#Basically everyone saying that Marinette deserves better

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Graveyard Siblings (12)

[Masterlist]

(Part 1) (Part 2) (Part 3) (Part 4) (Part 5) (Part 6) (Part 7) (Part 8) (Part 9) (Part 10) (Part 11) (Here)  (Part 13: The END)

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Gabriel sat and stared at the white walls of the interrogation room as the French police investigated the murder of one Maria Todd-Wayne.

MT’s personal assistant, Tam Fox, had received a distress signal from her employer that she had on her since she was from Gotham and had experience various dangerous situation.

Tam went to see what the situation was only to find a bloodied Gabriel Agreste laughing over Maria’s corpse.

According to the Police, evidence and the cameras in the mansion (although the footage was a little finicky like something else was interfering with it.) had shown Gabriel panicking after accidentally pushing his assistant, Natalie Sancouer down the stairs where she had hit her head hard and fell unconscious.

Maria, who had scheduled a meeting with Gabriel to negotiate selling his company to her (which he remembered turning it down after she revealed who she was), walked in on the man while he was trying to move the body elsewhere. He attacked her, thinking she witnessed the fall and to silence her so she wouldn’t report him.

Natalie is currently in a hospital but doctors are baffled and unable to wake her up from her coma.

Although he no longer has a team of lawyers working for him, he managed to hire one of them with what little fortune he had left who had straight out told him that pleading guilty would be the best option.

He had killed Maria Todd-Wayne, MT, one of the world’s greatest and beloved designers since Edna Mode, and one of Bruce Wayne’s children. She also had a lot of celebrity friends like Luka Couffaine, Jagged Stone, Kagami Tsurgi, Felix Culpa and a few superheros like the Bat clan of Gotham, Wonder Woman, Superman.

All of them were calling for his head on a pike, none more so than the Wayne family who were using every resource at their disposal to drag the Gabriel name through mud and destroy whatever is left of what he had dedicated his entire life to built.

So even if by some totally impossible miracle he manages to get off his sentence (through bribery), there will be mobs out for his blood. Jail is the safest option.

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It was not the end of it. The entirety of Paris rear its head when the police uncovered evidence of his time moonlighting as Hawkmoth.

(When in reality, Tim and Barbara dug up many deleted files of his activity as Hawkmoth and left many tracks for the police to follow. There was a few planted physical evidence that Nooroo helped make it look as authentic as possible. Everything Gabriel had tried to cover up, the Bats made sure every dirty laundry of his was there for everyone to see. They are the night. They are vengeance and all that.)

Someone leaked the fake ‘journals’ Gabriel had apparently kept to keep track of akumas and their progress against the heroes. The last page had a paragraph where ‘Hawkmoth’ revealed Ladybug’s identity as Marinette Dupain-Cheng, one of Adrien’s classmates.

(No one ever managed to figure out who had leaked it. Meanwhile, a rich blonde who smiled at her phone before muttering to herself about how ridiculous and utterly ridiculous that she had no black dress that was appropriate for a funeral.)

Paris was horrified to find out that Gabriel had managed to turn Chat Noir against Ladybug and kill her and later, making her death to be a suicide and covering up her death by bribing some officers so the truth wouldn’t be revealed.

The city of Love mourned for their fallen heroine, who fought for them and was finally receiving the justice she deserved a few years too late. But better late than never.

There were memorials for Marinette Dupain-Cheng and lots of people visit her grave to leave flowers and gifts.

Nobody seemed to connect the dots on how similar the long dead Marinette Dupain-Cheng and the recently deceased Maria Todd looked.

Of course, this wouldn’t be a salt fic if Lila and everyone else get dragged along for fun. In HM’s journals, he mentioned getting the help of Lila Rossi (lots of emphasis on the name and many details so there is no doubt that he is talking about another Lila Rossi) for his plan to akumatise Miss Dupain-Cheng which many people now know was Ladybug.

Gina decides it was a good time to drop (a pre-approved) ‘Diary of Marinette Dupain-Cheng, Everyday Ladybug’ containing entries from Marinette’s diaries with a few things redacted for her privacy (plus Miraculous secrets). And all proceeds from the sales of the books going to the Marinette Foundation to help teens in need (set up with help from Wayne Enterprises).

People paled in fear at how close their heroine nearly succumbed to akumatisation many times as she was bullied and isolated.

The book showed how Ladybug was, under her mask, just human. A normal girl with dreams and a crush who wanted to do good for the world. A girl who was also severely bullied and isolated and received no help from the adult figures in her life and only had a few friends who tried their best to support her.

Lila and the akuma class were glared at and everyone whispered of every horrible thing each of them did.

The akuma class’s parents cried and yelled about how their kids turned out like this, and that they had taught them how to be better as they waved Marinette’s book in their hands.

Lila was last seen by everyone to be dragged out of the school by police officers and to be put on trial for aiding Hawkmoth as an accomplice.

Francoise Dupont was investigated and authorities were horrified at how deep the corruption was. Caline Bustier was fired without question and same with M. Damocles. The entire school was reformed and policies were implemented so nothing like what Ladybug had gone through would happen again.

The Dupain-Cheng bakery shut down and moved away from Paris after how many people tried to ask them insensitive questions about Marinette forcefully or vandalising the place for how they had mistreated Marinette.

The lawyer Gabriel had hired quit, regardless of how much Gabriel offered. Which was not very much to be honest. He had nothing now.

Gabriel was charged with a lot of things, his actions as Hawkmoth were at the top of the list and the murder of Maria Todd was second.

He was sentenced to serving a lifetime in a maximum security prison, somewhere cold and where he would have to do a lot of labour.

Natalie will never again wake up from the coma but she was also charged with being an accomplice.

Meanwhile, Emilie moved to London to be closer to her sister after hiding in the States with Adrien as she waited for Gabriel to meet his doom. (Gotham was considered but dropped in favour of the less gloomy Metropolis.)

Adrien gets some backlash for his actions as Chat Noir and his inaction as Adrien to stop Lila from bullying her. If he ever steps into Paris again, people threaten to hunt him down with pitchforks.

A few wanted Emilie to also get arrested but many were sympathetic towards her as she was mostly unaware of how she became cured and she later revealed that she was trying to get away from Gabriel once she found out that he was Hawkmoth.

Chloe did get some haters for her bullying but most of Paris forgave her due to her redemption arc and being friends with Marinette near the end of her life.

It helped that she also had the many charities and non-profit organisations she set up over the years with a few of them in honour of Marinette.

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Across the globe, the Waynes buried another family in the Manor plot.

Jason had insisted on holding off burying the body for a month in case she gets resurrected again and with magic you can never tell so the rest of them complied with his request.

After the one month period ended, they finally held the funeral that Maria had planned.

Jason for a long time stood in front of the grave, desperately hoping for his little sister to dig herself off like she did many years ago when they first met.

After hours had passed and nothing happened, he finally let go and mourned.

The following week, Gotham noticed Red Hood being more violent than usual and that none of the other Bats restrained him.

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Someplace far away, where it is nowhere and everywhere, where the laws of the universe were made and none of them apply, Marinette opened her eyes.

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In Tibet, Guardians tend to their business when an unsettling feeling enters everyone.

Days ago, the Order had come knocking in Gotham for the Miraculouses under Maria’s care. The Bats had handed them over without much resistance except Batman warning them that they would take them back if they were ever found used for evil.

Su-Han went to check on the Miracle Box.

Kwamis’ powers were usually unpredictable especially when they are emotional, with Tikki’s chosen recently deceased, she had retreated into a shell of herself as she grieved. Many other kwamis were in a similar state but Tikki was understandably hit the hardest.

As soon as he got within a few feet of the Box however, it opened and a huge beam of light came out. From within, nineteen balls of lights in different colours emerged and took on an almost humanoid shape with their respective animal characteristics.

The Kwamis were freed.

Soon after, other Boxes in the Temple and all over the world opened with all of the kwamis being freed. Most of them didn’t hesitate to vanish into their home realm where they were from.

Back in the temple, after other kwamis had vanished, only Tikki and Plagg had remained.

“Guardian.” Plagg said the title with mockery. The only Guardian who was ever worthy of that title was Marinette and she had earned it with her kindness. “I think you are wondering what the hell is happening.”

“I demand that you tell me what you are doing right this instant.”

For the first time in a while, Tikki finally spoke.

She told them about how Marinette before she died had managed to find out about the origins of the Miraculous and how Kwamis were not meant to be tied down to the physical plane for this long. 

This was the other imbalance that the Universe brought her back to fix. She had performed the ritual using her blood and soul to slowly destroy the binds tying the kwamis to their Miraculous.

It also meant that Marinette gave up her chance at paradise or reincarnation to give the kwamis their freedom.

“Do not retaliate by attacking the Bats and their chosen city. They didn’t know nor took any part in it. Marinette made sure of that. There will be consequences if you touch them.”

With that, Tikki and Plagg left the mortal plane.

“Sugarcube, just to check. The ritual protection spell we set for Gotham is still in place, right? The one which we changed one of the conditions to as long as they set foot with no intent of harm.”

“Of course, Stinky Sock.”

“Cool, just checking. Because you conveniently left that part out.”

“I gave them a warning. It’s their wish if they choose to ignore it.”

“I think I am rubbing off on you.” Plagg cackled, just thinking about the chaos that would be unleashed if the Order tried to get to the Bats.

Tikki ignored him and instead went faster.

Plagg easily caught up to her, “Looks like someone is eager to see Pigtails again.” He tried to lighten up the tense atmosphere Tikki was giving off.

“It’s not that. I have a feeling that They have more plans for her.” Tikki replied worriedly.

“Pigtails can’t catch a break and such is the fate of the Marked. If it wasn’t for that ‘man’, ” Plagg spat the word out like it was a curse, “this would have never happened.”

“The ones with the Mark are bound to serve Them. Those are the rules. I can only hope that I can give her the peace she deserved with my testimony.”

“And mine too. It is partly my fault that she ended up this way. I should have done better.”

“Plagg, it’s not your fault. You know that.”

“If I had reined in my holder-”

“The blame lies on the man who chose our holders and the man who chose to abuse Nooroo for his selfish desire.”

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Marinette looked around her surroundings. Everything was dark but somehow she could still see.

And she sensed many presences surrounding her.

“Who are you?” She asked.

WE ARE THE ONES WHO GAVE YOU THE TASK OF RIGHTING THE WRONG.

The voice was disembodied like many voices speaking over each other and yet somewhat in harmony. It sounded like wind chimes and also the loudest roar of thunder. The voice did not speak nor was it heard. Instead it was like the words washed over her like an ocean wave.

“Okay. So what now?”

YOU WILL BE SENTENCE-

“Stop.” Two figures appeared in front of Marinette. Both of them shielded Marinette from the other presences. “We demand a re-trial.”

There was a slight familiarity from them. One was a tall woman who was all red, from her hair to her clothes to her skin. They were all a varying shade of red with black spots dotting her body. She also had translucent wings on her back which fluttered.

The other figure was of a man who was all black like the woman from his body to his clothes. Marinette could make out cat ears on the top of his head and a tail lazily poked out from his back. The only colour he had other than black was two neon green eyes that held a mischievous glint.

“Tikki? Plagg?” Marinette asked.

“Hiya, Pigtails.”

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(Part 13: The END)

Note: This story is nearing its end. Thank you to everyone for being patient. I will try my best to give a satisfactory sent-off.

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ok since i’ve really only whined but not actually explained my reasoning lol, here is my take on the s5 finale. (this is long, sorry)

I think we’re all on the same page about the idea that gabriel being seen as a hero, by all of paris but especially adrien, is icky. and on top of that it does not feel good that marinette is supporting that lie, even if it’s out of love for adrien. most people are assuming this issue will be resolved somehow in 6, probably by lila exposing the truth. cool. that’s my hope as well. but even if that’s the case, i still dislike the framing of his wish and what the surrounding context seems to imply about it.

it is not my assumption that gabriel’s wish included green initiatives and a reformation of the parisian school system lol. I assume that his wish was to exchange his own life for nathalie’s. but as we know, wishes literally rewrite reality. the fact is that paris improved after his wish, so it is still related. he remade the world, and the new world ended up better. It all supports the idea that his wish was a good thing—a noble sacrifice that redeemed him in some sense. my impression is that even if (hopefully) he is exposed as hawkmoth, the actual wish he made will still be framed as admirable. obviously marinette found it noble enough to agree to lie to everyone about gabriel’s identity as hawkmoth.

which brings me to another pain point: the fact that gabriel essentially won the long battle against ladybug and chat noir. i’ve heard arguments that he didn’t win because he died and how is that winning? he got what he deserved in the end. but imo, he just put himself out of his own misery, because he was on the brink of death anyway because of his cataclysm wound, and he basically escaped having to face any emotional consequences from his literal terrorism and child abuse. and even if you don’t consider that a win, you also can’t consider marinette’s end of the deal a win either. her goal was to prevent hawkmoth from unifying the miraculous and making a reality-altering wish. which is exactly what happened. so she failed her mission. ladybug lost. and to me it’s sort of bizarre that the narrative seems to be framing that as a good thing? ladybug lost, but the new reality that resulted from it is so much better than the old one, and she is actively choosing to lie in order to protect the seeming goodness of that reality.

marinette is lying, of course, to protect adrien, which does not feel out of character. we’ve seen her do this before. but it is frustrating to me for precisely that reason. the final battle was meant to highlight how much marinette has grown over the past five seasons, but her choice here highlights the ways she has not grown. starting with syren in season 2, she has witnessed how much it hurts chat noir to be left in the dark and how it weakens their partnership. in that case, she convinced master fu to let him be in the know, and trust was restored. but then she continued a habit of keeping things from him, putting more and more distance between them, till it culminated with kuro neko in s4—a total breakdown of the ladynoir partnership, where chat noir renounced his miraculous. i would have thought that marinette would learn from that experience and realize that keeping people in the dark is harmful and that even if the truth hurts, adrien has a right to know it. but she once again made the decision for him, and when he finally finds out, it will be all the more painful to know that the person he loves and trusts most in the world lied to him. i actually really appreciate that marinette as a protagonist has such a good heart but is still such an imperfect character, so i want to respect this choice as a manifestation of her flawed but good intentions. i just can’t help but be really disappointed that after 5 seasons of making the same mistakes again and again, she has apparently not learned from them, which makes me feel she has not grown the way the writers say she has.

her facing hawkmoth alone for the final battle is supposed to be a sign of that growth—and yes, I can see how she has grown a lot in confidence and capability since her shaky debut as ladybug. but i also feel that her flying solo defies one of the central themes of miraculous: that in the fight against evil, good people need to stand together. just think of the difference between the s4 and the s5 finale. in strike back, ladybug is broken and sobbing because she has lost the miraculous and feels like a failure who is all alone. but then she is buoyed up by her faithful partner and all of paris, who express unbreakable faith in her and vow to stand by her side. that was so powerful! showing that she doesn’t have to be alone, and she’s not supposed to be alone, and that part of being a hero means accepting help and working with others to achieve good goals. this message was a major part of marinette’s character arc in s4 and it’s something that was introduced from the very beginning and has been supported over and over in the show. but then in “re-creation,” she has no team, and she doesn’t need one. which … good for her, I guess? But then why did we have 5 seasons of “you and me against the world” if in the end it was always going to culminate with “I'm sure we can figure out a solution if we work together. You … and me”—referring to Marinette and Gabriel, while Adrien is literally locked in a blank white prison hundreds of miles away?

it just really kills me that in kuro neko, adrien gave up his ring under the assumption that chat noir was not needed—that he was entirely useless to ladybug. and then the narrative proved him right. ladybug did not need chat noir to defeat monarch. she just needed his ring. the writers confirmed in their recent commentary that they had planned a bug noire fusion from the beginning, and they intentionally sidelined adrien so that could happen—they even had to figure out an excuse for why he wouldn’t be there. so they traumatized him with nightmares of destruction and fear of akumatization to ensure that he would once again give up his ring and conveniently remained locked away while bug noire faced down monarch alone.

you could argue that it’s better for adrien to have missed the final battle anyway, since facing his own father would just be even more traumatizing for him. i understand that. (that’s the reason i liked that in the owl house, it ended up being just luz vs belos, and hunter did not have to face him again.) but at the same time it feels so narratively unjust that chat noir—who has been fighting against hawkmoth by ladybug’s side since day 1—has zero part in seeing his mission through to the end. even though it’s all about him. because while marinette is the protagonist, adrien is the connecting piece of the whole story. it’s always been ladybug vs hawkmoth, and adrien is in the middle of them, because he’s both ladybug’s partner and gabriel’s son.

you’d think, logically, that as the connecting piece, Adrien’s decisions would be vital to the plot. That he’d have the power to tip it either way. but instead he is completely stripped of his autonomy—literally, because he’s a senti, and also symbolically in the narrative, because he’s simply removed from the equation. Like, he’s still central to the equation but he has no say in it. It’s all about him but he’s not even present. Everyone is fighting for him but he can’t fight for himself. Everyone is speaking for him but he doesn’t even have a voice.

the finale kind of sets up marinette and gabriel as narrative foils of each other, showing how they have the same motivation—to make adrien happy. and they make the same decision to protect that goal. which is interesting, sure, but also kind of effed up to me? i’m not sure what to take from the idea of the protagonist mirroring the antagonist in this way. that’s been done loads of times, but in this context, for a child audience, i don’t know what to make of it. what kind of message that is supposed to send to the children who are the primary audience of this show? ladybug is a good guy, and in the end, she’s just like the villain because they both love adrien and want to protect him. so that’s why she agrees to tell everyone the bad guy was a hero. ????

that gabriel/marinette parallel leaves adrien to parallel emilie, which makes sense and is fitting but also just sort of … depressing and again, lowkey effed up. that adrien ends up with the same narrative role as a corpse in a coffin. almost, like, macguffin-esque—a thing that motivates the agents of the story but has no agency itself. despite him being so central to both sides of the main conflict, his decisions don’t affect the outcome. because he doesn’t have the option to make any. because he’s not even present. both gabriel and marinette made a life-altering decision for adrien, thinking it was best for him, without considering that what’s best for him is to know his own story and make his own choices. him getting the rings was somewhat relieving, but it also felt like kind of a slap in the face. because it’s like, “look, adrien’s free! he has his amok and no one can control him anymore!” but, like, how free is a person who is living a lie? will he ever experience true autonomy, or will his life continue to be dictated by the decisions others make for him? will the narrative give him decision-making power or will his role continue to be symbolic?

one thing that makes this all extra dissatisfying is that Adrien literally does not have the option of getting closure with his father, because he’s dead. maybe a dramatic reveal in the middle of the final battle would not be the best way to go about it, but now he can’t have any sort of closure. in the owl house, it didn’t feel necessary for hunter to be present in the belos takedown because he already had his confrontation with belos in graveyard possession scene. belos tried to physically control him, and hunter broke free, and spoke his mind, and as traumatizing at is all was, it was good for him to be able to do that. it would’ve been so nice if adrien also had that opportunity. if he did break free from his father’s control, either by overcoming akumatization or the control of his amok somehow. or if not that, if he were just able to have one honest conversation with his father about emilie. like he did with his alt self in the paris special. it was so significant for the writers that bug noire detransformed and spoke to gabriel as marinette. why couldn’t adrien have done that? Marinette is the one to tell Gabriel that Adrien wouldn’t want him to make the wish and hurt someone else, that Adrien has made peace with his grief, that he has learned to cherish his mother’s memory without living in the past. wouldn’t that be even more powerful coming from adrien himself? if adrien was part of that final confrontation just as himself, we could even still have bug noire play a primary role.

i get that adrien being part of the battle is a risk, since we saw in chat blanc one option of how it could play out. but we also saw in the collector another potential way adrien might respond to learning that his father is hawkmoth—charging into battle by ladybug’s side. especially if he was given time to process the idea beforehand. it’s not impossible. you’d just have to compose the scene and its buildup a different way. so honestly it feels sort of lazy to just remove him for the sake of ease? and also sort of a waste of narrative potential? the villain being the father of one of the main characters is such an interesting plot element. imagine if luke skywalker did not ever face darth vader. if he never even learned that vader was his father. or if he learned that fact after vader’s death, which was the result of a confrontation he was not present for.

of course, i know adrien is not the protagonist. marinette is. and of course i want her to be empowered by the story. but i’m getting a little tired of what i see as kind of cheap feminism in ML. like, girl power for the sake of visibility so the writers can pat themselves on the back about it, if that makes sense? this show does have so much good feminist power with a strong female lead who has realistic flaws and a big heart, who overcomes self-doubt and other struggles, and who has proven time and again to be a smart, capable leader who has earned the trust of everyone on her team. but all of that sometimes feels undercut by the narrative treatment of adrien—like he has to be put down somehow to elevate marinette. ML has subverted gender roles in a lot of ways by having ladybug lead with her brain while chat noir follows with his heart. and adrien has a lot of other strong feminine associations—the focus on his physical appearance, the expectation of perfection and obedience, his soft and gentle nature, his romanticism, etc. And one of the biggest ones is all the ways he is trapped, all the ways he is pushed down and made to be submissive. they even depict him as a princess locked in a tower, with marinette as the knight in shining armor to save him from the evil dragon (his father). with adrien in that traditionally feminine role, it would have been empowering to see him to take a leading part in his own liberation. instead, he was locked away both literally and symbolically in favor of a solo bug noire confrontation, so marinette could look like a girlboss in her cool new outfit, taking on the bad guy all by herself, even when it would (imo) fit better with the themes of the show and her own character arc for her to fight alongside her partner. but as Thomas Astruc said, “She's Barbie, he's Ken. You don't like it. I get it. It won't change. Anything else?” (X) it just makes me feel that the writers cared more about the cinematic value and feminist brownie points of that battle than its narrative significance—which i feel could only be increased by adrien’s participation. “all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do nothing” … and that is all adrien was allowed to do.

i think a lot of fans at this point are just assuming that whatever feels dissatisfying/off will be fixed in s6. they’re trusting that the writers have a brilliant master plan that we just have to be patient and wait to see come together. idk, maybe i’m just tired. or a little jaded. i think there will be a lot to enjoy in s6, but i’m also prepared for disappointment. i honestly did not love many elements of s4 as well as s5, and i had expectations that weren’t fulfilled there either. i’ve felt let down by the writers many times now, so i expect that many of their future choices will  not resonate with me. but i still love ML, and I am eager to see how everything will unfold. i’ve also read a lot of other analyses of the s5 finale, and there are great points being made on many sides. this is just my personal interpretation and opinion. i did not like the finale when i first watched it, and after sitting on it for months and trying to evaluate my feelings and look at it logically, i still do not like it lol. if you do, great! this isn’t intended as a personal attack on anyone—just me expressing my two cents, which ended up being more like $20. thanks for bearing with me if you read all this ✌️

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[miraculousdeservesbetter2024]

MAJOR Revelation & Collusion salt/vent incoming:

Look, I’m sorry if I’m misunderstanding something here, but I really dislike these episodes.

Why? To me, it seems like that guy is using Gabriel (the main villain and known terrorist of Miraculous) as the main "mouthpiece" for the fans who have the gall to take up for Chloe or call out her bad character portrayal (“You have a wonderful life, power, wife and a daughter”).

It also feels like the exact same thing when it came to Lila in Revelation, using the whole “Chloe is capable of change” speech for her own advantage, similar to what she tried to do with Marinette in Chameleon with the whole "friendship and not fighting over a boy" speech. It’s like he’s using them both as mouthpieces to represent the fans who still think Chloe can change or has potential.

So basically he's saying "Only psychopaths think that. You should listen to Marinette when she says Chloe is incapable of change because she’s the protagonist, and you shouldn’t listen to Lila and Gabriel when they say that Chloe can change because they’re the antagonists!”.

It’s really frustrating because any other time, we are made to feel sorry for Gabriel despite everything that he’s done, now we shouldn’t listen to him??? This is really disappointing to think about because he’s ruining Marinette's character this way. I still like Marinette and I really do think she deserves better, but I’m starting to see why people are starting to dislike her. She's becoming ANOTHER Thomas self-insert (on top of the MANY he already has in the series). The guy loves himself TOO much, don't you think?

I'm going to be completely honest here. As a Marinette fan, I still think the way SOME critics go about describing/criticizing/disliking Marinette and her character isn’t necessarily correct, but I must say that it’s still understandable. This guy is basically making her into his own personal mouthpiece, making S5 Marinette’s portrayal the worst as it has ever been 😓

Which is really a letdown because I love Marinette. It’s Chloe’s “Darnation arc” all over again. He’s ruining characters and development just to push his own morals and fill his own ego to the brim and it’s a shame.

And before anyone says:

“Geez! I swear to god people act like they know Chloe more than her own creator!” 🙄

Maybe your right, but MAYBE it wouldn’t of turned out that way if the show wasn’t so inconsistent and contradicting all the time! This is another reason why I think people have so much animosity towards characters like Andre, because the story portrays him as the victim “this entire time” who only got into politics to please his father and Audrey, pretending that he was never a corrupt politician on his own free will. It’s questionable because…he made his own bed. He choose the life that he has now, to have a child with a despicable woman, choose to spoil Chloe rotten, not to discipline her when she was being rotten to other people, and choose to not be there for her for emotional support.

I’m not saying that Chloe bares no blame at all, but it’s not ENTIRELY her fault just because “she’s her own person”. There is such things as bad parents & bad role models 🙄 You don’t have the right to give up on your daughter, saying things like “you have a terrible/cruel daughter” or “you tried everything in your power to help” when all you really did from the beginning was enable her, let her make everyone’s lives miserable and not be there for her like your should have. Yeah, she’s horrible, but at least she has the excuse that she’s a child. Your not only a grown man, but her father.

This goes for other figures in her life also (Audrey, Bustier, her butler, heck, even Ladybug to a degree). People are right, not everybody is responsible for holding her hand through redemption/reformation (and I agree) and to coddle her every time she does something wrong, but to say that “they’ve tried everything/their best”…just isn’t true. It’s more of an excuse to give up on her. Then JUST SAY THAT instead of trying to convince everybody that you did everything that you could.

Enabling =/= Helping.

#andre salt #gabriel salt #slight marinette salt #Chloe salt #chloe bourgeois #collusion salt #lila salt #thomas astruc salt #anti thomas astruc #Thomas salt #mlb critical #ml critical #bustier salt #Audrey salt #miraculous ladybug #ml #mlb #miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #miraculous #miraculous tales of ladybug and cat noir #miraculousbeezcentral #andre bourgeois #rant #salt #marinette dupain cheng

[artzychic27]

Hello. I ❤️ your blog especially your science kids. May I see where one of them calls Marinette out like how Quagmire does it. Sorry for the awkwardness. This is my first time typing to somebody. 😊😊

Yes, honey! Yes! I have been waiting for this!

Simon, my favorite Irish tech geek, take the stand!

Marinette: Well, you don't need to look for somebody new. I'll hang out with you guys.

Marc: Yeah, you know, I don't think that's gonna work out, Marinette, 'cause of the whole Simon thing.

Marinette: What Simon thing?

Marc: Oh, you know, just that he hates you.

Marinette: Simon hates me?

Marc: Hates you.

Marinette: I... I don't get it. Why... why wouldn't Simon like me?

Marc: Because he thinks you're annoying. Like people who never shut up about their pets.

—

Marinette: Hey, Simon, what a coincidence. You and me just runnin' into each other. How, how ya doin'?

Simon: Fine.

Marinette: So… *Noticed Simon’s aunt at the checkout* Is that your mom? She’s beautiful.

Simon: That's my aunt, Marinette. My mother is dead to me, as is my father, and I hope they rot in their prison cells.

Marinette: Oh, God. I'm... I'm really sorry.

Simon: I got cousin who beat her husband. Wanna ask me about her, too?

—

Alya: Hey, what are you getting all dressed up for?

Marinette: I'm treating Simon to a night out.

Alix: Really? I thought he hated you. How'd you convince him to go?

Marinette: I tricked him. Sent him a phony card. He thinks he's going on a romantic date with Denise.

Myléne: But instead, you're going to show up.

Marinette: You got it.

Rose: Yikes.

Juleka: That's a recipe for disappointment.

—

Marinette: I'll bet you got... how do those things work?

Simon: What? My music videos? How does a music video work?

Marinette: Yeah.

Simon: … You want me to sit here and explain to you how a music video works?

Marinette: I don't know. Yeah.

Simon: You want to maybe just go?

Marinette: Simon, come on, I'm really trying hard here.

Simon: Who asked you to try hard?

Marinette: Nobody, but all... I'm trying to establish a friendship with you. All I've done is try to be nice to you, and you still don't like me. How can you not like me?!

Simon: … Okay. I'll tell you…. You are the worst person I know. You simped after Adrien while you were dating Luka and while Adrien was dating Kagami. The guy was writing you a song, gave you his favorite guitar pick, gave you free therapy, and that was how you repaid him? And to add insult to injury, you rubbed your love for Adrien right in his face. And you're so insensitive. You basically tried to kick Luka out of Kitty Section and make Adrien the lead guitarist? What the fuck? And what really bothers me, is you pretend you're this perfect girl who can do no wrong when all you are is a hypocrite, liar, and a word that’d make the Priest blush. Yeah, I lie; who hasn’t? At least I come clean about it in the end. I don't go on about how I hate liars and then stalk Lila trying to lie her way into Adrien’s pants, and then brag about how I’m some perfect angel trying to look out for everyone. You’re not a perfect angel. You’re a spoiled little, manipulative brat. You use those stupid dough eyes, tears, and sob stories about how much you love Adrien to get people to go along with your stupid plans. God, you make me sick! And you only delude yourself by thinking you're the greatest thing since slice bread, when you’re honestly just as bad as Chloé and Lila. Actually, you know, I should have known Denise didn't write me that note. Yeah, they actually have the guts to say things to my face without stammering like you do around Adrien when you’ve known the guy for almost a year! And I think what I hate most about you is your hypocrisy when it comes to Adrien’s love life, how he "deserves better," how Chloé is a spoiled brat only after Adrien for his looks, how Kagami is too controlling. Well, what have you done to prove that you’re not like them? I’ve only heard you obsess over his looks and “perfection.” Never heard you once talk about interests that Gabriel doesn’t force on him. You wanna get to know the guy? Talk to him! And, by the way, knowing Lila is a liar doesn't make you Jesus Christ. Yeah, I know about the Lila situation! And I don’t care! You wanna basically ruin your relationships with your friends by screaming in their faces, “Lila’s a liar!! Believe me, because I’m better than her!” Go ahead! Who the hell are you to act as if though you were in the right? Your impulsiveness in trying to expose her got you expelled, which isn't nearly as bad as how you treated your parents! Did you ever pay them back for what was meant to be a family trip to Shanghai? But you know what? I could forgive all of that, all of it… If you weren't such a bore. That's the worst of it, Marinette. You're just a sad, pathetic bore… *Sighs* Well, see ya, Marinette. Thanks for the fucking steak. *Leaves*

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous #mlb oc #Marinette salt #marinette dupain cheng #answered ask #ask me stuff #family guy

[gale-gentlepenguin]

Gale Ranks: Miraculous Ladybug Classmates

Thats Right! I am going to be ranking Marinette and Adrien's classmates from my Least Favorite to My favorite.

Rules:

I will be judging based on Bustier's Class. So No Zoe, Kagami, or Marc. Even if they hang out.

Marinette and Adrien will be Excluded from this list (Think of them as Honorary 1 and 2 if included)

I will be using all of the episodes that have come out as reference. And there will be potential spoilers up to Episode 20 of season 5.

This isnt about which classmates are the best or worst. Its about My personal like or dislike of a classmate.

Including Marinette and Adrien there are 15 students. So this will be out of 13.

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13th. Sabrina Raincomprix

(She doesnt deserve a gif.)

Yea... after the recent episodes I really cant bring any sort of desire to like you. Oh sure Chloé is cruel and Lila is a manipulator... Sabrina is just a spineless worm that lets others get hurt or even ASSISTS in it. There is a corrupt cop joke here but its too easy. Also even with that she has no personality outside of Chloé Lackey. Chloé wouldnt be able to pull off most of her evil schemes without someone doing the dirty work and sorry Sabrina, thats you.

12th. Chloé Bourgeois

A moment of silence for the wasted Character potential... Okay. So yea Chloé sucks. Granted the season 4 and 5 have gone so over the top with showing that season 2 and 3 were not actually important that it causes massive whiplash. I cant find myself hating her like I can with sabrina. I just pity this character. And that is even AFTER I saw what happened in Derision, though at this point I have no interest in seeing a redemption. The writers could have made her heel turn back to evil more believable IF they did it gradually with more effort. But its clear that there was no effort to do so.

11th. Lê Chiến Kim

This man went from top 4 on my list to BARELY missing the top 10. Just goes to show how much one episode can change one's view on a character. In some ways I actually would say I like him less than Chloé now... but Kim at least did apologize and did say he would make an effort to be better. But MAN, when I found out what he did I was watching Chat noir BEAT HIS ASS ON LOOP. You know I was about to give that boy THESE HANDS for that s***. Derision really shifted everyone's view on this once lovable himbo, now he is a dumbass.

10.Rose Lavillant

I just dont like her design that much. Her personality is the stereotypical bubbly girl. And while she does get some exploration on why that is... its never touched on again. Also I am a touch salty about Migration. Juleka was expecting to hear a confession but WE ALL GOT BAITED AND SWITCHED. Guess the show cant have any girl confessing to another girl unless that girl being confessed to is Marinette.

9. and 8. Ivan Bruel and Mylène Haprèle

So to me these two are basically interchangable in terms of ranking. Ivan is the gentle giant that is misunderstood. Mylene is the soft scarred cat that wants the world to be a better place. If I had to pick, i would say I prefer Myléne more, but thats because she gets more character development.

7. Lila Rossi

So Lila always struck me as a character with huge potential. The problem is the writers have no idea how to write a cruel, calculating and manipulative character without dumbing down everyone else to make her seem smart. Now in season 5 I have found myself starting to like her more. Is it because the writing got better? F*** no, its just been more fun with her in it. She is just clearly having more fun with it, and just seeing how the ridiculous plans somehow work almost makes it funny. Also its clear she is being set up as the next big bad, so I cant wait to see how convoluted the show makes her to make her WORSE than Gabriel. So unlike Chloé whose cartoonish evilness feels like a waste, with Lila it feels more fun to watch.

6. Max Kante

He built Markov. Plus after Gamer he has been a pretty solid character. I also do enjoy his support of his Idiot Friend Kim. Even if Kim doesnt deserve it. Also, he has the best transformation sequence. Boy goes WAY too hard for it. I also just think he is a charming character.

5. Nathanael Kurtzberg

Tomato son. While it took me some time to forgive him for Reverser. He is basically a shipper with Marc and its a fun time. I enjoy their plans and adorable antics. But part of me still misses season 1 Nathanael, wonder if he still had a crush on Marinette. Not much else to add, just that he is fun to have on screen and his english dub voice is still dope.

4. Juleka Couffaine

She has my favorite design of the Classmates. She does develop more as the show goes on, I would say she has the most consistant development of the classmates outside of the top 3 contenders. Juleka is now the lead of Kitty Section, and has some incredible Lyrics within her. She wants to stand out and wants to stop being a wall flower. I can respect her guts and attempts at growing and improving.

3. and 2. Alya Cesaire and Nino Lahiffe

The respective best friends of Adrien and Marinette. They are likely the most known about classmates of the Miracuclass. Well Alya is. Nino sadly doesnt get as much delved into. That being said, both are supportive friends and go to great lengths to help them. Nino is surprisingly the more chaotic of the two resulting in him thinking Chat noir was stealing his girl OR forming a resistance against Monarch. Alya learning her best friend's identity and being her emotional rock. Now I thought I would put Alya higher than Nino, but Nino's charm and antics make it hard to dismiss and so I have them both as a tie. Though they also had some moments (Thanks to bad writing) that make me cringe a bit.

1. Alix Kubdel

The most consistently written character in the entire class. The Time travel hero, a character that in my opinion is slept on a lot more than she should be. While I am not crazy about time travel, I do enjoy Alix as a character. She is fun loving and ready to call people out on their BS, also she gets some great lines. She also shows how much of a supportive friend she is to nathanael, Marinette, Ladybug and Chat noir. Its sad she had to go into the time stream to hide from monarch, but it is still a fun way to send a character off for a time

#ml #miraculous ladybug #miracuclass #ml spoilers #gale ranks

[starguardianniom]

Amélie's hatred of Gabriel

After seeing the leaks it makes sense.

Émilie was the heiress as she was the older twin and had the responsabilities and status that came with it.

Except when she met Gabriel, who was Gabi Grassette at that time, she decided to throw it all away to be with him.

So it all came down on Amélie's shoulders.

And it got decided she would not be making the same mistake as her sister.

She got married to a man who didn't love her, and who treated her son poorly.

Outright says the marriage was abusive.

From her point of view, her life turned for the worst when Gabi showed up in Émilie's life.

And now Émilie isn't even around anymore but Gabriel still is.

I can almost feel the saltiness coming from her at Gabriel being a nobody yet treated his wife lovingly, while her husband was someone important but couldn't have cared less about her if he bothered to even lift his little finger to try.

And somehow I can understand her.

The only good thing she ever got from it was Félix.

Probably why their bond is so strong.

Félix sees her as much as a victim as he was.

Like Amélie sees him as a victim as much as she was.

And given how she witnessed Colt's abuse of Félix, she made extra sure to love him even more.

It wasn't Félix's fault.

He's just a kid in all this that got handed one of the worst father.

After Colt dies, they're finally free.

They can be happy.

Amélie lets him have all the freedom he can have.

After what their life was like under Colt it's kind of understandable.

Félix in the show goes too far in his episodes.

Strike Back was the turning point.

I feel somehow that he tried to make up for it in Emotion with Red Moon though. By wiping Gabriel out, the kwamis that he gave him in Strike Back would be free, alongside his cousin.Freeing Kagami from her mom was also a bonus, but a welcomed one. When one thinks about it he was kind of undoing his treachery in Strike Back by going after Monarch himself and taking him out in 1 second with Monarch being completely neutralized.

Except his plan fell apart because of Marinette and her alter-ego Ladybug.

The irony that he had basically got rid of Monarch and freed the kwamis and he doesn't tell Ladybug about it means he loses his chance and she loses the opportunity of gettting them all back without knowing it I'm dying.

And he brought everyone back.

I feel he could have brought back everyone but Gabriel and Tomoe though.

Heck he could have kept Chloé's parents too.

She would get raised by her butler.

Chloé and Zoé deserves better parents.

Adrien would get raised by his bodyguard.

Kagami could be raised by Anarka, Luka and Juleka.

Back at Félix, his plan failed.

So he's gonna make a new one.

This time with Kagami's help.

I didn't see the leaks about what he would do apart from impersonating Adrien at the New Year's Eve party I think.

So let's see how it will goes.

Probably be his redemption?

Since he's seen with the other heroes in the storyboards of the full hero team.

I have no idea.

We'll see.

#ml leaks #ml bible spoilers #ml season 5 spoilers #ml s5 spoilers #ml s5 leaks #amelie graham de vanily #gabriel agreste #félix fathom #felix fathom #colt fathom #ml emotion #emilie agreste #adrien agreste #kagami tsurugi #ml analysis

[ridiculous-disaster]

Why did we need another season, I know it’s disappointing but please. We have like twenty heroes all at the same time. This should have been the end. Hawkmoth is dead, mayura is fine everyone is happy. All arks are basically finished. The yes Lilla would have been slightly disappointing but it would be better then dragging this further then it needed to. But no because greed I guess.

I am honestly worried that Chloe is coming back. Right now I can pretend that she was sent of to a boarding school like Zoe was and found people who care for her. What Andre did is so disgusting, he knew is was abusive and he did it anyway because “you can be terrible together”. Don’t get me wrong Chloe is a bad person and deserves punishment, but not this. Punishment is taking away her wealth, grounding her, or anything else a loving and/or sane parent does. This is not a good solution and even if Chloe becomes a better person she should not go back to Andre, this girl would do better in foster care. Saying that a child would do better in foster care is the worst statement to someone’s parenting. But Chloe is a child and foster care could allow her to see the type of family she needs.

I don’t want the terrible messages to continue on, enough damage has already been done to kids. From making stalking a sane thing to do. I am tired of the double standards, Marinette is excused by her trauma but Chloe isn’t? I am tired of this shows treatment of Adrien. He was a main character, not anymore, he wasn’t even relevant enough to be in the final fight. This isn’t “feminism” or “girl power” it’s just bad writing. And I am tired of people saying it isn’t. Feminism is about empowering women, not putting men down.

I’m tagging this as a spoiler as I don’t completely know the rules and it’s better safe then sorry.

#miraculous ladybug #mlb #miraculous #ml ladybug #marrinette dupain cheng #mlb spoilers #zoe lee #andre bourgeois #chloe bourgeois

[flightfoot]

Had an interesting interaction thought. You know I wrote that Queen Wasp fixit fic (which some folks seem to want to continue?)

Imagine a different scenario: accept canon up to this point. Maybe we even get Chloé herself exiled somehow with her mom (her dream right?) It turns into the nightmare that could be imagined Audrey as a parent would be.

From this Chloé does finally figure it out. Her mom doesn't care. Being rich doesn't mean anything. She has her own emotional crisis solo and finally returns to Paris to face her past. She seeks people out to apologize, and she does, sincerely.

When she hits Marinette though, after the apology, she rejects Marinette's acceptance of it, because Marinette was the one who *told* her to emulate her mother way back. While she isn't transferring her own responsibility to Marinette, she knows enough via therapy et al to know that was extremely messed up to do. So while she owes Marinette(and so apologizes), she's not ready to forgive Marinette yet and so can't complete the sorry/acceptance exchange.

Just kind of curious to see/think about how Marinette might react to that. I know there's a 'Mari is 14' defense but they were all 14 together. Just.. kind of a thought experiment.

Hm. I like the idea of Chloe figuring out that emulating Audrey is a bad idea and becoming a better person, but her confronting Marinette about what she said in Queen Wasp, calling her out for that, not forgiving Marinette for it... I don't like that.

Marinette:(groans) You're also wrong about your daughter not being exceptional. In fact, Chloé is exceptionally mean. She's the worst person I've ever met. She may be more heinous, pompous and selfish than you. Compared to both of you, even a rock seems more capable of love. (Audrey and Chloé are furious with Marinette for telling mean things to them.) Chloé and Audrey:(shouting) How dare you⁈ (gasp and look surprised at each other) Marinette: See? You're both much more alike than you think. (walks off; humming)

I mean, yeah, the way she tried to sort-of bond them together by basically saying that Audrey and Chloe are both terrible and deserve each other (which somehow does work enough to get Audrey to notice Chloe) was not the most brilliant idea, but considering everything Chloe did to Marinette and others before and after this point, her sticking on that point just makes her seem like she's a major hypocrite who is still likely to turn on everyone else at the drop of the hat if she can contort some way that she was "wronged".

She didn't really tell Chloe to emulate Audrey, she more just pointed out that Chloe IS very similar to Audrey.

Like I could see Chloe mentioning that this wasn't the best way to go about the situation, but what you outline sounds like Chloe actually blaming Marinette for her own actions and holding her partially responsible for how she turned out.

#ask #miraculous ladybug #chloe bourgeois #ml spoilers #ml collusion

[airi-p4]

If you owned miraculous what would you remove and add to the show

Personally i'd remove:

Remove the LS

Because it serves no real purpose to the show

Adrien agreste

He's only there because (If my memory is correct), Astruc said that, Adrien has to be in every single episode so that the the audience won't forget him which just means that he doesn't have any purpose in the show other than just being there.

Zoe Lee

It's so fucking obvious that she's just a cheap replacement of Chloe who just came out of nowhere just to take away Chloe's Life. She's basically a goddess of Mary sues at this point because she:

Already got a miraculous on her second day of Living in Paris.

Literally became friends with everyone on the first day.

She's literally Underdeveloped.

She has a Vague back story.

She literally became Daddy's favourite on the first day.

I wanna list more but u already get the point.

Now here's the things i'm gonna add

Basically all the ships that only involve Luka and Marinette. (u already know all of them)

Imagine If the LS wasn't about Adrien and Mari but Luka and Mari. I mean like:

Marichat X, Ladrien X , Adrienette X , Ladynoir X

Vipernette = 💙, Lukabug =💙, Lukanette= 💙, Viperbug= 💙.

(Don't worry about all the other Luka and Mari Ships like Vipermouse, I'll also make it canon)

2. Giving Chloe a redemption arc.

Chloe is a 14 year old broken girl who deserves to be redeemed, I've seen way worse and Chloe is nowhere near that Level of Evil. I don't know what Astruc means by "ShE dOeSn'T wAnT tO cHaNgE" She does want to change if u let her.

3. Making Julerose ships canon.

I'm too lazy too explain

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What would you remove.

Hi anon!

Canon wise: - I think Adrien/Chat had the potential, but the writers wasted it to the point they made me dislike hate his character. (So yes, he's useless in canon- I can't deny that) -I think the LS concept is good, but I don't like how it's been developed in canon. The potential was here, but now it's all cringe to me. Not needed either. - And Zoe? She isn't really needed, true, but I'm kinda neutral about her. -Chloe should be redeemable imo, too - she showed she was willing to become a better person and I think that cutting that character development down was mean specially with what they did with Gabriel and adults in general in the show. Now, canon means nothing to me anymore, so I'm taking these ideas you would add as fanon. -Chloe redemption? YES! It would take time, sure, but I'm sure she would make it. (I like her both as a "villain" and as a "friend"- frienemy?) -Lukanette love square? NGL- I want stories with every side of them. I'm greedy. I can't never get enough of them. I LOVE THEM. Still- I have to admit that I'm a bit wary because of what canon did with their main LS, but I'm sure it can be done better if it's Lukanette (Luka/Viperion would always be respectful to Marinette/Ladybug so that's already a better start). -JuleRose canon? ABSOLUTELY YES!

____________

I'm going to post a notice now, but I'm saying it here as well:

I don't care about canon anymore, so I don't think I want to answer to more canon related asks from now on. (You can still send them, but I'm probably not going to answer them)

Thank you for your understanding.

Have a good day!

#airi answers #airi notice

[skaylanphear]

Miraculous Future/Sentimonster Adrien AU

So once upon a time I had a Miraculous Future AU that I don’t think I ever talked about? But here it is! I think I’m going to tie it up with my Sentimonster Adrien AU. 

Trigger warnings for references to self-harm and attempted suicide. 

Basically, Adrien and Mari finally defeat Monarch Hawkmoth, and like in the fic I wrote called “Monster” (you can read it on AO3), he explains the reason why he and Emilie created Sentimonster Adrien, only I’ll tie in the rings and Felix and all that. EXCEPT that instead of Mari going up to find Adrien like in the fic, she never finds out that Adrien and Chat Noir are the same person. 

Therefore, Adrien is having to deal with the fact that his father is Hawkmoth and that his mother used the peacock to create him as a replacement for their first dead child. A lot to handle. So Gabe is arrested and put to trial, gets life in prison. Except he’s still infected with Chat’s cataclysm, so he dies, like, a year later. Meanwhile, Adrien has distanced himself from everyone due to the backlash of his father being Hawkmoth. That, and he’s dealing with his own personal demons as a result of being a sentimonster. He leaves Paris, severing contact with everyone out of shame and guilt and general self-loathing (what a happy AU this is). Then, say, two or three years later, Nathalie dies as well, because she’s sick from the peacock still, and so he loses her too. Just one shitty thing after another, because I like to torture the sunshine boy. 

So anyway, this all happens in, like, the first two chapters. However, on Marinette’s side, once the trial for Hawkmoth is done, she and Chat can finally reveal themselves to one another, which is something she actually wants to do now that we’re updated through what’s released of season 5. She and Chat have agreed to meet up or something, but when she goes, he never comes. AND she never sees Chat again after that. Adrien is too ashamed and heartbroken over everything that’s happened that his self-worth is in the dumps, and he’s pretty much convinced himself that he’s better off just... disappearing entirely. Ladybug doesn’t need him and his family drama around--she deserves better. So does Marinette, for that matter. 

SO THEN WE HAVE A TIMESKIP! Like, ten years or something. 

Marinette is the guardian again, only she doesn’t have Plagg or Duusu. She has no idea where either of these miraculouses are, and seeing as there’s been no disturbances caused by them, she’s never had any leads as far as looking. Part of her is betrayed by Chat’s abandonment of her, while another part of her fears the worst. They weren’t able to share their identities, so it’s just as Chat has once feared--that something may have happened to one of them and the other wouldn’t know. Of course, there’s nothing she can do about it, so she just... lives on. 

Mari doesn’t really “work” in fashion at this point. She still does it in her spare time, but I’m going to take a realistic approach and assume she’s still working toward that goal. As her day job, she’s a nurse or some kind of healthcare professional. I feel like that fits her personality and it fits the story too. She doesn’t keep in touch with everyone from their school days, mostly only Luka, Alya, and Nino (Alya and Nino are married?) Why hasn’t Luka told her who Chat is so she can find him? Well, she doesn’t know that Luka knows she was Ladybug, and he probably assumes they decided not to tell each other or something--he’s not one to pry. Anyway, so she lives in a flat in the city somewhere with all the kwamis and is leading an ordinary life. 

UNTIL Plagg suddenly shows up? That’s how I’ve always imagined it, tho I’ve entertained some other ideas. BUT FOR NOW, Plagg shows up and Mari is shocked to see him, obviously. But he’s anxious and goes on about how he needs her help, that he fears his holder is in trouble--that he might hurt himself (again). 

Adrien’s life has not gone... super great, obviously. He abandoned all his friends, the lawsuit against his father stripped him of any money, as the Agreste wealth was used to pay victims/damages. The only family he has is Felix and Amalie, whom he doesn’t have much to do with (I think? I’m not sure how big a role in this Felix will play, but I feel like he could be useful, as he’s also a “sentimonster?”). He’s been out of the public eye for a long time, and, to add to it all, he once tried to destroy his own ring--at a very low point--but it didn’t work. Instead, he very badly injured himself. He’s now disabled, being paralyzed from the waist down. He’s had a hard time, to say the least, and is in a very bad place mentally when Plagg breaks his word--as Adrien had previously made him promise never to tell Ladybug who he was--and goes to find Marinette. He doesn’t “tell her” who Chat is, but he does bring her to him. 

This starts a whole hurt/comfort thing where they both learn to deal with their problems and accept what has happened together. Very angsty, but I guess that’s what I’m in the mood for. Adrien is kind of a jerk, because he CAN be a jerk in canon when he’s upset, and Mari is distrustful and defensive. They have a lot to work through and, I dunno, I like a good angst-fest. 

Anyway, who knows if I’ll write this, tho I am thinking about it. I do like to be mean to the children.  

SEE YA!

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous #MLB #ML #future AU

[howhow326]

So I am really bored from not doing during Summer Break and I thought "what if I did the Tumblr thing by making an AU lol" so here I am! BTW, I'm not going to be making fanfiction out of this (too much effort), it's just going to be one of those old school, throwing my ideas out there sort of deal. Soo

Everyone is a monster but Alya AU (I can't think of a better name, sorry.) In this AU, Alya discovers that her friends and classmates are secretly supernatural creatures. The AU starts around Season 2.

(Inspiration: @justanotherpersonsuniverse there is other magic AU, that one is way better than mine you should read it. I also took some ideas from a sorceress Marinette AU but I can't find it)

Alya/Rena Rouge - Human

Still a journalist, Alya is now obsessed with supernatural stuff instead of superheros. She is also the protagonist of this AU because I say so

Although Alya is still interested in Superheros, she considers their existence proof of the supernatural

This rabbit hole all began when Trixx first words to Alya were "Aww, I got stuck with a Human! Why can't I get a Fox spirit again?" Ladybug had to shush her before Chat Noir and Alya could press for details, but even she could tell Alya already got some ideas

Trixx lasts holder was a Huli-Jing by the name Da Ji and, yeah, look her up. Trixx is also responsible for starting the Masquerade around the supernatural world, and the Masquerade inside it (Humans don't know anything, Magic Humans know everything, Vampires know some stuff, and everyone else are only aware of their supernatural faction). Now, Trixx is influencing Alya to break the Masquerade because she thinks it is the key to defeating Hawk Moth.

Rena Rouge kept her miraculous, in this AU Ladybug left before Alya could give it back. Marinette trusts Alya, but she isn't sure she can trust Rena. Meanwhile, Chat dosen't trust her at all. Anyway, since she is a full time hero now, Alya is dedicated to instigating the supernatural, which is surprisingly hard because Trixx refusrs to tell her things she dosen't know (Them's the rules!)

Marinette/Ladybug - Witch

Before she became Ladybug, Marinette was one of the most talented child witches in basically the whole world. Her father's side of the family are a long line of French alchemists that learned to hide their potions inside food, while her mother's side of the family are a long line of Chinese spell casters. Also, her grandmother is an Italian Witch. Basically, Marinette is kind of like Harry Potter but OP and more famous and with a living parents.

Master Fu really didn't know Mari was a witch because the Guardian Order is hiding themselves from everyone despite being magic humans. Tikki was really scared of a witch getting her hands on the strongest miraculous so she made Mari promise she wouldn't use magic while as Ladybug

Both of Marinette's parents know she is Ladybug and support her because she deserves it. Also, everyone in the witch world knows Marinette is Ladybug? But normal humans don't, and neither does Hawk Moth. Basically, everyone in the witch world is ID from birth so if Hawk Moth was a witch everyone would be on his back.

I'm not entirely sure how Alya figures out Marinette is a witch, so lets just say something similar to gang of secrets happens early. Marinette's friendship with Alya becomes strained, and the only out is Marinette telling her about her powers. Mari isn't very supportive of Alya's investigations, because it goes against Witch world law, but if Trixx is okay with it then she guess its okay?

Ladybug is so overpowerd in this au! In the Style Queen episode, instead of Plagg beating her, Ladybug just goes "I don't have a choice!" and uses magic as a superhero for the first time. She forces the Lucky Charm to instantly create one of her Dad's ice potions and just yeets it at Style Queen, which freezes her in place. She then uses a Destruction spell (basically a less powerful cataclysm) to remove the barrier around the Akuma and the rest is history! Although, after Ladybug de-transformed, Marinette faints from exhaustion. Tikki thinks that using magic with a miraculous might be draining even more energy from it's caster than normal and she makes Marinette promise again to never use magic as Ladybug, even if it's an emergency. Mari agrees... with fingers crossed.

Adrien/Chat Noir - Dhampyr

Adrien is half Vampire, half Human. The Human is Emilie and the Vamp is Gabriel. Gabriel really wanted to turn her into one, but she had to be willing in a blood sharing ritual.

Most Dhampyrs have a weaker version of their parent's vampire powers but Adrien straight up has ZERO powers. But he does have some vampire weaknesses, which Gabriel uses as an excuse to keep Adrien locked inside the house.

Vampire society is like Vampire: the Masquerade but less depressing. Vampires believe that they rule the night, and are ignorant of of most supernaturals. Of course, there are always rumors.

Plagg thinks it is absolutely hilarious that his new holder is a powerless Dhampyr. He told Adrien that if he wants his powers so badly, he could get himself killed so he can back as a real Vampire (which is apparently a thing that can happen). Adrien does not appreciate the joke. Also, Chat Noir does not have any vampire powers because a miraculous can only enhance what is already there.

Alya is on to him, she heard that he is allergic to garlic and silver, and that last allergy isn't a thing. She also learned he gets heat strokes easily and considers it proof that he is a Vampire. Marinette dosen't believe it because he can eat human food (Vampires can only eat blood, but not Dhampyrs) and he hasn't shown any vampire powers yet. Although she really disagrees because she has a crush on him. Anyway, Adrien is actively trying to uncover his father's secrets in this AU and since I have no idea how he is doing that he has no idea either.

Nino/Carapace - Half-Djinn

Nino's father is a human and his mother is one of the Djinn, which is the same thing as a Genie. When his father still lived in Morocco, he found a lamp in an oasis that summoned his mother (which is apparently a bit more accurate then being trapped but not by much) and wished for children. His mother granted his wish, and lived with him for a bit. However, it is against Djinn law to mingle with humans, so when their relationship was found she was removed in punished. Nino's father fled to Paris in order to avoid his own punishment for interacting with a Djinn.

That was really sad, so uhh, Nino has magic water powers! He can create water, make mist based illusions, and some other stuff! His magic isn't as broken as Marinette, but it is a lot faster since Marinette needs ingredients or spoken spells with hand signs but Nino can just... snap his fingers and do magic (Mari is so jealous when she finds out).

Alya dosen't suspect Nino to be a supernatural at all because he seems so... normal? But Marinette catches him purifying a dirty river during a class hike and tells Alya. Alya dosen't want to believe her, dosen't want to believe that Nino is lying, but she decides that finding out is Rena's job.

Rena Rouge stalks Nino to his house (which is bad but he did the same thing in Rocketear so whatever). Just as Rena starts spying into his window, she catches Nino making some mist illusions to entertain Chris. And before Alya can process what she is seeing, Chris starts shooting water out of his hands! Alya demands an explanation from Nino the following day, so he tells her the story from the first bullet point and... yeah. Alya apologizes to Nino and explains that she was scared him hiding things from her, so Nino promises to have no secrets from her from now on.

Wayzz isn't sure about a half-Djinn getting a miraculous, so he tells Nino to not use his powers while transformed. Nino agrees... and promptly disobeys him! Unlike Marinette, using magic while transformed dosen't hurt Nino, so he is free to shoot water at bad guys. Chat Noir questions how he is doing that and Carapace says "turtles like water?" Ladybug is annoyed, but since it helps the team it can't be that bad right? Nino using his water powers was the tip Hawk Moth needed to realize supernaturals are using the miraculous. Also, Nino is a full time member and gets his miraculous before Chloe in this AU because I said so.

Chloe/Queen Bee - Werewolf

Chloe's mother is now descended from French nobility that lost power during the Revolution, and Audrey encouraged her husband to become a politician because she wanted to live like a Queen. Also, Audrey's family are LITERAL MAN-EATERS!!! Man-Eating werewolves.

Most werewolves in Europe died out around the same time most wolves went extinct there, but the ones that managed to hide survived into the modern day. Chloe's family survived because they used their wealth and power to feed on the populace without anyone ever knowing.

When Chloe promises to become nicer in Despair-Bear, she actually stays acting nicer (with a mean streak) after the episode. I am restoring Chloe's character arc.

In Queen Wasp, instead of revealing she is a superhero to Paris, she reveals she is a Werewolf! And she attacks her mother, forcing Audrey to reveal she is a Werewolf!! Alya is losing her mind, Marinette is losing her mind, the Witch world is losing it's mind and going over doomsday scenarios (too many people saw the transformation for a forget spell to be used, the transformation was recorded on live TV and posted on the Internet, some of the people that saw are suspected Supernaturals that barely care about the Masquerade), the Vampire world is losing it's mind and realizing that they don't rule humanity, its crazy!

After going on a small rampage, Chloe transforms into Queen Bee in an ally way and props herself up as Paris new superhero that will "capture all the werewolves"! Team miraculous are scratching their heads on who she is, but Chloe immediately reveals her identity to Adrien so he can tell her parents she isn't coming home. I have no idea how the rest of the episode, or season, is supposed to go because Chloe blew everyone up!

Okay I was going to put the villains down here but this post turned out a bit longer than expected... which means there will be a next time!

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Nathalie is a little better than Gabriel. I will support her redemption if only because 1. She’s the only reason Adrien was allowed to go to school. 2. She is generally nicer to him than his father and has tried several times to appeal to Gabriel when she sees him upset. 3. She encouraged Gabriel to be honest with Adrien over what he was doing 4. We never got to see her in the aftermath of the reveals in Ephemeral or Chat Blanc. She gave Chat Noir up but it’s possible that she didn’t realize Gabriel would react the way he did.

It’s true she’s been supporting a crazy terrorist man and simping needlessly for him but I am just happy to see her (maybe) come to her senses and I’m more tolerant of her redemption than his. I don’t know how long this anti-Gabriel phase is going to last. He might lure her back in. In one of those screenshots it looks like she might get akumatized and be purple too? So she might say “he made us purple together and that means his love is true.” I’m hoping for the best anyway.

"HE MADE US PURPLE TOGETHER THAT MEANS HIS LOVE IS TRUE" 😭😭😭😭😭

I don't think Nathalie nor anyone is worse than Gabriel. Gabriel is the bottom of the bottom. I just find their relationship toxic and Nathalie's standards low af. Gabriel isn't even good looking and he doesn't have a nice personality.

At first I didn't even notice Nathalie. Then in Heroes Day part two I found her relationship with Gabriel already toxic and a huge red flag was how she risked her life for a man who just beat two children with a stick in front of her. He did THAT to Ladybug and Chat Noir in front of the whole Paris and Nathalie was like "I love him so much he deserves help he is a good man who loves his family". Then as the season 3 went on I disliked her and their whole relationship more and more, I already hated him of course. But the whole concept of what they have is unhealthy to me. Then in Chat Blanc she literally spent all credit with me. The "she didn't know what he was going to do to Adrien" could work if she didn't help Gabriel break Adrien's and Marinette's hearts earlier in the same ep. She already hurt Adrien, she broke his heart. Then when she snitched on him to his father OH MY GOD I WANTED TO MURDER THESE TWO ADULTS SO MUCH IN THAT EPISODE! Then Risk, don't forget it when she flew in to control Adrien with the ring cuz Gabriel couldn't. I don't see her as a momma bear nor anyone who looks at Adrien more than a tool to help his father. I literally don't care if she dies. I used to feel little sorry for her in Strikeback when she collapsed but now I legit don't care. I just want her to go to prison or whatever. Like people legit hate Marinette and then call Nathalie "power woman who has standards, successful queen" what's with the fandom praising every bad female character and hating the good ones lol?! I would rather give Chloé development at this point than Nathalie. Chloé has more potential and she's a kid, Nathalie is a grown woman destroying the world for a one inch long d*ck and now I'm supposed to forgive her?! The same woman who's creating and killing sentimonsters knowing full well what Adrien is. Also the same woman who is also teamed up with Lila and she helped Lila against Adrien in Ladybug. Also when she let Gabriel take credit for the gift Marinette made for Adrien... (also I don't need the "that's bc the writers hate Chloé and they will give everyone development before her" just admit the writers f*ck characters up quite often at this point that no wonder the fandom is so confused who's good and who's bad). I'm just so sick and tired of hers "oh no this is so sad Alexa play Despacito" moments. Also when someone compares Gabenath to Love Square 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 f*ck them.

Now I don't know if she'll come back to Gabriel but I always compared Nathalie to Serena from The Handmaid's Tale cuz they are basically the same character, but there was a part of the series when Serena was seriously considering leaving Fred (who is just as bad as Gabriel) and she was so close and then she came back to him even though she wasn't 100% happy with that choice she still forgave him everything. So everything is possible. I just know that it's impossible for me to like Nathalie like it's impossible for me to like Serena. When a character crossed it they crossed it. If Nathalie and Serena don't have standards I have them.

Also (this isn't about this ask tho) if Nathalie stans could just ignore my blog instead of harassing me and making fun of me for hating her that would be really appreciated 😘

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My Top Posts in 2022:

#5

Is there a problem with disliking characters?

Throughout my run of the Miraculous Fandom, there seems to be a notion that you aren't allowed to dislike certain characters. If you dislike Chloe, you get people spewing hate at you for not understanding her redemption arc or claiming you don't know how much she's suffered. If you dislike Lila, then you get people throwing insults your way about how you don't get her character or accusing you of being an apologist. Heaven forbid you dislike the main characters, especially Adrien! Seems like the so called 'golden child' is too special and lovable to be disliked, but we can slander Marinette till the cow comes home.

It's quite surprising how much we place attachment on fictional characters. Say someone likes Zoe for example. They say she's a great addition to the cast and has one of the best designs in the show. Now, depending on the person, they would either say that you are wrong for liking a "replacement" Chloe, spit at you for thinking such thoughts since Chloe was better, or even say you shouldn't like her due to Thomas being a jerk.

So, when we have people making art, stories, or post about a character we dislike, we want to get angry and tell them why they are wrong and that they should assimilate with those who enjoy the character.

This is forcefully imposing your ideals upon someone. Not cool at all.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, likes, and dislikes. Not everyone is going to see a character the way you see them. The problem we have is that when we anchor ourselves to that one character or characters, we tend to get defensive as if they were their own child. If you feel the need to impose your own opinions on a person, that just makes that character worse for the person.

Respect is a two way street. Maybe try seeing another side to the story. Instead of bashing the person, ask why they dislike the character. When you get your answer, respectfully nod and don't give sass. The worse you can do is force someone to like what you like.

Or you can be mad at me for not liking Adrien Agreste. Whatever catches your eye...

38 notes - Posted April 6, 2022

#4

This may be an unpopular opinion about Miraculous Ladybug.

I think one of the central themes of Miraculous is emotional intelligence.

Emotional intelligence is the basic understanding of how we view and handle our emotions. Whether they be good or bad, we all have to process how we feel in every moment. Through the acknowledgement of our emotional state, we can better ourselves and mature into a healthier state.

Does this mean that negative emotions are bad? Of course, but we need these emotions in order to learn and develop.

I see the usage of akumazations as a reflection of how people act and function in the real world. When one doesn't allow themselves to feel those negative emotions, they overwhelm them and overtake their reasoning centers. In a way, we become easier to control or become uncontrollable monsters.

Maturity happens when you realize that you have those negative feelings and turn them around for good. Take Kagami for example. When we first meet her, she's stubborn, driven by anger, and determined to win no matter what. As she progressed as a character, that stubborn nature was used more to protect her friends and assert herself. That anger that one akumatized her was now the driving force to save those who too was akumatized. That determination to win was changed into determination to pursue relationships with friends and, to a lesser extent, maintain one with Adrien.

The show is about teenagers, so don't expect them to be mature at this age. The frontal lobe, which dictates logic, reasoning, and emotions, hasn't fully developed yet. Everyone has to understand that Marinette, Adrien, and their peers haven't fully grasped their fluxating emotions yet. They are still learning discernment, how to communicate their feelings, and thinking before they act.

Marinette doesn't learn from her mistakes? That's not true. Marinette does learn from her failures because she's allowed to. Most of her mistakes weren't meant to be bashed, but to teach us how to behave. Sure, we may not have taken a friend's phone or snuck into their house, but some of you did far worst than that at her age. The mercy your parents, peers, or other important figures in your life showed you when you messed up is the same way you should treat her mistakes.

Adrien should be mean to Marinette or shun her? But why? The boy yearns for emotional connections and Marinette is one of the healthier ones in his life outside of Nino. Adrien is learning how to express himself, assert his feelings, and conveying his thoughts far more now than when we first saw him. I think Marinette being a positive influence in his life helped him to mature a bit as well.

Ultimately, no matter how we see it, the real people getting mad at Marinette and Adrien are those whose emotional intelligence aren't the highest. Those who haven't matured past their high school stage in life and trying to justify their reasons for hating a character that is a reflection of their own. Maybe we all need to improve our emotions and learn how to show mercy and forgiveness to those still developing.

After all, we wouldn't want to become slaves to our own emotions.

81 notes - Posted September 11, 2022

#3

Why I relate to Marinette: She's clumsy, but has good reflexes. She's organized, but gets frazzled when things don't go her way. She's smart and beautiful without needing confirmation. A natural born leader that makes mistakes. Able to make decisions, whether good or bad. Doesn't take crap from no one, but treats people how they liked to be treated. Is able to make friends with the most unlikely people. Always determined to make things right.

Why I relate to Adrien: Oblivious to people who have a crush on them, yet yearns to be loved.

141 notes - Posted September 11, 2022

#2

Hey Miraculous fans,

So that new Kuro Neko trailer dropped and I already see the salters having a field day. They all are mad that Ladybug finally told off Chat Noir. They're mad that she decided to replace him. They're mad at Marinette, blaming her for all the stuff that's been happening for season 4.

You know what...I'm gonna be real honest with everyone.

I'm getting bored of Adrien as a character.

It's the same sob story we've all heard before. The Fandom wants to coddle the "sunshine child" so much that it's getting old. It's as if Adrien doing something wrong gets overlooked while Marinette is the spawn of Satan. They're like, "Ooh, Adrien lost his mother and he uses Chat Noir as an outlet to get away from his abusive father." Or, "I cannot believe Adrien wasn't chosen as the Guardian or that Ladybug should have told him about Master Fu."

You do realize that Adrien has never had to work for anything in his life? He's given almost everything to him, is rich, a model, never had bullies, was basically sheltered, and seems to be emotionally detached from the world! When he does feel something for Ladybug, it's akin to a lovesick puppy who can't take no for answer.

Take a hint Goldilocks, Ladybug isn't into you like that. She sees you as a partner, someone whom she needs to fight evil with. There is literally a time and a place for flirting and on the job isn't it! I'm getting sick of people defending Chat Noir's advances as "professing his love" when it is akin to a man child stalking a woman he likes. As much as people want to point out Marinette's stalking, let's talk about how Adrien has pictures of Ladybug on his desktop too!

Which brings up why I'm getting bored of Adrien. People see the new trailer and immediately want to bash Marinette, but I want to point out Adrien. Marinette is dedicated to her superhero job and guardian position. She's not perfect, she makes mistakes, but at least she takes credit and apologizes. She never felt like giving up, only in Origins do we ever see her wanting to give up the mantle. Not only that, she is a fashion designer, works in her parent's bakery, the emotional support of her friend group, and is being threatened by girls like Lila and Chloe on a constant basis. What does Adrien have to worry about? He has his life planned out, doesn't have to worry about much. He doesn't take his superhero job as seriously as Marinette. Like stated before, this is more of a whiney angst teen trying to "break free" of his oppressed environment. If this was a job for him, he would be more intuned and serious.

So pardon me if I react to Adrien getting mad at being rejected and quitting as a sign of a child who hasn't really progressed.

Because I feel that unless Adrien realizes that he's being a gaslighter towards Ladybug, doesn't take his superhero job seriously, and continues to threaten Plagg with quitting....

Then I just don't have to be that invested in why people defend this supposed "sunshine boy".

224 notes - Posted January 11, 2022

My #1 post of 2022

The Harbinger Men Make You Tea

(Y/N): Can you make me some tea?

Tartgalia: *Brewing the water* All you had to do was ask comrade! Let me grab your favorite cup and maybe you'll let me have a sip.

(Y/N): *Blushes* Thank you Childe.

________________

(Y/N): Can you make me some tea?

Pantalone: I didn't know which one you like, so I bought you the entire tea company.

(Y/N): I just wanted some tea, but I guess that's fine.

_________________________

(Y/N): Can you make me some tea?

Scaramouche: *Slams down a cup of ice and some herbs* Here. Tea.

(Y/N): *Stares at him* Seriously?

______________________

(Y/N): Can you make me some tea?

Dottore: *Places a cup of tea on the table* Here you go dear!

(Y/N): *Stares warily at the cup* What did you put in the cup?

Dottore: *Grins* Take a sip and find out.

_______________________

(Y/N): Can I have a-

Pierro: *Places a cup of tea, some cakes, and even a napkin in front of you* Anything else?

(Y/N): *Tears up* Marry me.

________________________

(Y/N): Can I have a cup of tea?

Pulcinella: *Starts making you some tea* Oh dear, are you okay? Should I put in honey? A lozenge? I put some sugar in to cut the bitterness.

(Y/N): *Smiles* Thank you.

_______________________

(Y/N): Can I have some tea?

Capitano: I didn't know which one you wanted, so I got every tea in the store. *Places all the tea bags on the table*

(Y/N): *Shakes head, smiling* Pick one for me please.

Capitano: *Nods* I will do my best to make you a good cup.

555 notes - Posted July 12, 2022

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Fix-It Miraculously

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This is my baby, a rewrite of the series where I try to correct some of the issues I’ve seen in the show. Things like pacing of the seasons, character investment and growth, relationships, and more. This story was started in response to the problems I saw developing in season 3 that the writers weren’t addressing, and that with greater observation I found to be baked into the story from the get-go. 

Problems like the relationship between the main LoveSquare, how Marinette is dismissive and even rude to Chat Noir, instead of supportive and caring like she’s shown to be with everyone else, even people she barely knows. By season 3 she’s hitting him and telling him he’s a waste of space and basically treats him like if he’s not doing what she tells him to do then he’s just in the way. But those seeds took root in season 1 where she looks down at Chat Noir as being useless without her and basically treats him like a joke. As Ladybug, she may treat him as more of a partner and a friend still, but outside the mask she openly insults him  following their interactions. 

On the other side of the mask is Marinette’s inability to hold a conversation with Adrien, despite supposedly being one of his best friends. Yet somehow, in specific episodes, she could talk to him? And then couldn’t again the very next episode and for the rest of the series all the way into season 4? Sure, at first it was cute and funny, how completely head-over-heels she was over him, but it doesn’t give way to many interesting shipping moments and definitely doesn’t give any opportunity to deepen their relationship so that it’s believable that they end up together by the end of the series for anything more than “gee, that person there sure is purdy...” 

And in regards to getting to know characters better, let’s take Marinette out of Suedom and let other people have thoughts and feelings and lives that don’t revolve around Marinette and Ladybug? I mean, I don’t think I can even name 10 facts about Alya that aren’t related to Marinette in any way, let alone Nino, and they’re supporting cast that have been around since season 1! They’re the best friends of the main characters, or should I say main character and main character’s love interest because let’s face it, even though Chat Noir’s name is in the title of the show and he’s the one with all the interesting story beats happening around him (his mother’s disappearance, his father being the main villain, his secondary-mother-figure being the other main villain, etc.) he’s nothing more than a supporting cast member. Season 4 even went so far as to officially brand him “just another member of the team”, a team comprised of MINOR characters who don’t always even get speaking lines in an episode or even make physical appearances in them, all following our shining glory that is Ladybug-the-Mary-Sue. 

So to correct that, I give the supporting casts their own story arcs, make them actually relevant with lives of their own and their own agency in the story, and watch things grow. While Ladybug/Marinette stays the primary protagonist, not every chapter is about her, and even when it is other characters get their moments to shine and do their own things. A real friendship grows between her and Chat Noir/Adrien where it’s clear how and why these two complete each other and chose to be together. Everyone grows and changes, and relationships develop naturally. 

But to manage this, there has to be consequences that last longer than the end title card, and lessons that need to stick and actually start changing how characters behave. This also extends to Chat Noir getting the credit and fans he deserves in universe, instead of the whole city just being “Ladybug! Ladybug! Let’s not care about interviewing Chat Noir. Let’s never thank Chat Noir for saving the day. It’s just Ladybug! Ladybug! All the way, all the time, only Ladybug! Ladybug!” 

And yes, some of those changes might not be for the best at first, and there does exist such things as back-sliding and people refusing to take accountability or to change their ways to correct their mistakes. Sometimes people might not even be willing to acknowledge that they made a mistake in the first place. I’m just trying to make the characters realistic and consistent. Enough of these one-off episodes where the characters are suddenly completely OOC, only to go back to normal the next episode as if nothing were the problem. 

Some episodes Chat’s flirting is “SO annoying” and “totally the problem and why they were struggling against the akuma!” and other episodes Ladybug’s flirting right back and even initializing the flirty behaviour. Some episodes Alya “totally has Marinette’s back, girl! They’re BFFs 4Eva!” and others she’s dismissive of all of Marinette’s thoughts and concerns and feelings. Some episodes Nino actually cares about Adrien’s wants and thoughts and desires and welfare, other episodes he’s just an extension of Alya and only interested in making Adrinette a thing no matter how many times Adrien insists he only wants friendship from Marinette.

And that’s not even getting into the problems of the timeline of the show, or the lore of the universe, or all those cases where the show actively contradicts itself. Seriously, how could Alya--Ladybug’s supposed biggest fan and the one civilian who knows everything there is to know about her--forget that in Ladybug’s big debut she saved Chloe from certain death, only to then go on to believe Chloe was Ladybug herself? It feels so often like if the writers just had one more person read through the whole season’s episode synopsis and beats they’d have caught so many of these inconsistencies! I swear the staff didn’t know the Origins episodes were going to exist or what they were going to have in them when they were making season 1...

So far my story is only about half-way through season 1. Each chapter is an episode on it’s own right, and there are OC Akuma that show up as well. In further chapters, there’s intention of adding a larger rogues gallery to Paris so it’s not just Team Miraculous vs Papillon and Mayura. There’s also OC supporting casts because Paris is bigger than just the Akuma class and their immediate family members. There’s friends from other classes and grades, there’s employees of the businesses parents own, there’s celebrities on social media, there’s other schools and friend groups and out-of-school extra curriculars. Some OCs are random one-offs there just to be the akuma-of-the-day. Some are there more permanently to fill out the world and make it feel more lived in. 

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Vengeance is Never a Good Idea- For Hattafan2593

I'm not exactly happy with this but I think this is the best I can do. Anyway, I hope you guys enjoy this even if it's not my best. To Hattafan2593, I'm really sorry for this taking so long but also if it isn't what you hoped. Hopefully it isn't too bad but it gave me quite a bit of trouble. Never the less, thanks sending in a request. 

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Alya shook as she saw herself destroying Marinette's sketchpad on video. She had just been trying to avenge Lila as Marinette had stolen her designs and Lila had been so upset by it. She had been in tears and Alya knew that she couldn't let Marinette get away with stealing her designs. She thought Marinette would know better but apparently not. However, she had no idea that Lila had followed her in secret and filmed her. She had no idea that Lila would actually send the video to the group chat and claim that she had been shocked to see Alya do such a thing. She had no idea that she had outlived her usefulness to Lila. For the last few weeks, Alya had been acting more and more unhinged. She was constantly snapping at everyone and anyone because her blog was no longer popular. People had caught on that it was no longer the most useful blog about Ladybug and that it was basically tabloid trash, devoted to either fake interviews or trying to convince everyone that Ladynoir was the one true ship and that they were actually dating. Even someone as blind and dumb as Sabrina could see that Ladybug was dating the new Fox hero, not Chat Noir but Alya refused to admit she was wrong. It didn't help that a new blog had turned up. As far as Alya was concerned, this new blog was stealing her views and likes. It didn't occur to her that her viewers had gotten tired with her blog and she even blamed Marinette for it. She was convinced that Marinette was the owner of the blog. She wasn't. Alya blinked as the messages began to come through, knocking her out of her thoughts.

Radbitsk8r: What the actual hell?! @Foxwivwifi why did you destroy Marinette's work?!

Foxwivwifi: Because she deserved it! Lila was upset about Marinette stealing her designs! Right, @modelqueen?!

ModelQueen: I was upset that someone might have stolen them. I never said she actually had. I can't believe you actually destroy her work!

Alya frowned at Lila's response. She was sure Lila had claimed that Marinette had in fact stolen her designs but could it be she misheard her? No! She was certain that she had said Marinette had stolen her designs.

FoxwivWifi: No! You said you had seen her taking your designs!

ModelQueen: No, I said that I suspected that someone had taken my designs and that I happened to see Marinette near my locker! That is not the same as saying she stole from me!

Bubbleboy: Alya, that is not cool. I can understand taking a look at her sketchpad to see if she had taken Lila's design but you can't just destroy Marinette's things. That is a crime and you have no real solid proof.

FoxwivWifi: But Lila said she had! I was just trying to avenge her!

ModelQueen: No, I didn't!!

ModelQueen:... Oh my gosh!

Bubbleboy: Lila?

Mightyillustrator: Lila?

Pinky: Lila?

The Brain: Lila?

ModelQueen: All this time I thought Marinette was the bully but I think I was wrong...

FoxwivWifi: What do you mean?

ModelQueen: Marinette is normally a sweet girl. Everyone here has said it but she changed when I joined the school. I thought it's because she didn't like me but what if it's because she thinks I'm the bully because of you!

Foxwivwifi: WHAT?! What do you mean because of me?!

ModelQueen: You convinced her to stand up for herself against Chloe but you... well, you're not exactly nice, Alya! How do I know that you haven't actually been bitching about me to Marinette like you bitch about her to me?!

Foxwivwifi: What the hell, Lila?! I thought you were my friend! And I don't bitch about anyone!

ModelQueen: This is my point. As soon as anyone says anything you don't agree with, you jump at them and attack like a vicious dog. Is it any wonder that Marinette reacted the way she did to me with you as her friend? For all, I know you could have told her not to trust me and that I was just another chloe. And because she's your best friend, she would believe you. Also you did bitch about her! You literally said to me that she had zero talent and is a crazy stalker!

Foxwivwifi: You can't be serious!

Radbitsk8r: Lila isn't wrong. You've been nothing but trouble since you joined our school.

Pinky: Yes, you broke into Chloe's locker because you thought she was Ladybug

The Brain: Which I'm not. Anyone with a single brain cell would realize that considering I'm blonde and ladybug isn't.

Gentlegiant: What did I miss?

Gentlegiant: NM. Just read it all. I agree with Lila btw

Foxwivwifi: Seriously, Ivan?! What the hell?!

Gentlegiant: You snapped at Mylene six times this week alone. She was almost akumatized twice because of you!

Alya frowned as the rest of the class agreed with Lila about how she's an awful person. She wanted to crush her phone but that wasn't even the worst thing about it. The worst thing is Lila was convincing the class that she was the cause of Marinette's bad behavior and that she had convinced Marinette that Lila was evil. She couldn't believe that they believed her. She thought they knew her better but apparently, they didn't.

Foxwivwifi: I am not responsible for people been akumatized! If anything, they should know how to keep their emotions in check given that we have a manic who feeds on it!

The Brain: What the actual hell?

Gentlegiant: Well, we wouldn't have to keep them in check if you weren't a bully

Foxwivwifi: How the hell am I a bully?!

QuietArtist: you literally just proved it by what you said

Pinky: reasonswhyalyaisabully.doc

Pinky: The sketchbook incident is the most recent thing

Bakerbug: I see I have missed something...

ModelQueen: Oh Marinette! I am so sorry about your sketchpad!!

Bakerbug:...

Bakerbug: It's fine, Lila. It's not like you destroyed it...

Chat Between Lila and Marinette

Marinette: I know you set it up to have it destroyed...

Lila: Of course, I did

Marinette: And I know we're technically enemies but... this is going to sound really odd... thank you

Lila: Huh?! For what?!

Marinette: Showing me how toxic Alya and the class actually is. Don't get me wrong. We are not friends and we never will be but you showed me their true colors

Lila: hmm I see

Marinette: btw you won. I'm transferring schools and you're welcome to them

Lila: Oh well... we're not friends and I still hate you but... good luck for the future

Marinette: You too, Lila

~Akuma Class Chat~

Foxwivwifi: @Bakerbug Mari, she set me up! She's been lying this whole time!! I just googled everything and I'm so sorry!!

Fishboy: What the hell, Alya? You can't just accuse someone of lying because you got caught been a bully!!

GamerGeek: Alya, what you did was unnecessary and I calculate that Marinette has probably been acting out due to your toxic influence and attitude.

Foxwivwifi: I am not toxic!! @Bakerbug tell them!! You know Lila's been lying from the start!!

Bakerbug: Lila may have been lying but that does change that it was you who ripped up my sketchbook and honestly I agree with everyone here including Lila. You are a toxic person and I don't want to be friends with someone like that.

Alya stared at her phone in shock as Marinette literally used the very words she had said to her a week ago. She had told her she didn't want to be friends with a toxic person but she never thought that those words would come back to haunt her but apparently they did. However, it wasn't over yet.

Bakerbug: Not that I need to be. This Friday will be my last day at Dupont High. I'm moving to a different school. I would tell you guys where but I don't feel comfortable with that, especially with Alya's recent actions. Also... @Goldenboy I had the biggest crush on you for the longest time but after you gave me that frankly awful advice about the high road, it crashed and burned. There is no such thing as the high road and someone was been hurt. Me. I was been hurt. People who I thought knew me started to bully me. I can handle a lot but after today, I'm done. @ModelQueen Feel free to send that video to the headmaster

ModelQueen: Oh I think I will @Bakerbug good luck with the future

The Brain: Go be free @Bakerbug

Foxwivwifi: Marinette! Wait!!

~Bakerbug has been removed from this chat~

~Sometime Later~

Alya walked through the street with slumped shoulders. In the aftermath of the whole sketchbook incident, she had revealed to the class that Lila had been lying to them in an attempt to redeem herself in their eyes but unfortunately, Lila was a craftier fox then she was and dragged her down with her. The class actually forgave Lila before she left for Italy as while she had lied, she had never taken physical action against anyone. She simply planted the seeds but it was Alya who had watered them and let them grow. She had gone after Marinette herself. The girl who she boldly claimed to be her best friend yet it wasn't Lila who destroyed her sketchpad or tripped her up or called her a slag and spreaded nasty rumors about her. No, all Lila had done was mention a lie or two and they weren't even about Marinette. She had never directly said Marinette's name so she could have been talking about anyone but Alya had concluded it was Marinette. After all, who else could it be? Even with the stole designs lie. Lila had actually said that she thought someone had stolen her design. She never said Marinette had stolen her work or anything that could actually view the designer in the bad light. She had known that Alya would assume that it was Marinette but that didn't matter because Alya should have investigated it and found the truth. She should have done what an actual reporter did but instead she believed a liar that had no real evidence. She had been the one who had driven Marinette to give up and switch schools. She had destroyed her friendships. Lila may have started it but Alya was the one who continued it and she would never forgive herself for that. She would forever be punished for that both by herself and everyone else. She let out a sigh as she continued to walk. She felt alone. After all, this mess Nino broke up with her and she didn't really have any true friends in school. Sure, Adrien still tried to talk to her but she suspected that was because he was in a similar boat to her. Though not as bad. People were willing to forgive him. Probably because he was never really malicious with it. He really believed that she would be caught out. She guessed they could blame his father for that. As for Marinette... Well, Alya hadn't seen her neither had the majory of the class. In fact, the only person who had seen her was Juleka. No one else had nor tried. Well, they did try once but got turned away from the bakery. Tom and Sabine didn't exactly ban them but their discount was lifted permentally. Alya hadn't gone in the bakery since destroying the sketchpad. She was too afraid of what Sabine might do to her. She turned the corner and came to a stop as she saw a familiar person stood on the Pont des Arts.

"Marinette?" She stated to herself. The girl was staring dreamily at the Seine as she seemed to be waiting for someone. Alya wanted to run over to her and ask her how she was doing and how was her new school but before she could, someone else joined her. Marinette turned, causing Alya to no longer see her face.

"Luka!" Marinette called out before hugging the boy. He hugged back and smiled at her with a look of love. It made Alya feel guilty for pushing Adrienette. Adrien never looked at Marinette like that. The two chatted before taking a seat on the benches as Luka reached down to his bag.

"I got a gift for you," He stated, making Marinette look at him. "I'm sure you probably have one but..."

He handed her a gift bag, causing her to open it and take out an expensive looking sketchpad before she pulled out some pencils.

"I saw them and thought of you..." He admitted before she suddenly hugged him.

"Thank you so much!" She gasped, clearly happy. "But you didn't have to replace my old one. Alya destroyed it but I got a new one..."

"I know," Luka replied, gently placing his hand on hers as she looked at him. "But I wanted to. Think of it as a reminder. There are those who want to destroy you and there are those who want to watch you rise. I want to watch you rise and shine like the star you are,"

Marinette didn't stay anything. Instead, she pulled Luka closer to her and kissed him. He wrapped his arms around her as he kissed back, making Alya to decide to turn away. Marinette was happy again and the truth was out now... even if her best friendship got destroyed in the process...

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Do you have more ideas for your Alya and Lila arrival swap au?

(Yes I do)

(What if Lila and Alya swapped arrival times) Part 2

(Previous here)

-So what people would not realize is how much support Marinette needed at the early days. And when Lila is replacing Alya. Drama is sure to ensue.

-Stormy weather happens but with some changes.

-Lila is still good at lying to kids, so convincing Manon to go to the park was easy.

-The difference is that it’s Lila pushing to be in the photo shoot. Marinette hasn’t told Lila of her crush on Adrien, since Lila is pursuing him.

-Lila being more forward talking to Adrien. Adrien is polite but tells Lila he can’t just have anyone join the photo shoot.

-Marinette distracts herself by hanging with Manon.

-Of course Lila gets an idea to use Manon as a means in and offers to take Manon on the merry go round

-Stormy weather strikes and freezes then in.

-Ladybug and chat noir spring into action and Stormy weather is beaten like in canon.

-Afterward Lila’s plan works… sort of. Manon ended up being liked by the photographer and she ended up modeling with Adrien.

-Adrien asked Marinette if she would want to be in the photos, but this shyer Marinette declined.

-Adrien asks then how about a photo with a friend. Which lets Marinette get a picture with Adrien on her phone.

-Bubbler happens, But Tikki takes the roll of motivator. Lila is doing her own thing for a gift for Adrien.

-Lila and Chloe end up arguing over Adrien at the party. Causing Bubbler to get annoyed and bubble them both. Adrien realizes this is not a good thing and go help

-The scarf plot happens pretty much the same

-Lady Wifi doesn’t happen in this season since no Alya.

-Copycat doesn’t happen because no Alya to encourage Marinette to call Adrien. And ladybug is there to give Theo the autograph and keep Chat noir from being jelly.

-Mr.Pigeon does happen. Lila finding out Marinette is a designer and offers to help. Adrien’s encouragement convinced her to do it. Lila notes that Marinette might have a crush on Adrien. But holds back mentioning it.

- Pharaoh does happen but without the plotline with the history book doesn’t happen. Lila gets kidnapped then ditched. Ladybug saved her. So Lila gets done gloating in about meeting ladybug

-pixalator is the same except Lila is much more pissed since Chloe made her jobs the worst.

-Evillustrator happens, Lila of course pretends to be sympathetic to Marinette. Aside from that she also tries to pair up Marinette and Nathanael since she figured out he had a crush on her. Though this doesn’t work. The marichat is the same.

-Rogercop is virtually the same, but Lila is the one blamed.

-Timebreaker is the same, Puppeteer is basically the same, but no lady wifi. It was bubbler instead.

-Reflekta is the same but Lila tried taking more credit for the photo idea. But everyone knew it was Marinette.

-Kungfood happens, but Lila does use this as a chance to invite Adrien. They both go Lila saying that two translators will be better than one. Adrien being the actual translator helps more. Lila and Chloe butt heads allowing for Marinette to get closer to adrien

- The mine, Guitar villain and Antibug are basically the same. Same with Lady fragrance (except Lila also tries to be buddy buddy with the prince)

-Animan happens but not exactly. So Adrien does try to set up Nino and Marinette. Lila overhears about the idea and decides to help set this up too. This ends up failing as similar to canon, Nino ends up saying he had a crush on her friend. Which Lila doesn’t even accept. So it’s a harsh no. Lila even spills that Marinette has a crush on Adrien and she was hoping that she would use Nino to move on. And Nino sees Lila’s more callous side, knowing the girl is into Adrien decides that his bro deserves better girls. And also Nino does come to appreciate how actually kind Marinette is. Adrien offers to help after but Nino declines, saying that yes he thinks Marinette is a sweet girl but is more Adrien’s type. Which Adrien was a bit surprised by.

-Darkblade happens, but with Lila saying she will run instead of Marinette. Lila having Marinette be her assistant. With Lila being the competition, Sabrina went to investigate Lila. Interestingly enough it was Marinette’s leadership that swayed the votes and Marinette ended up elected. Lila was fuming, but hid it, saying she will help her out.

-Horrificator, Lila was the actress in the film instead of Mylene. Mylene still ended up scared of the mask and ruined a shot. Thus having her run off. And things go on relatively fine until the supposed kiss scene. Chloe gets into a big arguement over it with Lila, in which the Class got annoyed with both of them and told them to discuss it outside. Nino suggested Marinette takeover the roll as Lila and Chloe will be arguing all day. The class agrees.

-The kiss does happen by the way, chloe and Lila are the victims of Horrificator.

-The rest of the episode happens, with Lila losing her voice so Mylene takes over the role now brave.

-and that takes us all the way to Volpina. Which I think deserves it’s own part

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