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rushwingtales · 5 months

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If Hollyleaf survived

Dovewing's Silence:

- Hollyleaf's encounter with Hawkfrost goes mostly the same: She's badly injured and gets dragged to Thunderclan camp by Ivypool. She forgives Squirrelflight and Leafpool, assuming that she's going to die. As she becomes unconscious, Jayfeather refuses to give up on her, working on her wound throughout the night. As her brother is on the verge of fainting, Hollyleaf becomes stable and wakes up after a few days. As a consequence of Jayfeather not being available to check on other patients, Cloudtail dies of an infected wound.

- While recovering, Hollyleaf spends a long time speaking to Leafpool and Squirrelflight. Finally, Hollyleaf asks for her mother's reasoning for keeping her birth secret. Hollyleaf asks if she should publicly admit to the death berry incident, but Leafpool declines. Her mother says a public outrage won't help, citing the Gathering where Hollyleaf revealed the secret. Instead, Leafpool wants them to learn to understand and forgive each other, by slowly building their relationship up. Millie becomes guilt-ridden seeing these interactions and kicks start her own reconciliation with Blossomfall.

- Hollyleaf has a moment with Dovewing. The grey she-cat blurts she worried that she replaced Hollyleaf and her brothers resent her for it. Hollyleaf said she can't speak for her brothers, but Hollyleaf assures she doesn't blame Dovewing and she proved herself unworthy due to her crimes. When Dovewing admits to the three losing their powers, Hollyleaf says it could be better in the long term. The three will no longer be expected to be the main protectors of the Clans and they can settle into a more casual life.

- Ivypool is grateful that Hollyleaf saved her and wants to form a friendship with her. The two she-cats mutually bond over their similar circumstances. Hollyleaf suggests to Ivypool, that not being a part of the prophecy, could be a blessing in disguise. Hollyleaf had witnessed first-hand, the expectations that prophecy cats can put on themselves. The black she-cat wonders if she hadn't mistaken herself as the third cat, for so long, perhaps her fragile ego wouldn't have cracked under Ashfur's influence.

- Hollyleaf encourages all the trainees to redeem themselves, despite how hard it seems. However, since Hollyleaf is being asked to make all these speeches about redemption, it makes her realise she's still got a long way to go. Her nightmares about Ashfur's murder return and she wonders if she needs to go into self-exile again, to continue her atonement. Since she passed on her underground fighting skills, Thunderclan didn't seem to need her so was she staying out of her own selfishness? Jayfeather snaps her out of it: Pointing her out her family wants her here and leaving again, would hurt them more.

Bramblestar's Storm:

-After Jayfeather makes her promise to stay indefinitely, Hollyleaf needs to regain normalcy with her family. In the tunnels, she expected to die young and didn't see a future for herself. While her grand gestures of atonement are important, she needs to consider the everyday too. At first, she can be overly serious and isolate herself. But she learns to open up and have fun around her brothers over time. There are glimpses of a simpler time before it became so messy.

-Hollyleaf reaffirms her connection with Bramblestar. At one point, he pulls his adopted daughter aside. He recalls how her brothers already heard this, but she never got the chance after the tunnel collapsed. He promises his heart will be open to her but he understands if it's too awkward to consider him a father. Either way, he will respect whatever Hollyleaf chooses. The black she-cat snorts, saying she would never choose Crowfeather over him. Bramblestar winces, wondering if it should be obvious.

-Hollyleaf asks why Bramblestar lied about Ashfur accidentally slipping into the stream. He admits he panicked slightly and thought she'd been in self-exile for long enough. Hollyleaf acknowledges how he risked his ranking for her, but she must be judged alone and not use her family connections to gain an advantage. At that point, Hollyleaf's clanmates had figured out Ashfur's death was purposeful. Most cats didn't particularly care after discovering Ashfur's crimes, only judging Hollyleaf for not trusting Firestar to uphold justice.

-Bramblestar asks if Hollyleaf still has her childhood dream of being a leader. He remembered how she followed him as a kit and said she'd become like him. The black she-cat declines, saying she can't trust herself with that power. Hollyleaf feels sorry for her younger self and doesn't grow into the cat she expected to be.

-When Squirrelflight announces she's pregnant, Hollyleaf is overjoyed. After a while, her mother noticed slight doubt on her face. Being told to be honest, Hollyleaf admits she has irrational feelings of being replaced. Squirrelflight ensures her emotions are only natural after the trauma she suffered through. She ensures they can work through them as mother and daughter.

Crowfeather's Trial:

- Hollyleaf would see the similarities between herself and Breezepelt. Additionally, as the one to expose the secret, she feels somewhat responsible for Breezepelt. Therefore, she feels obligated to set the record straight with him. She details how she killed Ashfur to Breezepelt and the two help each other realise where they went wrong. Crowfeather is shocked about Hollyleaf's crimes, feeling even more of a failure of a father.

- When he realises Hollyleaf is already reconciling with Leafpool, he feels pressure to speed things along with Breezpelt. Besides helping Breezepelt's redemption, Hollyleaf feels wrong to have a long-term friendship with him, due to Jayfeather's discomfort. She wishes Breezepelt the best but says it's best to live their separate lives, as they did before the secret's exposure. While this is all going on, Nightcloud refused to speak to Hollyleaf at all, blaming her for telling the secret. After Crowfeather's Trial, Breezepelt would go on, to make serval hypocritical statements: calling Kin defectors and Squirrelflight traitors. Hollyleaf would glare at him in disbelief, wondering how he could be so unaware.

- There's a moment, where Hollyleaf wonders in on Leafpool and Crowfeather speaking at the border. The mother and daughter thinks it's his right to know and Hollyleaf confesses the death berry incident to him. Crowfeather flinches, wondering how he'd feel if Breezepelt tried to kill him directly, instead of his half-siblings. Hollyleaf states her actions overshadow anything her parents did against her. So she says Crowfeather should be forgiving her, not the other way around. Crowfeather says only the victim, Leafpool, can decide if she deserves forgiveness or not. Crowfeather says it's impossble not to feel some disgust at Hollyleaf's crime; but he'll react to it as a fellow warrior, not as a father, as he never earnt being called her 'father'.

A Vision of Shadows:

- Hollyleaf is working hard to be a good daughter to Leafpool and Squirrelflight. She'll go out of her way, to do helpful things like replacing their nests or collecting herbs. She can be overly polite around them, thinking they've been criticised too much already. This annoys Squirrelflight, as she knows her daughter is natrually headstrong and says she should have the guts to be herself. The black she-cat would be the middle point between her two brothers: Jayfeather has unresolved feelings, while Lionblaze has let go of the past. Hollyleaf tries to get along with her mothers, but there would always be the occasional awkwardness, not forgetting the past.

- Hollyleaf is struggling to find her place in the Clan. She doesn't want to get involved in too many battles, fearful she could kill again. Additionally, she doesn't want any authority she could potentially abuse. She asks Bramblestar to never consider her for deputyship and vows she'll never return as a Medicine cat apprentice. For a while, she tries training under Daisy as a permanent queen. Though she learns the position isn't right for her, not having the patience for so many kits.

-When Leafstar creates the mediator rank for Tree, it sparks her interest. It could let her avoid hurting others and the job requires memorization of the code, which she already has. She works with Tree, to become Thunderclan's first mediator. This inspires the remaining Clans to train their own mediators. For Shadowclan, Strikestone steps up as he blames warrior life for his loved ones' deaths. Icewing becomes Riverclan's mediator to repent for her Dark Forest training. Finally, Heathertail volunteers due to her caring nature and experience with angry toms.

- Hollyleaf helps to raise Sparkpelt and Alderheart, while Squirrelflight grieves for her lost kits. Out of her litter, she would be the closest to her adoptive siblings. Hollyleaf is quite protective of Alderheart, reminding her of Jayfeather when he was a weak kit. She likes to ensure that Jayfeather isn't too harsh on his apprentice, reminding him of their parallels. Hollyleaf and Sparkpelt are the most alike, with Sparkpelt claiming she's a "mini-me" of Hollyleaf. The two even become mentor and apprentice, at Sparkpelt's request. Hollyleaf is determined not to disappoint Sparkpelt - She can waver between being strict and soft-spoken, as she desperately tries to get the balance right. Even after her warrior ceremony, Hollyleaf assures Sparkpelt that she can always ask for advice.

- Hollyleaf has some moments in the Darktail and Onestar conflict. When Onestar compares his situation to Hollyleaf and Breezepelt on the possibility of convincing Darktail to stop - The black she-cat dismisses it, saying Darktail is truly too far gone. Hollyleaf encourages Onestar to fix his past mistakes, but he needs to be prepared to make the hard choices if he goes down that road.

Squirrelflight's Hope:

- As a mediator, Hollyleaf joins Tree in his missions, to negotiate with the Sisters peacefully. Due to her past, Hollyleaf doesn't feel like it's her place, to assume she knows better than the Clans. So Hollyleaf feels compelled to act in an offical capacity. So when Squirrelflight starts going against Bramblestar's orders, Holyleaf can't trust herself to join her mother. She simply says to Squirrelflight, 'I hope you know what you're doing'. Though when the Sisters are driven out of their camp, Hollyleaf can't stand aside at that point. She helps evacuate the sisters' kits, including helping with Moonlight's birth.

- As Squirrelflight and Bramblestar argue over their politics: Hollyleaf feels it would be nepotism if she used her position as their daughter, to voice her own politcal opinions to them. Instead, as a mediator, Hollyleaf sets up a meeting in a calm setting, for Squirrelflight and Bramblestar to have a proper heart-to-heart. Also, Hollyleaf acts as a middle-man for other family members: She asks Tawnypelt, to start supporting Bramblestar with his relationship struggles. Then Hollyleaf relays Sparkpelt's story, of her panicking due to her parents aruging.

- When Leafpool dies, Hollyleaf blurts she wishes she'd taken her place. Though Squirrelflight counters that Leafpool wants Hollyleaf to be happy and she needs to live on, for her sake. Hollyleaf and Jayfeather spend more time together, due to their shared grief.

Broken Code:

- When "Bramblestar" first starts his code-breaking agenda, he questions why Hollyleaf isn't more happy about it, considering her old dedication to it. Hollyleaf utters she can't let her dangerous obsession resurface. She states that as a mediator now, she must be able to see the warrior code critically. She gets suspicious of "Bramblestar", noticing he's never cared so much about the code before. She warns him about how that type of obsession can be all-consuming.

-Hollyleaf is the first cat to be exiled, due to her criticisms of "Bramblestar". She attempted to gather the mediators from the other Clans and convince him to stop his cruelty.

- When she discovers Ashfur's identity, she makes it her personal mission to defeat him. Though Hollyleaf refuses to join the rebels, saying she won't fight against anyone else, not even the Imposter's supporters. She swore she wouldn't kill anyone else. Her sole target is Ashfur. Instead, the mediators create a refugee camp for the Imposter's exiles. They guard the most vulnerable while others fight their fellow Clan cats.

-Hollyleaf is shocked when Lionblaze kills Harstar, dragging him off his victim. When he is appointed deputy, she tries to voice her concerns about his bad headspace. However, she is outnumbered, so she is forced to accept it.

-Hollyleaf volunteers to enter the Dark Forest, thinking innocent cats shouldn't need to sacrifice themselves. She briefly encounters Stonefur in Starclan. He recounts his execution and says it was truly sad to see another Half-Clan internalise that hatred. Holyleaf promises she'll make the younger generations less biased towards Half-Clan cats.

- Ashfur taunts Hollyleaf for her hypocrisy for killing him and leaking her parentage anyway. She responds it was wrong for her to take justice into her own hands, when she killed Ashfur alone. But at the same time, Ashfur shouldn't have expected to go scot-free, considering his own crimes. Ashfur is bitter that Hollyleaf got to live on, when he didn't, claiming she's as bad as him. Hollyleaf remains realistic, acknowledging she's a killer, but affirms that Ashfur's crimes vastly outweigh hers by now. She hits Ashfur to his core when she says he's in the same leagues as Tigerstar.

-Hollyleaf feels incredibly guilty when Bristlefrost dies, feeling like she failed her friend Ivypool.

- When Ashfur is cornered, he plays his trump card against Hollyleaf. He exposes Hollyleaf as Leafpool's attempted murderer. The black she-cat was shocked since Leafpool wanted to keep it between them. Even after Ashfur fades away, the damage of Hollyleaf's exposure is left. Though her family understood why Leafpool herself chose to keep it a secret, they still felt betrayed. They weren't surprised due to Hollyleaf's other crimes but it was still disappointing. Some loved ones take a while before they can speak to her again. Meanwhile Hollyleaf's more distant relatives, like Lionblaze's kits, refuse to acknowledge their kinship with her.

- When real Bramblestar returns, he decides it's pointless to exile her again since it's been so long and she's already punished herself that way. Instead, Bramblestar explains that many warriors feel unsafe, sharing their den with a killer. He thinks it's unfair to force them to compromise. Bramblestar allows Hollyleaf to remain in Thunderclan, but she must have her own isolated den, outside of the camp boundaries. She can return to camp to receive assignments, but she just can't sleep there anymore. As for other permanent consequences, she's banned from Gatherings and mentorship.

Starless Clan:

- Hollyleaf supports the warrior code changing, arguing that some rules do more damage than good. She points to her broken family, saying it could've been avoided with proper protocols. She says good mothers like Leafpool are unfairly forced to give up their kits and branded traitors.

- Hollyleaf fosters Flinchkit and Flamekit while Sparkpelt grieves. Flamepaw comes to see Hollyleaf as a mother figure. Sorrelstripe still nurses them but she's more hands-off, wanting to give Hollyleaf space to bond with Flamekit. Flamepaw has a mostly good relationship with Hollyleaf, much better than Sparkpelt. However, he has underlying doubts about her, knowing her murderous past. He is aware that Hollyleaf is the black sheep of the family and fears he might be the same. He knows he gets the occasional worried looks from his clanmates for being so close to Hollyleaf. Sometimes, he has overdramatic fears that he'll hurt Sparkpelt, as Hollyleaf did to Leafpool, artificially drawing comparisons between them.

-When Flamepaw struggles to find his place, Hollyleaf wants to help her nephew. She suggests the mediators could train him to become her successor. However, he shuts her down. He says Hollyleaf is doing the very thing he's trying to avoid: Using nepotism to get a special ranking. Hollyleaf claims mediators aren't glorious, and distrust is still aimed towards them. Though Flamepaw refuses to humor the idea further.

-Nightheart becomes bitter at Hollyleaf's choice to raise him. He argues that their clanmates look at him strangely because the resident murderer decided to get close to him. Hollyleaf mutters she was trying to help Sparkpelt, but Nightheart isn't fully convinced. He says her past makes her unfit to be a foster parent, and she shouldn't use kits to reconcile her own guilt. While Nightheart's words were excessive, Hollyleaf knew he was partly telling the truth.

-Alongside Tree, Hollyeaf tries to convince Tigerstar to leave Riverclan alone. They partly succeed, as Shadowclan warriors are slowly withdrawn from Riverclan camp.

-On one occasion, Hollyleaf overhears Berryheart trying to guilt-trip Sunbeam into abandoning Nightheart. Reacting to this slander against Half-Clan families, Hollyleaf gets into a brief fight with Berryheart.

-After Nightheart matures, he believes he was too harsh towards Hollyleaf. So the next time he sees her, he apologises. The black she-cat admits she should give her nephew space and rethink how her reputation could affect her loved ones.

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bonefall · 2 months

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Okay so a convo made me remember that Icecloud and Foxleap become apprentices 4-5 moons after the three, which means Ferncloud either had four litters so the three could nurse while also having kits so much younger than them, or she just so happens to have milk despite not having kits OR her last litter was really held back. Mostly bringing this up because obviously Squilf and Leaf still can't nurse the three in BB and I was curious if Ferc was still going to nurse them since I know you gave away her last litter or if someone else will do that or if there's a definite answer for this detail yet.

Daisy did it! Her kits were recently weaned, but Sorreltail at the time was nursing FOUR kittens. That's a lot for one suckler to handle, so Daisy would help out which kept her milk coming.

So Daisy has it handled. Ferncloud is still reeling from horrifically losing THREE children in a short period of time. At this moment in time, she didn't feel ready for more.

But, anyway! Foxleap and Icecloud are NOT DustFern kittens in BB. They were shuffled. This is because Ferncloud has waaaay too few surviving kittens while Brightheart and Sorreltail exploded the gene pool. Their kits in BB are;

Dustpelt x Ferncloud:

Spiderleg (ALIVE)

Shrewpaw (Car accident while chasing a pheasant; Squilf's guardian angel)

Lurchkit (Destruction of the White Hart)

Hollykit (Ditto)

Birchfall (ALIVE)

Seedpaw (Drowned)

Lilyheart (ALIVE)

Ferncloud is the Educator of ThunderClan until her death in TBC. She lives long enough to confront her little brother, Ashfur, who is now from a younger litter. Dustpelt died in the Battle of the True Eclipse, while defending his last litter from Dark Forest warriors.

Additionally, Spotfur and Duststripe (prev. Sorrelstripe) are now Birchfall's kittens, in trade for Dovewing and Ivypool to go into the Firekin family. Toadstep is also still alive; the husband of Lionblaze.

Lilyheart hasn't had any kittens yet, though. I'm still holding on to Leafshade and Honey...something i forgot her name. ThunderClan is already pretty full of cats and she really didn't need to have them so young. Plus, she got seriously traumatized from how Seedpaw died, and she's the sort of mature person to realize she doesn't want to be responsible for young lives when that's still affecting her.

Brightheart x Cloudtail

Whitewing (alive)

Foxleap (Battle of the True Eclipse)

Icecloud (Born after the BOTTE, named after Iceheart, alive)

Snowbush, Ambermoon, and Dewnose all still exist, but were adopted to other couples! They're going to show up in other Clans. Cloud and Bright kept a single kitten from each litter.

Foxleap is probably going to be younger than he is in-canon, because I feel like he often gets lost in the massive Po3 Apprentice Generation. So, he'll be somewhere between Po3 and OotS, interacting with Dovewing and Ivypool as they grow up.

Icecloud, also shuffled in age, is also going to end up with a bigger role in AVOS-era stuff, he's transmasc and a fast friend of Alderheart when he joins ThunderClan after being raised by his mother Jessy as a kittypet. Him and Lilyheart make up Alderheart's misfit friend group.

(In general I think ThunderClan feels less bloated if the births are spaced out better.)

Sorreltail x Brackenfur

Cinderheart (Alive; travelling with Fallenleaf)

Honeysnake (survived the adder; killed in the BOTTE)

Poppyfrost (Alive; inventor of gardening)

Molepaw (Greencough... angel name is Moleflight and he is constantly fighting Jayfeather)

JUST having the infamous Brackenfour. No more; BB!Brackenfur was killed in the Battle of the FALSE Eclipse at the end of Po3. Sorreltail is living for a MUCH longer time; she's still around in the current arc, preparing to retire as Head of Kitchen Patrol.

#better bones au #I feel like Icecloud is an oversized hoodie kind of transmasc #(Shooting homesign pawspeak) YO MISTA WHITE...wing #White signs back 'we need to cook.' Scene comically cuts to them doing bbq

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bonebabbles · 2 months

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bonez i’m in the trenches rn… warriorcatshubofficial on instagram made a reel asking who everyone’s favorite adoptive parent is and 50% of the comments are saying gray wing…

tbf who else even is there. it's bad out here. All the adoptive parents in WC;

Sharp Hail. Beats his adopted child and fucking hates him.

Leaf. Spends the vast majority of a book yelling about how babies shouldn't eat until their mother kisses him.

Thushpelt. Precious baby boy, but only knew Bluefur's kits for like... 5 minutes.

Bramble "i can depend on my little pogchamp to understand that ashfur beating the snot out of her brother is totally okay" Claw

Lizardstripe, who was demonized for not wanting to be pregnant and accuses a child of stealing milk. Said to bite babies in a dream bubble that cannot canonically exist in tandem with the retcons they made 2 years later.

Nice Foster Mom 44 who is nice to their charge but barely shares 4 words with their "child."

Petal who takes the children that her favorite boy murdered, so that he wouldn't murder the kids too

Clear Sky, notorious favorite boy, who gets given the child of Micah, who he murdered.

Like yeah Gray Wing is constantly yelling at Thunder to go hang out with his abuser, and pining over how he's not Turtle's kits' Real Dad because they all love Tom the Wifebeater more than him, but at least he HAS scenes with them I guess. A couple nice ones where he gives piggyback rides, even. And the narrative frames him as better than nothing. So.

Anyway all of this to say the best adoptive parent is Brindleface, who was Nice Foster Mom #1 but was ACTUALLY relevant to Cloudtail's story. Cloudkit didn't even know he wasn't clanborn until Fireheart started scolding him about it! All other answers are incorrect. Praise Brindleface.

Honorable mention to Riverstar, who was given Moth Flight's Hydrophobic Child in the most dickish possible move, and yet managed to help him out. Crying shame that Spider Paw didn't have a big role in Riverstar's Home, much as I like Drizzle it was a complete waste to not have Riverstar's adopted son go on that trip with him.

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wc-confessions · 8 hours

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(About Cloudtail not being Ashfur's brother, sent by a different anon)

Doesn't. Doesn't Cloudtail deeply grieve Brindleface's death ("as if she's his mom") and even suggest an immediate raid against ShadowClan during the announcement of her death?? and Brindletail even says Cloudtail is her kit, even if he isn't hers by birth, in Firestar's Nine Lives ceremony?

Yall... He's their brother. I'm pretty sure Ashfur is even shown to be close to Cloudtail during the whole time when Ashfur's being bitter towards Squirrelflight. Like. Yes Cloudtail gets pissed at Brambleclaw for an unnecessary comment about kittypets, but Ashfur was very neutral about the whole "kittypets" thing because he KNEW Squirrelflight's dad was a kittypet and his foster brother used to be one. A character can hate a kittypet and still be close to one. It's called being a hypocrite.

Ashfur being Ivy/Dove's dad, aka being mates with Whitewing, would be weird even if he didn't see Cloudtail as a brother. Because Whitewing is basically the same age as Squirrelfight. Ashfur is even older than Brambleclaw (was apprenticed before him).

Just because y'all don't acknowledge adoptive family doesn't make incest suddenly ok.... this is such a weird take to have. idc if theyre fictional its still weird!

#text #confession #anonymous #warrior cats #cloudtail #ashfur

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notwarriorswiki · 1 year

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Does Cloudtail still get adopted by Brindleface if she's his mentor?

She's a mother-figure of sorts, though it's not accurate to call it "adoption". He doesn't consider Ashfur or Ferncloud his brother and sister, but does view Brindleface as someone he deeply loves and trusts. She didn't nurse him, sure, but she still makes a huge impact on his life and they're extremely close.

By the time Cloud is brought to ThunderClan, he's already weaned in this rewrite, so he doesn't need someone to nurse him rather Fireheart always watching over him and the other queens lending a paw as well.

Cloudpaw is not the easiest apprentice to work with though.

#brindleface #cloudtail #art #warrior cats #po12 #au #rewrite #firestar #ashfur #ferncloud

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hopalongfairywren · 1 year

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I always liked the idea of Ashfur being obsessed not only with Squirrelflight, but with having his very own biological children. His own direct lineage. It's not just that Squirrelflight left him, it's that she gets to have kits of her own and he doesn't. Of course, he sees kits more as a status symbol rather than just wanting kits for the sake of lovingly raising anyone. He lets the three go because they aren't Squirrelflight's bio kits and in his mind, they aren't worth the trouble of then having to deal with the fall out of the three and possibly Squirrelflight's deaths to cover it all up. He wants to erase Squirrelflight's 'children' as revenge for denying him his own with her. But she doesn't have any, at least in Ashfur's mind, so he settles back for the good old revenge via exposing her publicly, letting her and her family shatter. Also because then it can be less the over all narrative of the book saying 'adoption isn't as valid as bio parenting' and more of, well, Ashfur the antagonist saying that. Also yes I'm aware of Cloudtail being Ashfur's adopted brother, however in this take of him I see them both falling somewhere during or after Firestar's quest, and that rift only growing as Ashfur adopts the mindset that the only 'true' kind of family is biological, and his jealousy at how all of his clanmates have their own, except him.

#warrior cats #warriors #wc #ashfur #wc ashfur #squirrelflight #wc squirrelflight #the new prophecy #power of three #warrior cats analysis #the wren hops #also retroactively in case of discourse in the notes #this is talking about adoption in warrior cats which is removed from the irl politics of adoption #dunno what triggers to use for someone who believes only in biological family validity #tw possessive behavior #tw adoption #tw sexism #also no its not canon that ash is squirrels uncle that was rettconned out

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gougarpaw · 18 days

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“I don’t care! I’m going to be the best warrior in the Clan. I’ll fight any cat who says I’m not. I’ll be brave enough to kill outlaws like old Brokentail.”

Cloudtail is a long-haired white tom with blue eyes.

notes:

- Son of Princess + Oliver, adoptive son of Brindleface, brother of Zack, Taylor, Nami, and Livy, adoptive brother of Ashfur and Ferncloud, spouse of Brightheart, father of Whitewing, Ambermoon, Dewnose, and Snowbush

#cloudtail #warrior #thunderclan #elder #tom #c names #kittypet #lionclan #nugs art tag #alt text #wc designs

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cryptidclaw · 1 year

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That’d be awesome for Snowfoot to be Littleleaf and Dustpelt’s son.

I’m already thinking of Big bro Cloudpaw shenanigans.

Honestly it’d make more sense for Mistle’s name to be Mistletoe since Firestar and Littleleaf would know what that is.

Would Cloudpaw be deaf too in this au? Would be interesting to contrast with Brightheart’s disability. Like she’s his ears and he’s her sight in a way.

Does Dustpelt get his attitude towards Firestar resolved sooner since he’s with Littleleaf?

yesss,

Big bro Cloud would be so good,, The idea of Cloud being def being a contrast with Brightheart is actually so sweet, them helping each other out is so good.

ooo maybe Princess/Littleleaf was more motivated to move to Thunder because she learned that there was a deaf cat in Thunder who was a respected warrior and she wanted that for her son!!

Also yes! Dust stops being an ass sooner, it's a combination of having his sister Downnose replace Redtail as his mentor, and him meeting and falling for Littleleaf! Down is a no nonsense molly and she had a relationship with a kittypet, so she was determined to teach her little brother/ apprentice to stop hating on kittypets and thinking he's superior.

He had already grown a lot by the time Princess joined the clan with Cloud, and I think he got a crush on her pretty quickly, she's very cute and kind after all! I think maybe Dust started actually hanging around Little, because she wanted to learn sign for her son, and Dust took the chance to help his sister Down with teaching Little, "not because I have a crush on her!!! Im just being helpful!!!" -Dustpelt's lying ass

(unrelated but this made me realize that Cloudtail would not be adopted by Brindleface in this au, so he's not brothers with Ashfur. Ig I dont have to take into consideration his reaction to evil Ash as much, though he still grew up with the guy!)

#cryptid answers #cryptidclaw's warriors au #rise of change #snowkit #cloudtail #princess #Dustpelt

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canon-notcanon-warriorcats · 1 year

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I just remembered Cloudtail’s foster mother (Brindleface) was the sister of Brightheart’s mother (Frostfur) so that would make Cloudtail Brightheart’s adoptive first cousin so uhhhhhh. O.o

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the books hardly even recognize cloudtail as being ferncloud or ashfur's foster brother and they don't even care when BIOLOGICAL first cousins having kits (like snowbush and lilyheart who are both biological 1st cousins AND foster siblings) i don't think foster cousins are even like a thing in the clans

like you're adopted? ok, your littermates and adopted parents are your kin, but outside of that? nope, not at all (in some cases sometimes even the foster siblings aren't considered kin i guess, again like with snowbush and lilyheart)

also to be fair, cloudtail and brightheart were made mates before frostfur and brindleface were canonically siblings

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marmotclaw · 7 months

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Cloudtail

Name meaning: Soft fur, usually white, agile and balanced

Heavy, snowy-white tom with blue eyes. He has fluffy, thick, and long fur.

Voice claim: David Spade

Family and Education

Mother: Princess

Father: Oliver

Adopted Mother: Brindleface

Adopted Brother: Ashfur

Adopted Sister: Ferncloud

Mate: Brightheart

Daughters: Whitewing, Ambermoon

Sons: Dewnose, Snowbush

Foster Daughters: Lilyheart, Seedpaw

Mentor: Firestar

Apprentices: Rainwhisker, Cinderheart, Toadstep

Unofficial Apprentice: Brightheart

Temporary Apprentices: Flametail, Cherryfall

Personality

ESTP

Chaotic moral

Social

Platonic Love: Ambermoon, Brindleface, Cinderheart, Dewnose, Ferncloud, Firestar, Lilyheart, Princess, Seedpaw, Snowbush, Toadstep, Whitewing

Romantic Love: Brightheart

Friend(s): Daisy, Dappletail, Patchpelt, Rainwhisker, Sparrowpelt, Swiftpaw

Mixed feelings: Ashfur

Enemies: Tigerstar

Favourite food: Starling

#warrior cats #warriors #kittypet #thunderclan #lionclan #Cloudtail #cloud-#-tail #estp #chaotic moral #tpb #tnp #po3 #oots #avos #tbc #asc

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vaawdghwarriorsdesigns · 1 year

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Ashfur/ Pelage de Granit

Mother : Brindleface Father : Darkstripe (headcanon) Sister : Ferncloud Brothers : Cloudtail (adopted), Elderkit, Tulipkit

Headcanon : Whitestorm's Family

I don't like in the early books that females have multiple unattached partners. Given that I like the Whitestorm/Willowpelt couple, that they are about the same age and that does not create incest problems with the descendants of their kits, it's rather coherent to say that they are mates for a long time and are all the both Gray/Darkstripe's parents. Then I like the idea that Bluestar's blood runs in Graystripe's veins, and Thistleclaw's in Darkstripe's. By that logic, in my headcanon, Whitestorm is not the father of Ashfur and Ferncloud. But I like the idea that Darkstripe could be their father, Ashfur inheriting his coward. And with this headcanon, the handover of deputy between Whitestorm and Graystripe pleases me even more with the idea that a father gives way to his son.

#warrior cats #ashfur #thunderclan #dark forest #lionclan #ghost #the impostor #the prophecies begin #the new prophecy #power of three #the broken code #firestar's quest #graystripe's vow #hollyleaf's story #code of the clans #alternative universe and headcanon

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Cloudtail: Talk Mouth

Cloudtail is a lithe, muscular, light brown or silver tabby tom with unusually long tail and green eyes. He has short hair and a tufted tail which he keeps in an erect posture.

When Cloudtail is on patrol, he is usually accompanied by a number of his Clanmates.

As a young cat, Cloudtail lived on a peaceful farm. He was captured along with his sister and brother by ShadowClan. Cloudtail and his sister stayed on the farm, while his brother disappeared.

As a kit, Cloudtail was raised by the ThunderClan medicine cat, Brambleclaw, in the forest. There, Cloudtail's litter-mates included another young, lithe tom, Brambleclaw's apprentice, Ashfur. Cloudtail had been named "Cloudtail", when he was very young. After he had been fully grown, Ashfur also became Cloudtail's apprentice. Cloudtail never took a formal apprentice, but he often helped Ashfur when he was a mentor.

Cloudtail was raised to be a good warrior and in some ways more experienced than the rest of his Clanmates. He was always loyal and protective of Ashfur, who had been adopted into ThunderClan after being taken from ThunderClan as a kit.

Cloudtail has helped other cats, who have no Clan to call their own. One of these cats was Spottedleaf, who lived in the Moonstone, a huge, ancient piece of meteorite. Another was Gorse, who lived in Twolegplace. He had lost his Clan, the Clan of Badgers, when a badger set fire to his camp. Cloudtail nursed him back to health, which led to a close friendship between them.

Cloudtail has helped a fourth lost cat, a cat called Storm. He discovered her on the edge of his territory when she was badly injured and unable to speak. He took her into his home and gave her the care she needed until she was strong enough to escape.

The only other thing Cloudtail knows how to do is speak. He learned this when he was in his litter-mates' den. There were three of them. Cloudtail and his sister, Ashfur, were together, and beside them was Brambleclaw, who was to be Cloudtail's mentor.

Brambleclaw called out for the two kittens to come to him. When Cloudtail padded forward, the Clan leader patted him. "You're a fighter, Cloudtail," he told him. "But you have something you can learn, too. Look what your sister's doing." Ashfur, who was crouching beside his littermates, turned and mewed.

"Tell me, Ashfur," Cloudtail's mentor said. "What's that scent?"

The scent rose on the air. "Snow," Ashfur mewed, and Cloudtail knew his friend was describing the scent of the falling white flakes that would herald the arrival of the leaf-bare season.

"That's what you smell?" Brambleclaw asked. "Well, there's a lot more to Cloudtail than his fighting skills."

"That's true," Ashfur agreed. "He speaks for all of us."

"Yes, he does," Brambleclaw agreed. "He was already speaking to us, in fact, before the litter broke. All the time."

Cloudtail was surprised to find that he could talk. He started to purr. He remembered watching snow fall on a windy day when he was just a tiny kit. The snowflakes seemed to dance in the breeze and he was afraid the flakes would land on him.

"You can talk now," Cloudtail purred, in case it was not clear to his Clanmates that he was making a joke. "And you can talk louder," he added.

When Ashfur asked him what he meant, Cloudtail explained that he was sure he could make his furrows of fur speak louder, too.

Cloudtail and Brambleclaw thought it was a good idea. Brambleclaw told the two mews, "We're going to try. We'll mew 'TALK MOUTH' and Cloudtail can say 'WALK MOUTH', or 'ROAR MOUTH', whatever he wants to. All you have to do is say 'TALK MOUTH' as fast as you can."

"Can I be the one to mew first?" Cloudtail asked Ashfur.

"Of course," Ashfur replied.

"TALK MOUTH," Cloudtail mewed, quickly, trying to see if he was getting the rhythm right.

"Talk," Ashfur mewed, as if he were responding to a question.

"TALK MOUTH" mewed Cloudtail.

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if adopted kits are taken as seriously as bio kits, would ashfur even go for squilf at all considering hes brothers with her.. cousin? i think? whatever cloudtail is in relation to squilf n leaf

Cloudtail and Brindleface are two that have been a thorn in my side since I started reworking the tree and I'll get to what I'm planning with them specifically, but in summary-- an adopted child only counts one way. Allonursing is a common Clan practice and not every kit suckled by someone else becomes that person's child.

(I had to do this because I would have run out of cats and had to ban ALL same-clan shipping. Not to mention how I also try to get rid of steep age gaps on top of this)

So Cloudtail is not Ferncloud and Ashfur's fully adopted brother. He was suckled by Brindleface but raised by Fireheart, and was extremely close to Ferncloud growing up. He's Firekin, not Brindlekin.

But otherwise, when it comes to what I allow and what I block, I have Three Strict Rules

Rule 1: Three Generation Separation

I completely eliminate cats who are first cousins, which means they share a 1st degree grandparent. For an example, that would mean Swiftpaw and Brightheart are banned as a couple-- first cousins through Goldenflower and Lionheart.

Squirrelflight and Cloudtail are also first cousins.

Second cousins, cousins once removed, I usually allow those. Clan populations are too small for me to be stricter-- not to mention that Clan culture prioritizes "pure blood."

I have one MAJOR addendum, which I like to call Onestar's Exception.

I ban an ADDITIONAL 4th generation if two or more siblings are alive to remember the great-grandparent. This is because when I read Onestar's Confession, Onestar actually thinks about how cool it is that Heathertail is becoming mates with Breezepelt, his sister's grandchild, making them first cousins once removed.

It made me so uncomfortable I made the addendum on the spot, and committed to Onestar being an only child (son of Larksplash and Cloudrunner).

This also banned Dewnose x Sorrelstripe, which is why Bay and Myrtle are both sireless now.

Rule 2: Two Kit Max

A couple can have as many kits as they like, but only two are allowed to go on to have descendants of their own. All others will either have no kits, or a dead-end lineage.

So, for example, the BrackenSorrel couple had Poppyfrost and Cinderheart, so Lilyheart will not have surviving children, Nightheart is not her grandchild (IF she stays a BrackenSorrel child, since I killed her dad before she was born OOPSIE).

This prevents LionCinder situations where half of the Clan is descended from one fecund couple... though sometimes it causes headaches, like the ToadNettlePool couple, which I decided early on was going to count as ONE big litter because I'm not dealing with the headache of quantifying half-siblings.

The exception being that a cat can leave their home clan to have kits somewhere else. So, Dovewing, now a LionCinder child, does not count towards her parents' limit because she moved to ShadowClan.

(Spotfur and Sorrelstripe, btw, are getting traded over to Birch/White in exchange for Ivypool and Dovewing)

Rule 3: Queen's Rights/Sireless Litters

I have the right to eliminate a father. Sireless litters are allowed, and it's against the code itself to question who fathered a queen's kittens (This is not respected when the Clan swings towards Thistle Law).

I do this a LOT and it is extremely helpful. Brindleface's kits are sireless. Sorrelstripe's kits are sireless. Blossomfall's kits are sireless. Morningflower's kits were sireless. Rosetail's kittens (Spottedleaf and Redtail) were sireless.

So... Cloudtail

I WANTED to save Cloudtail as an adopted sibling because I really love the concept, but keeping that would be undoing two major things.

First, Whitewing and Birchfall would be first cousins and ergo banned. I would have to un-dad Whitewing's children which... it doesn't feel right, they're such a good background couple. Plus, without MORE fixes, it kills Ferncloud's bloodline. Birchfall is her ONLY surviving reproductive child, Spiderleg's bloodline through Daisy was a dead-end.

(one of my other fixes, though, is saving her grandchild Rosepetal, Cherryfall is dying instead. so check ME OUT world, i managed to save ONE ferncloud descendant. hold your applause please /s)

Second, like you mentioned, it would utterly eliminate the Ashfur/Squirrelflight drama. That's too iconic and fuels conflict in two arcs- it's such a MAJOR canon event that I have to fix around it.

So, something had to give and I decided it was Cloudtail being formally adopted. He is VERY close to Ferncloud though, and helps her raise her little brother Ashkit when Brindleface is killed.

#Family Tree #Bonefall Rewrite #Ferncloud #Ashfur #Cloudtail #Brindleface

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