people are saying he « led her on » because he did. the fact that he kissed her in the first episode set the tone for the rest of the season and if you can’t perceive the flirting I’m sorry but how?? he didn’t make anything clear he sent the craziest mixed signals in the world. there’s nothing revolutionary about claiming that Martha was being pushy toward someone who was clearly not interested it’s 1) weird to claim in what it suggests about her 2) factually not true.
I wasn’t gonna respond to this at first because the top half of this ask is pretty much just individual interpretation and I don’t really care about it. Like, no, to me, the Doctor doesn’t seem especially flirty towards Martha. He’s just sort of Like That. That’s his damage, you know, Mr. I need to traumadump on anyone who tolerates being around me for more than five minutes. Mr. If I don’t develop an intensely codependent emotional bond with the companion I have currently I’ll die. It doesn’t read to me as him trying to lead her on because that bit’s honest, and he does it with damn near every companion he’s ever had.
And if nothing else, because we do see Ten when he tries to flirt intentionally and he’s a fuckin dork about it. Kind of guy who looked up romance in the dictionary and took notes. Kinda guy who draws diagrams to maximize kissing potential. It would have been obvious even to me (<- romance-blind as all fuck) if he was flirting with Martha on purpose because he’s not smooth at all; he flirts like he’s gotten lines in a play and he’s super excited to be the main star.
But anyway, as I was saying, that’s just how I see it. And if you see it different, no skin off my back, I just disagree.
But I take umbrage with you putting words in my mouth. I never said Martha was pushy towards him. Because yeah, she’s not. If I implied that she was, then it was a result of poor phrasing on my part. Martha’s not at fault for what she feels, for wanting there to come something of it. No more at fault than the Doctor is for not returning those feelings. It’s a bit weird that you’re assuming that I think one of them has to be the bad guy here when that was the opposite of what I was saying. My point was: When it comes to their romantic subtext of their relationship, it’s weird to pretend like either of them are to blame for them not being in a relationship at the end of s3, and even weirder to assert that as part of why Martha supposedly wouldn’t like the Doctor afterwards when they’re. friends. they continue to be friends into s4.
Martha’s not pushy. She has a crush on her friend. It happens. He doesn’t return it. This also happens. Both of these facts are pushed to the extreme because he’s a time-traveling alien with poor emotional skills and she’s put herself in the position of needing to help him from minute one of meeting each other. That’s why it’s fun to watch, because the Doctor is both so open and so unavailable in turns, because Martha’s feelings for him grow and change as she knows more about her Doctor until she decides to step back.
I don’t know, man. You seem to be coming at this as if one of them has to be The Problem™️. I don’t think either of them is, not so definitively. I think boiling their relationship down to that is reductive and an insult to the way they both grow over s3, to Martha’s choice to continue to be his friend while also establishing her own boundaries, to the fact that the Doctor is able to let her go without immediately trying to kill himself afterwards when she’s not there to catch him.
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what did i SAYYY? it’s a known law of the universe. must have gotten a premonition, or as the sane people call it, sensing a pattern. rite of passage. their own little katabasis. once you’ve returned to the land of the living and you’re still excited to see more of the stars, that’s when the key that he gave you jangling in your pocket truly belongs to you, and there’s no turning back — irreversibly altered for better or worse
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hey, what's everyone's fave martha jones episode? for me, it's 'the sound of drums' and it's not just my favourite martha jones episode it's my favourite out of the entire show.
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Tenth Doctor Adventures Vol. 3 when?
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Modern Doctor Who: Doctor and Companion dynamics
9th/Rose: Friends who secretly love each other
10th/Rose: Friends to Lovers
10th/Martha: Unrequited and one sided love
10th/Donna: Besties
11th/Amy & Rory: Three Amigos
11th/Clara: Mentor and Student
12th/Clara: Mentor/Student to Besties
12th/Bill & Nardol: Mentor/Student (plus the medalsom bald side kick)
13th/Yaz, Graham, & Ryan: The Fam
13th/Yaz & Dan: Friends to Lovers (Dan being the third wheel)
14th/Donna: Family Reunited
15th/Ruby: Brother-Sister relationship
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EVERYBODY CHEER FOR MARTHA JONES SHES A VIRGO SHES A MIDDLE CHILD SHES A GIRL SHES SMART SHES PERFECT EVERYBODY GIVE IT UP FOR MY GIRL MARTHA JONESSSSSS
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PLEASE say more about ur Martha as the master au, NEED to know what that looks like. love Martha and think she deserves to do the same violence to the doctor as the master is allowed to do
missy gets shot by simm!master and as she's dying all she's thinking about is how much she fucking hates that version of herself. how he ruined everything, how he's always, always ruined every goddamn thing. she burns with the hate of it all. and then she burns with regeneration. and then the master wakes up and makes her way off the ship and a few days later manages to find a mirror and sees martha jones' face looking back at her and is like well. fuck.
(2009, and jack harkness is helping martha jones move house when he finds a fobwatch at the bottom of her wardrobe)
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hiding tenmartha from everyone who hasnt ruined relationships due to mental illness
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Nine would have thought Martha Jones was the coolest person in the world. Doesn’t even matter where in the timeline this was or what happened to Rose, he would have loved her leather jacket and her hairstyle. He would have loved that she was a DOCTOR! Her studying to be a doctor was so overlooked and he would have loved it. He would have thought she was the coolest person alive. Nine and Donna would have killed each other on sight
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MARTHA: But the thing is, how come you left him behind, Doctor?
DOCTOR: I was busy.
MARTHA: Is that what happens, though, seriously? Do you just get bored with us one day and disappear?
JACK: Not if you're blonde.
MARTHA: Oh, she was blonde? Oh, what a surprise!
DOCTOR: You two! We're at the end of the universe, all right? Right at the edge of knowledge itself and you're busy blogging! Come on.
no no see this is it this is it distilled. this is why i love this dynamic so much. because there's genuine hurt on all sides. jack was left behind. martha is expressing a real concern that so could she be, if jack was. she has every right to ask the question. but in doing so, they cross over two topics about rose that make it unbearable for the doctor to have this conversation. because seconds earlier, we see that he can talk about rose, he exclaims joyously that she's alive when jack asks about the list of the dead.
and then right here, they bring her up and he lashes out at them instead to get them to stop talking. and it's that they're specifically talking about the doctor leaving people behind. the doctor didn't get to choose to leave rose, he was forced to, and that's the part he can't look at, especially not when being poked at by Jack Harkness (living reminder that He Fucked Up) and martha (who, as always, has exactly the right question to ask, and who gets straight to the bones of him, and the thing is, he can either answer, yeah, one day he will leave her, or worse. that he will be forced to. like he was with rose.)
GOOD SHIT. good shit.
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Rose gets her own Doctor. Donna gets her own Doctor. Martha gets a lifetime of PTSD and a t-shirt that says 'I walked the world for the Doctor and I didn't get so much as a lousy t-shirt'.
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they are the best i don't make the rules!
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Doctor Doctor 😊
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