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#she’s not trans BUT she hates womanhood. if that makes sense. because womanhood makes people discount her
compacflt · 5 months
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hi!! very excited about your next batch! but i was wondering if you ever think of posting some of the (wonderful) female!mav scenes you wrote (the question mark on my computer decided to stop working but this is indeed a question)
have a great weekend!!
yeah sure! again— this isn’t finished and never will be finished, I posted the reasons below. But here are a bunch of snippets from the fem!mav/lesbian charliemav AU from this summer. Would love to hear your thoughts, because politically it gave me some pause! lol.
1. On how mav survives (the central motif of the one-shot is Mav cutting her hair with scissors which is why the emphasis here)
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2. On ice (straight icemav will never work because fundamentally ice is a misogynistic cunt)
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3. on sex with girly girls (one of life’s greatest pleasures)
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ehhh you get the picture of what’s under the cut
4. on charliemav
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5. on charlie
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7. The end (post Layton mission [mav proving herself by saving ice’s life] and the end of TG86, Mav gearing up to cut her hair again in Charlie’s house)
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and here, copy-pasted, were the tags i planned to affix to the charliemav one-shot, which I think explain also why I stopped writing it—maverick is insanely out of character here!
“some discussion of issues that would affect a female pilot in the 1980s in this one: SA, sexism, etc. u have been warned / i would love to talk to anyone about the politics of this one cause hoo boy i had to think about it / it’s a little personal to me too / i wouldn’t necessarily say i struggle with my gender identity but i do have a really complicated relationship with it / i think this mav is incredibly out of character / it turns out mav’s thoughtless overperformance of masculinity is so ingrained into his character that / if you make it intentional he/she turns into an entirely different character. / i often struggle with writing maverick way way too bitter (there’s something very gentle about tgm mav I struggle replicating) / & this is a VERY bitter & cynical & calculating mav as well. she has to be. But i fear i lose some of mav’s original character in the cynicism. 🤷🏽‍♀️ / that’s why i struggle writing AUs—you lose so much of the original characters who are DEFINED by the stories they’re from / if that makes sense. / i think a female maverick isn’t maverick. / you might as well be writing original fiction at that point. / this 1 shot is pretty much just original fiction. / idk would love to hear ppls thoughts on the fandom philosophy behind AUs / something i would love to think about more / top gun fanfiction / charlotte charlie Blackwood / pete maverick mitchell / Tom iceman kazansky/ nick goose bradshaw / genderbent top gun / charliemav / in this universe mav and Charlie break up and mav gets back together with Penny according to the tgm timeline btw / TGM mav might as well be a lesbian like nothing really has to change in the script at all. / post 2010 tom cruise just gives lesbian. no change necessary / soundtrack for this one is ‘I have a woman inside my soul’ by yoko ono”
I also stopped writing this one because I could not for the life of me figure out how to write goose, canonically a sexist just like mav and ice. made things difficult and a little awkward
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genderkoolaid · 4 months
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I don't know if you know blue eye Samurai, but I hate how people talk about the protagonist.
I'm a non binary Trans man, and I actually identify a lot with Mizu (the protagonist), but I go here on Tumblr and I see a lot of posts that say: "I know everyone can see Mizu however they like, but I want everyone to know that the right interpretation is that she is a woman pretending to be a man... but everyone can think whatever they want, not forgetting that she is a woman of course."
And it's a bit annoying because when I see explanations of why is "wrong" to see Mizu as a Trans man, I see people going "Why can't there be representation of gender non conforming women!?" And "she wouldn't pretend to be a man if it wasn't for the society she lives in!"
The last one makes me especially angry, because of how many Trans men get erased from history with that same argument.
I don't know, I think it makes me mad because that fandom feels like a micro cosmos of the anti Trans masculinity a lot of Trans men have to face.
And it's not like I think it's wrong to see Mizu as a woman, but when everyone goes "of course she is a woman, why would she want to be a man for anything other than necessity?" I don't know how to feel.
I'm gonna steal my own words from that post about jeanne d'arc:
And the best part is, we can say all of this and also see her as part of women's history! Because women's history, too, does not have to be exclusively about woman-born or woman-identified women. It can be about a larger cultural experience. And Jeanne d'Arc suffered because of transphobia which is always fundamentally misogynistic. I would argue it even makes sense to say her death involved transmisogyny in a very literal sense. The thing about transfeminism is that it can free us from the need to view personal identification with the role of "woman" as vital to feminism. Being a woman, in whatever sense, is certainly not unrelated to feminism, but one can be a feminist and have any kind of personal or communal relationship with womanhood. Anyone can be inspired by the story of Jeanne d'Arc and her bold defiance of both misogyny and transphobia, no matter how she may have personally understood her gender.
People have this idea where if a character or historical figure (or even currently living person) is anything but a woman, then any kind of Feminist Story falls apart. Especially when it comes to misogyny! People act like someone being a trans man means all their experiences with misogyny are like. gone? Or the story is now, essentially, about a cis man being mistaken for a woman, and thus women are Not Allowed to feel any connection at all.
All of this on top of the fun hypocrisy that is "we can't say this person/character is a trans man because they wouldn't have that concept, but we can say they are a cis woman because those are both the only options and ciswomanhood is a natural and universal concept we can apply regardless of any other context :)"
& with Mizu its like. you literally can see her as a GNC woman. people calling him a trans guy or transmasc or genderqueer or anything else are not taking away your experience of her as a GNC woman. Transmasculinity is not just Negative Womanhood, the idea that transmasculinity is something which saps away representation/power/dignity/identity/value from (cis) women is like ATM 101.
But the whole way people treat trans men and misogyny really annoys me, I guess because the assumption is that for women, having to dress as a man to get respect inspires anger at one's position in society, but trans men are incapable of having any complex feelings about that. Like trans men must fully enjoy not being able to have sex with others, or go to a doctor, and having to live in fear of being outed and facing the brunt of transphobia and misogyny, and trans men also couldn't possibly be angry about misogyny that they experienced, and also nonbinary people don't exist and no transmasculine person could possibly be anything but fully comfortable being seen as a cis man all the time. Sure, some trans men are perfectly happy passing as cis men, but like. there is more than one trans man. & ignoring all other transmasc experiences besides The One is a form of erasure, it just passes as something else because technically you are acknowledging A transmasc existence.
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specialagentartemis · 11 months
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you bring up women and female too much... feeling pretty terfy tbh
This is so fucking funny. As bait it’s like you’re not even Trying
(for context: transphobes just found my post about why it’s important to not spread historical misinformation and they are mad about it. This is from a transphobic radfem angry that I said trans people exist and existed in the past too.)
Shockingly I bring up women and being female because I am a woman and I care about feminism and women’s rights. I firmly believe most people should! Being a woman kind of makes it pressing in a certain way though.
I went through the whole gender questioning and gender exploration thing, thinking about gender and womanhood and femaleness and what they mean and how I relate to it and don’t. I was a tomboyish girl who liked to read and climb trees and hated shaving my legs and participating in gym class and was resentful and resistant to Rules but also enthralled by history and particularly suffragists and women who Did Things. But also, for a while, as I started to increasingly reaize I was queerer than I supposed and felt alienated from other girls my age, I felt pretty disconnected from womanhood; I didn’t know what it meant to me. I’m aromantic asexual, and that self-knowledge was hard-won and required a lot of soul searching and fear for the future and trying really hard to be allo and crying alone at the dining hall. And the question of “what is my gender for, anyway?” felt pertinent in that regard. If it’s not there to structure romantic/sexual attraction and relationships, what is it there for? What does it do for me?
Reading feminist texts by cis feminists was important for thinking about political organizing and political necessities of combating sexism and misogyny in its many pervasive and awful forms, but it didn’t really make me feel any more of a personal sense of womanhood. Political coalition building is not necessarily the same as personal sense of self, nor should it be.
You know what made me feel more secure in my gender? In feeling like A Woman?
Reading the work of trans lesbians.
I mean it. Reading trans women lesbians writing sci-fi stories about apocalypses and AIs and identity, and realistic stories about longing and coercion and freedom and joy and fear and just being, is what made me go, oh, this is it. This is what it’s all about, this is what it means to be a woman. You get it. And you make me feel it in a way I haven’t in a long time.
(I’m also an anthropologist. Thinking about human societies and social constructs and performances of identity is my job.)
But if you want to read the work of the trans woman who really made me feel comfortable and seen and resonant in my womanhood for the first time in a long time, I highly HIGHLY recommend Jamie Berrout and particularly her Portland Diary: Short Stories 2016/2017. They have a spark of brilliance. This Pride month treat yourself to these stories. (This is a direct download because unfortunately Berrout scrubbed her entire internet presence, including any place to legitimately buy her work, but I paid a fair price for these before she did, and I think they deserve to be read.)
(I won’t currently link the other trans woman writer who helped my through my Gender Epiphany, because unlike Berrout who has gone off the grid, she has an internet presence and I don’t want her to get targeted by any transphobes camping my page waiting for my response to their brilliantly crafted bait.)
TERFs, and some overzealous tumblr/twitter users, want so badly to believe that feminism and trans rights are at odds, that if you believe in one you can’t believe in the other. That’s bullshit, of course. My feminism is fully bound up in trans rights; non-discrimination by sex and gender means non-discrimination by sex and gender. Bodily autonomy and authority on one’s identity are the rights of everyone. We need to end sexism and part of ending sexism is ending the belief in gender essentialism; we need to end transphobia and part of ending transphobia means ending the idea that women can only be One Thing and men can only be One Thing and there are unbreachable distances between them. I believe in gender equality and that means the equality of all genders. And from personal experience, I believe that trans women have a lot to say about feminism and what it feels like to be a woman.
Also I have a lot of trans and non-binary friends and I like them much better and trust them much more than I like or trust transphobes. So.
Women’s rights are human rights. Trans rights are human rights. Trans rights are women’s rights. All of these things are true, and inextricable.
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When I started therapy, I was actually hung up on the fact that I didn't seem to have ever experienced dysphoria, which is a lie that has its origins in part in the fact I had no fucking clue what dysphoria actually is. I've since found that it's actually kinda hard to explain, and that's why these narratives that dysphoria is when trans people are revulsed by their body and agab, or when they "hate" their past self, persist. It's also why these "trapped in" bodies and "wrong" bodies narratives exist.
Like. I'm in my body. My body is my body. My consciousness isn't in another person's body; it's in my own. And I know myself. I know myself well enough to know that I am not a woman despite society telling me that my bits, pieces, and parts "make" me one. And how else do I explain this to someone with no frame of reference for this? I liken it to "Freaky Friday," despite the fact that's- technically- what it isn't? It’s like having an out-of-body experience. You're looking at your body. You know it's your body. But there's also a disconnect. Something's missing, and something's there that makes no sense.
I also don't think I could ever hate the girl my parents tried to raise or the woman I wanted so desperately to be. That wouldn't be very kind to me. She really tried her damnedest. And she's not "dead" because she's a vital part of my past. I, quite technically, wouldn't be trans if "she" never existed. I'd be a cis man if I was never afab. "Trans" is an important part of my lived reality.
Was I ever a "girl"? A part of me still has no idea. I know I truly believed I was, but the reasons I believed I was weren't healthy.
I held on to a lot of sex-essentialist ideas for a good portion of my youth. Why? It was all that connected me to the identity society and my family was trying to raise me into. When my cousin gifted me a uterus pin with the words "Women's rights" on it, I wore it proudly. It was a very tenuous connection to womanhood, and it was a connection I needed to critically rethink when my mother and grandmother were both diagnosed with cervical cancer (I was 11). I knew that it ran in my family and that, one day, I might need to go through the same surgery they did just to live.
I asked my mom what connected her to womanhood, and she replied: motherhood. I was never, ever going to be a mother, so I returned to the drawing board. I asked my grandmother what connected her to womanhood, and she replied: standing up to violent men and men who denied her and other women the opportunity to work; community. And I realized that I had never been extended the same community my grandmother always had been. Part of the disconnect I felt was due to violence (sexual and not) I had experienced in single-sex, "women's only" spaces. Girls in "girl's only" spaces made it clear that I was not welcome, and, at the time, I didn't understand why they singled me out and picked on me.
Even though my family was trying to raise me as a girl, the society around me saw me as nothing more than a "failed" girl. I was an "unwoman," not "woman enough," for reasons such as what I preferred to wear. But it's not like in marking me as "unwoman," they made me into a man, far from it. They sorted me- on the basis of my queerness- into some other third category. Something of a eunuch.
And it seemed like the only thing I had was some sex-essentialist, cisgender pretense (I absolutely loved the linked blog post as I found it quite striking, even though I was *never* trans-exclusionary, and I never supported those ideas about trans people) to sort of reassure myself that I belonged in society. Every time I usurped or rebelled against our sex/gender norms, I would work to distract myself from how I constructed my body into a binary and thus ignore how being made into a girl was wrong for me. I literally disconnected myself from parts of my internal self & internal thoughts, and I denied myself the opportunity to construct an identity. I was constantly gaslighting myself and consistently engaged in thought-stopping. In part because I was terrified of being "different."
I so desperately wanted to be just like every other girl that I ignored the fact that I likely never was (and that there is no such thing as universal woman/girlhood). With that realization, I could hear the words of my school-yard bullies from years ago, words which, it seems, many trans masc people have heard in their lifetime, "What's wrong? We're all girls here, aren't we? We're all alike."
I've been unable to recognize my own dysphoria because I have spent my whole life purposefully ignoring and distracting myself from those moments of "huh. something's off." I spent some 23 years of my life essentially disassociating from myself (I'm 26 now). I felt detached from my body and detached from the world around me. It felt as if everyone else was moving, but I was floating in place. I disconnected myself from my thoughts and emotions in an attempt to be accepted by a society that finds queerness disgusting.
I literally felt like I was watching my life and body unfold without my consent rather than me unfolding it myself. So, I liken my experience to "Freaky Friday" because that's also what it is.
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aloeverawrites · 4 months
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Tw for transphobia and violence against women.
I think if you’re a terf on here you’re probably reading about how society pressures women to conform in certain ways under patriarchy. Which is completely true. And you’re seeing every horrific thing that happens to women and it’s sickening. And how women are looked down on by society.
And so if you see a trans man you’d probably think “oh this is a woman who was pressured to conform by society to avoid the hate crimes that happen to us. She’s just trying to escape womanhood.”
Like those three true beliefs combine into that which isn’t really true. And I don’t know how to convince them of that. I don’t know how to get you to believe my journey or sense of self.
So I’m not going to do that.
Just I don’t know. Maybe you don’t have to understand completely to accept it? Being trans is more an issue of bodily autonomy. It’s about being able to decide which hormones you run on, if you remove your uterus and chest tissue, what you’re called and how you dress.
The people making laws against us are banning those things. And it’s going to affect everyone.
Butches will be charged with wearing clothes “not assigned to their agab.”
Women who need to remove reproductive organs will be questioned or stopped and accusing of transitioning.
Girls who need puberty blockers will be kept away from them because they’re demonising it.
And I know these things are happening already. But they’re going to use us as an excuse for it.
They’re going to use us as a foot in the door because a terrifying amount of people look at trans men and go “oh yes they’re just women who don’t know what’s best for themselves and we have to decide.”
And that statement can easily turn into “women don’t know what’s best for themselves and we have to decide.”
So yeah you don’t have to agree with us. But please defend our right to decide. It’s fine if you think we’re wrong about but we have the right to be wrong. We have the right to choose over our own bodies even if you don’t like those choices.
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sunspira · 6 months
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this is really really good i've been trying to find words for it. it also leads into my feeling that a lot of white girls in general especially lily white american skinny white girls from evangelical christian south find words like beast disgusting slug gremlin as freeing and affirming and a departure from the restrictive dainty little box they were pushed into. but simultaneously a lot of girls who are not white find those terms degrading and insulting and misogynistic and not feeling to reclaim at all and are like "don't call me that 😑" because they have been boxed into a very dehumanizing and animalistic and dirty image pushed on them under racism and misogynior and have had the humanity to be seen as remotely delicate or innocent stolen from them for as long as they can remember as little girls. i think some anger towards her post coming from chicks who are not terfs is rooted in this disconnect.
i think miss cain is similar to a lot of white girls where she is completely unaware of how her white privilege impacts her self image and can make her oblivious to what words are inadvertently and inappropriately cruel and cut deep for women of color who love trans women but do not want to have their vagine called disgusting and beastly with thick coarse dark manly hair thrown back in their face by a white girl in an attempt to be affirming and feminist. by a white southern daughter of all things, which isn't exactly enormously privileged over me but comes from a world that is so , so different to me and a womanhood so linked to old americana and emblematic throughout media and is more mainstream. idk maybe if it was a black southern trans woman posting this it would feel more earned and have that affirming and box escaping impact for women of color. while coming from white queer people can be so sour tasting. now let's be really clear all that was NOT the intent and she was clearly saying all that directed at other white girls in her music scene who are very transphobic. I say this more the sense of us understanding why some trans women or trans positive onlookers from outside her very skinny white alt girl rebel scene found all that kind of obnoxious. i am always interested in how gender role defiance affirmation can be so different depending on if society has infantilized you or animalized you as a woman.
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i can definitely look at this girl and her blog and be like ok you're achieving fragile and delicate tomboy rebellious femininity better than me please don't tell me how gross dirty oily and beastly 'our' slug body is. like you're completely right ideologically and you and i should not feel ashamed of our bodies and being trans is a huge factor in this that i think gives her a lot more credence to reclaim masculinized insults. but every time girls like this do it there's some bitter taste in the mouth for sure and i think she passes so well as a cis girl who is also otherwise all those traditionally feminine things under white supremacy i struggle to see her trans marginalization over her other glaring privileges and perhaps that's why i and others felt annoyed with her too. which is why i needed to unpack for a while, both on my shortcomings and hers. not because she is in the wrong nor deserved hate but because women across backgrounds body types sexualities ethnicities races cultures nationalities have so many different forms of misogyny pushed on us. until what can feel revolutionary freeing and affirming for one girl can instead almost mimic the restrictive status quo beating us into a forcibly masculinized self image once again. this can be addressed collaboratively and in good faith though like by no means am i saying one girls masc presentation is oppressing or hurting me. only that some self expressions by women will feel a bit mid for other chicks and it helps and brings a sense of peace and unity to think on various greater reasons why and still love and accept gross gremlin feminism for what it is and the good it's doing
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thewinterwitcher · 3 months
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Writeblr Garden Flower Shoppe Event #1 - Valentine’s Day
I picked…
a lovely lilypad — describe your favorite relationship (romantic, familial, friendly) dynamic *in* your wip. how does it advance the plot, how it may affect other characters, what are some special qualities you've added to make it unique, etc.
I wanted to write about my older WIP in a cyberpunkish superhero setting, RIFF, for this prompt!
I think for all that RIFF is a story about Cleora and Mayara learning how to be in a relationship with one another, my favorite relationship is the sisterhood between Cleora and Magnolia.
their relationship
Cleora and Magnolia LeChant were the youngest children in their family. Their grandmother had a very strong pride in her family’s matrilineal magic. She did not like that Cleo came out as a lesbian, and after Cleo was kicked out, Mags left with her. She’d been keeping secret that she was developing magic and that she was actually a girl. The sisters traveled to north to the city the main plot takes place in, where Cleo worked odd jobs to support the two of them, and Magnolia went to school.
advancing the plot
The story of how Cleora saves Magnolia is inseparable from the story of Cleora trusting Mayara. She can’t do it alone. She needs Mayara’s help, and she needs to feel comfortable enough to ask for help. (And also, they both need Byrd to come to their senses and stop being a stooge, but that’s a different part of it.) Cleo spends a lot of time trying and failing to follow up on the information she is able to collect, and the rest of the time just wreaking mindless havoc to try to vent her anger. It doesn’t really work for her. It’s only when she’s able to open up to Mayara after they fight that she gets the direction and resources she needs to actually find Magnolia (or what’s left of her), confront her murderer, and release her with Byrd’s surprise betrayal of their employer.
After Magnolia returns, her presence is good for Cleora, sure, but she’s happy to see that Cleo has more friends. Cleo was focused only on supporting Magnolia and keeping her happy, and never really cared about herself. Magnolia took care of her, but neither could be the other’s only caretaker forever. Maya and Byrd and Maya’s band and eventually Byrd’s punk friends bring a community to both their lives they were lacking. But ultimately, none of that would have happened if Cleo had given up on looking for her sister.
affecting other characters
Cleo is/was definitely emotionally depending on Magnolia being around and well. Both of them really want the other to be happy, but both of them do have some people-pleasing tendencies. They need to learn that everything doesn’t need to be perfectly okay all the time to have a better relationship.
Cleo’s need to find Magnolia, and then later paranoia about her being okay, definitely affects her relationship with Mayara. It’s why she first starts avoiding her girlfriend, and it’s what causes them to fight several times without knowing the other’s identity before Cleo finally breaks down. Mayara tries not to resent Magnolia for being more important to Cleo than her, which she understands really isn’t Magnolia’s fault.
Cleo’s hovering also affects Magnolia’s relationship with Byrd a bit after her return. Cleo sees Byrd as a reminder of what happened to Magnolia, and hates having them around at first. However, Mags sees Byrd as part of what helped her get through her imprisonment, and someone who truly cares about her. They end up begrudging friends because of Mags’ unwavering optimism, and also because Byrd ends up helping Cleora without being asked a lot.
unique qualities
I really wanted part of Cleo and Mags’ relationship about the sisterhood between an older cis girl and her younger trans sister. Cleo doesn’t ever stop being protective of Mags from before to after she comes out, and they bond over discussions of womanhood, the similarities between aceness and lesbianism, and their connection to their magic. Cleo’s the first person who Mags trusted with her real identity, and the first person who believed she was a girl. I really wanted someone who Mags already considered family to tell and show her there was nothing wrong with her.
how they relate to their magic
For Magnolia, discovering her magic was growing was the first sign that the feeling she should be a girl was correct. She wasn’t able to pursue a medical transition until she was a teenager (did not have puberty blockers), so knowing that something in the way her family’s magic works recognized that she should have magic like all the other women in her family meant a lot to her. She sees her magic as entirely benign, absolutely a blessing, and very, very important to her.
Cleora sees her magic as important and useful, but also as something that puts a target on the backs of her and her sister. She almost never uses it in public until her rampages, and even then she disguises herself. Cleo loves sharing what she was able to remember and take from their home about their family’s magic with Mags, but she doesn’t trust that magic or the way that it’s disseminated is entirely good. After all, her family had quite a few terrible women because they were powerful, including their grandmother.
Cleo also fears The Joybringer once she learns that the ancient goddess is real, and reaches through to reality through her sister. She doesn’t want Magnolia hurt, and wants even less for her to have responsibility on her shoulders. But really, she can’t shield her sister from the world forever.
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ventbloglite · 5 months
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Let's break this down to some really basic levels. Is a female cat, a woman? Does the female cat 'go by' she/her pronouns? Does the female cat have 'gender roles' associated with it's very existence? Of course not. A female cat is a female cat. There may be some differences in mating behaviours and some animals do seem to have set 'roles' for different sexes, but on average a female cat doesn't care what pronouns are thrown it's way and is most certainly not a woman. At some point in history, the word 'girl' changed from meaning 'children' and 'boy' changed from meaning 'underling' to 'girl = female child boy = male child'. The word man used to be primarily used and in many cases is still primarily used to mean 'human kind as a whole' (from Germanic roots). 'Woman' as a word came later, though of course female humans always existed. Different cultures have different ideas about what a male and female should do, and what it is that makes men men outside of their sex and what makes women women outside of their sex. Sex based oppression exists, and is uniquely unfavourable towards those born female or assumed to be born female. A passing trans woman, assumed to be born female, will experience the same misogyny as her cis woman friend, but each faces unique medical misogyny. A woman who passes as a man, but does not identify as one, would still find that people's behaviours towards her are different to those of her feminine friend who looks obviously like a woman (based on whatever their culture deems as appropriate ways for a woman to look). This could involve more 'favourable' behaviour coming from misogynistic people.
A woman who is seen perfectly as a woman in one country could be accused of being 'immitating a man' in another country where wearing trousers and that's it is considered cross-dressing.
Intersex people, by definition, are not either male or female to begin with but will have a sense of gender identity and can be either men or women.
Cultures across the world have more than men and women as part of their default accepted genders.
Cis does not mean female. A female cat is not cis, because it is not a woman. Cis female simply means that you were born female and are fine with people saying you're a woman because of that. Trans female means that you were not okay with being told you're not a woman because you weren't born with a certain set of genitalia.
Trans women and cis women can both wear many different kinds of clothing and behave in many different kinds of ways and still be women.
The whole world, and history and modern times and probably the future shows us over and over again we invented complex additions to our existence as flesh piloted by electricity and we called it 'gender' and nobody can exactly agree on how many there are (don't be racist and say 'yes we do') or how those genders should act and dress. We just agree with whatever we're raised to agree with and hopefully somewhere along the line learn that this rigid dictonomy is absolutely barmy and stupid is part of why people born female are oppressed in the way that they are. It's why people born female and identifying as not woman are oppressed as they are for being born female and then uniquely for not conforming to be a woman. It's why people born male who identify as the gender associated with being born with a vagina are also oppressed in the same way.
Sexism is real. Nobody is saying a trans woman is oppressed for having a penis or having been born with a penis. She's being targetted by misognistics because misogynists don't just hate vagina they hate the entire concept of womanhood and all who display it and display traits of it because obviously to do so means you must be lower to them in some way. Trans men equally do not escape misogyny because of the hatred towards the female anatomy even if it no longer exists (via surgery) and the idea that trans men should conform to being woman because of it.
Gender and sex are not two floating concepts that don't touch. Their messy, interlinked, squashed and stretched and mixed all up with each other. For example, most of society seems female as equally women. So when misogynistic men stand up and say 'women should not be allowed to have abortions' they think this covers every person who would ever need an abortion but the statement does not. It excludes trans men/trans masc people. But trans men could not still get abortions because of it. If the laws only affected woman, why not allow trans masc abortions? Because it's the act of being able to get pregnant which is being targetted. Trans men are regularly grouped in with women even when they are no longer in possession of female anatomy. But a trans man is also not considered for a smear, or to be in need of services aimed at helping women and would be inherently rejected from women's shelters etc even if he had a vagina. Do you see how batshit it all is? Sometimes the oppression targets your sex, other times your gender? How it's all linked? How we should spend less time telling a trans woman, who will be subjected to all the hatred anyone who looks like a woman will be, that she just shouldn't call herself a woman and more time targetting unjust systems which decide to give and take womanhood and bodily autonomy in relation to womanhood at whim? (And as for the 'but then why isn't trans racial ok?'. That's actually a really good and thoughtful philosophical question. Unfortunately, instead of meaning 'why is it that we can observe people being trans gender (a socially created concept based on nonsense ideas about what biology means outside of just being biology) throughout history and in an ever evolving way but it seems that people do not experience the same fluid sense of identity towards other concepts of human existence, such as race? Or do they and we're ignoring it? What does that mean for these concepts in general?' and more 'trans racial isn't a thing so trans gender isn't a thing, there simply can't exist a thing like trans gender without every single thing being trans, this makes complete sense to me, that's why everything in the world is wet because liquids are wet')
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hikari-ni-naritai · 1 year
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I recognize this is weird to say as a relative stranger but sometimes your posts come off like you just hate being trans. The other day you mentioned how you're not proud of it, it's just the only way you can be a girl and I guess that just sounds like a miserable way to live. Also taken in conjuction with the fact that you are proud of being a lesbian (and I'm sure you don't mean it this way) it kinda makes it sound like you think being a trans woman is a pale imitation of Real Womanhood(tm)
Watch throwing these sort of accusations around, anon. You wouldn't want someone to think you're accusing a trans woman of transphobia, and I don't take kindly to the implication. Frankly I think trans women understand womanhood better than every cis woman on the planet.
Look, everyone has their own experience. Here on tumblr we love to act like every trans woman is a carbon copy of a polyamorous blahaj-collecting girl who doesn't shower and gets her dick sucked at every meal or whatever, but you have got to understand that we are all individual people who see the world through our own lenses. Maybe my friend is trans and finds joy in it. She revels in her ability to express herself through her gender. And maybe another friend finds hope in it. For the first time there's a light at the end of the long tunnel of self hatred. And maybe another finds Herself in it, for the first time truly feeling free and human.
What I find is a blessed relief. An escape from the curse of how I was born. I don't hate being trans any more than I hate the rope I climb out of the well I fell into. And I will gladly tell my friends about the rope and the well and everything in between, thankful for every experience along the way that made me who i am! But I don't want to carry it with me in the streets, smelling of mud and stagnant water, to draw the eye of every stranger around me.
And this is obviously not everyone's experience! Most trans people will probably not relate to this at all! And that's fine, and that's GOOD, because it's people like that who have the fire and conviction and determination to fight for our rights, to protest injustice, to make the world a better place. It's just not who I am. I am tired and burnt out and cynical and it takes every ounce of strength I have in me just to make myself a little better, a little kinder, a little more cheerful every day.
I'm sure this would be a miserable way for some people to live. One of my closest friends often tells me she works to get over her dysphoria by celebrating the things she's dysphoric about, because she can't hate her way to self love. And it works for her! I would never want her to have to live the way I do because she would be miserable. But also I could never live the way she does, because that would make ME miserable. I find that my hatred of my body does in fact give way to self love as it changes. The things I hate fall away from me like so many chips of faded paint, and as I begin to see the fresh canvas underneath I am filled with love for her. There is a joy here, in being a girl.
I hope this makes sense. I hope I did not come off harshly.
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you're so right in that reblog for real ,i cannot stand how people are so open to trans headcanons until it's a transfem one :/ i'm not transfem myself, but i did have a really rough time coming to terms with my own womanhood! so taking characters i've liked my whole life and interpreting them as transfem is really nice! plus it helped me learn a lot about trans people besides my own specific type and experiences. but people can be so rude and dismissive about it just because... i dunno, harder to relate or something? it's so annoying!
IT'S INSANE TO ME!!! like it's crazy enough that people will hate a female character that shares the same traits as their male fav but for some reason I was just…. not expecting it to happen when… transing the gender of the SAME EXACT CHARACTER
another thing is you'll even see people call their favs "babygirl" and feminine terms or even sometimes "woman-coded" but nooooo they can't be transfem I guess? they're only "babygirl" as long as you can still say they're men!
I'm not transfem either and I've only got a bit of a connection to womanhood but I also really like connecting to trans people who have different experiences from me (also in direct opposition to the ideas that some idiots have about trans women "enforcing gender stereotypes" or whatever, more of the transfem community was (and still is) welcoming of my being no-med no-op, resembling my agab, and using weird pronouns than other transmascs were at the time when I first was discovering myself)
but also while there's some things I really don't care about textually supported headcanons, there's well written media where transfem headcanons just… make more sense thematically and even just in not interfering with the existing text like- I dunno how ppl expect me to interpret Hunter as transmasc when her whole thing is finding an identity outside of the MAN that she is a clone of, and then with my icon and wife Jesse Pinkman because I cannot stop myself from ranting abt her, I understand that there's a lot of things that can be interpreted as her being stealth transmasc… if you can suspend your disbelief enough that this person that has buried the person she really is from people, including herself, under this harmful façade that he's had to adopt to survive has still somehow figured out enough about himself to have already transitioned to the point of passing as cis in an environment where there's multiple individuals that would be incredibly transphobic and have known him long enough that they would know he's trans, like in a show that has a ton of themes about change and revealing true self….. why are you bending over backwards to say this character has already transitioned or has even realized she's trans? and that's not the end of transmasc Jesse being a weaker reading of her character either
like….. I don't understand the need for people to have their favs be EXACTLY exactly like them, like I understand projection and all of that and I think that's good but I think it'd be good for people to learn how to find common ground in identities that aren't the same as theirs, or even think about the differences someone might experience in an identity that is "mirror" to theirs like a very fem transmasc person like myself isn't gonna have the same experience as a very masc transfem person, and it's important to realize that or you're gonna make a lot of bullshit assumptions, but like if you can't relate to the fact that you're still both outside of what is expected of your gender and being trans then like.... that's pretty messed up
this is a pretty disjointed rant and not at all comprehensive but like..... yeah
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ursie · 2 years
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Tell me about your oc Finn 👀📝 (also see I can do that too ❤️)
Adsgsgffsf help I can’t believe I’m being 👀📝 on my own blog..the nerve (❤️)
Anyway Finn is from my brother and I making oc X-men teams because we were bored. Our minds so keep that in mind that they’re designed to exist with the X-men today
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Sophie (Finn) Lewis/ aka Ground Zero
19
Comes from long lines of (very self hating tbh) mutants.
He/Him
Butch Lesbian
Absolute chad
Ran away from home. Lived in a very religious (pentecostal to be specific) mutant community. Lot of attempted “cures”
He was raised in a very conservative (and explicitly misogynistic) manner and has a lot of hang ups at doing anything traditionally feminine tbh. He can cook/sew/ect was taught all of that it just carries a lot of baggage too
Accidentally became leader of his group of new kids because he’s the only one with self preservation skills. And common sense.
Their team is called The Vagabonds due to everyone’s relationship to home, people, and the island itself (none of them think it’s gonna last-or that it’s a particularly good thing in the first place)-they’re put in their group due to their high level mutations + distinct lack of love for Prof X’s teachings. Teaching them now to keep them from being issues down the road.
Gambit is their main teacher as he’s stepped down from an active roll to be a house spouse tbh (and his prev injuries are giving him trouble). He didn’t want to but Jean pointed out that aside from the fact he’s actually one of the only good teachers they have-they are more likely to trust him due to his history.
Gambits actually a p good teacher tbh
He has multiple powers due to the nature of his mutation (and being a legacy at that). He can create simple energy constructs/barriers using his own strength/energy to do so-inside his barriers he can boost his teammates power/health/ect (using his own health. Aside from that he can fly + mild precognition (needs to focus on what he wants to know-and can only see ahead into the same day-needs to be at full strength to do so-can project visions on his barriers
Once he runs outa juice his hair/eyes turns white (it fading as he uses his strength)
Leader but is a support/first aide hero. Not a heavy hitter focuses more on evac/medical/boosting his teammates.
Jock just really likes sports-used to sneak out at night to play with their neighbors daughter (became his 1st gf-ran away when she outed him)
Very good at baseball. Plays on the Krakoa team.
Has a nursing degree
Is the mom friend is the dad friend. Hates it
Actually one of the better combatants on a technical level in the team he just doesn’t have super strength or anything helpful against most metas-and what he does have he tries not to use needlessly. Does use a Bo staff when necessary. 
Has a crush on Eddie and Zoey but as they are both in very committed relationships (and Eddie is straight) stays silent-still jokingly flirts with them though
Really does look up to Eddie because he has such trauma associated with womanhood and seeing Eddie’s joy with it and owning it and making is her own (Eddie is a Trans girl) really does make him feel a certain way lotta solidarity between those two (they are bffs-and tbh the crush does eventually go away and it settles into something much more familial)
Just dates a lot of people like dating is normal not being exclusive is normal just. Doesn’t think much of it and wants to explore his options but does eventually settle into a relationship with Amahle and Ivanna (a Wakandan and Atlantian mutant respectively-Amahle is a technopath and Ivanna has super tracking so to speak)
Very protective of Rosie and whilst he 100% gets Lenny’s fear and reluctance to come out does not like him leading her on especially not just to make Micheal jealous
Thinks Leslie is a ditz. Loves xem. Genuinely treats xem like zey’re 12 half the time (in his defense ze acts like xer are 12 half the time)
Lost his one of his legs in a mission (it was a choice) has a cool red one now.
Terrible stutter. Drives all the girls crazy nonetheless. Chad king 😳🥵
Body ody ody built like a brick house
Part of Gambits book club really loves reading all the books he wasn’t allowed to read in his youth
Wears a lot of lesbian slogan tees. Borderline misandrist ❤️
Rare long haired butch (his hair grows comically fast)
Really annoyed by the fact he’s one of the only members who can drive. Not annoyed enough to give lessons though. Remy can do that
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lavenderek · 2 years
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this is a trans woman fanblog y'all know this. just as a preface
last night i watched a ted talk by a guy who used to be a white s*premacist. and he left the group and now his whole thing is he UNrecruits white s*premacists
and i respected that. i wouldn't have the courage, i think. i'm a coward and i know this about myself.
but one thing he mentioned was something i've thought about t*rfs before - he and many of the people he's talked to ended up in the movement because it offered them a place to belong.
i think a lot of budding t*rfs probably didn't understand transness, saw people denouncing t*rfs, and felt chastised and rejected. and the t*rfs showed up like "hey, we don't get it either because it DOESNT make sense. you were right the whole time. here's a set of rules you can follow and be mad all the time" and they were validated. it's a welcoming feeling, to be validated.
like they ended up in this hate group where femininity is policed. there's like, a correct way to be a woman and you can't stray from it or they lash out at you. they want laws passed about it. it's so horrible and i'm honestly grateful i'm not a part of it
but it's like, have you ever met and spoken to a trans woman? have you ever watched a movie with her and laughed at her jokes? have you ever watched her light up when she gets her gender changed on her drivers license?
has anyone ever told you it's okay to be confused if you don't get it? because it is. you don't have to be angry anymore.
i can't speak for anyone else here. i completely understand and respect if anybody doesn't agree with me. but if someone chose to leave that group, a lot of us would welcome them with open arms.
you know what i mean? like, womanhood is inherent and valuable, and here you can be a woman in whatever way feels right to you. that's like, our whole thing. there's no correct way to groom or stand or speak in order to be a woman. you can just be a woman, and listen to all kinds of women, and protect and lift up every type of woman. including you. (i am pointing at you reading this and poking the tip of your nose and you slap my hand away) (but not if you don't identify as a woman. then i'm not doing that i'm just doing that thing mimes do where they're in an invisible box)
and that's the thing. i think a lot of them know that. they know we respect and support trans women because we respect and support women. & they know in their heart of hearts where they belong.
look, we stan growth and change on this blog. there is no permanent state of the self. if you find the courage to come here and listen and learn, you are wanted. the prodigal daughter. you can come home whenever you want to.
live laugh love put your hair in a ponytail or shave it whatever you want. i took my anxiety meds and i'm blogging from inside a cloud made of feelings. it's cloud 8
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cozbunny · 11 months
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a piece about my journey with womanhood
I used to identify as trans. I was confused about my gender ever since elementary school, and I used to never feel feminine. I didn’t fit in with other girls in my grade, and I felt I got along more with the boys in class. I would look at the girls sitting together and gossiping about who’s dating who, talking about makeup, hair, and new clothes they’d gotten over the weekend, and I found it boring and dull. Then I’d look at the boys, who were swearing at each other,  roughhousing, and just being “boys”, and I’d get jealous of them. I always wished that I was one of the boys.
In middle school, I started playing with my gender identity and trying new names, pronouns, and labels, to see what would stick. It was an incredibly uncomfortable time. I was surrounded by friends who didn’t take me seriously at the time and thought that me changing my name and pronouns a lot was me faking being trans. It was incredibly hurtful when my friends would ignore me or say I was faking it all, because I knew my feelings were incredibly real. 
At the end of 7th grade, after playing with my identity for what felt like forever, I finally settled on identifying as nonbinary. That label was the only one that made sense to me at the time, and it felt validating to be able to put a name to what I was feeling. I continued to label myself that way all the way until 10th grade. 
During the summer between 10th and 11th grade, something in my identity shifted. I suddenly felt more “binary” than in previous years. I wanted to wear makeup, jewelry, and even dresses. For God’s sake, I wanted to wear dresses for the first time since I was four! I wanted to be just like the girls that bored me in elementary school. I wanted to be a girl for the first time in my entire life.
At first, I was embarrassed. How could I have been so wrong? I felt like an idiot. Then, I felt anxious. All of the friends I had made over the years were all part of the LGBT community, so how on earth was I supposed to tell them I want to de-transition? I felt like they’d make fun of me and stop wanting to be my friend. 
I attempted to suppress my feelings. I tried identifying as nonbinary but presenting as a girl, I tried to say I was nonbinary and a girl at the same time, I even cut my hair and tried to look as masculine as possible. All of it made me feel worse, and I was depressed. I hated myself and just wished I had the courage to actually be myself.
After a while, I admitted to my boyfriend that I wanted to de-transition. I felt ashamed, but he supported me wholeheartedly. I asked him to start calling me she/her pronouns and referring to me as his girlfriend, and when he did, it all made sense. I was a cis girl!
My boyfriend gave me the courage to begin de-transitioning. I was embarrassed at first, but with time I got more comfortable with it. My friends from before did make fun of me, and even came up with crazy theories as to why I changed so much, which I was fine with because I wasn’t friends with them anymore. And for good reason. 
It’s safe to say that I’m much happier fully embracing myself for who I am, instead of trying to appease other people, and being ashamed that I was wrong in the past. It’s okay to change, and those who tried to shame me for that were stuck in the past and weren’t worth my time. I’m glad I’m me now, and not someone people want me to be. 
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preppyquate · 2 years
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no but seriously i hope radfem twt sees that post and gets them together because i’ve never seen something so anti black anti progressive and disrespectful said (if you change terfs/women to leftists or black people and trans women to trans racial). like being black and angry makes sense and isn’t something you get attacked for. but black men and the rest of y’all hate so much when women associate their identity with anger of how being a woman is enforced, policed, brutalized. like i would neverrrr be called miserable for telling a white woman she’s not black and her wearing cornrows is stupid. i would neverrr be told i see my blackness as misery because i’m a black activist that acknowledges slavery and racism and holds my blackness with respect because of all we’ve been through. because i do see blackness as strength bc of oppression, just as i see it as happiness and carefreeness outside of a political lens. i would neverrr be told i see my blackness as misery because bc i do gatekeep blackness from people that aren’t black at all bc it comes with more than just aesthetics, bc yes “you haven’t suffered enough(aka you haven’t lived in my shoes in this racist society)” but i have to be told that if i dare do the same w my womanhood im a nazi and a weirdo. but it’s the same thing.. the same logic though? like what do y’all have against women? and why should i be forced to take that kind of hypocritical craziness from trans women? from men? from you stupid non black non female liberals? i’d never take that from a white racist conservative??😭 nah cause my bio is really hitting rn
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homosexualprude · 2 years
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I’m rewatching ContraPoints like I said, and...
[/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pTPuoGjQsI&t=29s&ab_channel=ContraPoints “Gender Critical | ContraPoints”
Oh, shit! 
*Before we get into it: I’ll be using she/her to talk about Natalie. I want the focus to be on the ideas, not her own identity.*
“In the past on this channel, I’ve always caricatured TERFs as being like angry, man-hating bigots, whose only real tactic is accusing trans women of being creepy men. And there definitely are some people who are really like that, but I want to be fair, I want to be balanced, so in preparation to make this video, I posted an invitation on Twitter asking people who used to be gender critical feminists to share their stories with me.
And I got hundreds of responses, a lot of them from women who have had traumatic experiences with men and who at one time found comfort in a rigid view of gender where women and men are completely separate species, where women are safe and men are dangerous. And for a lot of those women, allowing trans people into their picture of the world at first challenged their sense of stability and comfort. It was difficult emotional work, work that they needed to do, but still difficult. And that makes total sense to me, like it’s very easy for me to understand why someone would feel that way.” Starting off here, she’s way more invested than ~feminist man-hating~ than transphobia. 
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“You know it’s like you’re not even allowed to ask questions anymore or you’re accused of transphobia. We’re all just expected to conform to this gender ideology that we the public never got a chance to debate. We didn’t vote for trans orthodoxy, yet here we are permitting biological males to run rampant in women’s spaces, foisting penises on lesbians, and indoctrinating our children with the ludicrous dogma that girls can become boys with a change of costume. Oh, it rattles my chromosomes.” Her caricature of gender critical people. The “foisting penises on lesbians” comment bothers me because there’s a very real problem with this in online spaces. I know because I’ve experienced it when I identified as a lesbian. In some online spaces, especially those meant for lesbians, have discourse about genital preferences and whether or not they’re okay. It typically results in shaming and guilt-tripping towards women who aren’t comfortable with penises. 
“And the same goes for people telling me, you sure do like wearing nails and makeup, is that all you think there is to being a woman? Could you define womanhood for me? Like they don’t actually care, they’re just trying to make my life worse for 20 minutes.” Though I understand why she feels like this is invasive of people, it doesn’t mean they’re trying to make her life worse. That’s assigning some intent that simply isn’t there. 
“Listen, sweaty, first of all, my girly voice is very f*cking real. Second, my clothes, makeup, voice, none of this makes me a woman. No trans woman thinks that femininity and womanhood are the same. Rather, we’re using a cultural language of feminine signifiers to prompt others to see us for what we are.” To the bolded: Are you sure? You may not, but there are several people who align with gender on the feminine / masculine spectrum and treat *that* as gender. 
“I think butch or gender non-conforming cis women sometimes side-eye hyper-feminine trans women because they don’t identify with this vision of womanhood at all and they’ve had to struggle since childhood against a society that’s told them they have to be feminine. And I completely sympathize with that. I think there should be more gender freedom, less coercion, less restriction. But also, I’ve had to fight against the same society that told me I should really, really, really, not be this, so, I feel like we should be able to form some kind of solidarity here.” I get what you’re saying but you do realize that you turned it around on those women, right? By going, “Yeah, but what about my pain?” This is starting to go in the direction of “cis women are just JEALOUS.” 
“Like you’re targeting the people who are the most vulnerable under the present system and the leveraging that system against them under the pretense of abolishing it. You know, you don’t see gender critical feminists in Kim Kardashian’s Instagram comments like, why are you wearing a dress, Kim, you creepy misogynist.” Natalie, gendercrits critique celebrities ALL THE TIME. Where have you been? So many people online hold her up as THEE example of patriarchal conditioning. And for you to call trans women “the most vulnerable under the present system” is tone deaf, considering that gendered scrutiny is very much a thing for women who were born female. We just lost a big legal protection of abortion. And back when the video was uploaded (in 2019), it was a hot button issue in politics. 
“It’s almost like when they say abolish gender, what they really mean is abolish trans people. It’s almost like this is a hate movement hiding behind a handful of pseudo-feminist platitudes. But surely, I must be missing something.” No. In the most anti-trans spaces, being anti-trans and wanting gender to be gone for everyone as well is a common perspective.
“But I’ve had cis feminists of my race and class tell me that I have no idea what it’s like to be talked over and interrupted by men. – [Man] Actually, Kropotkin. – Or to experience street harassment or to have to treat every first date like a potentially life-threatening situation and it’s just bizarre to me that they think that. Like, what do you think my experience in the world is? You think men treat me as their equal? You think street harassers are gonna treat me with dignity and respect because I have a Y chromosome?” Only when you navigated society as a man. Don’t play dumb. You were literally a philosophical scholar pre-transition. You were definitely “the mansplainer” more than once in your life. 
“Come on, people, use your heads. When you have Germaine Greer calling trans women it, what do you think the guy on the steps of the liquor store is gonna say? When a trans woman doesn’t pass, it’s not like society simply treats her like a man. No, you get treated as monster gender, pronouns it and spit, and male privilege is not a good description of that experience at all.
Once you start passing as a woman, it’s really a step up, even though women get treated bad, because it’s still better to be a she than an it. Now gender critical feminists are really skeptical of the whole notion of passing. They think they can always clock a tran and they assume everyone else can, too. But that’s just not reality. I mean, I’m only a year and a half into my transition and at this point, I’ve had zero surgeries and it’s been like six months since I was last misgendered offline. I mean, a person with a good eye for it will probably clock me and maybe a lot of people have just been indoctrinated into politically correct gender ideology, but like, you really think the gas station attendant and the nail technicians and the heating and plumbing guy are all calling me miss and ma’am because of postmodernism?”
Gender nonconforming women also experience this. And Natalie, you do realize you were an internet star by this point, right? Your experience with being misgendered isn’t going to be like any random trans woman. 
“I know some of you are gonna sneak off to your shitty little RadFem forums and obsess over how manly and clockable I am, but like at the end of the day, what am I gonna trust, the deranged hate-posting of 25 frothing anons or every social interaction I’ve had for months? I’m so sorry you can’t handle that I’m natural fish. I’m ahi tuna and you’re mackerel sweaty. Take a f*cking sip, babes.” Very strange comment, considering that you’ve never had a vagina. What’s the point of making stigmatizing jokes about a set of genitals you don’t have? 
“Many trans women are feminine and queer before they transition, and have basically always experienced a kind of femmephobia that is rooted in misogyny. Some trans women also identified as women years before transitioning and internalized society’s messaging about women more than society’s messaging about men. Now that’s still not the same as living in society as a girl from birth, but it’s also pretty different from the socialization of masculine cis men.” Femmephobia? 🙄 It’s not a hatred of femininity, but homophobia. They clock pre-trans tw as gay men. Femininity in gay men is hated because it’s viewed as a mark of their gayness. There’s definitely misogyny in it because gay men are viewed by homophobes as dollar store women, and the name brand is hated to begin with.
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“It reminds me of what in the trans community are called transmedicalists, people who insist the only real trans people are those who experience agonizing dysphoria. In both cases, there is a sense that the essential thing that confirms your identity is pain. What it is to be trans is to despise your body, what it is to be a woman is to be brutalized by men. ‘You didn’t suffer like I’ve suffered. You don’t know what it’s like!’” Not quite. Gendercrits view biological femaleness as the only prerequisite to womanhood. They believe trans identity is a way of appropriating the pain that comes with femaleness, not that pain is an inherent function of femaleness. 
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“But of course, no individual woman experiences all the things women experience and individual women understand the meaning of womanhood in drastically different ways. For some women, having babies is the most essentially womanly experience. For others, maybe it’s having an abortion. I mean, not actually, but you know, TERFs pretend it is to own the tr*nnies.” No, love, they think having a vagina is the most essentially womanly experience. 
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“But in fact, medical language that assumes that everyone with a uterus is a woman erases trans men and non-binary people who menstruate and get pregnant. So saying pregnant women in this context erases them, whereas saying pregnant people includes them and cis women and doesn’t erase anyone except for Cincinnatians because we all know they’re not people. Take your shitty chili elsewhere.” You do realize medical care pertaining to the female sex is a women’s health issue, right? That the lack of maternity and menstrual considerations for women, the lack of research, and medical misogyny are dependent on articulating the issue as a women’s health issue because the state is oppressing female people for their status as female? If we count all of the trans men and nonbinary people with vaginas, most people who get pregnant will still be women. 
Okay, I’m done here. There’s more in the video, but I’m covered the big issues I’ve had with her talking points. “Inclusivity” is erasure if it co-opts the movements of existing marginalized groups. It’s like saying “All Lives Matter” in response to BLM.
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doubleca5t · 2 years
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I'm a trans lesbian whose best friend is a lesbian who's nonbinary but AFAB and used to be a te/rf YEARS and years ago as an early teen, and pretty much everything she's said about it fits with what you said about feeling trapped by womanhood leading to transmisogyny. and even beyond that, from how she's talked about it, it just sounds like... such a sad mentality. like obviously fuck them, they chose and are choosing to be hateful, but it sounds like it just leads to such a horrible sense of self. like you're a woman therefore you MUST be suffering all the time. not to mention how awful they are to each other regularly
Oh yeah, like not to sympathize with bigots too much but from what I've seen, a lot of radfems are like.... very deeply traumatized people. Part of why they talk so much about "sex based oppression" in the first place is because they've experienced many of the worst forms of mistreatment and abuse associated with being a woman and are insulted that anyone (like me, for instance), could view being a woman as a fun thing that lets me feel more like myself.
And to be 100% clear, 1) not all terfs are like that. A lot of them are just assholes who refuse to listen to other perspectives 2) getting involved in radfem communities is an EXTREMELY unhealthy trauma response and 3) despite all this, radfems are still not worth getting in extended conversations with online because once you get deep enough into that shit it's next to impossible to talk someone out of it in those circumstances
So as much as I *want* to sympathize with someone who has endured so much abuse, they make it very, very difficult to do so and probably would not even want my sympathy to begin with.
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