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quickreaver · 10 months

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Emptying my brain...

Recently, there was quite a kerfuffle in the SPN fandom, over the realization that several self-proclaimed “BNFs” had been Mean Girling fellow fans into hating on certain other fans and certain other members of the cast of SPN. Thoughts have been percolating around in my head about this for a bit. Here goes... There has already been some discussions of warning about how cult-like these tactics seem: the initial lovebombing, indoctrination, evolving into intimidation and threats if people don't fall in line. The hunger to belong and smug feeling of group-think is a helluva drug. The fear of losing favor and being ousted from the silo is also a helluva withdrawal. I wonder if there's a reason all these manipulative personalities, every one of them, have been from the Destiel quarter of the SPN family. Is it sheer numbers? Or does it begin with the selling of the ship as this monumental slow-burn greatest love story ever told (even though the show's actual canon does very little to support this fable)? The relationship between Dean and Cas has been romanticized to a legendary degree, and the fanon has become the preferred telling of the tale, replete with lengthy subtextual navel-gazing over lamps and fictional beer brands and artfully staged gif sets on tumblr. Every whiff of the show has been recontextualized to point to Destiel. A stroll through any given list of Destiel All-Time Fave Fics is chock full of AUs and characters that feel more like Any Two White Guys than the actual characters from SPN.

Maybe this primes D/C shippers to be more susceptible to grift, to believe anyone with charisma and confidence and leadership aspirations, who promises the fruition of some manner of Destiel endgame. Which, okay. I totally get how deeply we often feel about our fandoms and the dynamics, how we project onto the characters and idealize the ships as more than the show intended.

It'd be fine... if fans then didn't feel the need to evangelize for the ship and punish those who got in the way. Some groups have been actively attacking the cast and parts of our fandom for years, as well as making actual bank off it all. Under the guise of inclusion and camaraderie, they dangle paying admission into their sacred inner circles like worms on hooks. They took, and are continuing to take, money to offer glimpses behind the doors of their Patreons or special levels of their Discords, where those lucky customers would theoretically be honored with friendship (parasocial, much?), and gifted with the potential of supposed insider info, and/or proximity to the cast and crew at conventions. In return, that same congregation would be used as a tool to attack and discredit the parts of the SPN milieu that the grand poobahs dislike. They would be asked to buy their merch, to keep their secrets, to send hate mail to each other in order to place the blame on “the other side”, try to get competing fans (or even TV shows) canceled, carry the torches of hate, and the list goes on. I don't know where this is going exactly, but there's a difference between bickering over which ship has the best blorbos or whose fave is the most girlboss, and actively trying to generate a lemming-like mass of obedience, enough to impact the IRL health and well-being of other people. Fandom can rally to accomplish such good feats (and lord knows the companies and studios that own our favorite franchises have figured this out), but every coin has two sides. Just, be aware of which one you're on, I guess.

#thoughts on fandom cults #the whys and wherefores #spn fandom meta #quickreaverspeaks #and it's probably a bad idea #not exactly Destiel positive?#thoughtful wank

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insanesonofabitch · 6 months

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Kind of funny. SPN was supposed to end in s5, with Sam in Hell, Cas in Heaven, and Dean on Earth, living with a wife and a son. But it ends after ten more season later with Cas in superhell, Dean in Heaven, and Sam on Earth, living with a wife and a son. Like some fucked up game of musical chairs. Except the chairs are never taken, the song remains the same, and they’re just going in circles. Anyways, Happy November 19th.

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destiel-wings · 7 months

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this is dean directly speaking to us with the fanfiction writing power and living outside of the narrative he's trapped in, asking us to do what chuck and the cw don't allow him to have

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deancasforcutie · 11 months

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the way spn is positively ENTRENCHED in queer cinema history

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haley-harrison · 26 days

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is this anything?

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kiwifruit67 · 22 days

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I was talking to my friend who doesn’t read fanfics and they were like “what if there was fanfics about fanfics?!”. They were saying it like it was such an outlandish and wild idea. I just have one word…….Supernatural.

#I mean other fandoms do it as well #but this show is known for its meta madness!#destiel #supernatural #dean Winchester #dean x castiel #deancas #castiel #spn #spnfandom #spn shitposts #supernatural shitpost #fanfics #supernatural fanfics

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i-isa-i · 11 months

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I think it’s so interesting how much authority is awarded “the author” in different fandoms. You always here people scream “Death of the Author” but still hold up authorship as an authoritative concept.

Like, when Buffy had bad storylines the consensus was something like ‘trust Joss Whedon” who btw turned out to be a horrible person.

Similarly, Kripke was kind of deified by the fandom (and also kind of by the show) during early seasons spn.

Even disclaimers on fanfics show this dynamic. Why did we write stuff like ‘these characters belong to JKR’?!? Like no shit, I didn’t create Sirius Black but the character still doesn’t belong to that woman?

It’s so interesting to look at the stark difference between gomens and spn fan discourse at the moment. I’m not saying one way is the right way, just that the dynamics are interesting.

Neil says something and most people respect it, some even see it as their duty to act as his apostle and spread his word. People are in his asks to try and get his opinion on certain fan theory bc they consider him the ultimate authority over canon.

And then you have spn fans, especially destiel fans. Not only do they not care what kripke/ dabb or most of the show runners say, they actively oppose the “authors”’ perceived interpretations of the characters and routinely make fun of them. Dabb says he wrote a finale that is only meant to satisfy 30% of the fans and the rest of the fandom decides to strike it from canon and collectively produce enough fix-it fic to fill a library.

Can you imagine what would have happened if Dabb or Kripke or whoever had asked the fandom to keep a spoiler or leak like the gomens one a secret?!? It would have become a meme in 5 seconds and it would have trended above a historic election.

#Fandom meta #fandom culture #spn #gomens #death of the author #supernatural #destiel #fanfic and authorship #neil gaiman #andrew dabb #eric kripke #buffy #i do not support jkr #gomens s2 #gomens leak #good omens #good omens discourse

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boywifesammy · 5 months

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i will always love spn not only because i like the show but because as someone who enjoys fandom & transformative fiction, it is THE foundation for modern fandom. it’s a pillar of the fandom experience. this show lead to the creation of ao3 and the entire omegaverse. simply from a historical perspective it holds so much weight & value and u gotta take some joy out of being a part of that.

#oc #supernatural #spn #sam winchester #dean winchester #fandom meta #thinking about this bc spn might be one of the only shows that id get a tattoo of #because i love the show yes but also such a large part of my life is transformative fiction #and spn is like. fandom history. its THE show #yknow #even if my love for the show ever waned id have infinite respect for what it is

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infinity-brain · 21 days

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Every single movie!

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stingrae-gayy · 1 year

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I think what makes Goncharov so compelling is that it combines some of what I like to call Tumblr's Greatest Hits.

1. Fandoms overanalyzing properties in ways the creators never intended or could even comprehend. (See: miles long meta posts, Cas is Lamp, homoerotic angst read into action/comedy content like Pacific Rim or the MCU)

2. inventing something extra-canonical and acting like it is an actual part of canon. (See: Glup Shitto, TAZ Grad's Bingus debacle, BBC Sherlock's Sebastian Moran as played by Michael Fassbender)

3. the ages old tumblr experience of only learning about a property via gifsets and fandom textposts that end up on your dashboard (See: people thinking Destiel was another angel, thinking Destiel was canon ages ago, knowing inside jokes for fandoms despite never watching whatever the fandom is based around)

And lastly,

4. Making fun of non-tumblr users by way of making fun of tumblr users (See: simply saying things like Horse Plinko Eeby Deeby Blorbo lil meow meow Super Hell)

All of these have combined into a mass hallucination of a film that has not ever existed and yet has a cast, plot, director, release date, narrative themes, subtext, ships, fan theories, etc. This shit is incredible

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quickreaver · 10 months

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hi, friend.

i come in peace 😁

i think you're missing the truth of the matter.

and the truth is: they are like five people.

this perceived war among factions of the fandom is between just a handfull of old people who have been in this fandom since 2005 and thats why they feel so entitled.

both factions have done terrible things and treated people like trash. both factions have badmouthed members of the cast and in occasions were rude directly to the face of actors.

the mistake here is to assume that every single destiel shipper is batshit crazy, or that every single Jared and only J2 fan is racist and homophobic.

because that's not the case.

i've been in this fandom for 8 years, and not once have i ever paid money to anyone in exchange to having acces to supossed inside info.

neither have the people i've been interacting with.

it's just a matter of comon sense, and to treat people like people.

be careful with who you follow and who you listen to. because i can assure you that both factions are full of shit one way or another.

This is an odd comment. I have to assume it's in response to my observations about the 4 or 5 different cult-like groups that have sprung up in the SPN fandom since I've been in it, which, looking at my Livejournal, was 2009. (And I'm sure I've not noted all of the groups, but these are the ones that have gotten in front of my eyes.) My post wasn't about bad fans on both sides. We know, statistically, that there are. Because people do people things. We're mean little creatures. It was about my curiosity over how the biggest, most self-eating parasocial groups have primarily consisted of (and have been taking advantage of) Destiel shippers, and why that might be occurring. This sort of narcissistic, disrespectful behavior seems especially brutal, given that they're doing it to their very own "friends". Your experiences with fandom, nonny, do not represent everyone's. Nor do they mean that the groups I was referring to don't exist. Congrats to you for not having been suckered by the manipulators. Give yourself a cookie. I get one too, because I've never been this gullible and desperate either. But the cold hard fact is that these people do exist, they did bully, manipulate and take advantage of their fellow shippers, they demanded certain hateful behaviors in order to stay within the sacred circle, and it really do be like that sometimes.

#hope this clarifies my position #now let's all go have cookies #spn wank #one of the many destiel dilemmas #spn fandom meta

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soullessjack · 6 months

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stealing this from another post but like it’s rlly so fucked up to me that jack in canon is practically begging the people around him to see him as an adult, as a whole person whose choices are his own and who he has sole responsibility for and to just have his autonomy recognized and then the fandom actively strips him of all of that and treats jack like a silly baby who doesn’t know any better so nothing is ever his fault and is only set in front of dean and cas for decoration. woohoo love that for us

#guy who is begging and pleading to have his autonomy recognized-> fandom who is obsessed with removing it #cool and awesome #spn #jack kline #spn fandom #spn meta #(?)

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ecoamerica · 1 month

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flugame-mp3 · 23 days

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OH YALL WERENT KIDDING SAMS FIRST REACTION UPON HEARING ABOUT DESTIEL IS TO GO "what about... sastiel 🤔" IM DEAD

#samantha i am on to you.#spn #theo.txt #every day i endure the fandom meta episodes im dead #sam is so unbothered i love that hes into this #'rpf is fine' -sam winchester #spn liveblog #spn 10x05 #sastiel

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watching-sam-and-dean-again · 7 months

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Watching a reactor on YouTube who just got to Season 4: Lazarus Rising, and I’m so annoyed by the amount of comments with people saying things like, "this is when the series REALLY starts" and "Seasons 1-3 were the prologue, now The Story begins" and "I’ve been waiting for you to meet my favorite character!"

First, I will never be able to understand Castiel being someone's legitimate favorite character. I just don’t get it. He starts off as a massive dick, becomes an ally, uses and betrays both brothers a number of times, rarely takes full responsibility for his actions, and ends up as a totally different and neutered version of himself. But this guy is your favorite!? The only reason I think a large number of fans who love him do is because he comes in the gate treating Sam like crap and he becomes a simp for Dean (or they are shippers). Also, if someone is a more casual fan, I can see enjoying Cass because he’s quirky and he mostly stands up for the Winchesters, but if someone is a big fan of the brothers, Cass makes their lives harder a lot of the time. Also, I’m coming to really hate the fact that the dude is always in a trench coat. How am I supposed to take a character seriously who is essentially like an unchanging cartoon character come to life? Anyway, despite how it might sound from my ranting, I actually do think people are allowed to love whatever character they want, but it just doesn’t compute for me personally that it’s Cass as he is on screen (not in someone’s head).

Next, the idea of people calling the first three seasons "The Prologue" to supernatural is offensive to me personally (well, not offensive but it’s dumb as hell). A prologue is used to give some important background that should be known for you to better understand the main story, but it happened before, or doesn’t quite fit into, the main narrative. I’m sorry, but the first three seasons of Supernatural are the foundation that everything builds off of, and maybe I’m splitting hairs here, but it’s not just the set up to the Real Story. The Real Story of Supernatural has always been and will always be "the epic love story of Sam and Dean," not the angel crap. Calling the basis of the whole show the prologue has an implied message that it’s not as important as, or connected to the rest of the story. Again, people are allowed to have their own opinions about what they enjoy in media, but this idea that what came before Season 4 wasn’t as important as the rest of the show is actually bad media literacy, especially when you consider how much retconning and inconsistency later seasons have (*cough* John Winchester, for exapmle). The early seasons are Supernatural at its most pure, and if you don’t like or care about Sam and Dean's story, what are you doing here?

I was going to go on by listing all of the important things that we learn about Sam and Dean's characters and relationship in the first three seasons, but honesty, I’m tired. If you’re reading my post, I’m sure you already know. True fans of the show, even if seasons 1 to 3 aren’t their favorite, know how important these seasons are. Frankly, if someone claims that they don’t matter as much as the later season, then I’m going to assume that they are probably a heller (and I’m probably right), thus their opinions on the show don’t matter.

Speaking of Hellers, they are the Jehovah’s Witnesses of fandom. They descend on your doorstep (YouTube video, blog post, etc), uninvited and unwelcome, to make you uncomfortable by forcing their literature (head-canons and subtext) on you in a vain attempt to make you convert to their twisted version of a cult religion (Destiel). Some get indoctrinated into their cult, others consider them a joke, and yet others are driven to madness by the constant hounding of the hellers. I wish they would just stay in their lane and let people come to their own conclusions about the show and the characters, but they try to gatekeep the fandom experience by jumping on anyone new and telling them how they are the "most popular ship" and that supernatural queerbaits, but Dean and Cass are still totes husbands, and there is some other guy there, too but Sam is just some jerk who isn’t as important as Wuwu Dean and their Little Meow Meow Cass. If somone actually sees and enjoys Destiel on their own, great, good for them; they’ll find the blogs and groups who love it too. Hellers don’t need to try actively recruiting people. It’s all just a numbers gone to them. We have the most fanfic (um, yes, because the show doesn’t deliver what you want), we are the most popular ship (sure, because the other main ship is brothers which squicks some people out, and because you crucify anyone who admits to being a Wincest shipper), and they tell the stupidest lies (the show shifts away from being about the brothers, and focusses more on Dean and Cass' "relationship," and Sam isn’t as important to the story later). I wish they would just stay in their own sandbox and not come pee in everyone else's. Cult like behavior in action.

Okay, deep breaths. I’m grad I got that one off of my chest, but my blog is getting very ranty. I’m going to try make sure my next post is a positive one.

Happy weekend everyone!

#anti hellers #anti destiel #supernatural #sam and dean #spn meta #Fandom BS #Castiel critical #the epic love story of Sam and Dean #thanks to the gif makers

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thefabledpheasant · 2 months

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I just saw a tiktok by @jacklesspn that showed a picture of Cas with the text:

“remembering he’s never been told he’s loved”

WHAT??? Oh my god I’ve never considered NO ONE has ever said that to him and now it’s all I can think about.

How could you do this to me.

How could they do this to him.

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no-nightingalez · 10 months

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meta is trying to lure the twitter refugees over to threads with their lack of bots and straight forward UI, BUT do they announce the news through a meme template from the hit cw show, supernatural? that’s what I thought

#meta threads #threads #instagram threads #twitter is dead #twitter #twitter refugees #tumblr #spn #supernatural #spn fandom #supernatural fandom #destiel #my txt

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