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poisonousquinzel · 4 months
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Thinking about how likely it is that BTAS Ivy grew old n spent all of that time fully believing that Harley died. That despite all her efforts and desperation to save her and get her away from Joker she didn't, she couldn't, and she lost her. That Harley died the same day that wretched man did and it became just yet another thing linking her to him for eternity.
thinking about how BTAS Ivy loved her So much and never got the chance to grow old with her, to see her heal and recover, to heal and recover with her
thinking about how much they deserved their happy ending but never got one. how we're seeing & getting their Less Platonic moments in the newer BTAS comics with the impending knowledge that the narrative has already decided it's a fate they'll never truly get to indulge in and savor, that it will always be destined to end in tragedy.
how for some universes a happy ending is given, growing old together is just the future we know is already there awaiting them... but not for them, not for btas harlivy... not the originals, for their story will always be a tragedy.
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toulousewayne · 2 years
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Batman: The Dark Knight Series🦇🌃✨ ----/////----/////----- Season 3 🌿🌿🍃🍃
This is a concept for a live-action Batman Tv Series that could be adapted on something like HBO MAX or a another network or streaming.  
Synopsis: Gotham City has been at the mercy of criminal networks and underground operations that have plagued it for years. Batman had fought hard to protect Gotham. Has the Dark Knight enters his third year he learns just how much more help he’ll need to accomplish his crusade on the city.  
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Cast & Characters Season/ Part Three:
Dr. Pamela Isley/ Poison Ivy......... Holland Roden
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Ra Al Ghul..............................Navid Negahban 
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Talia Al Ghul..............................Naomi Scott
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- Oswald ”Penguin” Cobblepot……Timothy Spall
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Garfield Lynns/ Firefly…..Matthew Gray Gubler
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Seeing if this was a streaming TV series the episode count would be anywhere from 8-13. For the first season will go with 12. Each episode is about 59 minutes, and I will give a little summary for each episode.
Episode List:
1.Polluted Politicians: 
-Batman & Robin confront Batgirl about Harvey’s new look and she recounts the night at City Hall. Meanwhile Harvey escapes custody and is on the run.
-Batman demands Batgirl hang up the cape and cowl. But she proves just how stubborn and determined she is to be the hero she knows she’s supposed to be.
-Dr. Isley has setup shop in the Botanical Gardens and begins her plan for her grand entrance.
2. Remedy Remedy:
- Batgirl investigates a led that leads her back into Batman’s orbit.
- Poison Ivy has sent out new plants to some of Gotham’s most influential citizens.
3.The Doctor is In:
- The Dynamic Duo become interested in a more green world. Batgirl assist Alfred with an antidote.
- Poison Ivy has began her reign of terror on Gotham with her pheromones dust and kiss of death she has become the Queen of Green.
- Dr. Quinzel has began feel like a lost soul. She feels like another part of herself is scratching for release and there is only on man in Arkham that can help her.
4. Wilted:
- With Poison Ivy at large Bruce hopes to find some solutions at Wayne Enterprise and runs into an old flame from his years abroad.
-Robin is starting to feel cooped up and goes out on his own and he assist Batgirl with a drug raid, belonging to the Penguin.
- Ivy is getting antsy. She creates a stronger dose of her pheromones traps Batman to make the perfect solider.
5.The Garden of Eden:
- Dick and Barbara notice a change in Batman.The two keep tabs on the dark knight until it becomes clear why is mood has changed.
- Harleen is battling this urge to just do something for herself and she has the Joker telling her to just let go.
- Batgirl and Robin reach Ivy’s lair and hope to save Batman and stop Ivy.
6. Battle of Count:
-With Ivy locked away in Arkham in a coma the Batfamily turn there attention to a new problem in Gotham.
-Penguin has re-opened the Ice Burg Lounge since being set free from Blackgate.
- Joker has twisted Harleen’s mind driving her into madness much like himself.
7. Old Wounds:
- Talia ambushes The Batcave and tells them her father is dying and she needs their help.
-Batgirl is left to watch over Gotham with the boys out of town and Alfred recalls Bruce’s first few solo adventures to her in hopes that it well help her find her place as a crime fighter.
-Bruce, Dick,and Talia travel to the Himalayas in order to help Ra Al Ghul.
- Batgirl’s first big Solo case since joining the Batfamily is to single handily stop the infamous Firefly from burning Gotham down.
8.Lazarus
- Batman must decide if letting Ra Al Ghul getting revived is going to help Talia gain the closures she needs or will Ra rage a war on Gotham.
- Batgirl needs some much needed upgrades to stop Firefly and Alfred knows just the guy at Wayne Enterprises with the right stuff.
9.Battle At High Ground:
-Batman and Robin are trapped in Ray’s lair as he begins to make the next move on his plan to cleanse the world.
-Talia must choose which is more important her father or her love for Bruce.
-Batgirl returns to fight Firefly at Gotham Golden Gate Bridge and she’s prepares to stop him.
10 The Demon’s Head:
- Ra Al Ghul and the League of Assassins have arrived in Gotham and are prepared to unleash Armageddon.
-Taila assists the Batfamily back home in order to stop Ra Al Ghul.
- Dr. Quinzel makes the ultimate decision that will change her left forever. And Joker is thrilled.
11. The Demon’s Last Quest:
- Batman sends Batgirl to Blackgate and Robin to Arkham to assist the Commissioner and GCPD with the breakouts in the city.
- Ra Al Ghul detonated his bombs that destroy the bridges in and out of the city creating a No Man’s Land.
- Batman comes face to face with the Demon’s head for one last confrontation.
12. Harlequin:
-Dr. Harleen Quinzel is long gone and is only known as Harley Quinn the clown princess of crime.
-In the wake of Ra Al Ghul’s defeat Joker and Harley Quinn takeover the radio station and put the Gotham Knights through a night of hellish fun.
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Cutscenes/ Directors Notes:
- Poison Ivy’s coma will have a
Transformation after her confrontation with Batgirl and Robin and Batman is cured. She will become of her comic book version. (I.E. she will gain a connection to control plants and become more immune to toxics and poisons.)
-My idea for Harley is she will go through a physical transformation too. She will start of as a brunette or something like that and she will have changes as she becomes more and more like Harley. (She bleaches her hair, then it’s not as polished or kept down, she begins to lose her thick accents,etc.)
- Talia won’t be a hero but she’s not has evil has some other versions of her character either.
-Batgirl is the only character(in the Batfamily), who will get a suit upgrade.
-Season 3 is the first time we see the Batwing in action.
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harley quinn & poison ivy
TW: abuse (physical, emotional, verbal) 
buckle in kids, this is going to be a long one.
so lately I've been seeing people talking about how ivy is abusive to harley as well, just to a lesser extent, but is as equally toxic as joker x harley. it’s been used as a justification for supporting/shipping harley x joker and for shit talking harley quinn as a character. so im here to clear some stuff up.
now don’t get me wrong-- harley & ivy’s initial relationship was awful, especially as portrayed in the 2007 Harley & Ivy comic book. ivy was pretty physically aggressive with harley and said some hurtful things. i’m not going to sugar coat it, because the beginning of their relationship was not healthy whatsoever. 
HOWEVER, keep in mind the past of both characters, as well as more recent media.
a lot of people know harley’s backstory and how she was abused by the joker. but i feel like a lot of people forget that ivy was also heavily abused. she didn’t become poison ivy of her own free will, and there’s a reason she hates men. as pamela isley, she was seduced by her professor, jason woodrue (floronic man) and he uses her as his test subject in his experiments, completely using her and abusing her trust. he nearly killed her twice and drove her insane. when the authorities began to close in, woodrue just ups and leaves ivy in the hospital. her heart is broken, she feels betrayed, and she swears to never trust anyone again-- especially not men. so yeah, harley isn’t the only one with a messed up, ptsd inducing past
as those who have been through abuse may know or have experienced, it’s not uncommon to develop unhealthy coping mechanisms and/or behaviors as a result of a traumatic event. especially when the victim does not get proper help from professionals or other available resources. for ivy, she became hateful to the world, trusting only herself. when harley tries to get close, ivy pushes her away in the only way she can think will make harley permanently leave her alone: physical violence. now i am NOT condoning her behavior or saying it was okay in any capacity. there is no excuse for being violent towards anyone, especially a ‘friend’. but i’m just giving an explanation for the behavior.
at the same time, however, harley isn’t exactly the pinnacle of being the perfect partner. she doesn’t respect ivy’s space and is actually quite emotionally manipulative. despite the fact ivy constantly tells harley to leave joker, knowing that it pains ivy to see harley leave again and again to go back to her abuser, she continues to do so. harley has straight up left her ‘best friend’ for the joker, and no matter how many ultimatums ivy gives her, harley always chooses the joker. if you have a best friend who did this to you, how would you feel? 
so yeah, they both had some awful tendencies and treated each other awfully in the beginning. that’s just the fact of the matter. but also remember the context: they’re both abused individuals who have been through hell and back, and who are trying to cope the best way they know how. once again, it does NOT excuse their treatment of each other, but it does give in context.
however, despite everything, they watch out for each other and they stick together. they see each other as kindred spirits, and it’s what brings them together, and also what helps them to grow together, both as friends/a couple and as individuals. ivy learns to trust again, and is no longer physically abusive to harley. while she does have some tough love for harley at times, in recent years (2011-) she is doesn’t verbally accost harley anymore either. harley has learned to stand up to the joker and that she has self worth, and has since left the joker’s side, breaking her cycle of abuse as well as letting herself have healthier behaviors in terms of her relationships with others, especially ivy. harley & ivy have changed since the 2007 Harley & Ivy comic, where most people draw examples of their unhealthy relationship. not to mention, most people in comics know a lot of things get retconned, but one thing that has always been constant since Harley’s conception 27 years ago is that the joker abuses and uses her.
but unlike the joker, who discards harley time and time again, ivy is always there for harley no matter what. ivy even went as far as dressing up as harley so the joker would shoot her instead of shooting harley. in harley’s first comic appearance in batman adventures #12, when barbara hits harley a bit too hard in the head, instead of leaving harley out to dry or continuing her fight with the batgirl, ivy pushes barbara out of the way to check to see how harley is doing. when she saw harley on the verge of death after the joker tried to kill her by strapping her to a rocket, she healed harley up and even gave her immunity to her poisons and toxins despite not being terribly close to the clownette at the time. harley, despite her dislike of bugs and the outdoors, willingly goes to the amazon with ivy to help collect plants. she makes time out of her schedule, no matter what is going on, to visit ivy and take her on trips. she always checks to make sure ivy is okay with her relationships (such as when harley was interested in mason, or when harley picked up a ‘pet’ from the beach). she constantly reassures ivy of her love and affection for her, and to let ivy know that she has her back no matter what.
no relationship is perfect, and harley and ivy aren’t an exception to the rule. as I see it, you can either see the old harley & ivy (2007) as being retconned (seeing as since new 52 they’ve changed harley’s backstory anyway) or you can see it as a starting point for the development of a relationship between two abused individuals with unhealthy coping mechanisms who slowly heal together and push each other to improve as individuals and as in their relationship, and who now have a strong, loving, healthy relationship.
if you need instances/’proof’ of what i’m spewing, hmu. if you think I'm pulling the abuse leading to toxic behaviors out of my ass, hmu. like i said, i do not condone any abusive behavior, no matter what the excuse is behind it. however, context gives new meaning to things, even if it doesn't justify it. yes, harley and ivy did not have the best of relationships at the beginning, but their relationship as portrayed since 2011 is extremely healthy and loving. 
honestly for just about any relationship in comic books you can find an instance of abusive behavior. do you really think it’s a healthy relationship for catwoman & batman to be together, given they have physically fought each other repeatedly? I honestly have nothing against selina x bruce, but one can easily point to that as being abusive and unhealthy. same goes for lois and clark, seeing as lois has constantly shoved away clark until she found out he was superman, and suddenly he was good enough for her. anything can be twisted, but when given the full context, things change. and that goes for harley & ivy as well.
but one thing has always remained no matter the continuity: harley & joker are an abusive, unhealthy couple no matter what context. (yes, even in white knight-- i mean the joker/jack didn’t even recognize the fact the harley was proposing to wasn’t even the real harley. what does that say about him and how he viewed harley all those years?)
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