how to express his emotions, he'd cry, and talk to people about them, he was good with his emotions and would always express them a lot.

Sam didn't, he'd hide them, cover them up until he'd cry his eyes out and pull at his hair when he's alone. He always thought that he couldn't show them, that he had to be strong.

Sam would sometimes get into fights with his mom, they all ended badly.

Walter loves to hear stories about Molly, he'd ask Sven about what she was like, he always wanted to meet her.

Calvin once bit into a pumpkin while carving it, he lost a tooth, Sam thought it was a coolest thing ever, Walter was just concerned along with Sven, Edie didn't have much of a reaction, while Barabra was disgusted.

Gus would always make Dawn help him dye his hair, the first time they did they got red hair dye like everywhere, it looked like someone was murdered. All over the bathtub, Dawn's hands, some on her face, Gus had some on his head, face, and neck. Sam was flabbergasted.

Milton would draw the past family members a lot, he'd usually show his mom, whenever he'd draw Sam his mom would hold back tears.

Lewis is bi, he was afraid of coming out to anyone, but one day he came out to Edith and she was like " that's cool, are you trying to change the subject because I kicked your butt 5 times in this game?"

Gus knew he was different from others, after he (Dawn) dyed his hair, he'd paint his nails, Dawn would paint the left side. He'd dress differently and so on. Now that doesn't mean anything but he thought it did, he thought it meant something. Like he was trying to show himself. Sam would try not to flip out, he knew why Gus was doing all that, but he TRIED to ignore it and tell himself it was just a phase.

Sam is definitely FAR FAR FARRRR in the closet, he hated feeling like he wasn't normal, sometimes guys who were in the military with him would catch his eyes, and he'd immediately tell himself it wasn't right. There would be times when he was younger and would talk about girls to his brother and then it would lead into talking about guys, Calvin would be like in his mind ' damn my twin like men and women. Good for him. '

Barabra was almost like Sam, she of course liked guys, she was dating Rick, even if it was kinda just like him fanboying 24/7 and always being like 'child star blah blah'. She did love him, but, she always knew she was a bit different. Girls would catch her eye, she'd sometimes stare at a pretty girl for too long. She never told anyone at all.

Lewis is a sweetheart, a lovely guy, he always wanted a partner, to feel that kind of love, except he'd never know how to talk to anyone. He tried to talk to a girl once when he took Milton and Edith to the park, it was so bad they just left, Milton was laughing his ass off while Edith was confused.

When Barabra was born Molly was so excited, she helped her mom with everything, she'd play dress up, and much more. Molly was an amazing older sister.

EDIE AND SVEN ARE HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEARTS

Sometimes Barbara would help her brothers with school work, Sam with math and Calvin with English, a lot of the time Walter didn't need help. Sometimes Walter would say he needed up just so he could hang out with Barabra.

Sam and Calvin are so so so nosy, they hear drama, fighting, or anything they'd listen to. Walter tells them they need to stay out of stuff but they never listened to him.

When Gregory was born, a few hours later Gus looked at his tired mother and father and asked " Can we dye his hair blue?" they didn't respond, Dawn just looked at Gregory and shook her head like a disappointed mom.

Dawn and Gus would sometimes look at Gregory play or something and be like "yooo.. We used to be just like him."

Sam would look at Gregory and sometimes he'd see Calvin, one time he started crying, Gregory was just a baby so he didn't know what to do, he put his little hands on Sam's face which made him cry some more. It ended up in him hugging Gregory and a few hours later they both fell asleep. Dawn took his camera and took a picture of it.

When Odin wanted to move his house across his sea Sven and Edie were like “ haha ur funny” but when they were actually doing it they were like “damn…"

Sam LOVED LOVED taking pictures, a lot of them were just stupid memories, he has a picture of Calvin moments before Calvin broke his leg, the hair dye incident, Barabra coming home from work looking tired, and much more

Barabra hated how her mother would always remind her that she could become a star again, it got tiring.

When Sanjay died Dawn felt lost, she thought maybe this was how Edie felt when Sven died.

Kay and Sam used to have a loving relationship, but after a while it went down hill, fast.

Sam had anger issues, PTSD, trauma, and stuff like that, especially after being in the military.

Edith always looked up to Lewis, she was his biggest fan, she once drew a really bad picture of him and her together when she was little that said "bset freinds!" misspelled and everything. Lewis kept it.

Sven surprisingly knew how to do and cut hair, he'd cut his kids hair from time to time or when they wanted it cut. Saved money.

When Walter lived underground Sam would visit him from time to time, try to make him come back up, he never would. Sam would say "now you're acting just like Calvin and I when you'd tell us to not me so nosy." Walter would just roll his eyes.

I'd like to think Christopher sees ghosts, just for the fun of it. Even though his mother is dead she's always with him, he gets to talk to his family members who died, it's scary yet nice.

Milton would sometimes annoy Lewis just because he could, there was one time Lewis kicked him out of his room but let him back in minutes later because he felt bad.

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That's all I have for now!!

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littlegreengent · 2 years

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Imagine you read your dead mom’s entire novel dedicated to teaching you about the cursed history of your family and that’s how you find out you’re named after your great great aunt’s dead fish. That’s what happened to Chris.

#Christopher finch #what remains of edith finch #wroef #the finch family #Edith finch #there were so many other options here Ed #and that fish died like a month after Molly #prob cause no one fed him either

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ask-the-finches · 1 month

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So uh, quick question:

What would y'all's favorite color/colors be?

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Molly: Pink! Every shade!

Edith: Crimson

Calvin: Galaxy purple!!

Sam: Army green

Barbara: Pastel pink.

Walter: Ocean blue.

Dawn: Purple, pink, and white.

Gus: Red..

*Gregory dressed entirely in yellow*

Lewis: Burnt orange.

Milton: Every color in the world!

Christopher: Maroon.

#what remains of edith finch #Wroef #molly finch #edith finch #calvin finch #sam finch #barbara finch #Walter finch #Dawn finch #gus finch #gregory finch #lewis finch #milton finch #christopher finch #Ask the finches

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zer0cyanz · 3 months

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It’s not 100% confirmed, but it’s pretty much agreed upon by the whole fandom that:

Today is Christopher Finch’s birthday^^

Happy birthday Chris!! 🥳

18/01/2017

You’re 7 years old today^^ a great feast honestly :))

#what remains of edith finch #wroef #christopher finch #wroef christopher

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wroef · 6 months

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This may be a stupid question but who are Monroe and Christopher Finch?

You're not stupid! In case you're still wondering, Monroe is Milton's son (the protagonist of another game made by Giant Sparrow), and Christopher is Edith's son, seen at the very end of this game! His name I believe is in the game files, and was also confirmed to be canon

#what remains of Edith Finch #wroef #Milton Finch #Christopher Finch #Monroe Finch

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muppet-facts · 2 years

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Muppet Fact #470

While only three episodes of Jim Henson's Little Muppet Monsters aired on CBS, eighteen episodes total were made. Fifteen were never aired, as the show was cancelled.

Sources:

Jim Henson: The Works. Christopher Finch. 1993. Page 208.

Jim Henson's Little Muppet Monsters. "In the Beginning." September 14, 1985.

Jim Henson's Little Muppet Monsters. "Space Cowboys." September 21, 1985.

Jim Henson's Little Muppet Monsters. "The Great Boodini." September 28, 1985.

#jim henson #the muppets #muppet facts oc #muppets #muppet facts #fun facts #Jim Henson's Little Muppet Monsters #Little Muppet Monsters #Christopher Finch #lost media

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shadowyvoidfreakoaf · 2 years

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Okay so I just got done today watching MatPat's gameplay of what remains of Edith Finch and so it I loved it and I'm officially obsessed with that game now I would love to play it myself someday and I thought you know what let me just go and since I saw some lines that Edith during the game has said about the family members I'm going to put down my favorite ones and yeah I am also going to list who they are to Edith

⚠️Spoilers!!!!!⚠️

(Great Aunt) Molly: she seems like the kind of girl I would have been friends with if she didn't die in 1947

(Great-Great Grandfather) Odin: Whatever's wrong with this family goes back a long ways

(Great Grandfather) Sven: Sven made this music box for Barbara, Sven had refurbished the camera he gave it to Sam

(Grandfather) Samuel "Sam": I never met my grandpa Sam but I think he and my mom had a lot in common

(Grandfather's Twin) Calvin: Calvin stories adult strangely funnier when I was I remember trying to do the exact same thing

(Great Aunt) Barbara: I never thought about how hard it must have been for her afterwards

(Great Uncle) Walter: I remember asking about mom once where Walter had gone, she said after Barbara died he got as far away as he could

(Mother) Dawn: I'm sure my mom was trying to Protect me, but the older I get the more I say from my mom was coming from,

(Uncle) Gus: mom never talked about him but she told me once that if I was a boy that they were going to name me Gus

(Uncle) Gregory: (she never really says anything about Gregory and he's not messing a lot other than his story so I'll just be able to my favorite quotes that Sam had made about him since he was the main person talking) whatever he saw, it sure made him happy, remind me so much of Calvin

(Brother) Milton: whatever Milton had found in the house Mom didn't want it getting out

(Brother) Lewis: Lewis and I spent a lot of time playing games together but he was surprisingly bad at them he died a lot

(in Christopher's case she was talking to him through her journal / diary) ( Son) Christopher: my brother was really cool I wish you could have met him, and I was alone, the last Finch Left alive, until I found out about you, this is where your story begins I'm sorry it will be there to see it it's a lot to ask but I don't want you to be sad I'm gone I want you to be amazed that any of us ever had a chance to be here at all

The ending of that game really sad and I literally found the fandom and I was very shocked at the fact that there's another game and it kind of explains what happened to Milton it's called The unfinished swan but if you search up the wiki page for what remains of Edith Finch then you'll find out all that stuff and that they are in fact actually connected and it is confirmed so there's that and I think I literally just became obsessed and have a new fans in now could could receive me watching people play this game and so you might see more of that content on here but anyways I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day and stay safe bye-bye

#edith finch #finch #molly finch #calvin finch #dawn finch #sam finch #Gregory finch #edie finch #matpat #what remains of edith finch #barbara finch #walter finch #gus finch #Christopher finch #sven finch #odin finch #lewis finch #milton finch

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inbarfink · 1 year

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Okay so I just found out that the name of Edith Finch’s son , you know, the one that we see at the start and the end…

Is named ‘Christopher’.

And that’s kinda notable because we have seen the name before in this game. It’s the name of Molly’s Goldfish.

So, like, this can’t be a coincidence, right? Edith read that stuff - and wrote it down in her own lil’ diary so that her son could read it. Why does her kid have the same name as Molly’s darn goldfish?

Is it meant to go full-circle with Dawn naming a cat after Molly? Like ‘well, I had a pet named after you. So now I will name a Person after your pet”?

#what remains of edith finch #edith finch #molly finch #christopher finch

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stephiethewephie · 12 days

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Ok, so I was looking at reference material for my Twisted Wonder Yuu, Piper’s parents’ physical description for my fanfic, and decided to base Piper’s mother on Christopher Robin’s mother.

When looking at images of his mom, I came to the shocking realization that I accidentally made Piper resemble Christopher Robin’s mother (at least hair wise).