#I don't like catching them though

[echolitmag]

Fish

Courtesy of our amazing artist and professional memist, Soniyah Williams!

#echolitmag #literary magazine #teen writer #the echo literary magazine #lit mag #writing #writers on tumblr #fish #phantasmagoria #the echo tumblr intern #I like fish :} #I don't like catching them though #It makes me feel sad

[originalartblog]

Apparently much-needed reminder that reposting artists' art (by saving the images or screenshotting them and reuploading them yourself) on other platforms without the artists' expressed permission and without credit is theft and an insult to their passion and craft. You are profiting (in views, in attention, in feedback) from someone else's work and ideas, who do not get that feedback for sharing their creation.

If you are an art reposter, you are a thief and I have no respect for you.

#learn basic internet etiquette i am begging but also holding a knife. yes i'm mad. more about others than myself. #do you know how many artists i have seen leave social media because their art started being reposted all over? #tip: way too fucking many #i've had many people tell me about people reposting my art on tiktok #no one ever asked to repost my art on tiktok. ever. they just save super fried bad crunchy jpegs of my art and repost them #they get 20k likes and don't even bother naming me #also a reason i started signing my name more legibly and why my blog web address is always there but apparently no one can even read that #a few people got an ok for translations on other platforms though #i'm going to be annoying with this post and reblog it a few times to try to catch the people who apparently need to be told #tiny skk adventures #nawy's comics #nawy's doodles #apparently those are reposters' favourites so here look at this

[edwardwonghaupepelutivrusky4th]

wah i looove their designs and animation...

#sketched last night looped ''hot air balloon'' track last night rewatched elemental last night you know just how it is....i love it all augh #elemental #elemental 2023 #pixar elemental #elemental fanart #ember lumen #wade ripple #it's so fun how just going w/the flow waviness drawing a wade is Correct. some flamey shiveriness / jaggedness in ember's lines is Correct #and it's all the more fun how it's like oh ofc not quite hitting the mark of how great their designs really are....so so good #and of course the expressive elasticity not only with their faces but the way their bodies ft. respective elements can be expressive #in addition to just usual [assume you have a usual literal human body] expressiveness options in posture / movement etc lol #also was thinking about how like we know everything we Need to know re: wade & his dad but also have so [zero details there] #which is interesting to wonder about. kinda assumed like oh a parent got sick & died but now considering how it could've been an accident.. #the tiny layer of A Reaction he has when ember's talking abt parents giving up everything for you: could be nothing much; or Anything #also noting i Didn't note the first instances that they hear each other's names or introduce themselves thusly lol #or at least i sure can't recall it. just start knowing the other's name partway through which Isn't A Problem but it's like #ooh just more to consider & reexamine. i love to pick up More Details & that's helped by my difficulty in catching them in the first place #one thing about me i don't Catch things i don't Notice shit i don't Get stuff. and also of course: i do though lol #always a trip when it's like oh i love this movie i'm seeing it probably the two dozenth time #and then i notice something for the very first time that was clearly straightup meant to be Gotten upon the immediate viewing #even to the extent that smthing later seems to be kinda happening out of nowhere if you didn't. & i'd just rolled with it #like ok i'm autistic ofc that's something i gotta do all the time. & the adhd means i might keep getting distracted around the same pts.

[silverwhittlingknife]

i have a special place in my heart for "show don't tell" storytelling, especially in comic books. comics are a visual medium!

#tim drake #jack drake #comic ref in description #this is the last panel of the comic #and something i really like about it is that i feel like... it has a certain amount of respect for the reader? #you might not notice/get the irony of the batsignal showing up behind them #and the way the batsignal foreshadows that actually this /isn't/ a resolved happy ending #because the conflict between bruce and jack - and more directly between tim's values/priorities vs. his dad's - #hasn't actually been resolved even though they're both sorry and hugging #which means the conflict will inevitably occur again and again and again #which is a very clever grace note here #but if you don't notice that's okay! the comic isn't panicking trying to spell it out for you #if you catch it it's fine and if you don't catch it that's also fine #it has something that i really like about a lot of older comics and sometimes find missing in new ones (at least the ones abt the blorbos) #which is that it assumes that the /readers/ can realize things abt the situation that the /characters/ don't #i read both tim and his dad as both perfectly sincere in this reconciliation - they're caught up in the moment #and physically neither of them can see the batsignal #but we-the-readers can see both the batsignal and the looming future conflicts it implies even though they don't #the narrative isn't telling you what to think! no character emerged to announce 'But In Fact Tim You Still Have A Problem!' #instead the artist has just left the batsignal there and let you make the obvious inferences ON YOUR OWN #similarly in nightwing 110 (another one of my favorites) there's a conversation between dick and tim where they're both lying #if you're only a nightwing reader you know dick is lying but you probably won't figure out that tim is lying (or at least not the extent) #but if you /do/ read tim's comics then you understand what's going on in a way that neither of the characters do #there's just a general understanding that the characters are not fully self-aware nor do they perfectly understand each other #plus the gradual / slow-build / layered conflict #tim's mixed loyalties between bruce and his dad are a constant background slow burn tension #dick's complicated feelings about loving tim but also feeling a little threatened by him are also a low-key thread in the nightwing comics #the writers don't need to have a surprise! sudden! fight! nor do they need all-fluff-all-the-time #instead these tensions are mostly dormant except when they get exacerbated by extreme situations #there are plenty of things that 90s comics do *not* handle well but the character voices and longform style always draw me back <3

[dangerous-advantage]

(Image description below 'read more' line.)

[Image ID: A four-by-four alignment chart on a white background with text descriptions to the left and to the top of the squares.

The top left description reads, "seems like they'd be good at parenting." The top right description reads, "seems like they'd be bad at parenting."

Then, from the top down, to the left of the squares, the other set of descriptions reads: "excellent child rearing instincts," and "never trust them with a child in your life."

Each of the four squares contains an image of a different character. At the top left is an image of Lan Wangji of the Mo Dao Zu Shi donghua. He sits between the descriptors "seems like they'd be good at parenting," and "excellent child rearing instincts."

In the top right square sits an image of Wei Wuxian, also of the Mo Dao Zu Shi donghua. He sits between the junction of "seems like they'd be bad at parenting" and "excellent child rearing instincts."

In the bottom left square is an image of Xie Lian from the Tian Guan Ci Fu manhua. He occupies the square with the captions, "seems like they'd be good at parenting" and "never trust them with a child in your life."

Finally, in the bottom left square, sits an image of Hua Cheng from the Tian Guan Ci Fu manhua. He occupies the junction between "seems like they'd be bad at parenting" and "never trust them with a child in your life". /End ID]

#look ok #i see all the cute little fics with xl and hc talking about becoming parents and etc etc #and that's cute! that's adorable!! let them be happy!!! #but. you have to admit ok. hualian need to work through their own problems #like c'mon. xl picks up like AT LEAST three kids in the book and then proceeds to forget about one on his shelf for a while #just kinda. stands judgmentally with his hands on his hips about guzi and qi rong (it's really funny though don't get me wrong) #and after finally re-capturing lang ying he's like 'i'm gonna guardian you!' and then a whole bunch of shit happens and uh well #ly turns out to be the ghost of some kid xl traumatized 800 years ago come back for vengeance (L) #which means xl traumatized him multiple times lmao #we aren't even touching qi rong and lang qianqiu which YES i know the latter wasn't xl's fault and i am fully aware that the situation with #qi rong is and was complicated. BUT. come ON man can these poor kids never catch a break? the one kid he DIDN'T accidentally traumatize #turned out to be obsessively in love with him so like maybe this is for the best? #anyway i also just don't think they'd be... genuinely interested in a commitment like that? like hc would go along with anything xl wants #but he doesn't seem the type to be interested in kids (he's mostly just interested in xl) #xl isn't off the hook either ok #people bring up hc's treatment of e'ming but xl isn't exactly a saint to ruoye. i dont blame the guy he's got a lot on his mind #but he's also very.... absent #plus with the responsibilities of their respective positions all their extra time is like. spent on eachother jk? #this isn't to say xl doesn't *like* kids or anything i just don't think he would want to be a full-time parent lmao #also they DEFINITELY have their own issues with themselves as kids and i'm afraid that might translate into like. parenting #meme #tgcf #mxtx meme #tgcf meme #xie lian #hua cheng #lan wangji #wei wuxian #wei ying #lan zhan

[deva-arts]

Okay this might be a really weird ask so I'm sorry in advance but- what does Sera smell like? Does she smell like feathers because she has wings, like Vincent? (Again hope this isn't weird..)

Not weird at all! Lol a few people have asked before, you're all good.

Birdpeople have notoriously weak noses. Their sense of smell (and taste by proxy) is pretty dull as a result. It's partly how Ser's food is always plain and Vincent smells like a SAW-scented teen who's been tarred and feathered. Sera doesn't particularly care about expensive perfumes like someone (cough Sonia) but she does like floral scents.

She smells like Lavender (Body wash/Shampoo) and baby talc powder. (Powder keeps her wings nice, dry, and itch-free.) When she's not working she uses a rose perfume Nate gave her.

#birdpeople tag #I neglect the birdpeople tag a lot... gotta catch them up one day #She doesn't have the 'feather' smell. She's always on top of herself. Vincent's waterproofing makes him smell a bit like wet chicken though #Monica loved lavender. She put it up all around the house to help her sleep. It's the little things that remind Sera of her. #“It is NOT baby powder I don't want to hear it” “Yeah okay sure Sera are you cranky? want a nappy poo?” “...You are on thin ice Sonia” #Okay so thinking about what everyone smells like is oddly fun lol #Nate smells fresh all the time. He's all washed clothes and colognes like Polo Blue. #Amon smells like basic bodywash #He doesn't care too much about getting something fancy and will brag about his 5 buck cologne being a steal #Ricky smells nice. He goes out of his way to get nicely groomed to “get all the baddies 🤪” Okay Ricky. #He doesn't smell like anything when in goo form though. #Sonia smells like expensive perfume and body oils. It's awesome but can be a bit much at times. Vincent could not care less about it #Sonia would rather die than be rustic. #Vincent smells like Vincent. He is ironically extremely hygenic but the odds are never in his favor #Titan smells like caked blood #Dr. Strohl smells fresh and nice but also has a hint of retro tv static smell. I do not know how to explain further. #Uhh something something variants smell different depending on their habits not necessarily their bodily composition #ARK_SYSTEMA #Seraphinatag

[sovonight]

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#still thinking abt that scene in the underdark where xan is (force) propositioned by that drow lady #and while his first response is shock/apprehension ('*me*??') #radri loses regulation over the volume of her voice going 'what?! no!!' louder than anyone's ever really heard her before #when challenged though she can't come up with a drow-valid reason why hunrae *can't* just take xan #(yes i just now remembered her name lmao) #the thoughts 'bc consent??' 'he'd hate that' '*he's mine he promised*' keep getting translated into an ineffective verbal 'you just cant' #so xan saves himself and falls into a worse mood after it and radri falls into an equally poor mood at how she couldnt do anything/she can #never really do anything can she #oh but there's a kind of equivalent/reversal moment when radri's offered a 'night with one of with phaere's males' as a reward #and xan is just silently panicking/trying to reassure himself with 'she wouldn't' 'she'd hate that' 'she loves me... right?' #radri honestly has an easier time with the excuse this time bc she's not feeling as much panic/pressure as earlier #but the excuse that comes out is along the lines of 'uh monogamy is custom in my city and i already have a male--' #'NO no not one of these guys in my party!! (don't look too closely at them!)' #'i prefer not to travel with him! to make the reunions sweeter...??' #xan's mind catches on 'i prefer not to travel with him' and he gets in a bitter mood bc that might as well be true-- #bc really what use is he when he can't even do anything to help/save/protect her despite being right by her side #the underdark has them both on an internal monologue of 'i hate this' but while xan's is mainly towards their surroundings #radri's is almost entirely inward & so isnt eased the moment they reach the surface like xan's is

[fortyfive-forty]

brb gonna make this my pinned post

#tennis #i feel like it's the easiest way to know if my blog will be of any interest lol #i used 'always rooting for u' as a sort of catch-all 💀 #some of them i actively follow but don't really elevate myself to 'fan' level even though i do love them #some of them i am just always passively rooting for but don't necessarily go out of my way to watch #the beloved irrelevant flops could be expanded to include probably another half dozen players as well #btw leaving someone off of this doesn't mean i don't like them lol #by default i have a positive opinion of most players #but obviously that means i can't include all of them in the chart 😭 #so i had to be picky and tried to only include players i actually follow/have separate reasons for rooting for #hence why there are way fewer atp players on here because in truth i don't really watch the atp for the players that often #with the exception of the players above #i just watch for the tennis (which i do enjoy very much!) #but not generally as invested in the players themselves #anyway! blah blah blah i am rambling again

[snowe-zolynn-rogers]

Officially up to December 24th on the incorrect quotes I've written out to be posted. Progress! Only about 3 more months worth left to write out to post! I got past the hard part for my brain to write out (which was apparently August through November) I guess.

#snoweytrashposts #snoweytalks #snoweyrambles #snoweyrants #catching up #lost of tags for a short post #no i won't flood them #at most i'll post the 12 post chunks twice a day #i refuse to absolutely flood out fyps #and i don't like the idea of not being able to post anything but the backlog of incorrect quotes all day long #hopefully we'll be back to just the usual 6 incorrect quotes per day sometime soon #i'm hoping by the end of april everything will be back and balanced as all things should be #though i won't guarentee it since i'll be moving into a new house as of the 1st and unpacking will take about a week i think #especially if i end up helping my two dumbass brothers unpack like i have been with packing #boutta dump their shit in the nearest river if they don't start doing their own packing soon i swear #but there's hope for end of april! #the end of the horrible backlog is within sight! #i've done about 4 months worth already and there's only 3 more months of it left!

[keeps-ache]

hm. i do not remember the screenshot being this big hfvsh

#wip #i like this one the best and also.. it might be the best one Lmaofhvs #[points] its the He #this is also very nearly the final product hvfhs #i'm just gonna colour them a bit and then leave it at that :) #(i'm doing an expression sheet again :3 :D) #i'm drawing each of these individually unlike how i did with the bl.s ones cuz his funkin Hair likes to catch me out hbvfsh #//anyway i've been working on this thing for nearly a week ??? #'keeps why' i have been. writing #i do So enjoy infodumping about this project hvfhs #plusss putting it in a little booky means people don't have to be bothered with me looping back and over myself lol :> #i just dunno where i wanna put it lol #wattpad makes the most sense.. but also mm i dunno hfhsh #i haven't really used it in forever... #oh i should update it though fr fr #/also Geeeeez what is happening to my writing HFH #like one day i can't stop overusing the world 'occasionally' and then next i sound sort of obnoxious overusing synonyms and stuff lol #though you know what it Has gotten easier to just get stuff down (even when my brain is pretty much dead !!) when i just ignore everything #i forget about hfvhs :D #cuz i forget like every 15th word and it screws w/ the flow but if i do [this] with a similar word for later it's so good :DD #/also why can i Never remember the word Conscience lmao #that's a little bit of a funny one to always be losing hvfsh #//anywho... woo.... :33 #i'm gonna go do my stuff now... and prolly sneak a soda.... and if i do i'll prolly be back ranting because that's what caffeine does to me #Loll #have a very empty brain recently. it Has been full of lovey doveyness tho so not bad not bad hfvhs :D #okay bbbye now toooodles ciaaaoo see ya .u./

[shoechoe]

The eyes and lips are definitely consistently my favorite part of Jojo's art styles. Very pretty. I always really like the detailed shots where you can see them in full quality.

There has always been a particular allure to me with the way faces are drawn in Jojo- especially the manga. It gives it a very serene and delicate feeling which is interesting for a fighting series. I'd even say this about parts 1-3 to an extent despite everyone being hulkish and otherwise hyper-masculine.

#short posts #rambles #scopophobia tw #shoe reads vento aureo #part 6 is my favorite part in terms of art style #parts 1-3 are my least favorites (personally i don't understand how people in the fanbase miss when jojo looked like that...) #but i still like the eyes and lips in them #i really liked all of the detailed shots in part 7 as well even though it ran into a really bad sameface problem toward the end #it sucks because i feel like part 7 was really expressive early on and then they kinda just have blank stare model faces by the end #part 8 has the same problem as late part 7 but i didn't outright dislike it #from what i remember part 9 is a bit better about that so far but i need to catch up on it

[non-un-topo]

Wish there was an elixir that wasn't alcohol that you could take that just makes you write/draw and not care about the quality of your work or about what your potential audience might think

#posting cringe today lol #don't fall for my seeking reassurance pls the OCD has gotten kind of bad #the other elixir is just bugging my partner and desperately seeking reassurance from them sdghfds yikes #been going through another feeling-like-crap week i think it's just the mental illness at this point. like if it's all the time? hm. #but tumblr's new look might also be making me despair a little because it's just getting shittier and shittier lol #and this is the only platform i can post my work (besides ao3 but i mean.) #instagram is a shitty place for art. as is twitter now. if not tumblr then it's gotta be nowhere #like at this point i can't even just write or draw something for my own eyes. don't know why. #sig mayhaps the fact that your interests are becoming more specific/niche is causing you to fall into familiar patterns and self-isolate hm #like it's easier to self-isolate if you come up with reasons to be alone. just a thought. #i should dig into that lol. #overshare hours #haven't even been able to just sit down and catch up on reading fics because of This Feeling. like i just do nothing all the time. #i'm also sick and can't seem to kick this cold though. coughing is driving me crazy #alcohol mention #alcohol tw #tw alcohol #idk how to tag. if this site could just decide on one way to tag content warnings...

[tj-crochets]

Hey y'all, weird question time! Do you have any advice for stretches/exercises to improve finger dexterity/range of motion? This question brought to you by a childhood history of being really spectacularly bad at catching footballs, several instruments I'd probably be better at playing with a better range of motion, and also the fact that I can't raise just my middle finger by itself without my other fingers also going up at least a little bit

#the person behind the yarn #tj asks weird questions #sometimes you spend like three solid school years of PE failing to catch a football #and you jam your fingers a lot (because of the aforementioned inability to catch a football correctly) #and then as an adult you don't really have full range of motion #if I try to raise just my middle finger the closest I can get is all three other fingers on my right hand bent and middle finger raised #my left hand I can do it with just my index finger bent and the other fingers down #well. mostly? idk I am bad at it #I am not bad at catching footballs anymore though! #I did eventually learn how to catch them correctly (after I was no longer in that PE class) #I was in the desert with a friend and a friend of a friend #and the friend of a friend said cleaning was a girl's job and he wouldn't carry the football back to the camp #so I threw it at him! and then he threw it back #but I refused to participate in taking the ball back to camp so we ended up kinda playing angry catch? #and I spite-learned how to both throw and catch a football #entirely so I could aim it at this dude better (we were both like...14? our decision making skills were not great lol) #we did eventually play angry catch with the football enough to make it back to the camp #because the person holding the football would not move towards the camp but the other person could #my friend did leave us both in the desert without her #...but she didn't take the football back to camp either!

[aceofthegreenajah]

Thinking about Mountains of Mourning got me rereading it again for the millionth time. Every time I think, 'surely by now it has no hold of me? I know every turn it takes, can damn near recite parts of it.' And here I am, sobbing.

The story itself is beautiful, the language is gorgeous, but there is also something in the setting that speaks to me personally.

Our family farm is in a community smaller than silvy vale, and has been in the family for at least a couple of centuries. It's in the least populated and most backwater part of the country. And my country itself is small and insignificant, sparsely populated, mostly wilderness. In the eyes of some we may be backwater forest folk, tough as our land and just as stuck in our ways.

And I am a very tied-to-the-earth person. I am at home barefoot in the forest, fishing in the lakes, foraging in the swamps, working with animals, chopping wood. These forests are my forests, this land is my land. I was born on it and if I have to be buried, I want to be buried in it. I've never wanted to leave for better pastures. I've wished I could hold my home and my people up.

So though I cry for the beauty of the language and the message, and the grief of the plot, I also cry for the happy ending that Silvy Vale receives.

#Ah I miss our family land #I remember staying there for months as a kid and never once seeing an outsider #the community has been bleeding out people longer than i've been alive #when my mom was a kid there was still a school and a general store in the closest town now those are gone too #no-one wants to stay where healthcare may take hours to get to and there are basically no jobs #catching/gathering our own food during summer was what we did when i was a kid because we were poor #(mom and me in spesific not all of the family #but none of them were rich) #but doing it year-around is a shortcut back to starvation times #anyway i get why people wanted away - i don't live there for several reasons - but i wish it was different. i wish i could move back. #i wish there was someone still running our family farm. it's still our land - though some of mom's cousins own it now - but it's abandoned #(it is also a place where once upon a time #hurts and crimes could only be committed by family #and could go unanswered just like in the tiny Dendarii mountain towns. Mom's therapist knows all about it.) #vorkosigan saga #mountains of mourning #mountains of mourning spoilers #vorkosigan saga spoilers #probably

[arklay]

tagged by @denerims @aartyom @risingsh0t @florbelles @fenharel & @morvaris – thank you so much beloveds! ♡

tagging: @aelyosos @aragorngf @brujah @engferth @faarkas @necroticpetals @nocticulas @phillipsgraves @serenedy @swordcoasts @voerman @wrymbloods & i feel like everyone has done this already but if you haven't then i'm tagging you! ♡

OCS AS OTHER CHARACTERS.

rules: take this quiz and share 5 (or more! or less!) results from the top 50 that you feel really fit your oc(s). if you don’t recognize very many from the top 50, feel free to expand into the top 100.

glenn rhee (the walking dead)

peeta mellark (the hunger games)

annie january (the boys)

frodo baggins (lord of the rings)

luke skywalker (star wars)

amy elliot dunne (gone girl)

beth harmon (the queen's gambit)

dr. hannibal lector (hannibal)

melisandre (game of thrones)

mary wardwell (chilling adventures of sabrina)

faye valentine (cowboy bebop)

tyra collette (friday night lights)

gloria delgado-pritchett (modern family)

manny santos (degrassi: the next generation)

mazikeen (lucifer)

#tag games. #oc: dani #oc: reina #oc: diana #actually lost my mind that diana got amy dunne 92% match landslide... #i just chose the top 5 and not like 5 from top 50 cause i'll be honest i don't watch that many things so i don't know like the ins and outs #of too many characters you know?? so i'll be curious what you guys who know these characters think 👀 #also did ithrenil and i was like have never seen any of these people and they all look like villains noooooooo !!!!!!!! #most misunderstood oc ever oughghg but yeah i have no idea about a lot of these :0 i've seen like no movies or shows ever lmao #thank you guys for tagging me in things still even though i haven't been on here !! i appreciate it so so much that you guys thought to tag #me mwah 💖💖 when i finish re4 remake then i'll try to come on here more cause i've gotta catch up on my tracked tag and also will bombard #you all with wesker content (i'm sorry but also not sorry) !! there's a mod to replace leon with wesker's model so heheh love you leon but #i have this disease called obsessed with albert wesker !!!! but yes i have lots of gifs to get to and so much art from twt i gotta find #on here too and share them all !! but yes i hope everyone is doing well and that things on here have been good 💖

[doux-amer]

Revenant is soooo mid which is disappointing because I was looking forward to it due to the actors and writer (this isn’t a flop like Jirisan, which I gave up on after 2–3 episodes, but it’s not really good). BUT. BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m suffering from “poor little meow meow middle-aged man” deficiency and Professor Yeom Haesang suffers so much. I can’t believe I was like “Oh...okay” about his casting because I’m planting my palms against his windows, peering at him in his little cage and being fed because he’s had the worst life ever and it keeps getting worse. HAESANG *____*<3

#why are we not talking about him more on reddit/twitter/tumblr and why are there not enough gifs and pics of him breaking down #or looking slutty in his all black ensembles complete with a turtleneck #watch as this man's life continues to deteriorate! ep. 7 and 8 provided such rich sustenance for me #a simp for ajusshideul who are miserable #he's so small and sad and he can't catch a break #yeah okay hongsae is great too and he's a cutie but LOOK AT THIS 40-YEAR-OLD MAN! #technically i wouldn't even count that as MIDDLE age middle-aged but his actor is 46 so whatever #in all seriousness revenant exasperates me a little because you can see how it can be good #especially because there's a frame of reference to base that hypothesis on: signal. lol. #signal wasn't without its flaws but the characters and relationships actually had development and the main partnerships were intense #and the tension was high throughout #revenant is the same thing every episode pretty much #the first three episodes were pretty to really good and i loved the setup #and you have kim taeri hong kyung and oh jungsae and they're great actors #but the directing and writing aren't serving them well and you can see the drop in quality from the beginning to now tbh #there's only so much they can do if they're not being given enough from both #though the little bits that are good are the reason i'm sticking around to the end lol. that and haesang i'm going to be real #like haesang and sanyoung's relationship needed to be parallel soohyun and haeyoung's in a way in terms of how much #they grow to rely on each other and care for each other but we don't really get that