#so you take it out on orym

[yashley]

it’s okay just fearne freakin the fuck out in my head …..

#critical role #cr lb #imogen x fearne #imogearne #oh but the absolute way fearne is breaking and imogen is breaking and it’s cool it’s fine it’s it’s uh it’s well you see it’s #the way fearne shouted imogen’s name literally like stilled me #the Desperation of fearne furiously insisting they shouldn’t let her go 🤝 orym telling fearne she has to be the one to take imogen out I JUS #fearne meeting imogen with tenderness and watching as these horrors creep in on her and never realizing before how deep the fear of loss is #avoiding her new painful emotions and then tearing through her walls if it means saving imogen #also like bafta ashley’s face getting flushed during this i just #these two are just made of teeth that they can’t even consider themselves worthy of true acceptance so they smile and distract

[xandrikart]

#I actually wanted to take a break from cr fanarts #but nothing was working and I missed BH so much I decided to draw them #Here some over polished doodles #Tried to figure out how I want to draw them #buuuut #I was doing Dorian and Orym last and you can see I gave up there #Really liking Imogen tho! #bells hells #cr3 #critical role #critical role fanart #Fanart #art #I also meant to draw Littel Mister but no- #Maybe I'll finish him later and put in reblogs

[pocketgalaxies]

hi! seeing you during all this ep95 mess has been a breath of fresh air. you seem to have a really firm grasp of canon so I wanted to ask what you think of the recent discord message from Liam where he says Orym didn't know that Laudna was under Delilah's influence when she killed Bor'dor? I watched the clip from 4SD, & it's pretty clear that Liam says Orym understood Laudna was opening the door for Delilah when he encouraged her to kill Bor'dor & even says "we'll need that." But the Discord message seems to walk that back. It's been super frustrating being accused of vilifying Orym or infantilizing Laudna for repeating what Liam himself said. I just don't really know how to reconcile these two statements from Liam & it has me a bit confused on Orym's character.

hi anon, thank you!

this turned into a much longer one than i was expecting dfksjdkfs

so last week i posted this Really Long Ask about the whole discussion, if you want to take a look. but i intentionally didn't bring up liam's discord message because you're right! it seemed contradictory to something that was stated in the past, which was confusing

honestly i think the most realistic answer is that liam probably didn't mean for what he said on 4SD to be understood as such a strong and maybe even polarizing character choice. i think a lot of us heard it as "orym sees delilah as a useful/necessary asset that outweighs what might happen to laudna afterward." particularly because he framed it as something that made the whole situation "even creepier," and during that same convo, marisha was emphasizing the psychological impact that killing bor'dor had on laudna. it's a strong stance and it reflects what orym is doing to himself (handing his endgame over to the questionably fickle nana morri to increase their chances of success against ludinus)

but i suppose liam's clarification suggests that he meant it in a softer, more practically level-headed way, like "orym knew he couldn't do a whole lot about delilah's return but he also thought it could have benefits," or something along those lines. they're obviously two hugely different interpretations with pretty big implications on how we understand orym's relationship with laudna

i'm not a connoisseur of orym's character by ANY means so i can't confidently tell you what the change might mean from a narrative perspective, but i personally still prefer the former stronger stance. because i think it raises interesting questions about how orym views his own place in this war and whether or not it's valid for him to (intentionally or subconsciously) project that placement onto the other party members. is it okay for orym to expect the same level of personal sacrifice from laudna, or imogen with predathos (a whole separate can of worms), or anyone else? is it safe? etc etc. but maybe liam doesn't want to go in that direction, or maybe he does but just not in the way we expect, i don't know! only time will tell!

also regardless of what he meant, i think it's important to acknowledge that it's really easy and completely understandable to feel like he was walking something back. that episode of 4SD was almost a whole year ago! many of us built that statement into our perception and understanding of orym's character for a long time, so it's totally valid to go "wait what the fuck???" when liam suddenly pops into the discord to say that's not what he meant. those feelings are valid and real! especially when discourse can already make you question your own intelligence and your personal interpretations of a story, having that pillar, as big or small as it might've been in your mind, knocked over can be really jarring. you are very much not alone in that, and it's okay!!

#hope this helps? #anonymous #ask #answered #critical role #cr fandom #cr negativity #cr meta #nova shh #for the record i think the wording of his discord message is super flimsy compared to what he said on 4SD #which only made it easier for me to feel like he was just sticking his nose in discourse to try and defend his character #which - during what was very clearly taking shape as an orym vs. laudna argument - made me feel like liam was shitting on my feelings #i'm OBVIOUSLY not saying that's what his intentions were but i can't logic my way out of my initial rage reaction to a discord screenshot #and it just illustrates the dangers of cast members directly involving themselves in fandom discourse #which i kinda thought the cast maybe wasn't ever ever gonna do again....after c1 reddit....after bowlgate.......etc....... #saying vaguely defensive stuff when two parts of a fandom are at each other's throats only adds fuel to the fire. it clears up fuck all #and it gives people more reasons to agree or disagree with each other and point to your vague-ass message as evidence #so really. not that you asked but. i really think he shouldn't have said it lmao. bc ppl got Even Nastier after he did #¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's out there now! what can you do!

[broodygaming]

Hey, I love women, I'm a lesbian, Beau and Yasha are my fav couple to exist in fiction, I adore Laudna and Imogen.

I'm ALSO super stoked that Dorian is back and that Orym is getting a cool moment to have some comfort and care, the lad needs it.

We really need to lift each other up. One person getting spotlight is not taking away from anyone else. It'll be okay.

There's a LOT of sexism and violence and hate towards women in "nerd spaces". With this being true, it seems super super unhelpful and in fact, willfully hurtful, to try and twist scenarios into being "misogynistic" when they're not. Call it out when it's really happening and let go of the rest. Just because YOU don't like what character is getting attention it does not mean that that plot happening is a direct attack on YOU or your gender.

Enjoy fiction, stand up for those who can't advocate for themselves and support queer people. Cmon. Celebrate a story about love and friendship and connections. It's a long long ass story, there will be PLENTY of wlw content to come.

SUPPORT each other!! We're all we have.

#it really icks me out tbh and like ? i dont want to be lumped in with that kind of wlw fan #HEY! I love laudna and imogen AND orym we do exist 🙃 #critical role #this is me vague blogging at the ask that's in the cr discourse tag #i dont want to tag them that seems aggressive but i also dont want to beat around the bush about it #it's actually harmful to imply that mlm relationships are somehow actively taking away from wlw #support each other fam we're all we have #wild to think that a reunion that's been building for multiple irl years has ppl excited #so hurtful to put people down for that or imply they're misogynistic for being excited when #when imodna became canon CR trended on twitter for like a full day #people care!! jeez!!! it's not that deep!!! you can like both things it'll be okay!!!

[septembermonologues]

man i know im biased because he is my favorite but i just feel like some people are making orym out to be more bloodthirsty than he is. i don't think im 'uwuifying him' or whatever and maybe i need to rewatch thursdays episode but i just dont think him realizing and accepting that he can't keep trying to peace talk his way through a cult anymore is the same as him going Dark Orym, you know. not while they're facing the gods-sized, world-changing problem that they are.

#like it a little bit feels like some ppl are trying to force orym into a 'caleb went dark' sized shoe they didn't get to use #'uwuifying him' is a real thing someone actually said with their full chest on twitter dot com #taking some risks putting my takes more directly out there but so many orym takes are majorly bumming me out #and maybe im just talking in circles but man #also #technically my second favorite (dorian i will never let you go babygirl) #k watches cr3 #c3e63 #ig #cr spoilers #critical role

[soldier-poet-king]

Normal people keep an ongoing list of Despair Characters on their phone. They gotta have some combo of depression, terrible circumstances, isolation, grief, and a commitment to Duty or a sense of Fundamental Decency that makes them drag themselves through the Horrors even though they're Unending. Often they die or are sole survivors left to live with the grief.

Crucially, they CANNOT have a happy ending. Bittersweet and melancholy and full of grief, with maybe some slight hope? Sure. But happy? Illegal. There will be no rewards for Goodness, it must be Obeyed and Pursued anyway

#the duality of fran #<-i promise i am a normal guy with normal feelings and motivations and not at all neurotic depressed #vimes starts out like this but gets to heal. as does caleb. so they dont count #orym is still up in the air #thara isnt finished yet but even if he gets with iana #i dont see k addision wrapping it uo neatly with a bow #that would cheapen the story shes put so much effort into crafting (i admit i am a little afraid. the list started with thara) #i dont actually know how Andrej ends yet either. but for now. he gets a spot #oural of glome would count except for the very ending of the book when she is transfigured. NOT ALLOWED #gabriel syme also is almost this #anyway. you picking up what im putting down??? ykwim???? #always taking suggestions for the kind of guy who keeps me alive and functional #if also. miserable. #smthn about the most miserable ppl on earth still trying to be good. its. the most important thing to me specifically #fran its not that deep you are simply self loathing and depressed. #well. its. its my whole life. thats what i am. it IS that deep. its my soul. the only thing i am. #once i actually finish the brothers k its over for yall #i keep startint and then having to stop. bc. im insane #also knowing cr orym will probs get a happy ending with dorian. #but for NOW. in my sad kindhearted windower heart. he fits

[acebabecd]

I'm thinking about how after Dorian gave away the sending stone there were fics of Orym getting upset and worried at him about it, only for Orym's canon reaction to be a simple, "That makes sense."

I'm wondering which way Dorian's reaction is gonna fall when he finds out about the deal with Nana Morri. Is he going to be angry about the hypocrisy, about Orym putting himself in a dangerous situation? Or is he going to surprise us and come to it with understanding?

#Cr spoilers #I think it will depend on how he finds out #If Orym opens with an apology and saying 'I get why you made that deal with Lolth now' he might take it easier #Dorian does have a bit of a temper and this is a bigger deal so I'm leaning towards angry #But this is why I say the calm and understanding reaction would be surprising

[oddthesungod]

oh fuck YEAH, Orym confirmed only into guys, a win for the gays fellas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#text post #crit role watchin' #im up to ep 27 btw #'i'm only into guys' ORYM YOU ARE SO FUCKING CUTE WHAT THE FUCK #like yeah we knew Orym had a husband and shit and was MLM but like #as a gay man knowing Orym is also a gay man is pretty special to me idk idk idk #feels good #feels real fuckin good #ANYWAY I TAKE THE IDEA OF A FEARNE/ORYM/DORIAN THROUPLE BACK THEY ARE JUST HOLDING HANDS NOT SMOOCHIN #orym is def smoochin dorian tho #in my dreams fr #shout out to liam for being an mvp to the gays

[humanbeanisnotamused]

Ashton's answering FCG questions again.

The hells don't treat FCG like a thing but they do, often, treat them like a child.

#critical role #bells hells #it was a thing i noticed in earlier episodes #like what the fuck is up with that level early #if they asked say dorian a personal question they might glance at fearne or orym to see if they knew anything #but FCG questions were directed almost equally at FCG and at ashton #which: i think chetney deserved to get buzzsawed a little! he was treating FCG like a thing! #like. balancing in character and out of character is always a thing and especially More in a real play dnd game #so like i know 'turn it off' was just. a joke. out of character #but in character fcg takes a swing and the first thing chetney says is turn it off #imogen triages like a person; detect thoughts #determines he's upset but not what to do about that #chetney does not triage like a person. he triages like a thing. whack it to see if it works #back out to meta reasons: travis was bear poking #as travis is wont to do #back into character: if you treat a person like a thing then that person is legally allowed to buzzsaw you

[towards-toramunda]

Liam O’Brien thank you so much for saying this (I was getting so tired of the “the tiny nod of the head was the only reason Delilah came back this is literally all Orym’s fault he knew exactly what would happen he personally caused Laudna’s suffering” bs cause… my lil guy isn’t very magically inclined, he didn’t know exactly what she was doing, he just thought she should take him out because if she didn’t he would’ve)

#critical role #orym of the air ashari #laudna #can people stop blaming Orym for all of Laudna’s warlock pact now please? #I think Marisha is telling a really cool story and its a touch weird to me that people keep trying to put all of it on Orym’s shoulders

[mossbone]

As someone who absolutely despises conflict and bad communication in my real life, can I just say fictional drama in a safe space is sooo tasty. Laudna and Orym were absolutely having two completely different conversations, and Laudna's half of it was poisoned by Delilah.

And then Chetney stepped in and I thought, thank god, because Travis is so good at playing him as the unexpected voice of reason. But then his "compromise" was for Orym to keep the TraumaBlade2000 and for Laudna to feed Delilah a different source of power and y'all...my heart dropped.

You know what else Chetney loves to do? Test people he doesn't trust. He's done it many times to NPC's, sometimes provoking them to see how they treat people under them, other times questioning them to see where their motivations really lie. Here he tested Laudna's motivations. If she really feared Otohan's blade was cursed, if she really just wanted to get it away from Orym and have it destroyed...or if she wanted more power for herself (Delilah).

And she chose to take the separate source of power and leave Orym with Ishta.

Above the table, I think Laudna was doing this in a half-dazed state, choosing the easy way out of the conflict, still partially under Delilah's influence - magical or not. But in-game that's not the message that got across to Chetney. He saw her choose power over concern for her friends. What he is going to do with that knowledge I don't know, but am very excited to see.

#bells hells #cr3 #chetney pock o'pea #laudna cr #c3e95 #cr spoilers #like after he cold-clocked Yu was literally hunting one of the party member's parents he kept it to himself. #plus a hundred other character moments since. Chetney has never been the moral one of the group. #so I genuinely don't know what he'll do with the info other than destroy me emotionally later

[simplysparrow14]

THIS👏🏻EPISODE👏🏻HAD👏🏻EVERYTHING👏🏻

Callowmoore right out of the gate, a reunion hug followed by fearne's "sorry" because both of them are so sore from their moon adventure

Ashton asking if Fearne wanted company and Fearne responds with "I would love some company, but can we just hold onto each other?"

Travis "#1 Callowmoore shipper" going "Someone should draw that" to the audience before hiding his face.

Also Shipper in Chief Laura Bailey

Everyone doing reaction faces as Ashton and Fearne going to bed.

Fearne Big-Spooning Ashton

Zathuda, being the evil helicopter dad that he is, seeing his daughter cuddling with a boy really said "No daughter of mine" and lured her away

Ashton waking up, not feeling Fearne and knowing instantly that something was wrong with her

Ashton demanding Chetney to find Fearne (and orym) going, "Find. THEM. NOW."

Chetney using his canine nose to sniff out fearne...only to turn him in a circle right back to Ashton. and Chetney just going:

while Ashton just full on an inch away from chocking this old man out.

Ashton and Gang finding Fearne and Ashton, knowing that she is more than exaushted, letting her take his hand and help her over the wall going "Next time, take someone with you. Take a buddy" ("AKA ME")

in conclusion:

that dumb rock is deeply in love with that goat woman. I rest my case.

#critical role #fearne calloway #ashton greymoore #critical role spoilers #orym of the air ashari #imogen temult #fearne x ashton #callowmoore #chetney pock o'pea #critical role campaign 3 spoilers

[rucksackmentality]

List of the truths shared in Nana Morri's Honesty trial (C3E79):

Imogen: I am genuinely scared to meet my mom again.

Laudna: Deep down inside, both Delilah and I want the shard...Fearne should have it, but I don't know anymore what's my opinion or desires or feelings, or hers.

Imogen: I love Laudna deeply but I'm disgusted at the thought of Delilah looking at us all the time.

Orym: I'm super lonely all the time, especially at night. It doesn’t matter if I'm bunking with one of you guys.

FCG: Sometimes I pity some of you because you have beating hearts and opportunities and you don’t do enough with them...Chetney, you have so much love to give and it doesn't seem like you're interested in anything other than wood! There's people out there who you could love and experiences you could share with someone else, but all you care about is wood!

Orym: I've always kind of laughed it off but I guess I do kind of wonder if Chetney is my dad.

Ashton: I am the reason that the Jiana Hexum robbery went fucking wrong, and the reason why I got thrown out of a fucking window.

Fearne: I feel like we’re very ill-equipped for this job and we're going to fail at saving the world. (Laudna: Honestly that's probably true, I'm right there with you.)

Chetney: While wood may be the superior material to metal, I do fear that, with the dwindling interest in it, that children will find my toys - and thereby myself - obsolete every year I grow older.

FCG: I think it's something buried deep down in my circuitry, but every time I hurt or kill something - it feels really good. It makes me sort of relax a little bit and some of my stress goes away.

Imogen: I know we're supposed to save the gods, but I've tried talking to them my whole life and none of them would ever respond. I think I'm tainted. I dont know if I want to save gods that don't love me.

Laudna: You know we could rip-cord out of [saving the world] at any moment...right? And sometimes I fantasize about it all the time.

Fearne: I sometimes do stuff to you guys while you're sleeping - not weird stuff, I just like to look at you closely...and maybe like, twiddle your hair or braid it. Nothing bad!

Ashton: Whenever it starts to get quiet, I start worrying that one of us - most of us - are going to end up killing another one of us accidentally...I have panicked thinking about when one you kills another one of us.

Orym: I have all the faith in the world in you guys...and I have also spent time thinking of how to neutralize each of you.

FCG: I kinda worry that I put all my eggs in the Changebringer basket and she might betray us all. I had a really weird conversation with her and I think she's just out for herself and she might not really care about me - but what if she does? And I'm saying horrible things?

Imogen: Fearne, I was really disappointed in you for running away from your power. You should take the shard!

Orym: I really miss Dorian, and sometimes I think that's okay, and sometimes I think it isn't.

Ashton: I feel fucking worse that I just fucked up Fearne's life way more than mine and I should've died instead of that happening.

Chetney: I grew up in the Bramblewood outside of Westruun, and when I was a kid, I came back from learning how to make toys and found that my whole family had left. All they left behind were toys. They ran when Errevon the Rimelord was running across the plains, and so I'm kind of afraid of dragons. And I had five siblings - Alabaster, Pepper, Sugarplum, Hermey, and Chad - and I was so mad that they left I never looked for any of them, and now I'm pretty sure they're dead. So I think any family I have is just gonna look for a reason to leave me. That's why I don't get attached to anybody.

#critical role #cr spoilers #c3e79 #cr3

[fjorests-of-wildemount]

I am such a sucker for "I don't *need* you, I *want* you" romance stories, and that is what Dorian was trying to say. It might seem callous to say to Orym, who feels like his only purpose on this planet is to get between danger and everyone else, "I didn't need you. I survived without you. You didn't have to protect me, I'm here anyway."

But instead of feeling useless, Orym felt *relieved*. That weight lifted off him just enough to let the cracks show. He broke down into tears because Dorian told him he knew, he saw him, and it wasn't a pact to keep each other going. Dorian came back because he wants to be there. With Orym. Dorian came back *for Orym*.

And then Dorian out and took his hand. Orym's face when that happened! How often has someone reached for *him*, especially lately? And Dorian led him inside, hand in hand.

Orym is obviously still feeling desperate and powerless, but I also think taking Otohan's sword was part of him processing his grief. And he may say it isn't about revenge, but there is a bit of retribution in what he wants to do. I'm thinking about Liam not answering the question on 4SD about what Orym ultimately wants. My guess is that it's because whatever it is he wants hasn't happened yet.

Orym has so much support around him if only he lets it. Dorian, Fearne, even the Wildmother reaching out like she has in all of his darkest times. There is so much farther to go, so many awful things along the way, but you have to eventually take pressure off of a wound in order to heal it.

#cr spoilers #critical role #bells hells #c3 e95 #orym of the air ashari #i just have so mant feelings about him

[cassafrasscr]

Because I'm having a bad fucking chronic pain day, and feeling some type of way about it, I'm gonna rant more about Ashton.

Can we talk about how Ashton talks about their pain? Or rather, how he doesn't?

I think Ashton's actually mentioned actively being in pain, like... 3 times in the 86 episodes they've filmed so far? The first time that I can remember is during/immediately after Imogen and FCG delved into their mind and actually experienced what it's like to live in their body.

The second time was in the second episode of the Issylra arc, when the group is packing up to move towards Hearthdell, and Ashton mentions off-hand that he was in pain the night before.

And then the third time was e86. When Ashton collapses after dropping his Titan form, and Orym asks if they're okay, Ashton’s response is along the lines of "I'm fine, it just hurts."

You know what Ashton says a lot more often?

I'm so tired. I'm exhausted. We should really take a rest first. Can we please take a fucking rest now?

It seems subtle at first, but as someone who has chronic pain it hits hard. 'Cause most of the time that's exactly what I say.

Because when you're in pain all the time, the healthy/abled/non-chronic-pain-havers around you don't want to hear about it. It makes them uncomfortable.

Being in constant pain and giving voice to it makes you a whiner. A complainer. A wuss. A flake.

Have you tried yoga? Or drinking more water? Or the current fad diet?

So instead, you learn to allude to it in ways that won’t make the ableds uncomfortable. For me, a lot of the time, that takes the form of:

"I'm just really tired."

So, seeing Ashton pushing themself well past their limits to keep up with their friends and doing what the other Hells want - only to end up completely nerfing themself with 2 points of exhaustion... hits very close to home. Especially seeing most of their friends completely disregard their pain until they couldn't anymore.

Orym is really the only one who consistently shows any consideration for their chronic pain - and the boundaries and limitations that go with it. I only had a handful of friends like that when I was younger, and I treasured every single one of them.

As the kid who always got left behind to walk with a chaperone on field trips because I couldn't keep up with the other kids... it brings back a lot of that frustration and hurt to see it playing out like this for Ashton, but also validates it in a way I'm profoundly grateful for.

Anyway. That's all I have to say about that at the moment. I'll climb down off my soapbox now.

(Really slowly though, 'cause my knees are fucking killing me.)

#i continue to have a lot of feelings about Ashton #i'm in a lot of pain right now #and i'm big mad about it #taliesin jaffe is so good at representation #ashton greymoore #cr3 #critical role #critical role spoilers #cr3e86 #chronic pain #meta #character analysis #long post

[alliekitaguchi]

one thing I’m hoping is addressed in future episodes is the fact that laudna sometimes acts like she’s the only one who’s ever been through her own trauma. and yes, what she’s been through is AWFUL, but everyone has been through something

- laudna was tricked, tortured, hung, revived, and wandered the world for about 30 years by herself before she found Imogen (though Marisha has stated there was someone before Imogen, but that hasn’t come up in game yet), and then died again, before being revived again. she has delilah in her head, which is Not Great, but laudna consciously brought her back

- imogen was abandoned by her mother at a young age and grew up with an absent father, who revered her as a freak, and was an outcast everywhere she went

- fearne was abandoned by her parents and has had her life be in the hands of others for over 100 years, mainly her “grandmother”, who has been stretching their time together to keep her longer. she’s also been killed, and found out that she was a purposefully made by a villain for some nefarious purposes

- ashton lives every single day in pain, grew up in a cult, died, woke up in a new body that was broken, didn’t know anything about himself, has been alone since he was a child, exploded into a thousand pieces before painfully reforming with new, more “broken” body parts

- fcg was an assassin bot that sat untouched for 2,000 years before being brought to life and thrown headfirst into society with no help or instructions, and then died tragically

- chetney has lived over 300 years by himself because his family abandoned him and he had to come to terms with the fact that they’re all likely dead, and the loss messed him up so bad that he’s avoided making meaningful connections with people ever since, and he literally JUST died, was revived, and watched the person who deemed him worthy of saving sacrifice themself

- orym watched the love of his life and his father figure be cut down in front of him, watched his friend accept a cursed crown that permanently changed her, was killed and revived

there’s no denying that she’s been through something horrendous, but she has to make the conscious choice to get better. to quote matt & marisha both: laudna is an addict, and she digs herself into her grief so deeply that she can’t see the cracks in everyone else.

she was right that orym should’ve talked to the whole group before taking otohan’s sword, but she was a hypocrite because she tried to steal it off of him. the sword is the source of her trauma, but it’s the source of orym’s too. she told chetney to not talk to her about loss after learning just mere weeks ago that he lost his entire family in one day.

i thought dorian put it beautifully: “it’s just a thing.” it only holds power over you if you let it. she’s dead. the blade no longer hurts you unless you let it.

there’s something so riveting about watching the nuances of trauma unfold in juicy, juicy ways

#in case any of y’all cannot read: this is not a critique or criticism #I think laudna is beautifully complex and wonderful and I just want to see this plot thread explored further #and while I’m an Orym defender until I die #I 100% get laudna’s points and I agreed with her about some stuff #but there has to be balance and what she’s doing is not good #laudna #critical role #bells hells