#Croatian history

[247reader]

Day 23: Ilona Zrínyi!

Ilona Zrínyi was born into a powerful family in what is now Croatia. Her mother was a noted poet, and Ilona was very well-educated - both in literature and in politics. Her father was the Ban, or viceroy, of Croatia, ruling it as governor for the Holy Roman Emperor, but he dreamed of independence for what were known as the Lands of the Crown of St Stephen, centered in modern Hungary - and after success in the war against the Ottomans, success he felt he received little credit for, he intended to seize it. The ensuing rebellion, and her father’s subsequent execution by the Emperor, stamped a deep mark on Ilona’s life.

Her first husband, Francis Rácóczi, had been a political ally of her father’s, but soon he too was dead, leaving Ilona a widow with two children. She retained custody of her son (no guarantee for a noble widow at the time), and therefore of her late husband’s lands, making her a powerful political force. She threw these resources behind the cause of independence, alongside her next husband, Emeric Thököly, a rebel count who had allied with the Ottoman Empire to attack the Habsburgs directly.

The war went poorly. After the Battle of Vienna, the Ottoman retreat left Emeric and Ilona at the mercy of the Habsburgs. Soon, they had only one castle left - Munkacs, in modern-day Ukraine. For three years, Ilona resisted the siege alone. She finally surrendered in 1688. Her children were taken from her, and only a prisoner exchange let her join her husband in his Ottoman exile. Her legacy, however, lived on. Her son, Ferenc, would continue his mother and grandfather’s fight; though he too was eventually defeated, both of them are remembered as Hungarian national heroes.

#ilona zrínyi #zrínyi ilona #hungarian history #croatian history #history #awesome ladies of history #october 2023 #my art #pen and ink

[lightdancer1]

Where Croatia is concerned it's too simple to say it's Catholicism vs Orthodoxy:

Croatia, in turn, has been defined by a simplistic 'Western Christianity + Roman alphabet' versus the Byzantine-Cyrillic-Orthodox Serbians. This, however, actually vastly oversimplifies things. Serbian statebuilding was later than the Croatian, reached a greater scale, and had a far greater cultural hold than the Croatian state, whose legacies came and went and ebbed and flowed. Serbians remembered that they had kings and emperors, and the moment they began to grasp the chance to wield them did so.

Serbians also benefited from the millet system extending to the Orthodox a kinder treatment than Catholics, who due to the Habsburg monarchy had a somewhat less gentle approach from the Ottomans. Croatians, OTOH, got the full backhand and very little of the kinder aspects of Ottoman rule not least from being efficient fighters against it.

This, to a great degree, has shaped both the cultural foundations every bit as much as the religious aspect. People who had the legacy of a powerful state that endured more deeply than those who spent time as the provincial subjects of a great empire have different attitudes on some things, though the 19th and 20th Century shows this does not extend to either of their attitudes to Muslims or to civilian casualties in warfare or to the cultural merits of final solutions to nationality problems.

Pavelic and Milosevic were each other's mirrors in the worst ways. Tudjman was a hypocritical ass and a coward at best and he was seldom at his best.

8/10.

#lightdancer comments on history #book reviews #yugoslav wars #croatian history

[barbucomedie]

Armlet from Croatia dated between 1000-800 BCE on display at the Natural History Museum in Vienna, Austria

Photographs taken by myself 2022

#art #archaeology #history #fashion #croatia #croatian #ancient #bronze age #jewelry #jewellery #natural history museum #vienna #barbucomedie

[artthatgivesmefeelings]

Mato Celestin Medović (Croatian, 1857 - 1920) Syrmian Martyrs, c. 1895-96 Museum of Fine Arts, Budapest

#Mato Celestin Medović #Celestin Madovic #art #fine arts #classical art #western civilization #european art #europe #europa #croatian #croatia #syrmian martyrs #serbia #fine art #beautiful art #ancient history #european #martyr #Martyrs #christianity #christentum #christendom #catholic

[saintedseb]

Saint Sebastian from the San Niccolò Altarpiece (c. 1456-1461) -Giorgio Schiavone (Juraj Ćulinović) (Croatian, 1433/6-1504)

#saint sebastian #art history #15th century #giorgio schiavone #croatian art #painting #unhurt sebastian #snooty sebastian??

[slepzone]

uhh i didn't post in a long time didn't i

so here's some archaic cyrillic letters i found in wikimedia commons

this one is Iotified Monograph Uk, that served the same purpose as Юю does nowadays. it was used in romanian cyrillic in 1838-1846 and 1858 (if we're talking about the ligature specifically) or in 1838-1860 if also we count using two letters as one (ІꙊ іꙋ/Іꙋ іꙋ).

btw i think it would have great potential in conlanging. Using Юю as iotified О and this letter as iotified У seems quite logical to me

(i made this pic myself and i am very proud of it)

This is cyrillic letter Char (not sure if it's the official name tho) that was used in most of Uslar's alphabets for different sounds (e.g. /ʧ’/ in Tabasaran, /ʧ’:/ in Avar and probably /ʧ:/ in Lak). It's derived from the Georgian letter Ch'ari - ჭ, used to represent /ʧ’/.

Quite an unpopular letter, i'd say. It was kinda hard searching information about it, since i couldn't find even some kinda page about it

And that one is Djerv. The only Slavic letter outta these three, the only one that i found in unicode table and not wikimedia commons and also the only one that's actually in unicode.

It was used on early Serbo-Croatian monuments to represent /dʑ/ and /tɕ/, and was also used in Bosančica (bosnian cyrillic) in digraphs ꙉн and ꙉл (which looked more like ꙉɴ and ꙉʌ) to represent /ɲ/ and /ʎ/ respectively.

#letters #cyrillic #romanian #caucasian #uslar #bosnian #serbo-croatian #linguistics #langblr #history

[sincerelyyoursg]

i killed national exams!!

#54.55% in geography #29.03% in history #(we'll ignore that) #71.43% in chemistry #77.14% in math #pretty good!! #88.57% in croatian #and 97.5% in english #school life ✧.*

[whoevengaf]

Cant even yap about uni because id need to post an half an hour voice note on here

#nothing bad btw i just want to yap 😭 #esp about pre and proto history #actually let me tell you ONE story i went to my british pronunciation class today and when the teacher read out the names with mine (my name #is jana btw) jjj.... yyy....yyy and i had to correct her not even an embryo of an attempt to jana [ CROATIAN LASTNAME] #and she said oh! i thought that was a smudge 😊 A SMUDGE IN THE SHAPE OF A PERFECT V ON A PRINTED OUT PAPER? #as in š or č or ž i mean #and THEN she wanted us to introduce ourself and say if we were abroad (in an english speaking country for au pair etc) #and i said i am from CROATIA so i spend a lot of time THERE and she literally went i dont care about that i didnt ask :| #TWO THINGS LADY YOU LITTTTTERALLY DID AN MICROAGRESSION IK YOU DIDNT MEAN IT THAT WAY #SECOND THING I MIGHT HAVE A CROATIAN ACCENT WHILE SPEAKING ENGLISH THEN INSTEAD OF A GERMAN OJE #im soooo mad because she lowkey is fun etc but after she mansplained that she wanted to hear about english countries #i said yes i know :) and we STARED at eachother #GOD HOW EMBARRASSING! BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I DID IT??? LIKE I CANT NOT SAY THAT!!!!! AND NOW IVE BEEN #SITTING LIKE A SIM THATS CONSTANTLY EMBARRASSED ALL DAY ON THAT STUPID INTERACTON #INFRONT OF THE ENTIRE CLASS #sham!s rambles

[reality-nihilism]

A Croatian soldier during the 1995 fight for Croatian independence. The writing behind him says "God, if die young, send me to heaven, I have already been to hell."

#croatia #croatian #war #history #yugoslavia #balkan

[mishkakagehishka]

tbf while the overuse of english phrases can be annoying in croatian this isn't necessarily something new - one only need look into the medieval and new age plays to see lingua franca (italian, latin, german, turkish ) seeping into the commoner language is just a thing that happens when you have a foreign language that's as widely used as the native one. we can be morose abt it but ultimately it's a natural aspect of language evolution. we wouldn't have a lot of dialectal vocabulary if it weren't for this kind of mixing.

That is fair, but i feel like there's a difference in not having a choice but to adopt and adapt, and very much having a choice and just kinda rolling over (hence the cuck comparison).

Like, we didn't have a word for a džezva so we borrowed it from Turkish - we don't have a word for "cringe" so go ahead and say "krindž".

I feel the problem comes when you speak Croatian, but 75% of your production is just fully English sentences, which happens. I've unfortunately been subjected to it way too much by now. It's not a case of "A postaj to na story, a ja ću screenshottat i forwardat Marti" <- you can say post, story, screenshot, forward in Croatian, but it's not the end of the world if you say them in English. The problem is when you say, "Super ti je ispala fotka, you should post it" <- conversations where entire clauses are spoken in English between two people whose first language is shared, and not English.

#not a historian so i can only say as much as i learn in linguistic courses #you use italian in maritime business because italian countries were the maritime baddies #so if you were in the business - you spoke italian #a lot of garments' names are borrowed from languages that they originated in #a lot of things that were brought by conquest were given names by the imperialists and taken by the conquered #a lot of the times people mixed and lived in the same areas and languages mixed #(like how it's just that Dalmatians use Venetian - Venetians also use some Croatian whether they know it or not) #no language is clean - God forbid you attempt to say ''pure'' for the ick you'll give me #but the problem is you're not saying memorija for phone storage you're saying memorija for your memories because you forget false friends #with how anglicised your very thought process has become. publika and public patetično and pathetic #and then we open the entire sentences in english #holds your shoulders. never speak to english majors. 80% of them are like that #but yknow. despite history croatian as a language lived on with borrowed words and with loanwords and with adopted wordd #but the youth. is not attempting to borrow cringe or adopt second-hand embarrassment because we don't have it #they are fully speaking in english #like us two rn - with the caveat that english is here used because we're essentially having an open discussion in an english-speaking space #asks

[gossiping-about-dead-ppl]

me looking at all the art and fanfics where nikola tesla flirts or smth

#if it was a pigeon in question MAYBE #however yes you may want to wife him but but would be want to wife up YOU? no. no he would not. #inspired by me searching nikola tesla on ao3 and being horrified #i mean the tesla x edison smut was objectivly good #BUT NO #HE WOULD NOT FUCKING SAY THAT #and the google translate croatian swearing got me into a fit of giggles ngl #AND THE CROATIAN DIRTY TALK NOOOOOOOO ANDBMAJSHWKS #'brže!!' da brate brže vlakom s kojim da me pregaziš #lancelot ranbles #nikola tesla #history

[aristotels]

i actually do think you can consume art by problematic authors

hell, riblja čorba remains one of my fav bands ever and bora čorba was an actual četnik calling for genocide of croats (my people), to the point where he actively said in a song he wants to murder us. and check this: my father, who lived through the war, still loves his music and regularly plays it on the guitar. my dear friend, who grew up during war, hiding in the basement, listened to his records even then, while hiding from bombs. bombs dropped by četniks. by people like bora.

the difference between him and jk rowling is that he has literally zero power. hes an old nutcase living home and saying shit. he cant do a single thing to hurt us. he cant rally people against us and use his influence to spew hate. and he stopped saying that crap anyway, bc its not relevant anymore and hes a sad, crazy man, livin a miserable life.

another thing is: his music wasnt stained w anti-croatian rhetoric. in fact, him being a četnik is still smth i cant wrap my head around bc his music was so provocative and made sense. he sang abt dangers of ideology, yet succumbed to one himself. it was. so wild.

to the point: he doesnt profit off me listening to him, and he doesnt have any power. so yeah, in his case, im able to separate art from artist bc it isnt doing active harm.

#my mother had a different stance than my dad tho #she refused to listen to him or talk abt him #we were not allowed to put on cds etc on #my father had opinion that he would never ever let čorba have a concert in croatia #and that his songs should never be played on the public radios #he said he would totally go to his concert as long as its in serbia tho #and then there was one of the greatest singers in all balkan history who had shit opinions on war in kosovo #tho he supported croatian independence and sang abt horrors of bosnian genocides #when he said one of his songs was abt kosovo it totally ruined the song for me lmfao

[virmire]

hearing my dad talking on the phone with my sister about how he will support any of his children if they came out as gay and I’m like…. did he literally forget… that I came out to him as bi eight years ago……

#like great you’re supportive #but I literally already came out years ago #I’m just kinda baffled #also I’m only living with him temporarily while I wait for my dorm room to be ready #if I have to hear one more convo about Croatian history istg #.thoughts

[barbucomedie]

Spangenhelm Helmet from Dalmatia, Croatia dated to around 500 CE on display at the Weltmuseum in Vienna, Austria

Photographs taken by myself 2022

#armour #art #fashion #military history #croatia #croatian #late antiquity #migration period #6th century #archaeology #eastern roman empire #byzantine empire #weltmuseum #vienna #barbucomedie

[sansebastinae]

TIL there's a song that apparently had no / unknown artist and there's been a huge search to figure out who made it???

there's a whole ass subreddit dedicated to finding it but man. if you told me pulp or one of those shoegaze bands made it i wouldn't bat an eyelid

#i feel like jokingly sending sbeb the song #going “hey you ever heard the song” because it's so old (older than him) and it was played on a german radio station #idle thoughts #Youtube #i bet he would be like 'hey yeah i have! :D' and then suddenly spout the entire history of the band somehow #but it couldnt be from the UK either. it has that slightly droomy vibe of eastern europe (thanks to my croatian friend sending songs to me) #anyway this song makes me want to play beach house...........

[paperandsong]

Vedran Štimac, Louise Michel: Homage to the Paris Commune (Croatia)

The Tricontinental Paris Commune 150 Cover Exhibition, May 2021

#paris commune #louise michel #walter crane #vedran Štimac #frev #french history #the tricontinental #croatian art #paris commune 1871