#anti tulpa terminology

[kipandkandicore]

we tried uploading our doc compiling voices of asian/tibetan buddhists regarding tulpamancy language to the r/tulpas subreddit…

and surprise surprise, none other than cambriancrew, who is apparently a mod for that sub, locked our post almost immediately and assured us that tulpa terminology is not racist and that anyone who claims otherwise is just trying to destroy the tulpa community.

it’s disheartening, to say the least. even though our post was kind and respectful, without breaking a single rule of the sub, cambrian locked it almost immediately (literally like 3 minutes after we posted it).

so what are we to do when it comes to educating others and discussing racism within the tulpa community outside tumblr? it’s so sad to see that moderators are willing to lock and shut down any attempts people make at bringing these serious issues to light on reddit.

here is the doc in question, by the way…

#syscourse #tulpa #tulpamancy #pro tulpa #anti tulpa terminology

[multiplicity-positivity]

To our followers:

It has never been a goal of ours to police other people’s lived experience, much less their online experience. However, this is a shift we feel is necessary for us to make.

It is with a heavy heart that we are adding to our DNI followers and fans of @/sophieinwonderland.

Why?

This has everything to do with racism within the plural community. We have seen many conversations circling recently about tulpamancy terminology, its harm, and how it directly negatively affects marginalized groups (specifically Asian/Tibetan Buddhists).

As a white system, we believe it is crucial to center the voices of affected marginalized groups when discussing issues that directly concern them. Because of this, a few members of our system have compiled a list of testimonies from Buddhist POC involving their thoughts on tulpamancy language. We’d encourage everyone to check out that document, which we will link below:

The fact of the matter is, Sophie of @/sophieinwonderland has ignored, brushed off, or flat out denied the concerns and struggles of Buddhist POC regarding their language being appropriated. She has fearmongered to warp this issue into one that centers tulpas as those being discriminated against, rather than the racial and religious minorities whose culture has been stolen.

We cannot stand for this. As a white system aiming to unlearn racial biases and push for antiracism in our spaces, we feel it is imperative to bring this issue to light on our positivity blog and adjust our DNI accordingly.

We are more than happy to answer questions for anyone who is still confused or has concerns. And we will include a small FAQ below a cut to answer questions we anticipate may arise.

Thank you so much for reading, everyone! Of course, we cannot ensure that 100% of our interactions are coming from people who don’t support this user. However, we can rely on the basic human decency and respect of others and trust that they will respect our wishes on this matter. You are welcome to unfollow us, block us, do what you have to do. But we will not budge on this matter until the voices of Buddhist people of color have been acknowledged and recognized!

FAQ regarding this change:

Q) Can tulpa systems still interact?

A) Yes! Our biggest issue is with this particular user’s unwillingness to listen to racial and religious minorities concerning issues that directly affect them. While we are moving away from tulpamancy language ourself, we understand it may take some time for others to make this change for themselves!

Q) What terminology can be used instead of tulpamancy that is not cultural appropriation?

A) Thoughtform, parogenic/paromate, paro/paromancy, willogenic/willomate!

Q) I don’t want to have to choose between y’all and Sophie! What can I do?

A) In this situation, we politely ask you to choose anyway. And if that is too difficult a choice to make, we can make it for you and ask you to go ahead and unfollow us.

Q) What about (x user) who is a pro-tulpa Buddhist Asian/Tibetan?

A) Currently, we have resources from 8-9 individuals expressing concerns over tulpamancy language. If we can hear from a similar number of actual Asian/Tibetan Buddhists stating otherwise, we will happily reconsider our stance. It’s important to listen to people of color when they say something hurts them.

#psa #beware #syscourse #pro endo #tulpamancy #tulpa #pro tulpa #anti tulpa terminology #racism #multiplicity #pluralgang #plurality #actuallyplural

[greens-spilled-tea]

Asians tell you that this is cultural appropriation and you don't listen.

Buddhists tell you that this is cultural appropriation and you don't listen.

Tibetans tell you that this is cultural appropriation and you don't listen.

People who live in the area tell you that this is cultural appropriation and you don't listen.

Tibetan Buddhist practitioners tell you that this is cultural appropriation and you don't listen.

No, it was never about "listening to the right voices". It was always about finding the one voice that you can parade around as "the" voice "proving" what you're doing isn't cultural appropriation.

It was always about cherry picking who you listened to so that the voices that actually "matter" are the ones that agree with you.

It has never, ever been about the actual, real people you have hurt along the way in your crusade to be right, to have people blindly believe you, to stay in your own comfort while those of us with a personal stake in this conversation get spoken over and hurt time and time again. And for what? So you can feel like you're okay for using the fucking word "tulpa"? So you can feel superior in your fucking gotcha posts as you tear us down?

It was never about hearing our voices. But we already knew that.

Stop pretending you care about us.

#syscourse #anti tulpa #anti tulpa terminology #by green

[ramblings-of-a-liege]

before i start this vent, lemme tell you that i’m not against systems creating their own headmates. i just want systems, especially white systems, to change their terminology. that’s all.

anyway, with that said, we’re bodily east asian. we are buddhist. we don’t want people to appropriate our terms. that’s all. how is that so hard to understand?

you have so many words. parogenic. parogen. thoughtform. willogenic. you don’t have to use tulpa, yet you insist on it.

it’s fine if you’re parogenic. hell, we have a parogenic headmate. just for fuck’s sake, use a different word. please.

-deth

(i edited this post. it’s going to look different in the reblogs. just saying.)

#plural #endogenic #swearing #endo safe #anti tulpa terminology #pro endo

[solxrsys]

what’s ur opinion on the word tulpa

uhhh my first post explains it rly well on how i feel abt it but i’ll try n clarify

“tulpamancers” can easily use a different word, the only “history” behind the word tulpa is how it was stolen from tibet to be profited off of and from fucking 4chan/reddit

stuff like willowgenic, thoughtform, and i think parogenic are words that can be used and have like zero difference from tulpa

people using tulpa is genuinely just preference and ignorance. it pisses me off cus people have said how fucked up it is but those people don’t give two shits abt asian people

#syscourse #tulpacourse #anti tulpa terminology #i think those are the tags

[plural-affirmations]

Is it valid to consciously create alters?

Absolutely, anon! I'm of the opinion that any form of plurality is valid, but, speaking specifically for created systems or headmates... we love them! We think they're so amazing and very, very cool!

The only thing we'd say we're against is that so-called tulpas and tulpamancers should probably pick language that's less... inflammatory and racist? Y'know? That's our thoughts, anyways.

Point is, yes! Please feel free to send in a request for positivity relating to willogenic systems, if you need to hear some today!

🖤💜💙💚💛

#not a request #anti tulpa terminology #tw syscourse #← kinda

[philocetera]

Honestly I agree with your tulpa post! I was raised Buddhist and would still kinda consider myself one and I always felt it was a little disrespectful. Good day! /gen

Sorry for not answering sooner! You have a good day too. I appreciate this a lot :)

#dear white people #anti tulpa #anti tulpa terminology #anti appropriation #etcetery

[system-of-a-feather]

By the way, as a Buddhist, its is 100% okay to borrow a "Buddhist lens" and perspective and you are absolutely welcome to do so. You are arguably deeply encouraged to borrow the lens and perspective. A lot of Buddhists would be overjoyed to see you borrow a Buddhist lens and perspective.

#alter: riku #buddhism #still anti-tulpa terminology #because there is a difference between borrowing the lens and That #there is a respect to buddhism that That lacks #though with more proper respect

[sophieinwonderland]

Something About The Simply Plural Gatekeeping I Need To Get Of My Chest...

Okay, this is a vent post.

The people gatekeeping Simply Plural are doing so under the pretense that this is a "disability aid." And to an extent, that's true. Simply Plural is an app that helps systems, and some of those features are especially geared towards helping DID/OSDD systems. But there's an underlying tone to this that only DID/OSDD systems should be allowed to use this. It presents a view where anyone who uses this resource with DID/OSDD is taking away from DID/OSDD systems.

Before I go further, I just want to point out how stupid this is, again. I saw one person compare using Simply Plural to stealing a wheechair from a disabled person. Even if we agreed with the false premise that it's specifically made for DID/OSDD systems, it's still nothing like that, because unlike wheelchair, anyone can use an app without taking it away from others. Rather, Simply Plural would be more analogous to a ramp. It's built with disabled people in mind, but can be used by anyone, and you look pretty dumb if you're going to call someone ableist for walking up a ramp because walking up a ramp is "stealing resources from disabled people." 🙄

But Simply Plural is a resource made with all systems in mind. Not just DID/OSDD systems. The same is true of Pluralkit. These resource were never meant exclusively for disordered systems, so the argument of them being disability aids doesn't make sense.

Moreover, many of these systems who gatekeep Simply Plural and Pluralkit are anti-endos. They claim something that was made by the inclusive plural community, and then try to gatekeep it and act like they can decide who has a right to use it.

While they focus on singlets, the underlying implication to the "disability aid" argument is that anyone who doesn't have a disorder who uses the app is taking something away from disabled people.

All of this brings me to a point I've been thinking about for a long time... the anti-endo community doesn't make anything. They don't contribute resources. They just take things other people have made and then claim those things for themselves.

For all the claims of endogenic systems stealing resources from DID/OSDD systems, a lot of the resources in these communities were created by the inclusive plural community.

Simply Plural is heavily tied to the Plural Association, and likely wouldn't exist without the inclusive plural community supporting it. A relationship made apparent through this thread.

And let me just say how ungrateful the person comes off here. They use Simply Plural for free with no ads, and are almost definitely not supporting Apparyllis in any way. Yet they have the nerve to challenge their support of endogenic systems and one of their largest donors who pays for them to be able to have such free and convenient access to the app.

Then of the two major system bots on Discord, Pluralkit's creators are very explicit in supporting any systems using it (and allow its use for singlet RP'ers), and Tupperbox was originally made for tulpa systems.

As I've discussed before, many of the terms in circulation in the community today originated with the inclusive community. "Plural" and "headmate" came from this community. Terms like fictive and factive were taken from Soulbonders.

And those that weren't taken from the inclusive community were taken from medical terms. And I say taken, because they're often redefined in ways that weren't intended when they were coined.

For example, while medical professionals refer to alters as parts of a system, they've also used the same terms to describe subpersonalities in the IFS model. Someone who undergoes IFS therapy and feels plural afterwards has a legitimate claim to call themselves systems based on this psychiatric definition. Recently, the term has been applied by psychiatrists to intelligent voices in psychotic disorders. And current studies into endogenic systems have largely been using system terminology. And so when someone says you can't call yourself a system because it's medical terminology, they're ignoring how the term is actually used by medical professionals.

You could also apply this to "introjects" as well, where introjection is a psychological term that refers to any instance of acquiring traits from another individual. Introjection was never meant to refer exclusively to a DID/OSDD phenomenon. And terms like "host," while used to refer to the primary fronter, have just as much history in spiritual multiplicity if not more.

It's a pattern of claiming exclusive ownership over resources and language they didn't create and don't have the right to define, then gatekeep others from using those resources.

And to be clear, they're obviously welcome to use any of the terms coined by the inclusive community, as well as the resources the inclusive plural community has built. I would even encourage it.

Simply Plural, in particular, is an incredibly important resource to the mental health of many systems.

But the anti-endo community didn't build it. You don't get to decide who does and doesn't use it. You don't get to gatekeep a resource that was made by a community that you hate and don't want to exist.

If you don't like it, you can always make your own resources. But that would require anti-endos to actually build something to contribute to the community for once instead of just taking from others.

And this is what I find frustrating about this whole controversy.

Anti-endos constantly project.

The inclusive plural community built Simply Plural. They built Pluralkit and Tupperbox. They contributed a good half of the most common system terms in circulation today, with most of the rest being psychological terms or just normal words, most of which weren't even meant to be applied exclusively to multiplicity.

The anti-endos hate our community, yet they rely on the resources our community built. They go so far as to gatekeep these resources we built, because not only do they rely on them, they feel like they should own them. They feel entitled to the resources we created as if those resources are their property.

And then they claim that we're stealing their resources.

In the end, the pro-endo community is one that builds things up, creating resources for everyone to use

The anti-endo community just tears people down.

#syscourse #endogenic #pro endogenic #plural #plurality #plural system #endogenic system #actually endogenic #actually plural #simply plural #pluralkit #endo system #multiplicity #system #systems #vent

[acetoneperoxyde]

you know, actually

if we, as a community, agreed to just start using different terminology (parogenic, thoughtform, etc rather than "tulpa"), could we all just move on with our lives and put this stale syscourse to bed?

if we agreed to those terms, would the newly-minted "no longer anti-endo" accounts on this site accept that created systems exist?

(not a rhetorical question btw, genuinely interested to see if people are serious about negotiating an end to all of this)

#i would actually be open to diplomacy if there is some buy-in from the other side #syscourse #pro-tulpa

[kipandkandicore]

we love you thoughtforms!

we love you parogenic and willogenic systems!

we love you paros, parotives, and paromancers!

we love you systems who used to use tulpa language but have made the shift away from cultural appropriation!

we love you those in the pro endo community who are taking concerns of asian buddhists seriously!

we love you systems who are questioning their internalized biases and are trying to unlearn racism!

we love you systems who are advocates for change within tulpa and pro endo communities!

we love you systems who center and uplift voices of poc buddhist systems in their discussions of tulpa language!

we love you systems who are committed to positive change!

we love you systems who are pro tulpamancy as a practice and anti tulpa language and terminology!

we love you systems who are committed to calling out racism in their own spaces and communities!

we love you every system who is trying to improve themselves and their spaces for the better, even when it’s hard and especially when it’s not a popular choice in their communities!!!

#pro endo #tulpa #tulpamancy #pro tulpa #anti tulpa terminology #plurality #pluralgang

[starscatteredsky]

hi! not sure if tumblr ate my ask, but can I get some tips for a steampunk/old-fashioned robotkin? ^^

tips for steampunk/old fashioned robots

pt: tips for steampunk/old fashioned robots

wear lots of gear themed clothing!

dress in lots of coppery and brassy tones

have a skincare moisturizing routine/product to “keep your gears oiled”!

use robotic/machine terminology to describe yourself! (ex: when you’re tired you’re “low on battery/ need to charge/ running out of steam”, when you’re confused you’re “rebooting / not computing”, etc)

use automaton/robot/steampunk/etc themed neopronouns!

move more stiffly or robotically!

try learning to voice act some machinery or robotic type sounds or voices!

collect steampunk style trinkets!

hope these help!! -🩸

have a great day, hope these help!! -🩸

Requests open!!!

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[greens-spilled-tea]

When it comes to the whole tulpa terminology discourse, there’s a question that keeps being brought up time and time again: what other word would people even use? What alternatives are even out there?

And my answer to that is, that sounds like something that the community itself needs to discuss. I don’t think people outside of that community should really be leading that discussion. You guys know your community best after all, and I would like to trust that the tulpa community may be able to find some kind of term that you may be able to start shifting towards. It may take some time before anything catches on, but I want to have faith that there are those in the community who care enough and are willing to enact on making those changes.

I honestly do not feel comfortable bringing up any alternatives for you guys to use as I am not part of the tulpa community myself. I am an outsider, after all. I can only point out when something from your community is hurting me, but when it comes to internal change, that has to come from those who are in the community itself. And, again, I have faith that there are those in the community who care enough to start those conversations.

#tulpacourse #syscourse #anti tulpa terminology #by green #by pink

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變 : not really interested in engaging with syscourse though I might occasionally, I am mostly anti-endo (pro conversation), though the majority of that is due to co-opting of terminology, cultural appropriation, spreading of misinformation, overall attitude towards systems, and general redirection of resources away from trauma victims : neutrals feel free to interact, pro-endos can as well if you aren’t obnoxious about it 💊

𖧧 : endos who do not do any of the following feel free to int:: you do not use any medical system terms, do not use the word “sysmed”, are not appropriating or in support of appropriating cultures (tulpas), do not spread misinformation about DID/OSDD research, are educated on the DID/OSDD diagnostic criteria, and do not actively take sources away from trauma victims 🥩 my stance is that you do not need trauma to be plural, but you do need trauma to be a system. Me being anti-endo isn’t saying I don’t think you exist, I’m saying your plurality is not systemhood and you need to stop forcing yourselves into our spaces.

♡ Don’t call me plural, do not use plural pronouns, don’t call my alters headmates⚡️ not listing triggers, mutuals tag aggressive yelling, dog fights, and “as long as it’s consensual” phrase thank you

- Did not think I’d need to say this but proshippers dnfi, if you comment on any of my posts you’re asking for an IP reveal

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[hiiragi7]

Tulpa discourse is not just some "drama of the week". A lot of people are still not really grasping this. This isn't just some petty issue, the arguments and issues brought up by the tulpa discourse are reflective of wider community struggles with racism and appropriation and performative activism and speaking over minorities which needs to be addressed. The tulpa discourse just drags a lot of these issues out into the open in a very obvious way.

Many of the people in this debate are not upset about tulpas; we are upset about the way pro/tulpa terminology people approach and discuss racial issues. Created headmates are not the problem. The problem is how you treat the topic of racism and refuse to listen to the people that are harmed by your attitude towards these topics.

Like, if those on the pro/tulpa terminology side actually cared to have a discussion on the issues brought up instead of, for example, making the anti- side out to be "all sysmed psy-ops trying to destroy the tulpa community", this entire discourse would look very different. How is anyone to believe you really do care about asian, buddhist, and Tibetan voices when your reaction to conversations about a term being appropriative is so extreme and malicious?

This entire time, I have not gotten very many responses from the pro- side looking for a discussion or for more information. What I have gotten is a lot of responses from the pro- side calling me a sysmed, insulting me, spreading rumors about me and people I know, even joining the server I moderate to attempt to troll/raid it. I have seen this happening to the other anti-tulpa terminology people on here as well, some getting much worse hate than me.

I am just so... Frustrated. Unless I missed something, I haven't seen anyone on the anti- side making the conspiracy theory level claims that some on the pro- side have been making. And somehow people are actually believing it, because apparently listening to white people with no authority on the topic is more important than listening to the ones who should actually have a say in all this.

#syscourse #tulpacourse

[plural-affirmations]

Hi, I have a question regarding a term as I'm still pretty new to the DID/OSDD community. What does tulpamancy mean? Feel free to add in some more terms that you think I should might know, I would kindly appreciate it.

Hey!

Short answer? "Tulpamancy" is a bastardized Western version of a closed Buddhist practice, following the term being spread via Alexandra David-Néel. The whole terminology is extremely racist. ADN took the basic idea from a highly complex spiritual subject, and made it into a completely different concept, which she then sensationalized.

I'd give a longer explanation, but, in all honesty, I'm chronically ill and low on spoons.

I can link to a document which compiles various POC voices speaking out against the racism of tulpamancy language, if that's helpful.

(via @dreamlandsystem )

And here's an archived link of a carrd from a practicing Buddhist who's directly affected by "tulpamancy". I actually personally knew them back in 2020.

Apologies this wasn't very detailed... anyone can reply to this, if they have more info on the subject.

🖤💜💙💚💛

#anti tulpa terminology #answered