#transmisogyny in fandom

[rollercoasterwords]

yeah u can put "i hate jkr" and "fuck terfs" in ur tumblr bio but. can u listen + reflect when a trans woman criticizes hp fandom without immediately getting defensive.....

#if a trans woman says 'my firsthand experience with hp fandom is that it's transmisogynistic' #in what world is the correct response to get angry at her and demand that she reassure u that not EVERYONE is transmisogynistic in fandom.. #like either a) u have not been transmisogynistic in which case...just keep scrolling #or b) u have been transmisogynistic in which case. u should take such posts as an opportunity 2 reflect on ur own behavior #and whether or not a or b applies to u is a personal evaluation for u 2 make privately #but EVEN if u feel the post does not in any way apply 2 u. it's still good 2 reflect!!! we are all participating in a fandom #that is tied inherently 2 a virulent transmisogynist #the least we can do is be vigilant in our personal circles + spaces abt transmisogyny..... #also personally. i think trans women can say whatever they want about hp lmao #especially on their own personal tumblr blogs that u can very easily just block if it's so upsetting 2 u.... #anyway. valid critiques and criticisms of hp fandom exist + part of being in this fandom in 2023 is accepting that imho #txt

[dyketubbo]

not to be a woman womaning all over the place but i feel like if you genuinely like. do not have friends that are women then you have something to work on. if you cant think of any female characters that you treat the same way you do male characters then you have something to work on. if you cant handle even seeing "i dont like being called a guy/bro/lad/etc because it doesnt feel gender neutral to me" but can understand when one of your masc besties is uncomfortable with being called girlie or sister then you have something to work on. if your default in regards to how you handle other people and even characters is to assume masculinity then you have something to work on. if you cant even let women and otherwise feminine people speak about our experiences without bringing up how you suffer too then you have something to work on.

it doesnt matter if youre queer or a poc or a minority in whatever which way, if you do not include women in your life and cant even stand a fucking inch of genuine feminism (and i dont mean terfs but god is it fucking agonizing that thats all you people can think of when you hear feminism anymore) where the point is to treat women, all women, equally then you have something to work on. listen to women, even the ones whose experiences completely dont align with yours (hell ESPECIALLY the ones whose experiences completely dont align with yours). just like how we all have to check ourselves for racism, ableism, queerphobia, we all have to check ourselves for misogyny too. stop acting like it got solved at some point. it still exists and it exists within you and you have to actually fucking work on that. "women should be included in your life and you should listen to them" shouldnt be a hard goddamn pill to swallow.

#mask mews #truly i dont think if you can call yourself a feminist then thats a red flag. actually. like legit #yes fuck terfs we all fucking hate terfs but if thats all you can think of when you hear feminism youre letting them win #youre lettin the misogynistic assholes who call people 'feminazis' win. the mras the pieces of shit who treat our rights like a debate topic #and no transmascs yall are not exempt from them just because youve experienced misogyny too #i see misogyny from queer men all the time and yall need to stop acting like being a minority #prevents you from being harmful to other minorities #black men often perpetuate misogynoir. trans men often perpetuate transmisogyny. gay men often perpetuate lesbophobia #just as women can perpetuate the harmful shit against all of those groups too #we're all being shit to each other and we all need to check ourselves and im tired of people acting #like its just okay to like. exclude women from shit #its exhausting and its misogynistic and i think especially in this fandom none of you ever moved on from thinking gaming is only for men #watch yourselves. watch how you talk about women. about femininity. #how when yall talk about the annoying cis white women #its clear which of yall are annoyed about the cis white parts. and which of yall are annoyed about the woman part

[fannishfeminists]

So if someone could help us with transcription I'd really appreciate it!

#transmisogyny #terfs #misogyny #fandom misogyny

[justanisabelakinnie]

Rare smart person on Tumblr: Yk I just think it's wrong to completely and constantly sideline/hate female characters in favor of male ones, I know that female representation in media isn't where it should be right about now, but surely you can find SOME female characters that you like??? More than you can count on both hands and feet, perhaps? Even if you have to reshape them to have actual depth in fanfiction??? I mean we do it all the time for male characters, so why not female ones? There are plenty of already good female characters that you could enjoy and ship together and write fanfics and thinkpieces about too, why don't they get any of the attention that they deserve?

The rest of the idiots on the so-called "SJW" site: HAHAHAAA! Silly rare smart person on Tumblr, don't you know that it's impossible to care about female characters in any capacity??? I mean, I'm a straight woman/gay man, I'm fundamentally incapable of giving a shit about characters that I can't envision myself fucking. Besides, everyone knows that female characters are never anything other than flat cardboard cutouts(unlike the male cardboard cutout that I've fleshed out in fanfiction and made my blorbo) or sex objects for the male gaze, and even if they're not, what if I don't want to engage in media where the female characters are written as fully-fledged people??? Huh??? What about it??? Are you gonna stop me from consuming the media that I love??? I'm not sexist, it's just that women are written so terribly in every single piece of media that I choose to watch out there so obviously the logical conclusion is to give up on female characters altogether and just focus on male ones, because everyone knows the solution to misogyny in media is to remove the women from the equation, hip hip hooray!!! And also jsyk I DO have female characters that I enjoy! Sure they're all canonically dudes who I headcanon as transfem and he/him lesbians, and sure I consider them "like a girl to me" because they're weak and scared of the dark and cry easily, but that's gotta count for something, right??? I just care about girls so much! Anyway giving a shit about girls is too much work, I'd rather just ship these men who don't talk to each other together while claiming the girlfriend is abusive or a mean lesbian bestie, and there's nothing you can do to stop me!!!

#sexism #misogyny #androcentrism #lesbophobia #fandom sexism #fandom misogyny #fandom androcentrism #fandom lesbophobia #double standards #hypocrisy #my post #transmisogyny #fandom transmisogyny

[redheadlesbianfreak]

I know that I'm a little late to the James Somerton thing but I wanted to make my own post about this. I started watching James when I was 20 during the pandemic. It made me feel comforted to watch someone talk about queer theory in film, especially because I found out so many films I never heard about. His stuff did make me very passionate about queer history as well, and led me to start seeking more of it. I took a queer literature class in University (one of my fav classes) and I started watching more queer creators.

I grew up in Texas and Mississippi (the Deep South) in a pretty conservative environment. I started to break free of that in middle school and high school, though I was still very ignorant. I think I knew I was queer for a long time, but it took me a while to come out. I felt that I was around queer people who were somewhat hostile and wouldn't believe me. This is because I identified as ace for a little while. People were either actively hostile about that or they acted like it was a dumb identity that didn't matter. I also don't know if I'm cis or not, all I know is that I really relate to the experiences of the trans community.

I kept watching James' stuff over the years. I fell for the hole "academic queer" vibe. He talked so much about queer erasure that I thought he cared deeply about it. I felt connected to the queer community when I watched his content. He talked about trans and sapphic experiences so I thought he cared about that--turns out he stole all of that. All my favorite videos of his were stolen, word for word, from queer writers. All of the passion, all of the great writing, that was stolen. I thought I was watching someone who cared about queer history, but he was actively erasing it and harming other creators.

There were some things that I noticed. He mentioned the indie movie studio and I thought that was weird. I thought his Attack on Titan video was extremely weird and made a lot of non-points. I also remember disagreeing with a lot of it because he just said a bunch of nothing. I thought that it was weird he mainly talked about mainstream culture (Disney, MCU, etc.) rather than less well known pieces of queer media. And there were quite a few videos I didn't watch because there were so many of them (not sure how I didn't suspect that he was a content mill). Some of his videos were incredibly intriguing (because he stole good writing) while others were boring, so there was a lot of inconsistency.

I'm incredibly pissed at this man, and it's hard not to be pissed at myself. I didn't watch every single video by this dude, but I did watch enough. I think that I have a lot to examine about myself when it comes to picking up racism/misogyny/transphobia. Especially when he dressed up all his points to be "progressive" and "academic." I didn't pick up on things like "bad vibes" from this man. I'm not really sure what bad vibes even look like? I also didn't pick up on the fact that his writing style constantly changed. Even with all the strange shit, I still gave him the benefit of the doubt because he was queer and that was way too trusting and that's something I need to work on.

As for the misogyny thing, especially when it comes to queer women and trans/AFAB people. He said a lot of blatantly lesbophobic, biphobic, and transphobic things while downplaying the experiences of everyone who wasn't a cis gay. What James was saying about women in his videos is how a lot of people talk about queer women in the queer community. Especially in fandom spaces. Misogyny is so rampant on the Internet that it can be hard for me to pick up on it as a queer woman. So many people talk about how lesbians want every female character to be gay or how bisexual women are "fujoshis" constantly trying to fetishize gay men.

I hope this makes sense, but it feels like I'm being gaslit when it comes to misogyny because of how often I see it. It's hard for me to tell if I'm being oversensitive or if someone is actually being misogynistic to me. So many progressive men that I trusted have been misogynistic to me and that can be a lot. James was someone I trusted and defended. I even recommended him to people. It's something I'm still disappointed in myself for doing, but I'd like to think I've grown as a queer person since watching his channel. There are so many great queer creators out there and I definitely need to make a recommendation list in the near future.

#personal #james somerton #hbomberguy #long post #sorry to post about this so much #this whole thing really upset me #i'd also like to make a post going into fandom misogyny #especially fandom biphobia/lesbophobia/transmisogyny/etc

[anophelei]

there have been four separate callouts targeting trans women with baseless accusations of pedophilia, over allegations made against someone else for his actions on another website. they interacted with him, once, indirectly, on tumblr, prior to the allegations, by reblogging a post (not from op) that he had made. no other interactions and no involvement with or knowledge of the other site.

this is nothing new, targeted accusations and harassment of trans women has been an established pattern for years and this is just the most recent example. just as established is the challenge of dispelling dangerous accusations, and illustrating the transmisogyny of the situation to people already practising one of the basest forms of transmisogyny, both of which are largely ignored, rejected, dismissed of any significance, and met with further accusations saved to serve as a foil for mention of transmisogyny.

people are still doing it right now about this exact incident, trying to paint the very premise of transmisogyny as a twisting of the narrative to be a shield.

apparently it's absurd that anyone would even consider transmisogyny to be relevant, despite the very literal fact that the actions of one actual pedophile have somehow been deemed good enough for two trans women, who had less than nothing to do with him, to both be publically named and shamed and harassed as best could manage, not just once but twice each for both of them, for being pedophiles ?

the post by the way was about being on a hair trigger for moral outrage in response to someone potentially having less acceptable fetishes, such as "ageplay, cnc, or incest shipping", and in the context of trans women being subjected to moral outrage every couple of months, specifically being accused of being pedophiles and rapists, and whatever else you can throw in, it makes perfect sense to understand it through that lens and then adding to it with some reflection on how hyper specific it is.

it's certainly unfortunate in hindsight, but people are stretching it into eternity acting as though it said "if you dislike literal CSA then you aren't a real lgbt person" and questioning if it would even be possible for someone to agree on the sentiment without being a pedophile.

Maybe it wouldn't be so readily understood as reflecting every single accusation if you stopped making it every single accusation. Reading it to mean the very real threat of someone accusing you of ageplay without reason or provocation is only possible when that is a regular occurrence, which it is, like maybe it shouldn't happen four times in just over a month

#transmisogyny #transfeminism #harassment fandom #transfem #toonimal #if you try to drag any other shit into this you will be blocked. #no context on earth could make it acceptable to punish trans women for a stranger's actions n you can rot if you think otherwise

[nympthanthe]

i did not just see a post that says “headcanoning this black female character as a trans woman is bad because it’s masculinizing black women” like do you even hear yourself what the fuck is wrong with you

#transmisogyny #transmisogynoir #fandom racism #fandom transmisogyny #terfs dni #this was written by a black transfem before anyone gets on my ass about it im allowed to be upset about this

[gardengnosticator]

whats your feelings on the homestuck/dtwof drama?

i am a grown adult who uses critical thinking skills in the handling of media. i can acknowledge and make reference to flawed and offensive elements in works i read and engage with and as long as i acknowledge their presence, and how they can affect the reader and narrative as a whole i don't think i'm being fandom brained or whatever.

i've always been in the camp that if you are to criticise homestuck, looking at the racist tropes and aspects hussie inserted is the best point, as it is very distressing and hard to ignore. and i don't think that people not ignoring when it comes to discussing homestuck it is somehow worse or more weird or embarassing?

hussie and bechdal seem like shitheads, hussie for being a somethingawful poisoned forum troll and bechdal for being a michfest loving transmisogyny wielder who has never been held accountable. but ultimately, all this stems from is, as has been said by @plaidos is an internet slapfight over a tumblr poll.

#if youre a hs fan who acknowledges and addresses the racism in the comic good #if youre a dtwof fan who acknowledges the transmisogyny of mo and bechdal in her handling of transfem characters good #the only bad thing would be to ignore it and plug youre ears and i dont see that being whats being argued here #im seeing people just get mad about homestuck being homestuck because bluh bluh 2013 tumblr fandom discourse and hs is le cringe #its stupid

[jasontoddssuper]

The wave of Gwen Stacy hate now that Atsv is out is literally just transmisogyny.Yes,that includes from black non-transfems and that's coming from one.It's one thing to point out the misogynoir in parts of her writing like the Margo thing and it's a whole different thing to insistantly demonize a trans girl who's not even a senior in high school and has to deal with an abusive dad who's also a cop that claims to support her but threatend to kill her over being a superhero for everything she does.No,Gwen is not an intrusive jerk for accidentally unpacking a collectible of her friend's because she thought it was just a regular figure.No,she's not abusive for trying to be happy with said friend while hiding something from him for the sake of keeping him safe for at least a little.No,she does not see Jessica as her m///ammy for instantly wanting her to adopt her because HER DAD HAD JUST BLATANTLY THREATEND HER LIFE AND LEFT HER HOMELESS.Jesus christ,i cringed so hard while typing this out and i don't even agree with any of the takes,aren't y'all niggas embarrased when you say them unironically and thinking you eat by turning over a leaf on a female character the second she was given actual depth with an emphasis on transfemininity?Especially because i've barely met any minors who dislike her and in fact they're the ones stanning her half the time!You're grown,go pick on people your own age or better yet go talk to irl transfems so you can learn to treat them as people

#i'm not talking out of my ass btw even excluding my tgirl friends every one of them fandom i've met has seen themselves in her so much #and it's absolutely foul that y'all have the balls to try to twist her into a monster and use 'i'm a minority too!!!' as a shield #oh and just wanna ask:how come none of you ever make transfem jess content even though she is in the comics👀do tgirls threaten you? #i'm just saying you guys seem real repressed over them or just straight up ignoring them.embarrasing x 2!!!!! #gwen stacy #pro gwen stacy #trans gwen stacy #miles morales #miles morales deserves better #jessica drew #pro jessica drew #not really ghostflower but you can take it that way #spiderverse #atsv #btsv #spiderman #transmisogyny #i'm black tag #💌 #letters from summer

[retordedd]

I never use this blog because the eddsworld fandom is genuinely the only fandom I've been completely fucking miserable trying to engage with. It's full of trans people and yet the community is SO hostile towards non-afab or non masc aligned in some way trans people. I've had people blatantly refused to respect my pronouns after saying they would. I've been misgendered in a server full of trans people where literally no one else was misgendered because there were pronoun roles. In that same server, while I was uplifting trans people making jokes about being proud of their bodies, they made fun of me for not having breasts. I've had multiple people debate my boundaries like it's a topic of discussion because I asked not to be called dude, a GENDERED TERM. I've had people gang up on me to the point of tears because I dared to describe my experiences being raised with an unconventional relationship to gender. I've been accused of holding grudges and being aggressive for even daring to speak up when I'm tired of being treated this way

And these events don't refer to a bunch of random assholes, they refer to people well known in the fandom. People I've seen on multiple servers. People whose names you say and it gets recognized

The eddsworld fandom has a HUGE transmisogyny problem and it needs to be discussed. The way I constantly feel unsafe when in a fandom surrounded by trans people is completely unacceptable

#I'm not a trans woman for the record. I'm genderless. but all of the transphobia ive experienced from the ew fandom #is directed from a hatred of trans women/people that dont have THEIR body or express themselves the same way THEY do #like the pronouns i asked to be called and were specifically told that people would start using them is she/her #and then they refused! #and this INCLUDES a friend of mine! #whose excuse was literally that it just didn't feel important #so yeah i dont use she/her pronouns now because i was already scared to and felt extremely vulnerable trying to do so #and every single trans person i asked to use those pronouns for me refused to. and it affirmed my fears and insecurities #and of course none of it is taken seriously when i bring it up!!! #im extremely against 'afab vs amab' bullshit but when a fandom has a huge problem of targeting a specific demographic of trans people #it needs to be addressed #also yes the slur in the url is reclaimed and no im not the original user with this url. i saw it on an old post and thought it was good #so i saved it. i dont even use this blog #eddsworld #transmisogyny #i have experienced transphobia in other fandoms and outside of them obviously #but mostly by cis people #or perhaps binary trans people that dont respect nonbinary people #and that's all been general transphobia #ONLY in the eddsworld fandom has it been targeted

[saintchaser]

i feel that this fandom's hatred for feminine presenting sirius and most especially sirius as a transfem or as a trans girl really says a lot about the kind of people you are. you're so quick to shit on jkr, yet you're pushing the exact same ideology and agenda that she is. the thing is, you're allowed to dislike certain headcanons. you're allowed to not like certain headcanons. i headcanon sirius as neither a fem-presenting individual or a trans girl. however, people are allowed to headcanon whatever they want and this fandom has always consisted of headcanons, because there is little canon about the era, and there will always be headcanons that one person might agree with, one person might headcanon it themselves, and another person might dislike it. you're allowed to dislike certain characters and certain headcanons, while we're at it; however, not liking it for the mere fact that the character is headcanoned as trans is transphobic. you can not see it. that's perfectly reasonable. for a fandom that claims to be "open-minded" and all in for diversity, you're really not supporting this whole ideology that this fandom claims so loudly to have. and also, your arguments against the headcannoning of sirius as transfem are shit. "it's erasing the mlm rep!!" the mlm rep that we, quite literally, do not have? the mlm rep that takes the big majority of the fandom? "it's fetishizing!!!" there have always been feminine queer men. they have always existed. and there always will be feminine queer men that will exist in queer spaces. their existence will continue and just because your, my, our, their experience as a queer person/queer people does not match with theirs/ours does not make them a fetish and it does not make any of us less valid.

#also the fact that some people are so in love with all the ftm headcanons yet a mtf headcanon peeks out of the smaller part of a fandom #<- that agrees with it and becomes “mainstream” or gets seen and you all go wild really is like. huh #transmysogyny is a real thing and like i said for a fandom that claims to be woke and so diversity loving you really aren't doing a good jo #the problem is *not* not liking the headcanon because you just don't and this way of not liking the headcanon does not make you transphobic #however not liking the headcanon because the character is headcanoned as trans does make you transphobic and most comments on this topic #<- *are transphobic*. this fandom has a lot of problems and this is one of the main reasons that people leave it. transphobia lesbiphobia #<- transmisogyny racism antisemitism and on and on. #once again you are not forced to headcanon something. just don't be a dick about it #sirius black #tw transmysogyny #(also i apologize for the way this came out i am sleepy and feeling blegh but feel free to dm for more conversation on this topic) #trans sirius black

[0w0tsuki]

If you check the transmisogyny tag regularly you come across a common post that's like "We need to address the transmisogyny in [XYZ] fandom." and while it's nice that other people are talking about transmisoginy in their spaces they always treat it like it's this unique individual transmisogyny that is specific to this fandom.

I just want to let them know that this isn't isolated to their fandom and these problems repeat themselves across all fandoms. Not to lessen the impact of the individual transmisogyny. But putting forth the idea that if you want to truly combat it it would be more helpful to view them as symptoms of wider fandom transmisogyny and address it that way.

#transmisogyny #fandom

[lesbiansanemi]

I should be getting paid to deal with this bullshit

#fandom lesbophobia and misogyny tied in with the PETTIEST discord drama blown so far out of proportion. dawg… #‘pls explain idk how we were lesbophobic uwu’ #idk you attacked a bunch of sapphics and said they were transphobic and biphobic which then spiraled into spreading rumors about them being #abusive and alcoholics and calling them slurs #because they made ‘I hate men’ jokes and didn’t like your dumbass m/f ships and headcanoned a character a lesbian lmfao #also because one of them was supposedly transphobic on a VC but the apparent victim doesn’t even remember it like LMFAO????? #which is crazy considering most of them are not cis and are also bi themselves lmfao #which I EXPLAINED #but it’s still ‘idk how we were lesbophobic a day misogynistic pls explain’ #I’m killing myself this is so stupid #like do you think I’m dumb. do you think I’m stupid #this is batshit #this is why I don’t do fandom discord servers yall are insaaaaaane #idk what’s worse #if this was done knowingly and we’re just playing dumb #or if we actually ARE this dumb and don’t think any of this was rooted in lesbophobia #which had been perpetuated SO hard in the more standard fandom lesbophobia and misogyny ways #not to mention the transmisogyny but I won’t get into that…. lmao #anyways #every day I wake up to more DMs and I want to SCREAM #I just wanna peacefully go into work and live my life man it is NOT my job to coddle you #because you got caught being shitty lmfao #fuck off #kaz rambles

[rjalker]

If you think you're a feminist and not a misogynist simply by virtue of being assigned female at birth or identifying as a woman, instead of doing anything to challenge misogyny in the world, congrats, you're definitely a misogynist.

No one gets a free "not a misogynist pass" because of how they were born or how they identify. Not being a misogynist requires you actually put effort into unlearning and challenging misogyny whenever you see it.

Defending blatant misogyny in a TV show written by 99% straight white men and portraying people who are actually criticizing the blatant misogyny as ridiculous and simply not knowing how stories work is not you being a feminist. That's you being a misogynist.

And being AFAB or identifying as a woman doesn't give you a free pass to be blatantly misogynistic lol. Try again.

#misogyny #transmisogyny #transmisia #exorsexism #sexism #biological essentialism #Fallout TV #Fallout show #Fallout TV Show #fandom misogyny #fandom behavior #pissedoffghoul

[qqchurch]

damn, twitter sure is something. first thing i see after opening it is some guy spreading context-ripped screencaps overemphasizing that he's being attacked for his identity and not because he's palling around gross transmisogynists and spreading transphobic rhetoric while passing it off as "queer and progressive"

really great DARVO there, honestly. "queer infighting" at its peak because all it amounts to is guys wanting to be the most oppressed person in the conversation involving trans women...

#qq posts #discourse watch #dont like dipping into discourse literally on new years but goddamn #i hope him and his crowd of assholes disappear and stop butting into transmisogyny discussions #but i know theyre never gonna stop cause they think theyre the 'right' kind of queer >.> #especially since theyre basically stealing air from actual productive discussions over fucking fandom beef

[carniferous]

i've been seeing a lot of critiques of portrayals of sirius lately (what happens when you venture outside your fandom bubble for 5 mins ig) and i have to say that some of y'all do have really strong opinions about the most boring things. and then some of y'all are transmisogynists.

#i knowww it's not that serious but like. it is. #bc genuinely many ppl in this fandom are one 'let men be masculine' tweet away from unrepentant transmisogyny #dil.txt