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123-and-aubergines · 11 months

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Entirely inconsequential and very likely improbable undertale theory time!

Chara, given the Narrator!Chara theory is true, was the one to run away during the Undyne fight.

Evidence:

In a neutral run, Sans' Judgment Speech includes the following line of dialog ...

... even if you never run away from a single fight during random encounters.

The only character you HAVE to flee from is Undyne in order to get her to Hotland. It's also one of the few fights where Sans is physically present to witness (with the others being Gryftrot and Shyren, both of which can be ended through sparing). With no other examples, this has to be the running away Sans is referring to.

But, why in the world would Frisk be smiling?

This is the most dangerous, difficult battle Frisk has been in so far. It's the only boss fight, to that point anyway, where the attacker has genuine desire to see you dead. On top of that, Undyne comments on your actions throughout the battle - your sparing, your pleas, your determination. There's no way that she WOULDN'T comment on a smile unless she somehow missed it (say, you had your back to her).

On top of this, Frisk has never been described smiling except in reference to Chara during the genocide route, where both Monster Kid and Flowey comment on their "sick" and "creepy" expression, repeatedly telling you that the situation isn't funny- implying the iconic smile.

It's also been suggested that Chara tends towards smiling in stressful situations, so perhaps they realized that sticking around was bad news and tried getting Frisk to bolt by opening the FLEE option.

But getting past speculation, here's the slight bit of evidence I took and ran with:

The narration only speaks in the first person when Chara is the subject, sometimes in white text.

The ESCAPE dialog, though typically basic, will occasionally read:

...entirely in the first person.

This is also the only time the RED soul does anything interesting, unlike the others, who each have special properties in battle. (BLUE has gravity, GREEN heals and keeps you in a closed space, YELLOW shoots, PURPLE traps, ORANGE punches and moves, CYAN is still until its safe to move). It's possible that DETERMINATION, or RED, has the ability to use MERCY in battle or, at the very least, FLEE, given that the soul changes to have legs.

With all this put together, there's at least some chance that Chara stepped in during the Undyne fight to allow the option to flee. Perhaps the soul resists Undynes' magic in some way? After all, she has no reason at all to turn Frisks soul from Green to Red, especially after the first time they escape. Maybe it's just too difficult to keep a constant hold on them, so she relents for brief periods until she can gather her strength again? This would explain her frustration with Frisk running away, but her apparent inability to do anything about that as the fight progresses. It would also explain why Sans mentions Frisk smiling when fleeing her.

While this is mostly just a fun idea that adds to Frisk and Chara's dynamic and makes a funny scene, it could have further implications. For example, it might imply that Frisk's choices are given to them by Chara. This might explain the repaired MERCY button during Asgore's fight. It would also suggest that Chara is constantly supplying Frisk with helpful information on the underground and the monsters, including peaceful pathways to resolve conflict (because honestly, most people encountering a weird alien creature trying to steal you soul would not immediately think that Flirting with or being cleaned by them would lead to success).

What do you think? I personally highly doubt this was intentional and was just a throw-away line for dramatics on Sans' part, but I also like to think that the dialog and set designs are very literal and reflect a wider world/ story. Please let me know your interpretation!

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kogetaikid · 1 month

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It's Finally Spring Break, so Let's Start it Off with a Theory

(TW! Child Neglect!)

(P.S. I'm not gonna become the next MatPat. Just going this for fun, but may his legacy be remembered)

Remember my Clover headcanons? Today I'm gonna talk specifically about this one right here:

I was binge-playing Undertale Yellow this morning and saw this piece of flavor text

This is makes me suspect that they didn't grow up in a nice place. It also gives more insight on Clover's possible caretakers if they had any (which judging by the text, he probably did)

Their parents must've been lazy for whatever reason (Since it's implied Undertale takes place in the future, and Clover fell before Frisk, It's implied Undertale Yellow takes place in the future too! Let's use the year 208X as an example)

This also makes Clover's closeness to other monsters in the underground make more sense. They lack any parental figure

Keep reading for a reenactment. I might spread this into a bigger theory on Mt. Ebott and the human souls, but that's for another post...

Feel Free to Debunk this! I've only gotten to the end of the neutral ending before!

Ebott Village, 208X

(I couldn't come up with a better name, alright!?)

There lived a young child named Clover. He loved western cinema and loved to pretend they were a cowboy! They had a hat, a "gun" (due to their age they couldn't get their hands on a real one), a southern accent, everything!

Their parents were lazy, and never cooked or cleaned. They just stayed cooped in their house, addicted to whatever people in 208X are addicted too. They even forgot they had a kid.

Clover heard about Mt. Ebott and the missing children from their village, and the war between humans and monsters centuries ago. They decided to see the truth for themselves and find the other humans either dead of alive. Their parents wont notice them gone.

[Everything else just cuts into the events of Undertale Yellow. Fell free to debunk!]

#txt #undertale yellow clover #undertale yellow #ut yellow #safe utdr #utdr #utdr au #uty clover #uty #undertale yellow au #theory #fan theory #theories #crack theory #undertale theory #tw neglect #feel free to disagree #feel free to debunk

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stainedglassthreads · 3 months

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Combining the 'Deltarune Papyrus uses aspects of Fedora-Papyrus' crack theory, the 'Gaster is Papyrus' theory, and the 'Sans hasn't called Papyrus by name in DR because he uses a different name' theory to create the most cursed Gaster take imaginable.

#undertale theory #papyrus #gaster #wd gaster #undertale #undertale crack #...or is it?#add it to my list of 'gaster reveals i think would throw the fandom into chaos'

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canadiancryptid · 5 months

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So I started thinking about the game on Asriel's computer, and now I can't stop thinking about the possibility of Asriel and/or Kris being the ones to create Undertale. I mean, if Gaster might have created Deltarune, why couldn't they have made Undertale?

I mean, its clearly supposed to be a reference to the Asriel fight, but I started questioning if there might be more to it, and here I am.

They way this has been piecing together in my brain, I see it as more Kris picking up what Asriel started and never finished some time after the events of Deltarune, with every intention of having it played by the same entity that controlled them.

All of the similarities between the games can easily be things that were based of their actual adventures and people from Hometown. What I'm interested in are the major differences.

- Most of the magic used by monsters could be based on what little magic they can use in the Light World, as well as magic used by both Lightners and Darkners in Dark Worlds.

- Frisk and Chara being so similar to Kris makes perfect sense if they were inspired by them. They both share a ton of traits with Kris, but Chara seems to have the most. Frisk is the player character based on their experience while under the player's control, and Chara is the self-insert that fills their role in the Dreemurr family, but is also one of two characters in the game who directly speak to you as the player.

- Gaster and all his mysteries could be based on whatever entity we've been assuming IS Gaster in Deltarune. They never fully found out what was going on there, but they knew putting in references to it would drive the curious players insane.

There's something about the idea of Kris creating Undertale because of the events with the player in Deltarune, only for most of us to find Deltarune in the first place because of Undertale.

The one major part of this theory is how Asriel is depicted in Undertale. I guess it could be explained as Asriel's edgy OC from when he was working on it getting reworked for the story, but that might be stretching it a bit.

Do I think any of this is even close to canon? Not for a second. Pure crack theory. But I can't stop thinking about it and it makes a concerning amount of sense. There are a bunch of other smaller things I can think of that could be looped in, but these are most of the main ones. I don't like how deeply this has infected my brain.

#deltarune #undertale #kris dreemurr #deltarune theory #crack theory #cryptid says stuff

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hattyhatterson · 2 months

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zhrRbVfjN0QXbKLcOQID13k0CFhYGVuHw687tdLOJ4Q/edit?usp=drivesdk

#deltarune #utdr #undertale #deltarune secret boss #deltarune chapter 3 #deltarune spongebob theory #document #theory #crack theory #deltarune theory

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wuwubean · 10 months

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TOBY MOTHERFUCKING FOX

I’m not really a ‘Sans and Papyrus are from another world’ kinda guy, but hey this is basically direct confirmation if there ever was one. At the very least I’m overjoyed it’s both Sans AND Papyrus, those 2016 theories saying only Sans had the weird timeline stuff going on and ignoring Papyrus can all eat dirt.

But there is something that I’m 100% looking too much into but I want to mention before it’s completely overshadowed by… that

This is very much a joke on the word ‘canon’, and most likely talking about the cannon on the bridge before Snowdin…. but what if it wasn’t?

We know Papyrus has a Gaster Blaster because of his dialogue on an abandoned genocide route. What if this is implying that Sans and Papyrus’ blaster are one and the same? And, most notably, that it’s tied much more to Papyrus than it is to Sans? There is so many things that could imply, and also make Sans using them during genocide that much more impactful.

Then again I thought of this idea before remembering the cannon on the bridge so this probably isn’t true, but I will still hold on to this headcanon (pun intended) until it’s inevitably proven wrong.

#undertale #undertale newsletter #sans undertale #papyrus #you can take my crack theories from my cold dead hands

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rangarlamamicado · 1 year

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Deltarune Chapter 5 & Skies Forever Blue: THE MISSING LINK

Okay, so for the longest time I've been pulling my hairs in all of my previous theories regarding just what Chapter 5 would be. I know Chess Theory makes everything easy when it comes to determining that the boss of Chapter 3 will be a Rook (with the TV world already confirmed) and Chapter 4 a Bishop (which can easily be determined to likely be housed by the Church)... but since Chapter 5 supposedly has The Knight, I'd been a little confused. Especially since it could be ANYWHERE since The Knight clearly isn't restricted to one dark world, let alone any area in town.

However, recently, I saw a VERY GOOD Theory video by JaruJaruJ on Youtube about what several bridging pieces regarding Toby's newest independent piece of media is, as well as how it could easily be connected to Deltarune and December Holiday, the missing links, and potentially The Knight.

SO. With that basis in mind, I will heavily quote and paraphrase details from his video here to weave together why I think Chapter 5's Dark World will be...! DRAGON BLAZERS 2.

Look, let's face it, there's literally a Dragon within the first minute of the music video. In addition to this, there's also reason to believe that the version of Dragon Blazers being played here is the same because of the following:

In other media, such as Noelle's blog post at https://deltarune.com/icepalace_glaceir/ it's indicated that there's also a home-console version of Dragon Blazers. However, suppose this version of Dragon Blazers is meant to resemble being on the Gameboy. In that case, it's possible that the console version was on the Gamecube, since the Gameboy and Gamecube have cross-compatibility (this helps in the theory later, I promise).

The person in the music video looks to be a human, so it's possible that Kris at one point got to play Dragon Blazers 2, and is responsible for whatever happened in the music video instead of Noelle... whoops. Maybe that'll play into what happens during Chapter 5?

However, there's more - specifically, more to tie in the fact that the grander dark world (the darker world/dark world network? basically whatever allows things like Ralsei to move between dark worlds) exists with these details.

This sequence of events hints at the possibility that whatever grander darkness there may be - including the kind Ralsei uses to navigate Dark Worlds in addition to wherever the girl, who may be "Dess." Noelle literally remarks saying that the bow is familiar - whether with her sister or the character or both, it isn't known.

As for how I can ask or even question whether these places are even connected, I have an idea.

Noelle openly discusses that in Dragon Blazers, there is a Glacier Palace. The page leading up to this has very rudimentary spritework, yet the crude colors remind me very much of the music video, and I believe this location may be important - whether for the main boss or the secret boss.

There's also more evidence to support that, in some way, Dess herself may be directly related to whoever owned the game, hence connections in the music video.

A guitar case that could easily fit a guitar the likes of which appeared in the sweepstakes hidden site. To me I feel Toby was slowly trying to spread the crumbs of details, and it has led me to this ultimate theory thanks to the theorization of JaruJaruJ those who he also cites.

DRAGON BLAZERS & DESS: A HISTORY AND HYPOTHESIS

SO THEN! It's time for me to predict just what's happening here using the information we already have. Where do I even start though? Why doesn't Dess look like... well, Dess? Why does the grander dark world even come into relevance here? What do Noelle and Kris have to do with all this?

Well, to start, I'd like to use some relevant information to postulate how all of this is even possible.

While not directly stated, it's illustrated in the 'chair' hidden page during the sweepstakes that there exists the possibility of "darker darkness." To me, this begs the question: What does this mean for the dark world?

Well, for starters, JaruJaruJ postulates in the video that it might have to do with the dark fountain in Castle Town being made of pure darkness. He goes on to postulate how Dess might be related to that, but while I feel that might be important, to me, I think the possibility of a "darker world" is entertaining.

A meta-world of an already metaphorical thing such as a game - even Dark world have concrete items, places, and things, regardless of what it's based on. Also, clearly, the dark world has many things that the light world doesn't.

RPG Mechanics, "saving", darkners, fountains... you name it. All of these things are important, because to me, I think each of these represent basic structure for a dark world - and if a darker world were to exist, it seems to me that these traits may be blown even further into flanderization, perhaps even harmfully affecting those who venture into it. The one lifeline seems to be saving, as well as its connection to "heaven." JaruJaruJ makes this point in his video:

That said, if somehow it was possible that Dess got trapped

Save points. There seems to be what resembles a save point in the music video, but it's pink. Further, he says that, because being with determination seem to be able to save, (yellow for humans, white for non-human non-monster beings like Flowey (and Kris for some reason, do with that what you will) he says that we haven't seen what a monster with Determination seems to have a save look like - pink.

Save points seem to be the anchors in dark worlds to reality, whether from the angel or otherwise (he says in another theory that the world is an endless loop and supports it with saves and the angel as well as Ralsei having some stake in an endless reality).

Even Spamton, whose palette is literally mainly composed of white, yellow, and pink (the three colors) says he has a fascination with salvation, heaven, and darkness, as if some kind of symbol that found the interest of the darker beings (Gaster? Dess? Ralsei? The Angel?) whether it was an accident or not on his part. This, to me, is a sign by Toby. Nothing with his is a coincidence, and this music video having so many signs is the key.

Furthermore, even in the darkest of worlds, save points can help one out of darkness. However, for the girl, this isn't enough. She abuses saves to restart reality in this darker world to the point that she sinks further deeper, as if having used too much dark power, having lost her power.

But why did Dess do all of this? And what does it mean for the real world, as well as Chapter 5?

Well, to me, while JaruJaruJ might say there have been reasons otherwise, I find it interesting that, if Dess is stuck in this world as this girl, that perhaps she took this form for a reason? Was it the powers of Darkness that let her change her image? Is it metaphorically her, but not literally? Well, I believe that it may be one of two things.

If everything in the music video is truly Deltarune (the first possibility), that may mean a specific list of things. It means that Dess literally became the girl in the game. It means that only a human could've played the game, meaning it had to be Kris. It means that Dess was capable of saving, and according to the lyrics, loved Kris.

To me, if this line of logic is true, it means that Dess maybe wanted to take the form of a human princess because, like Kris, she loved humans. In addition, she claims that she was named the same as the one Kris loved, which may secretly have been Dess. (Hence, that's probably why Kris is probably so weird with Noelle in the weird route, since he sees her sister in her - albeit, these are all influence by the player and not Kris directly, it's just that not all the choices are the player either, which make me ask questions. But this isn't a Kris theory, it's a Dess theory.) I find it a far more compelling narrative for Toby to have weaved, especially if this all comes to manifest in Chapter 5, though I'll get to that.

The second possibility, to me, is that the video metaphorically represents Deltarune with some real details, but not completely. For example, this may negate that Dess took the form of a human, and Kris was the one playing the game. It may be that Noelle played this version of the game, and Dess' words in the song actually represent familial love, hence why Dess is familiar, albeit not completely remembering who she is or what she was/is. The love she may be singing of as well as the one the player loved may actually represent familial love, and in a way makes the scenes where Noelle and Rudy playing the game sadder to me. Because Dess may be trapped in the game, they may miss her and wonder where she is, but she may actually be right in front of them without knowing it.

This is why I brought up the details of NPCs, Darkners, and RPG-mechanics as well as a darker world taking a toll on those who may be trapped there, for whatever the reason. Dess may have forgotten about the life she had outside and only began to remember her role in the game - which she may have been afraid to break from.

If this is true, rather than the way it is in the other theory, it opens up a can of worms that also make sense along the lines of Spamton. There seems to be an "order" in the world. An order that, if broken, through causality and fate somehow bring ruin to those who stray from it. Spamton attempted to stray from fate by asking for assistance from someone with control over the dark domain, but causality assured ruin for him in the form of Kris. This may have to do with the theory about the loop that JaruJaruJ made (which I quite like), but I feel the Soul is just as important in the loop as the Angel is.

Anyways, if all of this were true as I said, Dess, having achieved her wish of becoming a human, may have been bound to the roll of her character in the game - hence order breaks. Dess likely wanted to tell Noelle or Kris that it's them and that they love them, but it would cause ruin, and the loops/saves in the game would come to an end. This perfectly follows the themes of "choices not mattering," but in the end it seems that Dess regardless confessed their love and sacrificed the world by breaking her role to tell the player who she really is in exchange for the world breaking and herself being banished into darkness.

So! If all that's the backstory, it's time to talk about Chapter 5 once and for all, and what it may mean.

CHAPTERS 3-5: THE GLIMPSE INTO DARKER DARKNESS

Now then. Based on everything I've theorized so far, I will rapidly cover what I believe will happen in Chapters 3 and 4, as well as what the secret bosses may be based on what we know and how this will apply to the future.

CHAPTER 3

The TV world is the world we know most about. The characters, to antagonist (to some degree), the setting... However, even Toby knows that we want to know who we fight and why - Spamton A. Spamton toys with that in the Sweepstakes video, even if it isn't canon.

Personally, I believe that the secret boss will be the Green Crayon. Too many things line up for it to NOT be relevant to this world. First, it's green, which may tie in with the green soul color. Second, it's discarded similar to Jevil and Spamton, in addition to having relevance to Kris in a way. They may be important in that they might have information about Asriel and his whereabouts, which would make for interesting secret boss information. The crayon also is already most likely within the home, albeit nobody knows where which would lead naturally to a good secret location. While I believe it's all interesting, as well as the potential of Toriel as the party member, I don't see relevance aside from the detail one person gleaned somewhere that has relevance to Dragon Blazers.

I don't recall who, but I remember reading something in the comments section that may have relevance here. I won't paraphrase. I will simply post it and move on to Chapter 4. Do with this what you will.

CHAPTER 4

This is where I have the most faith in my answers, theory wise and literally. As for the setting, aligning with Chess Theory, I can easily see this being the church and the boss as the Bishop. The locations including the church proper and the graveyard means there are ample opportunities for lore regarding the Angel, as well as with Alvin potentially as the antagonist/ "Bishop", attempting to revive Gerson and The Hammer Of Justice.

As for the secret boss, I can see it taking place in the Graveyard. There's very vague hinting at this during the Sweepstakes regarding information regarding the realness of ICE-E, but with the Pizza Box that supposedly winked at Noelle being burnt in the graveyard and left, I can see it coming back for revenge. Specifically, I cite a theory video by HalfBreadChaos regarding JUST what ICE-E might be, and how he might be an extraplanar monstrosity not too dissimilar from Everyman and even Gaster.

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It would make sense since, in the soul order theory according to the strangely convenient order in this background in Deltarune that supposedly predicts the soul colors of each chapter...

... it would totally make sense if ICE-E's color was cyan. He may have connections to Gaster! He may have connections to Noelle! Hell, he may even have connections to Dess! I dunno! But either way, I totally look forward to this if it's real.

NOW THEN CHAPTER 5

I've TOTALLY had the hardest time predicting this chapter, as stated earlier. For the longest time, for some reason, I thought it would be in ICE-E's P"E"ZZA, but I don't think that'd make any sense aside from elements of horror for a chapter. I also thought, for some reason, that the antagonist would be Papyrus, because he's a knight, and it'd make the most sense.

HOWEVER, with this new information at hand and a seemingly perfect set-up, I can now say with confidence that the next dark world after the church is DRAGON BLAZERS 2. The antagonist, the Knight, could easily be a fake-out on the game's part - Specifically, I would find it very funny if the antagonist this chapter was The Knight from DRAGON BLAZERS, specifically the main character in the music video. It would be very funny if he was the stereotypical hero-type who sees the main characters as antagonists or dark-lords, and I would find it very interesting if, for this chapter only, everything was pixelated and downscaled like DRAGON BLAZERS. It'd make sense if the female character was there, albeit not Dess - a soulless replacement if you will, perhaps the real boss who turns on the hero and reveals the nature of things? Maybe it's the Everyman? The information that could be dropped has crazy potential here.

That said, as for the secret boss, I think the most relevant route would be something involving the labrynth that Noelle discussed in the secret post about the Glacier Palace that I discussed above. Seeing as it's greatly related to glitches and hidden areas like the door The Roaring Knight uses that's hinted to exist here (as hinted by Toby's unused intro using The Roaring Knight by The Door), it would only make sense to me if the boss was Dess Holiday. The blue soul color is related to ice, as Papyrus, who once bore it, resided in Snowdin, and is also related in the literal sense to being a "cold" color, similar to how Sans was cold during the Genocide battle in Undertale. To me, this is the only logical conclusion, and as for whether it hits the mark or not, I can't say.

ALL THIS SAID, THIS HAS BEEN A VERY LONG POST. I CAN'T WAIT FOR DELTARUNE CHAPTERS 3-5 AND I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE IN CHAPTERS 6 AND 7.

If you like the theory, please remember to like, subscribe, and hit that be- *GETS HIT BY BRICK*

okay but for real. please share if you agree in some way. I feel very confident about this, and would love to see what comes of it. Thank you for listening to my lengthy wall of a post, and thanks for coming to my TedTalk.

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starshields · 2 years

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Okay, so this is *definitely* just a crack theory that is most likely wrong, but what if in the last chapter of Deltarune we go into that red door at the end of the map, only to find that it is the Underground, but empty. Devoid of life.

Except the weird science man who lives in said cavernous, partially-lava-filled basement. For some reason. Idk, scientists are weird.

And therefore the last chapter is just us-the red soul, who has been to the Underground before, returning again once more.

This would make the Underground officially, finally go ‘empty’ by saving (or not) (hahaha insert Snowgrave joke here) the last Monster left behind? After all, if Gaster never left the Underground in the Pacifist Ending of Undertale, then that means the Underground was never ‘gone empty’, correct?

Therefore, Deltarune is simply a massive cry for help from the Goop Man himself to finally set him free from the Underground, fulfilling the prophecy stated in the original game that was never actually fulfilled in the first place (and also explains the religious themes in Deltarune if we are the Angel mentioned by the Priest Guy)

#deltarune spoilers #deltarune #god help me i am rambling once again #w.d. gaster #gaster #crack theory #shitpost #i become more unhinged with every shitpost i create #Scientists themselves need to be studied in labs tbh #Gaster is proof of that #fictional proof #but still proof #undertale

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lilybug-02 · 4 months

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Oh yeah, you made a post a while back talking about the unclear nature between animals, monsters and humans. And whatever these three things are connected through evolution. (hell you questioned if animals exist in undertale) Im just gonna say, monsters turn to dust, but snails, an animal, dont in undertale. Unless snail pie turns out to have been dust pie all along...which i uh doubt.

That’s what I like to hear! >:) 🔥

Discussions and theories on this are few and far between. And even though Toby Fox will (probably) never answer any of it, I love trying to figure it out for myself.

Evolution my dear bread crumbs is key. And I really want to think that “magic” is engrained in this world as much as Carbon itself is.

#bread #ask stuff #deltarune #Undertale #undertale theory #deltarune theory #I need to find the tag that connected all my crack theories #I made one…kinda #Deltarune and Undertale evolution theory

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jugularbeat · 2 years

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Do you know what Knight candidate would be the most shocking? Which character being the Knight would be so very connected to the themes of dreaming, darkness and snow? One that appears near an in-universe cryptid, who is shown with papers in the undertale tarot cards? Papers that may be seen in the storage closet before it falls? One connected to the FUN values, something that we have strangely not yet seen in deltarune? One that might be foreshadowed by Jevil's defeat dialogue? One that may or may not be a rip-off of Cucumber Quest? I present to you:

#undertale #deltarune #deltarune speculation #crack theory #utdr #ice e

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wildshadowtamer · 2 years

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Crack theory that when Asriel comes home at the end of deltarune hes gonna be like "hey i wanted to introduce you to my partner" and he steps to the side and the vessel you made in chapter 1 steps into the room and kris audibly goes "WHAT THE F-" and then the game ends

#undertale #deltarune #asriel #deltarune asriel #kris #vessel #crack theory

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kogetaikid · 1 month

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Alright Guys. It's theory time. But first, have this super lazy Sour Patch Kid looking ass diagram of the eight fallen humans

I would've added the switch soul. But at the time that i'm writing the first half of the post, it's 10:30pm and I'm tired.

I guess I'll take this as an opportunity to say that reader discretion is advised. This post will deal with serious topics revolving around suicide, child abuse and child neglect. Please remain civil and respectful while interacting. Debunking/constructing on this theory is greatly appreciated, but no "oyasumi", "going to get milk" or any sort of jokes surrounding these topics are not allowed and I may even block you if i have to. I like dark humor but this post isn't made for humorous purposes. Proceed with caution.

[Several hours later/I've had a good night's sleep/Keep reading for theory]

(Sorry for all the warnings. I just wanna make sure that anyone who gets upset by these topic have scrolled past already)

THEORY TIME!

(Sorry if this is incomprehensible af. I could prob make an AU out of this but don't count on it. I've tried making AU's before and couldn't keep up)

If you've been a fan of Undertale and Deltarune for a long time, you may have come across a lot of theories on the fallen humans coming from dysfunctional households. I've seen many people theorize/headcanon that Chara, the first fallen human after the war between humans and monsters fell from Mt. Ebott as a suicide attempt, and tried poisoning themselves prior to surviving the fall, meeting the royal Dreemurr family, accidentally poisoning Asgore. I put "suicide attempt" in bold font because even though the humans in Chara's village thought Asriel killed them when they died, what if a small percentage of the villagers didn't believe Asriel killed Chara, and some of the humans suspected suicide.

This could've lead to other humans (specifically the children) who come from dysfunctional families and where tired of either the abuse and they had to endure everyday seeing Chara and Mt. Ebott as a way to escape.

In short, Mt. Ebott was a suicide spot for abused kids

Something to support this claim can be this piece of text from the Undertale intro.

In the Undertale intro, we see Chara, the first fallen human. The main protagonist, Frisk was the eighth (and depending on which route you take) the last human to fall into the underground.

At the end of the pacifist route, Asriel talks about how Chara hated humanity and asks what Frisk fell in the first place.

One can assume Frisk wanted to free the monsters, but even with some before hand knowledge, it's highly unlikely that Frisk would've known about Flowey/Asriel and all the shenanigans from the pacifist route.

To top it all off, the reason why I quoted "legends say that those who climb the mountain never return." is because it can be taken in the concept of Mt. Ebott being a surefire way to kill yourself. Especially if seven others died prior; six of them never returning to the surface. Therefore, you're bound to be killed either by the impact of the fall, or by other monsters.

I hope my tired ass is making sense. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DEBUNK! Here's the post prior to this. Good day. I shall be waiting for my (somewhat) loving family to arrive in a good few hours.

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