Why are people sleeping on the darker sides of Gales character and reducing it down to "he was groomed so it's not his fault/he only does it to hide his insecurity BC he hates himself so it's fine"
Y...you know his hubris is mega sized right? His ego is crazy inflated right? He's a power hungry man who genuinely thinks he's better suited to welding ultimate power than anyone else and he actions this perspective in game if you support him in it/unless you interrupt him right?
Like he has the Wizard Ego we see in Rolan, in Lorroakan. He has it too. It's kind of a wizard... Thing in the game at least, where they act like they're hot shit and spend their time trying to put other wizards down because they treat it like Highlander lol (THERE can BE only ONE ultimate hot shit wizard and of course it's me!)
He thinks he has the best opinions, he thinks he's the smartest, he thinks he's the best suited for power and that he's entitled to it because he's the best. He is extremely ambitious and he thinks being ambitious is one of his best qualities.
Have you seen his reaction if you try to let your Tav deal with that magic in that scene? Where he goes off about being the most qualified and that you CANT do it, and if you do he calls it sheer dumb luck?
Like you can totally say he acts this way due to severe insecurity but *he 1000%* DOES act this way in game and again, it's good writing! Is he a loving gentleman? Was he groomed and abused? All yes.
Does he have the hubris of a man who thinks he's better than everyone else and deserves godhood for himself and does he have an ego the size of Faerun that is also so delicate he threatens to explode if you tell him he's unimpressive ? Yes
Cause he's multi faceted and well written and he has good aspects and rough aspects and questionable characteristics and negative characteristics almost like a person who is capable of being many things at once, like real people are.
C'mon, fandom, let's try to take characters for all that they are and not pedestal them. It really take the flavour out of the experience because there's so much potential in characters that are more than just the 'best' parts of themselves
He also grows and changes throughout the game based on your characters influence and that's important to note as well because that's super cool and it means he has character development
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I'm pissed...
No sugar coating it.
Just finished my first play through, where I went with romancing Gale. I must have not done enough to dissuade him early on, because he was dead set on using the crown for himself. I know if my Tav had just gone with him, it would have been fine, but that's not her. So she tries to convince him to just let it go and stay with her.
This mf-er just leaves. Says if she changes her mind, he'll be happy to make her his Chosen. For the entire second half of the game, he goes on and on about how we will be alright as long as the two of us are together. Apparently, that was only when Tav went along with what he wanted.
Ugh.....
I think I know where I went wrong, but I'm still seriously annoyed. I'm going to have to either try to find a save right before that or do the whole campaign again. If I could have reached through the screen and smacked him, I would have.
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ITS ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT ITS ABOUT THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY ITS ABOUT ANIMAL ABUSE IN THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY ITS ABOUT THE COMMODIFICATION OF TRAGEDY FOR AN AUDIENCE ITS ABOUT THE PAST CATCHING UP TO YOU ITS ABOUT PREDATION ITS ABOUT RESPECTING NATURE ITS ABOUT BEING WATCHED ITS ABOUT BEING VIEWED ITS ABOUT SEEING ITS ABOUT BEING SEEN ITS ABOUT CONSUMPTION AND IT IS ABOUT BEING CONSUMED
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what do u think seans experience in reform school was like?? apparently the punishments were….well.
OH ANON!!!!! YES let's talk about this!!!!
So, a majority of the reform school horror stories that at least I've been hearing over the past few years have been largely been about schools that operated in the 20th century and into the 2010s at the latest, like the Dozier school or Elan. Then obviously there's the rest of the troubled teen industry but that's a more modern thing. Anyway, there's not a whole lot to go on for the late 1800's BUT I did manage to find a website which has a model for reformatory rules and regulations in 1890's Britain, which if nothing else, gives us something to go off in terms of what conditions could be like.
To start with, I think the fact that Sean was sent to reform school instead of other options interesting. Reform school was for delinquents; criminal children. Most likely, this means Sean was involved in criminal activity alongside his father - though, alternatively, it could mean whoever had to deal with Sean in the aftermath of Darragh's death, took one look at him and decided reform school was where he had to go.
Of course, Sean would never make life EASY for the officers and teachers of the school he was sent to. Not only is he there against his will, but those people and that place would, in his mind, all belong to the same entity which orchestrated his father's murder. That boy CAME to school with the intent to escape.
I think, with my HC of him having ADHD and dyslexia in mind, paired with his undoubted lack of respect for whatever authority figures that'd be at the reformatory, Sean would be singled out as a troublemaker from the get. It'd be one of those 'living up to expectations' thing from there, Sean making enemies out of the adults who were supposed to care for him and definitely coming up with ways to make their lives harder.
Sidenote; I definitely believe the little laugh Sean has after remembering his time in reform school was him reminiscing about all the pranks and shit he pulled to harass the workers there lmfao.
Of course, that also means he saw a LOT of the punishments they doled out. On the website they linked above, corporal punishment was VERY much on the agenda and I think Sean def saw the worst of it. I think an important aspect here is the understanding that once these things are seen as acceptable punishments, there's nothing stopping the person doling them out to up the severity of them despite regulations. A flogging shouldn't exceed 18 strokes nor a caning 8; but this offender has had several in the past few weeks and still keeps making trouble, lets add a couple extra just to get the message across.
I think the same goes for the punishments regarding isolation and meal deprivation; you can't tell me a young Sean already doesn't know the feeling of skipping meals out of necessity by the time he arrives at reform school - losing ONE meal as the regulations say with the assuredness of the next would do nothing to dampen Sean's spirits, nor a day in isolation.
Idk, Sean was truly desperate for money/food after 3 days, like that was when he tried to kill someone for it. Personally speaking, I go more than 12 hours without eating and I'd probably try to kill someone too. The 3 days speaks to a familiarity with hunger.
And idk, I definitely think Sean is used to being alone!!! It's why he likes being around people so much!! He grew up with only his father to rely on in the whole wide world, who probably HAD to leave Sean alone for prolonged amounts of time to do what he did as a Fenian & criminal. His scene in RDO also speaks to this; he gets lost and is on his own often!! It's not that he prefers it, but he is definitely used to it, and a day in isolation would probably make 0 difference to him fr!!
So, better up the ante to truly get those punishment across.
These are based on the British regulations for the time, mind! I couldn't find anything similar for the US, and I doubt there'd been a federal standard at the time, so I honestly imagine the punishments were more severe from the get, for Sean. Of course reform schools were supposed to be focused on reform over punishment, but when you're dealing with someone as possibly incessant and unyielding in their misbehavior as I imagine Sean was, punishment WOULD seem like the only option, with the knowledge they had at the time. I think he probably got the worse end of a LOT of it, because he wouldn't capitulate to the will of the reformatory very easily.
I don't think Sean stuck around for very long; around a year at most, I'd think. I also don't think he aged out of it, as the age of majority was 21 and it was more common for reform schools to set them up for some sort of legal work after 'graduating'. So yeah, he ran away, and promptly buried a lot of the bad shit he went through, as he is prone to do.
Thank you for this ask, anon!! I had a lot of fun thinking and reading about this, yall are REALLY indulging me here lolol
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concept for young ghetsis, pre- and post-incident that left him with the injured eye and arm as seen in canon ghetsis. more explanation of my thoughts on him below
pre-incident ghetsis i imagine was similar to how silver acted. a bit of a bully, pushing people around, looking to become the best without regards to treating his pokemon well. he differs in that he's a horribly sore loser and makes it known when he does, despite his strategy of an all-out attack being incredibly predictable every time. born with a weaker leg and used his cane his whole life, is insecure over being seen as "weak" because of it. his home life was also probably... not great either. despite it all he still manages to make some friends, and heads off on a journey with them to conquer the pokemon league...
then, the incident happens. all he says is that he tried to catch an incredibly strong pokemon... but it didn't work and nearly killed him in retaliation. despite all odds, he survived... but clearly something changed after that. his arm and eye never healed quite right, leaving his arm very weak and his right eye totally blind. he became very quiet for a while after that, very reserved and distant from others. he developed trust issues, believing that those around him only pitied him and saw him as weak and usable. he'd lash out at anyone showing him sympathy or offering help, believing that in order to not be seen as weak, he had to be able to help himself and couldn't rely on others, even shoving his friends away. his desire to win and be the best turned into an insatiable lust for power, an overcompensation of his own insecurities... soon becoming the keystone of his motivations. he cannot be weak or pitied, he must be powerful. the MOST powerful. feared and revered, incapable of being hurt like that ever again...
and then, one day, he simply vanished. went off on his own and wasn't seen again by anyone from his hometown for a very long time. he became manipulative and cruel, honing his public speaking skills, soon finding n in the woods... and then we know what happens from there
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