so um anyway jiang cheng canonically does not consider wei wuxian a servant—let alone “just a servant”—and does not treat him like one. idk where this idea came from but it is factually untrue.
in fact, jc repeatedly indicates that he thinks wwx’s station is on par with other gentry, that he likes the idea of being part of a pair with wwx, and even jokes with wwx, mocking the notion that wwx could be a servant.
after wwx was taken in, they were functionally raised as equals, and there is nothing in their interactions as youths that indicates or even hints that their relationship was master/servant instead of simply childhood friends.
and obviously wwx is not sect leader, so yeah, he is expected to defer to jc after the war, (and that’s not an inherently bad thing, that’s how leadership works) but jc lets him get away with SO much shit that Would Not Fly if wwx were a servant (or treated like one). if jc only regarded wwx as a servant, there is literally no reason to be as lenient as jc was with wwx’s loose canon tendencies.
i’m sorry, but there is simply no valid reading of their relationship where the dynamic of their relationship is master/servant. their relationship simply is not built on obligation, as much as they both try to act like it. this assumption undercuts a huge amount of context and motivation, leaving nonsensical character decisions and gaping plot holes. there is no mdzs unless they care about each other as individuals.
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2012 tmnt bashing discourse incoming hold up—
Ok so, the bashing of 2012 tmnt right? We all know how it’s goes and I won’t get into it but this has kept me up for the past 2hrs so!
12 Mikey hearing about it. I know for a fact he’d be throwing hands with everyone in the room if need be. A conversation of sorts would come to mind. Specifically with the Rise and 2012 teams meeting and their early interactions, arise seeing how rough and tumble the boys are for being 20yrs old, especially with Mikey.
Offhanded comments about how ‘that’s kinda harsh’ ‘you’re ok yeah?’ ‘Why is he so rude?’—
And it comes to a point where 12 Mikey’s patience and fuse has been worn paper thin before he bursts. But not in a Raph way, no in a Donnie/Leo way.
12 Mikey commenting about ‘IDK man your brother seems hella arrogant.’ ‘Your Donnie has a easily bruised ego.’ ‘Your Raph is a pushover man!’ Maybe it’s Rise Mikey who finally just has him snap.
Rise Mikey: ‘Why would you say that about my brothers? You don’t have a right to comment about them.’
12 Mikey: ‘I don’t know man, what give you the right for you and your brothers to talk about mine and how we act?’
Rise Mikey: ‘well they seem harsh and meaner then mine—‘
12 Mikey: ‘and yours seem too over bearing and over dramatic. Listen, if I can’t comment on your brothers then you and yours can’t either. End. Of. Story.’
Mikey is a verbal combatant. While his older brothers Raph and Leo handle the physical combat like champs, Mikey and Donnie as the verbal warriors. He is his brother’s biggest defender behind the scenes and is willing to go to bat for them.
12 Mikey has LITERALLY been through Hell and back with his brothers. It’d take more than a few arm punches, noogies, and teasing to get under his skin.
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Is it just me or do some Bylers reach way too hard to defend Mike for things he was objectively wrong for? Like the rink o mania thing is a perfect example, Will was not being bitchy (onscreen) at all to Mike until the argument where Mike was the one who started it by blaming Will for not telling him about El’s problems. Mike was being a huge asshole there, which even he noticed and said Will didn’t deserve the way Mike treated him. He then apologized and Will accepted it because Will knows that Mike was genuinely remorseful and that he wanted to be best friends again. I hate to say this bc 99% of the time it is deeper than it looks but for this I just don’t get how you can watch and think Will was actually in the wrong.
i do enjoy a good reach and i get not wanting one character to be 100% in the right and one character to be 100% in the wrong in an argument and i don't even think mike was 100% in the wrong at rink o mania but when you back up a bit...what did will do wrong exactly lol.
do we agree with mike that he was a douche for...not telling him that el was being bullied? nonsensical. he didn't even know she was lying to him before the airport.
was he wrong for barely talking and basically sabotaging the whole day? a day el said was supposed to be about the two of them, making will third wheel and feel like shit just like in the beginning of season 3 and for months before that? right...because that makes sense.
was will in the wrong for not calling mike and for making it sound like it was his fault they didn't keep in touch? this one i can get behind but he would have let that go (the painting being a welcome gift doesn't scream resentful) had mike not made it clear that he wasn't interested in anything he had to say by...rejecting his hug, agreeing to the whole day being about him and el, ignoring him save for the vomit green joke, And not calling for months. if the first three hadn't occurred maybe will wouldn't have felt the need to defend himself when mike started a fight because he didn't tell him his gf was being bullied like he's their couples counselor or something
it's like you said mike literally starts the fight and then deflects (twice) and Then he apologizes...idk!
long-winded answer but how exactly was will being a dick lol. i know he apologizes for being mean to him and for pushing him away in the van scene but when exactly on march 22, 1986 was will mean to mike. i can see the pushing him away because he didn't call but he said he deserved the fight and admitted to being a jerk to el (literally HOW. when) and wouldn't let lucas apologize to him in season 3 so i'm not taking his self-deprecating martyr word for it SORRY
it's especially funny when you remember that mike trying to call will is a THEORY
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btw i hope you all know that at the mere suggestion of repairs that involve anything more than repairing xyr screen avec will immediately run away. ian tried to talk to xem about it once and avec immediately started running and smashed xyr face into the floor and broke the screen.
the janitor and ian are both of the theory that avec is actually just a sentient robot after this fact because they keep saying weird shit and acting like this
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i let the intrusive thoughts win!!! 🤪🤪🤪 [stayed in bed in the foetal position all day every day for the past month barely eating not texting anyone back hyperventilating and only thinking Certified Approved Thoughts lest i fall into all manner of sin and bring about the complete slow painful destruction of myself and everyone around me]
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i got back in mcyt about a year ago, and although that was through empires, i mainly got introduced to the new minecraft streaming ecosystem (or at least new to me, there were probs streamers back in 2012 when i was first into minecraft but for me youtube was the main thing) through joe hills streams. and joe is awesome, but now that i’ve gotten a bit more into some other streamers through qsmp, i’ve seen that the way joe does things is very much not the norm. but i feel like it should be. i think starting with joe set my expectations and standards pretty high, and then going from that to other streamers was kinda a bit of a letdown. like obviously everyone’s an individual and no one’s artistic process is going to be exactly the same but also i see posts floating around about discourse and i always think to myself like “oh this is why i rlly like the way joe does stuff bc of this thing etc ect.” and obviously it’s not the streamers fault that ppl are shitty but i do also feel that like it can be indicative of the community that a creator builds and what they choose to tolerate vs what they choose to deal with and how they deal with them, there are ways to encourage a better kinder community that i feel big creators just don’t do. of course joes not perfect and he’s only human and it is different bc of the difference in audience sizes, but i feel like these creators are just completely absolved of all responsibility when it comes to community culture and that’s not great. so going from joe, who is very open about his rules and the way he expects ppl to conduct themselves in his chat and his measures that he takes to deal with that stuff, to creators who are almost entirely removed from those processes, was pretty jarring
idk if this makes sense it got away from me a bit but i may make more posts about this another time
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