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Hello! I was wondering, what would you classify as the outfits defining the different eras of Wanda? Like her first, classic, Wada, and Dauterman outfits.

Well, I think you've kinda answered your own question. Wanda's had lots of costumes, but her most iconic ones can usually be attributed a specific artist's work on a specific book. She didn't really start changing up her look until the 90s, but I would say that her most iconic outfits, outside of the classic one, really are the Pérez dancer costume from Avengers (1998), and Kevin Wada's design from Scarlet Witch (2016). A lot of her other looks are more short lived, or just not well-remembered. The new one's made a big splash, but it's too soon to say what kind of staying power it'll have.

Some of those short-lived looks are actually my favorites, though, so I want to do a brief history of Wanda's costumes. This is only going to be from the main Earth-616 continuity, and, full disclosure, I'm cribbing most of these images from uncannyxmen.net's costume gallery.

The classic Scarlet Witch costume has had several variations over the years. She consistently wears some version of this outfit from the 60s through to the 90s, but there were often changes to the style and cut of her garments. She wore a wimple-like headpiece in her early appearances, and traded it in for the now-iconic M-shaped diadem in Avengers #36, published 1966. She also went through a few maternity versions of her costume during her pregnancy in Vision & The Scarlet Witch (1985).

Wanda's first major costume changes were actually the result of possession or mental manipulation-- when possessed by Chthon, Wanda takes on a ghastly appearance and her clothing transforms into a dark red bodysuit with a tattered cape, sans headpiece. [Avengers #186] Later, while under Immortus's influence, Wanda cuts her hair short, ditches the headpiece again, and dons a red-and-black costume with a dramatic purple cape. [Avengers West Coast #55]

Wanda began changing her look more frequently in the 90s. During the late run of Avengers West Coast through Force Works, she wore a red dress over a black one-piece, with a necklace, gloves, and boots-- no headpiece. This is the first real costume change that she made of her own volition. She also had a brief-lived costume which first appeared in The Crossing, that drew more inspiration from the magical characters in Doctor Strange.*

The Pérez design first appeared in the opening storyline of Avengers (1998). In an alternate reality conjured by Morgan le Fay, Wanda and Pietro both appear as sterotypical "gypsies." Wanda later adapted her her outfit from this world in a contemporary costume. This was intended as an earnest representation of Wanda's cultural identity, but it fell quite short of the mark. Alan Davis later designed a more conventional superhero suit combining many of the same elements, without being an ethnic costume.*

In the early 2000s, Wanda debuted a set of red body armor with that combined fantasy aesthetics with a superhero silhouette*. This what she's wearing during Disassembled, but it's not well-remembered, perhaps because of the understated color palette. Wanda returned in Children's Crusade wearing a slightly updated version of the classic costume, with a halterless one-piece and cowl-neck cloak. I think this is the version most people refer to when they draw her classic suit, so to that end, it might be the most iconic.

Wanda had another rapid succession of costume changes in the 2010s, starting with the knee-length red dress with built-in gloves she debuted in Uncanny Avengers (2013).* In the Uncanny Avengers 2015 miniseries, she and Pietro both donned new, but very short lived, futuristic costumes for a brief adventure into outer space.

Then, in late 2015, Wanda received her first solo title in two decades, and it came with full aesthetic overhaul. Kevin Wada designed a collection of looks inspired by witch-house and dark romance fashion trends. This was eventually streamlined into a cohesive superhero suit for other ongoing comics, with an ornate red bodice and jeweled diadem.

In 2022, Russell Dauterman designed Wanda's look for the second annual Hellfire Gala event, taking heavy inspiration from the silhouette of her Crossing costume and the darker, more ornate aesthetic of Wada's design. A slightly simplified version of this look became Wanda's main costume in Scarlet Witch (2023) Most notably, this design incorporates the same magical galaxy effect from her son Wiccan's costume into Wanda's skirt and hair, signifying her mastery of chaos magic. Whether or not this costume lasts, I believe that the dark, bejewelled aesthetic and galaxy effect will continue to define Wanda and Billy's looks for years to come.

*these are my personal underrated faves

#wanda maximoff #scarlet witch #robintext #scarlet witch costume

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silverjetsystm · 10 months

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What's up, gamers. Every so often, I get asked for MK comic recommendations. I'll include links to a couple of really good reading guides from the subreddit (that I had Zero hand in making) and toss my two cents below. Not that it'll buy you anything.

TL;DR: See reddit below, be sure to check out the Excel master list of appearances. Most of the quality runs has been printed in omnibus, Epic Collection, trade paperback, Marvel app. You know.

If those links don't work, go to the r/MoonKnight subreddit and check out the Reading Suggestions and Collected Editions in the menu.

Below the cut, I give a sort of non-spoiler walkthrough and talk about what's in print .

Cory's Reading List [Edited 2 April 2024]

I read everything on the below list. I have my opinions. If I tell you not to read something, it's because I don't like it. But I'm also some Jewish singlet/non DID/OSDD guy on the internet.

Here are some articles by a system who is a fan of the Moon Knight System.

Okay, finally, the list

Werewolf by Night (1975) #32 and #33. First appearance.

Marvel Spotlight #29

Hulk Magazine #13-15, #17-18, #20-21 (they're the backup stories, so if you're 'online' search and read by Hulk, scroll halfway through the issue)

Marvel Preview #21

Moon Knight (1980) #1-38 written mostly by Moench and drawn by Sienkiewicz. "But Cory, why are we reading all these old comics?" Because while different words are used now, the writers of the first run do really well at making Marc, Steven, and Jake a system. Iconic rogues are introduced. Marc's first backstory in #37 and #38 is the perfect backstory, imo.

Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu (1985) fucking sucks but #6 is great. So, read #1 so you know what the plot is and #6.

West Coast Avengers (1985-1994) goes here. The first time Khonshu is more than just some weird statue. Also includes Tigra and Marc kissing. MK is in issues #21-41, which is collected in 3 different Epic Collections and at least one is out of print because someone in Marvel hates me specifically /jk. The Epic Collections are titled: Lost in Space-Time, Tales To Astonish (out of print), and Vision Quest.

Marc Spector: Moon Knight (1989-1994) is 60 issues and it gets borderline unreadable about halfway through. That being said, the first half has some great stuff. So honestly, read a few stories from it, get tired, and know he dies at the end. Then read

Resurrection Wars and High Strangers - two separate mini-series by Moench because they killed his boy. Walks back some of the MS: MK things to the 1980s days.

MK (2006) is 30 grimdark issues. The first 13 issues are usually all I can stomach. Marc gets injured, kills Bushman in an extremely violent way, and has substance use issues. He also is extremely violent, lashes out/pushes away his original cast. The run is hella ableist.

Vengeance of the Moon Knight (2009): The most Marc acting Jake Lockley in existence, coming back from a stint in Mexico at the end of MK 2006. Some retcons. It's. Fine.

Secret Avengers (2010) #19 is one of the only issues with decent MK. First sighting of Mr. Knight. Too bad it's by Ellis. The rest of Secret Avengers is ableist or he's not really there.

Shadowland: MK is an event tie-in. Does some retcons I like but also our favorite can't stay dead brother is back.

MK (2011) by Bendis. Don't read it. Steven and Jake are replaced by Cap, Wolverine, and Spider-Man. Why isn't addressed.

MK (2014): Marc's back from LA. Introducing Mr. Knight. As far as plot goes, it's mid. As far as cool art goes, it fucks. Do you like black and white suit? Marc punching ghosts? Bird skull Khonshu? Tell Shavley thanks. This run is mostly out of print on account that the first writer, Ellis, sexually coerced people.

MK (2016): Lemire and Smallwood. The dream team. It's set in the System's inner world. If you can only get one run in print, this is the one I recommend.

MK (2017): The Bemis run. Websites attach it to the Lemire run. It's not. Stop reading 2016 when issue #188 appears. It's shit.

Avengers (2018) #31-38. Age of Khonshu only is relevant for what Marc does now and his mental state.

MK (2021) wrapped at 30 issues in December 2023.❤️ MacKay gets it right the vast majority of the time. The art (inks and colors) are some of my favorite work around Sienkiewicz and Shavley. Like Lemire, MacKay ties in classic points with new directions.

Vengeance of the Moon Knight (2024) is the current ongoing from January 2024-???. Same creative team as Moon Knight (2021).

Print Options:

Omnibus is a heavy, oversized, hardback and contains a lot more issues. They also have some weird printing smell and texture. Epic Collections are standard sized, softback that has more issues than a Trade Paper Back (TPB). Make sure you read the back of the volumes so you don't buy repeats. Weigh pros and cons. What do you value/can afford? And the physical weight of the omnibus.

As of Spring 2024, there are currently 5 omnibuses with another on the way.

MK OMNIBUS: Volume 1 (1975-1980) - MK's first appearance, the backups from Hulk magazine, half of the 1980 run.

MK OMNIBUS: Volume 2 (1980-1985) - other half of 1980 run, MK: Fist of Khonshu

MS: MK OMNIBUS Volume 1 (1989-1994) - #1-34 (out of the 60 issues), some Spidey, some Castle.

MS: MK OMNIBUS Volume 2 (1989-1994) - #35-60 and both of Moench's mini-series (Resurrection Wars and High Strangers) and 3 issues of Black Panther. Do I recommend this omnibus? Not really. After the first story in this omni (and even it is stretching it), it really does fall off that cliff. But, I got it because I wanted it on my shelf. Moench and Black Panther stuff helps soften the sting.

MK by Huston, Benson, & Hurwitz OMNIBUS (2006-2010) - all 30 issues of 2006's run and Vengeance of MK, and Shadowland.

Additionally, MacKay's 2021-2023 run will be published as an omnibus in October 2024. I'm only surprised it's happening this soon and without Vengeance but...We'll see what happens in Vengeance eh?

There are currently 6 (going on 7) Epic Collections for the pre-ehhhh... 2006 stuff. Everything after 2006 and Vengeance 2009 is far more accessible in Trades (paper or hardback) or single-volume for certain runs.

MK Epic Collection: Bad Moon Rising - early adventures pre-1980 and the first 4 issues of 1980.

MK: Countdown to Dark: the Hulk backups and Marvel Preview #21.

MK Epic Collection: Shadows of the Moon - MK (1980) #5-23

MK Epic Collection: Final Rest - MK (1980) #24-38

MK Epic Collection: Butcher's Moon - tie-ins, solo issues, and MS: MK (1989) #1-7.

MK Epic Collection: Death Watch. Collects MS: MK #39-51, Divided we fall, and some other tie-ins. Yes, we do jump ahead from #7 to #39.

MK Epic Collection: The Trial of Marc Spector fills in some of Death Watch's gap with MS: MK #8-25 and that Punisher annual. It comes out in October 2024 as well.

For Lemire's run, there is a one volume softcover collection called Moon Knight by Lemire & Smallwood: The Complete Collection. This is the one you want.

Happy reading!!

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businesscasualcyclops · 4 years

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X-Men this, Avengers that, refusing to learn your lesson about fighting Magneto is for all.

#magneto #hawkeye #clint barton #hank pym #us agent #john walker #marvel #ripley reads 616 #ripley reads #avengers west coast (1985) 60

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imperiuswrecked · 3 years

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Do you know the timeline of what pietro was doing so like early 60s x men villian turned avenger but at what point did he formally hop off the roster? I know he left in like the 70s or something and would periodically show up but when did he formally join again? And what was he doing during that time besides living with the inhumans, working with X factor and working with the knights of wundagore. I know about his whereabouts from 2000- currently, but it’s mostly the 80s and 90s I’m not sure on

Quicksilver, a Timeline of Major Events 60′s-90′s:

Uncanny X-Men (1963) #4 Pietro Maximoff and his twin sister Wanda join The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.

Uncanny X-Men (1963) #11 Quicksilver and The Scarlet Witch quit the The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants and reject the X-Men's offer to join their team.

The Avengers (1963) #16 Pietro tells Wanda about the idea of them joining the Avengers.

The Avengers (1963) #47-53 After being kidnapped by Magneto, the Twins listen as he attempts to recruit them to the brotherhood once more, Pietro pretends to play along in order to thwart Magneto.

However Wanda’s temple is grazed by a bullet during an altercation with humans, unknowing that Magneto was the cause Pietro’s hatred towards the humans who hated him and his sister for being mutants and his shock/anger over Wanda’s injury he joins Magneto’s Brotherhood once more. Magneto wastes no time preying on Pietro’s emotional state and worry for his sister.

The Scarlet Witch, now powerless, along with Quicksilver and aided by Toad escape the clutches of Magneto, who was fighting the Avengers & the X-Men.

The Avengers (1963) #75-77 The Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver return! But are they friend or foe?

While they were gone the trio had been trying to find a way to help Wanda get her powers back and magical shenanigans happen.

Turns out Pietro needs help and he needs the Avengers! Listen Pietro is really worried about his sister all the time ok?

By issue #77 they are officially back with The Avengers!

The Avengers (1963) #104 Pietro is searching for his sister!

The Avengers leave him behind after the battle without thinking to check that he showed up or that he may be injured in need of help. Hello? Avengers? It’s Pietro. He definitely was there!

Avengers (1963) #110 Months have passed! Pietro has been missing, Wanda is worried and searching. Enter Crystal! The beginning of the one of the worst marriages in Marvel History!

Pietro & Crystal marry in The Fantastic Four (1961) #150.

Pietro bounces around books, Fantastic Four, Inhumans, and Avengers by the end of the 70s. Now we have Pietro being a bitch to Vision because he doesn’t like him and Moondragon mind rapes him into being ok with Vision & Wanda being married. (haha I hate it here) The Avengers (1963) #175-176

The Avengers (1963) #185-187 THE YESTERDAY QUEST! Pietro & Wanda origins! By the end of this confusing tale we know that Magda was their bio mother and their bio father is unknown. Django & Marya Maximoff are their adopted parents. For a better explanation of their origins read this.

Vision and the Scarlet Witch (1982) #4 The big reveal! Magneto is the Father of the Maximoff Twins!

We are now in the 80′s and during this time period Pietro was with the Inhumans. Luna is born! The Fantastic Four (1961) #240

Vision and The Scarlet Witch (1985) #10-11

*takes a drink and let’s out a long suffering sigh* Fuck You Englehart. Pietro is blamed for being neglectful of his wife so Crystal HAD AN AFFAIR WITH A BORING ASS HUMAN NAMED NORMAN.

shhhhhh Vision. It’s ok. Walk away, Pietro’s got this. No no it’s fine. Let him have some murder.

surprise surprise, Crystal and Norman will be fine but Black Bolt orders Pietro to get back together and forgive Crystal. Everyone: We know you just found out your wife cheated on you but you gotta move on and take her back. Pietro: what the fuck? are you all high??? I’m out! (And evil now!)

West Coast Avengers (1985) Annual 1 Pietro is done being a good guy, now he is evil! Honestly he deserves to tell the Avengers how he feels!

Anyways evil plots blah blah. Pietro bounces around different comics books again being a baddie. Gets captured by the Inhumans. Escapes again.

And now he monologues in West Coast Avengers (1985) #34

ISTG VISION I WILL DROP KICK YOU INTO A FUCKING VOLCANO! What the FUCK do you mean Pietro can’t love??? I’ll kill you bitch!

*coughs* anyways moving on. This era is kinda confusing because Pietro is just all over the place, so I just tried to streamline the timeline even if some comics came out before/after others in the time frame. From what I’ve read here’s what happens next:

X-Factor (1986) Annual 2 Turns out Pietro is EVIL this whole time because he was being mind controlled by Maximus the Mad. He is fighting the mind control while also kidnapping Franklin for Maximus.

After the fight is over and Maximus is defeated, Pietro rushes off to his hug his daughter, Luna

Fantastic Four (1961) Annual 21

Black Bolt tells Crystal to get back together with Pietro after Pietro helps them, after a (silent) speech about family, she leaves her feelings for Johnny behind (again) to be with Pietro. wow just the whole: all right Pietro! That’s their big get back together panel. I would be mad if it wasn’t so funny. LMAO. No one cares about Pietro and it showed in every bit of the writing.

Also can I just say I hated every single thing about the “Pietro is EVIL” plot, it was so fucking stupid and the cop out of him being mind controlled was obviously slapped on at the last minute to wrap things up. The writers spent YEARS tearing down Pietro’s character and they don’t even give him a good arc or anything. I love him remembering Luna but oh my god was this the most painful era of Quicksilver. I sincerely want to say FUCK YOU to the writers.

Nearing the end of the 80′s and moving on to the 90′s

Avengers West Coast (1989) #56-62 Look at this beautiful evil family!!! Everyone is evil now :D

This era is after Wanda lost her kids but Pietro wasn’t really evil just playing along so he could keep close to Wanda and save her. Anyways Wanda gets better and Pietro stays by her side to make sure she is ok. Pietro at this point isn’t on any official teams but hangs around/helps out West Coast Avengers.

NOW THE 90′S

Pietro enters the team in X-Factor (1986) #71 and stays on for a time. He and Crystal are working things out but you know how it is with Crystal (derogatory) now torn between her HUSBAND and the Black Knight (again). Like I’m just so tired of Crystal getting to cheat, have emotional affairs, and no one calls her out on it.

X-Factor (1989) #92 is the beginning of the Fatal Attractions storyline.

From here we have Fatal Attractions > Bloodties both events center around Magneto, Quicksilver, and Mutants. There is just so much here that it’s best I link you to this X-Men Timeline Reading Order. X , X , and the complete Quicksilver comic appearances, X I know it’s a lot but this post is long enough as it is!

Continuing, Quicksilver in Bloodties: Pietro wants to leave X-Factor to join Crystal on THE AVENGERS (1963) #368 but first they have to save Luna!

Pietro, Crystal, & Luna stick around with the Avengers until issue #395

After which, Crystal is thought to be dead after the Onslaught Event Pietro hangs around the X-Men but never officially joins their team X-Men (1963) #337

Pietro takes Luna to Wundagore where he raises her as a single dad with the help of his furry friends.

Quicksilver (1997)#2

Crystal comes back, she still can’t choose between Black Knight & Quicksilver so off she goes, back to the moon with their daughter. The 90′s are over and the next major events are in the 2000s with House of M. This is just a timeline of major plot points in Quicksilver’s history, there is a lot of little things I left out but this is the general gist of where he was and what he was doing in that time frame. As you can see the late 70s-80s were not the best Quicksilver content.

#pietro maximoff #quicksilver #scarlet witch #wanda maximoff #magnet family #magneto #erik lensherr #luna maximoff #crystal amaquelin #avengers #xmen #xfactor #imp answers #long post #comic meta #this took a few days bc i had to make sure of all the events in order bc comics are insane #thank you to my friends who listened to me rant about the 90s #im tired now lmao

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colombinna · 2 years

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Fine, here's how you read the comics for Wandavsion:

So from my accounting there's around 35 to 50 issues worth reading in all of the scarletvision timeline (the stuff kinda went down when Bendis joined marvel and it still hasn't gone back up). Here they are, in what I hope is a comprehensive list:

TL;DR listing of all the best 616 scarletvision comics to be found here. If you want to know why I excluded some issues mentioned in other reading guides, or which specific ones you can skip or skim through, read the text under the cut.

(special thanks to @userpym for the banner art and their correct opinions)

So, let's start with their first solo appearances:

Wanda makes her debut in X-Men issue 4, way back in 1963 (she's one of marvel's OGs!). She and her brother are coerced into joining Magneto's Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, before they decide to leave. Read X-Men vol 1 issues 4, 11 and 17 (I think). The twins join the Avengers in Avengers vol 1 #16 and stay there until issue 49.

Vision shows up first in Avengers vol 1 issue 57, and it's really good. Seriously, whatever you think of the Age of Ultron movie, this one is infinitely better. Read issues 57 to 62 and you can get a good initial look of his character.

Now, onto the romance:

It starts on Avengers 76 when they first meet (wanda is in less than ideal circumstances. The late 60s were sure a time) and imo you should keep it going up to Avengers 135 when they're about to get married. So, Avengers vol 1 issues 76 to 135.

It feels like a lot but most of them really only have one or two scenes worth of their story each, so you can just skim through those issues until either wanda or vizh are in scene.

(Except for the kree-skrull war which I paid more attention for the captain marvel storyline cause i wanna see how that unfolds in the future with their son and his boyfriend. It's also fun to draw parallels between the boys and their parents).

Do be aware though that there's a bad love triangle arc with Mantis after she joins the Avengers in between those aforementioned issues, so when you stumble upon it, I wouldn't reccomend paying much attention to it. Just skim through those or outright skip the issues if it bothers you too much. (Except for Avengers issue 128, that focus on Wanda's witch training and shows Agatha Harkness for the first time in an Avengers comic. Do keep an open mind for her, btw).

Then they get married at Giant-Sized Avengers 4 which isn't really that fun to read in its entirety. But hey, it does tells vision's origin story (which John Byrne retcons 15 years later, and Geoff Johns explains further 15 years after that). And also Wanda beats the shit out of Dormammu at age 23 and as newly-trained witch using nothing but sheer determination and the power of love (why yes she should've been sorceress supreme for a long time now), so that was pretty nice too.

After that, I didn't really read much because I felt Avengers got kind of samey. However both Wanda and Vision do get important arcs for their respective backstories until the decade ends. (but I have to mention that it is still the 1970s so Wanda does get treated badly in hers)

Vision's story happens in Avengers 151 and goes all the way through Avengers 160 (which is sooo good btw. I really really really love the construction of his character during Bronze Age); while Wanda's are in issue 181 to 188.

Then you can just skip to their duo series from 1982, The Vision and the Scarlet Witch vol 1, and read issue 252 of avengers just because the reflections made in it are really good imo.

And then you get to the main attraction, The Vision and The Scarlet Witch vol 2 (1985). Read all the 12 issues alongside the crossover in West Coast Avengers, I guarantee you it's a hella fun time.

When the series is concluded they kind of go into ice for a few years while they take care of their newborn twins, until West Coast Avengers 33, where a conflict from Vision/Witch vol 2 is finally resolved. It's a really nice series up until issue 42 when Byrne takes over the book and decides to turn Wanda's life into an endless hell, killing Vision and assassinating Simon Williams' character in the process.

The entire overarching plot starting in issue 42 doesn't end with the Vision Quest - no, it actually drags on for over 20 issues and it's just time after time Wanda being traumatized and fucked up. If you're looking for a good time with comics you absolutely do not need to read those.

However I WILL say, if you're into character analysis and all that, and you wanna get a good understanding of the character's relationships and decisions from that point on you should at least read up till the Mephisto arc (West Coast Avengers vol 2 issues 42-53).

Again, if you want to just have fun you don't have to, but if you like to discuss comics and all you should read them, because I will NOT have more people who didn't read the comics claiming Vision was an "absent father" when he was actually fucking dead from day one. So, West Coast Avengers vol 2 issue 42 to 62 if you want to get deep into the characters and discuss them.

Moving on, most of Wanda's mystical role as a powerful sorceress and as a nexus can be understood reading The Scarlet Witch vol 1, which in my opinion is a much better take on almost the same concept, and West Coast Avengers Annual 7 feats an amazing story explaining what happened in John Byrne's WCA, Wanda's feelings about the whole thing and with some of the best character work I've ever seen for Wanda.

Then, since Vision is dead until 1994, there really isn't much to work with, however we do get a pretty cute scarletvision story in Marvel Fanfare vol 1 #58

And we do get Vision's thoughts on life with Wanda and the death of his children (and his own) during Vision vol 1 (1994), when he finally comes back to life.

Unfortunately not much long after that (in 1998) he goes into Kurt Busiek's Avengers (vol 3) and that man either doesn't know or doesn't care about any established canon whatsoever - so Vision's character is just a weird contradictory mess for a while.

So besides the Ultron Imperative graphic novel (which is so so so fucking good because it's done by a lot of long time marvel writers like Steve Engleheart) (don't bother with Ultron Unlimited though), I wouldn't waste my time with anything Avengers related up until Geoff Johns hands us little blessings of scenes over 19 issues. Besides the romance and how cool Wanda is throughout all of them, he's just really good at writing avengers stories in my personal opinion. I had a lot of fun with them.

So read Avengers vol 3 (1998) issues 57 to 60 (order/chaos arc), and 61 to 76. (Plus his Avengers Icons: The Vision miniseries, which focuses on Vision's relationship with the Horton side of his heritage, and is fucking amazing.)

You can keep reading avengers vol 3 until ends with issue 84, it's nice overall, but there's really no need if you're interested only in the couple.

After that, the meteor hits. Bendis takes over Marvel for some reason, and starts what I like to call The Late 2000s Bullshit Crisis. He villifies disabilities and mental illnesses in a mess of a story arc only to turn Wanda into a supervillain in Avengers Disassembled and its much, much worse sequel, House of M. (Children's Crusade ends the evil trifecta by being Allan Heinberg's worst comic ever to date. Do not read any of those if you want to keep your peace of mind.)

Vision dies in the middle of Avengers Disassembled, and stays dead until 2011 when he has an underwhelming comeback in Avengers Shattered Heroes.

However, we were blessed with Fred Van Lente deciding to bring him back in 2010 for a special tie-in in a crossover event called Chaos War Dead Avengers. You don't need to read anything from Chaos War (honestly I find it kinda boring) to understand Chaos War Dead Avengers and this is so far my favorite Vision comic ever. Fred van Lente may not have known how to deal with Amadeus Cho in my personal opinion but god does he know how to deal with Vision.

And, if you want some more scarletvision family material, there's always Young Avengers volume 1 (issues 1 through 8, Young Avengers Special, then YA 9-12). This is where the boys come back, in all their queer glory in one of my favorite comics of all time. Despite the main book only having 12 issues, the young avengers were everywhere in the Avengers franchise in the late 2000s; they show up in all events, complete with multiple YA one shots, special issues and crossovers - but to our goal over here the only ones that matter are Young Avengers Presents, the Runaways/Young Avengers crossover miniseries that happened in the events of Civil War and Secret Invasion, and my personal favorite) Siege: Young Avengers.

Some people dislike the runaways crossovers, and the civil war crossover is definetely not a light read, but I personally can still enjoy them. (And if you want to see Simon Williams bring more harm to members of his family, read the whole Civil War event)

Meawhile, Runaways/Young Avengers: Secret Invasion expands even more on the kree-skrull related circumstances that the Pym-Maximoffs seem to always find themselves in somehow.

That is mainly it for them in their best characterization. And if you're wondering "what about vision 2015" we do not talk about Vision 2015. That's our Heroes in Crisis, that's our Batman Wedding (because they were all written by the same shitty guy lol). It's a bland, hollow and mostly ooc take on the character we all agree on collectively forgetting it ever happened.

To close this post, an update on their state in current comics (which I'm still not caught up on, which is why this list mainly consists of older stuff): As far as I'm aware nowadays they went back to that will-they-won't-they stage so we have some one off cute scenes whenever an author feels like it. But also Wanda's got a boyfriend and Vision is just hoeing around ig, but it's comics so consistency isn't really a thing, so you never really know how the next author might feel towards them.

if you have any questions feel free to just ask, either here or on my ask box

#wandavision #scarletvision #616 scarletvision #marvel #marvel comics #616 marvel #wanda maximoff #the scarlet witch #the vision #616 wanda #616 vision #mcu #scarlet witch #vision and the scarlet witch reading order #wandavision reading order

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Ultron . 1st - 4th slide is from the Official Handbook the Marvel Universe v3 22 (1992) by Keith Pollard and Josef Rubinstein. 6th - 7th slide is from West Coast Avengers v2 1 (1985) by Allen Milgrom and Joe Sinnott. . #ultron #supervillain #marvel #comics #90s #80s #60s #pym #avengers #westcoastavengers #keithpollard #josefrubinstein #joesinnott #allenmilgrom #almilgrom #ironman #wonderman #tigra #mockingbird #hawkeye https://www.instagram.com/p/CIlyD9aBn13/?igshid=yw3gqjz2asbz

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Born in Chicago, Illinois, Marc Spector is a Jewish-American rabbi's wayward son. As an adult, Spector had been a heavyweight boxer before becoming a U.S. Marine serving in Force Recon, afterward, he left the Marines to become a mercenary occasionally doing work for the CIA. As a mercenary he befriends the French pilot Jean-Paul DuChamp, whom he affectionately calls "Frenchie". While working for the African mercenary Raoul Bushman in Egypt, the group stumbles upon an archaeological dig whose crew includes Dr. Peter Alraune and his daughter Marlene Alraune. The dig had uncovered an ancient temple where artifacts included a statue of the Egyptian moon god Khonshu. Intent on looting the dig, Bushman kills Dr. Alraune. In response to Alraune's murder, Spector challenges Bushman to personal combat and is defeated by Bushman and left to die in the sub-zero temperatures of the desert night. The Egyptians who worship the ancient gods find Spector and carry him to their temple. Helpless before the statue of Khonshu, Spector's heart stops. Khonshu appears to him in a vision, offering Spector a second chance at life if he becomes the god's avatar on Earth. Spector awakens, wraps himself in the silver shroud that covers Khonshu's statue, and again confronts Bushman. He defeats Bushman and returns to America with Marlene, Frenchie, and the statue of Khonshu. Deciding to become a crimefighter, Spector creates a silver cloaked costume, based on the silver shroud, and becomes Moon Knight aka "The Fist of Khonshu".[24]

After his return to the United States, Spector invests the money that he had accumulated as a mercenary and develops a small fortune. To distance himself from his mercenary past, he creates the identity of millionaire entrepreneur Steven Grant, using this identity to purchase a spacious estate. To remain in contact with the street and criminal element, he also creates the identity of taxicab driver Jake Lockley and has acquired civilian allies such as Bertrand Crawley, Gena Landers, and her sons.[25]

In the character's first appearance, the criminal organization the Committee supplies Marc Spector with the name Moon Knight, his costume and weapons (using silver) to hunt down Jack Russell. In Los Angeles, Moon Knight captures the Werewolf for the Committee, but then frees him and halts the Committee's plans, fighting Russell again.[26] He battles Conquer Lord,[27] teams up with Spider-Man to fight Cyclone,[28] and fights Lupinar,[29] and his brother Randall, the Hatchet-Man.[30]

His origin of being "created by The Committee" is explained as a ruse set up by Frenchie so Marc can shut the Committee down.[31] He then encounters the Midnight Man[32] and returns to Chicago to prevent the poisoning of its water supply by a group called the Werewolves,[33] encounters Morpheus[34] and teams with Daredevil to fight the Jester.[35] It is around this time that he first encounters Stained Glass Scarlet.[36] Later, he battled the Werewolf once again,[37] battled Bora, and met the X-Men, the Fantastic Four,[38] and Doctor Strange.[39]

Volume 2: Fist of Khonshu (1985)Edit

Spector abandons his Moon Knight, Grant, and Lockley identities after the effects of Russell's bite (lunar cycle-based strength)[40] fade away, and functions as an independently wealthy man opening art galleries around the world, with the help of art historian Spence. Spector's estranged relationship with Marlene ends when she finally leaves him for her ex-husband when he becomes Moon Knight again.

The cult of Khonshu telepathically summons Spector to Egypt and supplies him with a new arsenal of moon-themed projectile weaponry, originally designed by a time-traveling Hawkeye in ancient Egypt. Khonshu himself appears to Spector and enters his body, giving him the same lunar abilities he previously had.[41]

As the agent of Khonshu, he aids the West Coast Avengers, but at the cost of alienating Frenchie and further distancing Marlene.[42] He time travels to 2940 BC to rescue the Avengers, where he learns of his weapons' design by Hawkeye.[43] He officially joins the West Coast Avengers[44] and enters a relationship with Tigra for the remainder of his tenure on the team.

While investigating the Phantom Rider with Daimon Hellstrom, Moon Knight and the Avengers are attacked by soldiers working for Khonshu's rival, Seth, who is invading Asgard. Khonshu abandons Moon Knight to battle Seth after explaining it was his wish to join the team, not Spector's. Moon Knight resigns from the team,[45] and reunites with Marlene and Frenchie,[volume & issue needed] only to die and be resurrected by Khonshu once more.[volume & issue needed]

Marc Spector: Moon Knight (1989–1994)Edit

This volume introduces Moon Knight's teenage sidekick Jeff Wilde, also known as "Midnight", the son of Midnight Man, a member of Moon Knight's rogues gallery. At this time, Moon Knight first encounters the Black Cat.[46] Midnight is turned into a cyborg by the Secret Empire, then is seemingly killed in a battle with Moon Knight, Spider-Man, Darkhawk, the Punisher, Nova and Night Thrasher.[47]

Teaming up with the Punisher, Moon Knight defeated ULTIMATUM,[48] and during the "Acts of Vengeance", fought Killer Shrike, Coachwhip, and the second Ringer.[49] He then encountered Silver Sable and her allies Sandman and Paladin.[50] As Marc Spector, he was tried for murder in Bosqueverde, South America.[51] Moon Knight teamed up with the Punisher again, as well as Spider-Man against the Secret Empire.[52]

While fighting with his brother Randal Spector over who is destined to carry the mantle of Moon Knight, Marc discovers Khonshu is not the god of vengeance but the god of justice.[53]

Moon Knight eventually upgrades his armor to adamantium armor rather than his original Kevlar costume.[54] This upgrade is critical since Moon Knight needs the armor to hold his body together after being infected by the then-possessed Hobgoblin. The disease is revealed to be the villain known as Demogoblin trying to possess him.[55] With the help of Doctor Strange and Mister Fantastic, the Demogoblin parasite is removed. Moon Knight seemingly severs his ties to the Avengers by burning his membership ID card after being brought in by Thor to answer charges in regard to his illegal actions against Doctor Doom.[56] By the end of the series, Moon Knight is killed violently, sacrificing himself to save his loved ones from a computerized villain called Seth and his "Zero Hour" program.[57]

Resurrection Wars and High StrangersEdit

Moon Knight was resurrected in two separate limited series in 1998 and 1999.

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Minor appearancesEdit

In 1998, Spector uses his Ka to help a critically injured Black Panther through the Kingdom of the Dead.[58]

In 2001 and 2002, Moon Knight joins the "Marvel Knights" non-team to capture the Punisher.[59] After making a brief appearance in the "Avengers Disassembled" story-arc, he makes a minor return in the 2005 Marvel Team-Up miniseries, fighting alongside Spider-Man, Daredevil, and the Punisher. He later appears in issue #2 of the Great Lakes Avengers mini-series where Doorman offered to recruit him in the GLA, but he immediately rejects the offer.[60]

Moon Knight Volume 3 (2006–2009)Edit

This volume opens with Marc Spector's early retirement which comes after a brutal battle with Bushman. Although his body is broken after a tremendous fall and both knees shattered, Moon Knight finally defeats his nemesis Bushman by carving off his face with a crescent moon dart. Spector is then haunted by a spiritual apparition of Khonshu, who chose a faceless Bushman as his ethereal representation. Marc Spector's background is updated, so he fought in the Gulf War and that his time as a mercenary was during the 1990s. It is also revealed that Frenchie is homosexual and in love with Marc Spector; which is why he stuck around for so long.

The new Secret Committee then hires The Profile, an amoral character who can analyze a persona past and future habits with a glance, to help them entrap Moon Knight. He escapes after the plan collapses because they authorized a mugging of Frenchie too soon. Profile then becomes a reluctant source of information for Spector himself, even giving him advice on rekindling his relationship with Marlene.

Moon Knight eventually gets drawn into the Superhero Registration Act as he investigates a string of murders perpetrated by Midnight, his former sidekick. Other Marvel heroes take notice of his violent return to vigilantism. Spider-Man attempts to contact Moon Knight but is rebuked.[61] Captain America pays him a visit to deliver a warning and they quarrel.[62] The Punisher and Moon Knight have a lengthy conversation about the nature of their vigilantism and their shared past.[63] Moon Knight is forced into a final confrontation with his cybernetically enhanced former sidekick Midnight, seemingly killing him for good.[34]

Iron Man also investigates Moon Knight's activities by placing him under close surveillance. Finding his mental condition unstable, Iron Man decides that arresting Moon Knight under the Registration Act might make his mental instability worse. Moon Knight begrudgingly applies for registration after much prodding from Khonshu, not wanting the law to keep him from his work. The new law requires him to submit to a psychiatric exam. The psychiatrist controlling the exam, along with the government and Tony Stark, has no intention of granting Marc Spector approval for registration. After speaking with Spector's repressed alter egos Jake Lockley and Steven Grant, the psychiatrist begins the process of officially turning him down, suggesting possible future imprisonment. Subconsciously Spector breaks the doctor's will by speaking in the voice of Khonshu and pointing out the doctor's own antisocial tendencies, as told to him earlier by the Profile. The psychiatrist not only approves his application but bows to worship him as well. However, later on, Marc meets the Profile with their dialogue suggesting that the personalities above were just an act to be approved for registration.[35]

Moon Knight shows little regard for his newly licensed superhero status or any passion to the people around him, further alienating himself. His former nemesis Black Spectre returns. Carson Knowles, recently released from prison, attempts to frame his murders on Moon Knight. He steals some Stark nanotechnology and plans to unleash it on the city. Moon Knight pushes Knowles off a building apparently to his death. Tony Stark, as the head of the Initiative, revokes his superhero registration, but buries the fact that Spectre had stolen Stark Tech.[64]

The Thunderbolts, led by Norman Osborn, are now on the hunt for Moon Knight. Tony Stark and second-in-command Maria Hill argue with former Avengers government liaison Raymond Sikorsky, now a representative of the Commission on Superhuman Activities, who desperately wants for Moon Knight to be apprehended with extreme prejudice.[65] Marc Spector himself busts up a drug deal while wearing an entirely black costume while going through an internal monologue about how crime-fighting is much easier without the burden of his reputation and "costume recognition."[66]

Several weeks later, after barely surviving an altercation with the Thunderbolts, Spector pleads for Khonshu's forgiveness for turning his back on him and for the god's renewed assistance. Khonshu appears and informs Spector he doesn't need him anymore, as he now has other worshipers. Spector returns to his Moon Knight costume to aid Frenchie DuChamp in gaining revenge on the Whyos gang for attacking his restaurant and injuring Frenchie's lover Rob, only to find the Whyos' attack was designed to draw Spector into another conflict with the Thunderbolts when he is ambushed by Venom.[67] After a brief fight Moon Knight is captured, but escapes when S.H.I.E.L.D. shows up. Frenchie agrees to help Spector, and Ray joins the reformed team as well. Bullseye is released to kill Moon Knight, as Spector prepares to go out with a bang.[68]

Moon Knight is next seen battling Bullseye on the streets of NYC. He eventually leads Bullseye to a bunker/warehouse where he has planted several explosives. Bullseye narrowly escapes as Moon Knight ignites the explosives. Later that day two press conferences are held: one by Norman Osborn to announce the Thunderbolts' success and Moon Knight's death and the other held by Tony Stark who denounces the methods used by the Thunderbolts. At the end of the issue, it is revealed that Moon Knight has faked his death, escapes from the warehouse through a secret passage in the floor, and is hiding in Mexico. It is also revealed that the Marc Spector persona has "died" and that Jake Lockley is now in control.[69]

Now living as Lockley, the Moon Knight escaped to Mexico.[70] Laying low to avoid attracting the attention of the Registration Act any further, Lockley gets roped into a mission involving criminal cartels, two boisterous sibling luchador assassins, and a murderous Toltec avatar. During this stint in Mexico, Moon Knight learns he was being shadowed by The Punisher from the moment he crossed the border. Frank Castle's reasoning was that he knew Moon Knight would find himself somehow involved with the very cartel Frank had been pursuing; however, the Toltec god's avatar made quick work of the cartel.[71]

Eventually, the super-hero Civil War ended with Norman Osborn as director of H.A.M.M.E.R. and with him replacing S.H.I.E.L.D.. Lockley knows that Osborn had been behind the group of Thunderbolts sent to kill him and that a deranged psychotic was not fit to run the U.S.A.'s national security agencies, so using some spoils from the Cartel, Moon Knight decided it was time for a comeback.

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The Infinity Gauntlet Box-Set

Some brief words on the recent Infinity Gauntlet box-set that Marvel released and I was one of... dozens(?) to buy it. Actually, I just went and looked up the top 100 graphic novels in March, when this came out, the number two dollar rank isn't on the chart, which I'm betting is this given it's cover price making it much easier for it to make a big dollar splash while not making the chart at all.

Before we get going, here are the contents:

INFINITY GAUNTLET PROLOGUE PREMIERE HC 440 PGS. / COLLECTING SILVER SURFER (1987) 34-38, 40, 44-50; THANOS QUEST 1-2

INFINITY GAUNTLET PREMIERE HC (NEW PRINTING) 256 PGS. / COLLECTING INFINITY GAUNTLET (1991) 1-6

INFINITY GAUNTLET CROSSOVERS PREMIERE HC 504 PGS. / COLLECTING CLOAK AND DAGGER (1988) 18, SPIDER-MAN (1990) 17, INCREDIBLE HULK (1968) 383-385, DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME 34-35, SILVER SURFER (1987) 51-59, QUASAR 26-27, SLEEPWALKER 7; MATERIAL FROM DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME 31-33

INFINITY GAUNTLET AFTERMATH PREMIERE HC 344 PGS. / COLLECTING SILVER SURFER (1987) 60-66, DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME 36, WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH 1-6; MATERIAL FROM SILVER SURFER ANNUAL 5

INFINITY WAR PREMIERE HC 264 PGS. / COLLECTING INFINITY WAR 1-6

INFINITY WAR CROSSOVERS VOL. 1 PREMIERE HC 552 PGS. / COLLECTING FANTASTIC FOUR (1961) 366-368, SPIDER-MAN (1990) 24, DEATHLOK (1991) 16, DAREDEVIL (1964) 310, WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH 7, DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME 42-44, SILVER SURFER (1987) 67-69, WONDER MAN (1991) 13, ALPHA FLIGHT (1983) 110, SILVER SABLE & THE WILD PACK 4, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY (1990) 27, QUASAR 37, NEW WARRIORS (1990) 27, MARC SPECTOR: MOON KNIGHT 41-42; MATERIAL FROM CAPTAIN AMERICA (1968) 408, ALPHA FLIGHT (1983) 109, MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS (1988) 108-111

INFINITY WAR CROSSOVERS VOL. 2 PREMIERE HC 536 PGS. / COLLECTING WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH 8-10, QUASAR 38-40, ALPHA FLIGHT (1983) 111-112, DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME 45-47, NOMAD (1992) 7, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY (1990) 28-29, SILVER SABLE & THE WILD PACK 5, WONDER MAN (1991) 14-15, MARC SPECTOR: MOON KNIGHT 43-44, SLEEPWALKER 18, FANTASTIC FOUR (1961) 369-370; MATERIAL FROM MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS (1988) 112

INFINITY WAR AFTERMATH PREMIERE HC 352 PGS. / COLLECTING WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH 11-17, SILVER SURFER/WARLOCK: RESURRECTION 1-4, QUASAR 41-43; MATERIAL FROM MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS (1988) 112, MARVEL HOLIDAY SPECIAL 2

INFINITY CRUSADE PREMIERE HC 488 PGS. / COLLECTING INFINITY CRUSADE 1-6, WARLOCK CHRONICLES 1-5, WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH 18-22

INFINITY CRUSADE CROSSOVERS VOL. 1 PREMIERE HC 344 PGS. / COLLECTING THOR (1966) 463-464, IRON MAN (1968) 294-295, AVENGERS WEST COAST 96-97, DARKHAWK 30, CAGE (1992) 17, ALPHA FLIGHT (1983) 124, MARC SPECTOR: MOON KNIGHT 57; MATERIAL FROM DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME 54-55, ALPHA FLIGHT (1983) 122-123, WEB OF SPIDER-MAN (1985) 104-105

INFINITY CRUSADE CROSSOVERS VOL. 2 PREMIERE HC 352 PGS. / COLLECTING ALPHA FLIGHT (1983) 125, 127; THOR (1966) 465-467; DARKHAWK 31; SILVER SURFER (1987) 83-85; DEATHLOK (1991) 28; MATERIAL FROM DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME 56, ALPHA FLIGHT (1983) 126, SILVER SABLE & THE WILD PACK 16-17, WEB OF SPIDER-MAN (1985) 106, DEATHLOK (1991) 29

INFINITY GAUNTLET COMPANION PREMIERE HC 528 PGS. / COLLECTING THANOS ANNUAL 1; WHAT IF? (1989) 49, 104; WHAT THE-?! 20; AVENGERS & THE INFINITY GAUNTLET 1-4; INFINITY GAUNTLET (2015) 1-5; MATERIAL FROM WHAT IF: NEWER FANTASTIC FOUR, WHAT THE-?! 24; BONUS MATERIAL

Oh, and it came with one of those posters made of the same material as flags of the cover of The Infinity Gauntlet #1. I haven't hung it up, because I have no idea where I would.

But, really, as you can see, it is basically everything Jim Starlin did with the cosmic characters from his Silver Surfer run through The Infinity Crusade with pretty much every possible tie-in included, including many that aren't explicit tie-ins (like in the various Aftermath volumes). Looking at the contents of this set, you can tell that talking about the actual quality of the comics would be futile. You're only buying this sort of set if it's already your thing. For me, it was a chance to read all of the tie-ins and comics surrounding the Starlin stuff. From that perspective, let's run down some good and bad things:

* The biggest negative that I have is that the Infinity War tie-ins by Starlin aren't presented in that collection, they're shunted off to the Infinity War Crossovers volumes. This is especially frustrating given how the first voume is so large that the first couple of issues collected are bound to the front cover rather than the spine. Taking the few issues of Warlock & the Infinity Watch along with that Thanos four-parter from Marvel Comics Presents would have slimmed down that volume to not make that necessary, and would have made for a better reading experience for Infinity War (especially since the trade of that event includes those issues -- though, maybe not in between issues as I place them, but at the end -- I'd have to check out a copy of the paperback to see...). After all, the rule of thumb that I follow (and, really, makes the most sense) is that any comics written by the writer of the main event series are essential to understanding the event. But, that's the only real negative that I have. The only other thing that would have been a benefit would have been including the Silver Surfer graphic novel Homecoming that Starlin wrote as it ties into his run on that title to a small degree and is more explicitly reference in the Silver Surfer/Warlock: Resurrection mini. Maybe adding in another volume with the rest of the Infinity Watch run? That's probably pushing it, but, while we're nitpicking.

* Honestly, there isn't much else that I can criticise. The packaging is great. Solid box. Heavy. HEAVY HEAVY HEAVY. It came in a box from Amazon that then contained another box and it was packaged to avoid damage. The look of the set is good. I like that, for the spines of the books, they used the heroes lined up on the cover of The Infinity War #1. The cover art on each of the volumes (front and back) is a cover from the issues inside with the backgrounds stripped away. In some cases, it works better than others, but, really, who cares. No printing errors that I found or poor quality scans or anything. Good paper stock. The binding is, mostly, good, aside from the beginning of the first crossovers volumes for The Infinity War, as I stated above.

* The reading order is solid. That's an area where I could probably nitpick for days if I really wanted, but what's the point. The only spot where I was concerned was with the Starlin stuff and they put all of that in the same order that I have my copies of the comics in, so... I mean, when it comes to the various crossover issues, I thought that they did a really good job of balancing the various concerns of the spot in the main event that the tie-in issues connected with (which was, sometimes, several issues of the main series) along with the need to present cliffhanger issues right before the followup for better reading. There's no perfect solution and I think that everyone involved here did a good job of finding that balance.

* Despite my complain about not including the Homecoming OGN, I can't fault them for missing anything. In a few cases, they presented excerpts from issues where the event in question was briefly referenced just to be as complete as possible. When it came to the Infinity Gauntlet Companion collection, that's where the bonus material really explodes. Variations on The Infinity Gauntlet are included, like the all-ages retelling and the Secret Wars Battleworld mini, What If? issues, What The--?! issues, even the Starlin-penned Lim-drawn Thanos annual #1 that features an avatar of the Gauntlet-wielding Thanos are all included. From there, the material digs down even deeper with material from a swimsuit special, reproductions of various trading cards, tons of variant covers from different projects that relate, a lot of Marvel Age material, and then panels of scans of original art from anything that they could find that was collected in the set it seems. I would never say that the set is worth it just for this volume because look at the price tag, but I will say that this volume was my favourite of the bunch because of the breadth of material.

As I said, this isn't a set that you worry about the quality of the content too much ahead of time, but I would like to take a brief wander through some of what stood out on that front:

* Not since Avengers vs. X-Men have I had a chance to see such a large sampling of event series tie-in books. This set has three events in their entirety and it provides a cool window into how tie-ins can be approached. Now, of course, events done in the early to mid '90s are different than events done at Marvel over the past decade. There were no creative retreats where Starlin talked about his ideas and other people chimed in and, thus, writers were able to tailor their tie-ins a bit better to the main series and their own. Most of the tie-ins usually expanded on scenes their characters appeared in and used them to further whatever story was already being told in the book. Even for characters that played larger roles in Starlin's stories, there wasn't much room to add meaningfully to the main series, so series like Silver Surfer and Dr. Strange wound up taking a small piece and then going off on their own tangent. The former used a lot of hallucinations or interior exploration; the latter was big on Astral Projection. Lip-service was the name of the game.

* This set did give me a further appreciation for Ron Marz's work on Silver Surfer and Thor where you could definitely see the effect of coming up under Starlin had on his work. His Surfer stuff is the closest I've seen anyone not named Starlin doing comics that I'd put in with Starlin stuff.

* One of my favourite tie-ins was Wonder Man #15, which tied into The Infinity War. I'd read a few issues of the title to that point and it was... fine. But, this issue really took the subplot of Wonder Man questioning his humanity and existence, the idea that he needed anger to get his powers going, and tied it into the doppelganger stuff from the event, and really delivered a strong issue. I was really blown away with the work done to integrate the two.

* Silver Surfer and Dr. Strange were the only comics to tie into all three events.

* You could tell how desperate a title was for sales by how many tie-ins it had... by the end, Alpha Flight and Thor both had six tie-ins to The Infinity Crusade. Ouch.

* Honestly, most of the tie-in comics are... not good. Take a look at the comics that were participating in those events and you're not exactly seeing the cream of Marvel's crop. But, they weren't as bad usually as I would have expected. A lot were serviceable. Some were fun. Only a few were outright terrible. It was a fun window into that period of Marvel.

If there is anyone out there afflicted with the same interest in this material, then this box-set is worth it. I really can't imagine that there are many of you. I wouldn't have thought it would be more than just me, honestly.

#comics #Jim Starlin #the infinity effect #Ron Marz #Ron Lim #Thanos

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鹰眼科普3——大事件

大事件：官方手册参考书目（链接到：Ronin：http://marvel.com/universe/OHOTMU:Bibliography-Avengers_2007#Ronin）【译注：以下内容为Ronin简介中的选译，主要是为了对括号中提到的漫画做个情节提示方便大家按图索骥，因此与先前简介相同的内容不再重复】 >起源：Solo Avengers #2 (1988); Hawkeye #1-6 (2003-2004); Avengers #19 & 65 (1965 & 1969); Tales of Suspense #57 (1964); Avengers #63 (1969); New Avengers #30 (2007) >将马戏团视为新家（Solo Avengers #2, 1988） >对剑客像父亲一样崇拜 (Solo Avengers #2/Avengers #19/Avengers #65, 1988/1965/1969) >向Trickshot学习箭术 (Solo Avengers #2, 1988) >拒绝了巴尼让他继续深造（学习）的建议 (Hawkeye #1, 2003) >因为参与小偷小摸而被巴尼骂 (Hawkeye #2, 2004) >穿上了鹿皮制成的鹰眼制服，被剑客警告不要幻想他们是平等的，发现了剑客抢劫马戏团的物资，拒绝与他一起偷窃，几乎被剑客杀掉，腿断了，被Trickshot和巴尼救了，剑客逃跑 (Solo Avengers #2/Avengers #19/Avengers #65/Hawkeye #3, 1988/1965/1969/2004) >对于他没参加剑客的偷窃行为巴尼表示了极度蔑视，被巴尼抛弃 (Solo Avengers #2/Avengers #65, 1988/1969) >（Trickshot向他）介绍了特别的‘Trickshot’箭头的概念，意识到Trickshot是个残忍的虐待狂但和他呆在一起可以学习他的技术并且他没地方去 (Solo Avengers #2, 1988) >与巴尼重逢，得知巴尼要离开马戏团前去参军，拒绝与巴尼一起，太晚到达公交站以至于在他说再见前巴尼已经离开 (Hawkeye #4, 2004) >被骗加入Trickshot的组织Marko作为后援，与Marko的警卫对峙，严重的伤害了巴尼并反过来被他伤害，拒绝抛弃巴尼，与Trickshot在巴尼的命运上对峙，被Trickshot打败，Trickshot威胁直到他成长为值得被杀掉时就会杀掉他，把巴尼送到医院，逃跑 (Solo Avengers #2/Hawkeye #5, 1988/2004) >加入Tiboldt马戏团，被纹身夫人（Tattooed lady）Eden操纵和诱惑，发现Eden和艺术盗贼与杀人犯首领（Ringmaster）交易的证据，开始在行动中使用紫色制服，对抗Eden (Hawkeye #7-8, 2004) >加入康尼岛杂技团之后穿回旧的鹿皮制服，无意间遇到了Pepper Potts (Iron Man: The Iron Age #1, 1998) >从台球游戏中骗走了温尼的钱，随后新闻报道了复仇者的成立【注：两件事的先后顺序我没搞清反正就是这两件事@_@】(Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes #1, 2005) >在看到钢铁侠的所作所为后开始嫉妒他，决定成为一名超级英雄，制作特别的弓和箭作为武器&新的紫色和蓝色制服，巡逻城市，挫败了一起珠宝盗窃，被警察错误当成窃贼，逃跑，被黑寡妇控制和引诱，用黑寡妇提供的科技增强了他的弓和箭，为了她的利益攻击钢铁侠，在打斗中不小心伤害了黑寡妇，他的注意力在于带她寻找医疗救助而不是了结坠落中的钢铁侠(Tales of Suspense #57, 1964) >作为黑寡妇的代理人，VS蜘蛛侠，在尝试抢劫威廉姆斯创新（公司）时恐吓西蒙·威廉姆斯 (Untold Tales of Spider-Man #17, 1997) >入侵斯塔克工厂寻找新武器方案，抓了Pepper Potts作为人质，VS钢铁侠，逃脱(Tales of Suspense #60, 1964) >测试了新的酸性箭头，和黑寡妇碰头，勉强重新加入她对抗钢铁侠的活动，帮助她诱拐了Happy Hogan & Pepper Potts，和黑寡妇并肩作战，VS钢铁侠，几乎赢了但为救助坠落的黑寡妇而撤出战斗(Tales of Suspense #64, 1965) >从歹徒手中救回了Edwin Jarvis和他妈妈，被Jarvis以朋友相待，被Jarvis鼓励应该追求更好的东西而不是过着罪犯的生活(Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes #5, 2005) >在黑寡妇的俄罗斯主人试图干掉她之后带她去医院(Avengers #16/Marvel: Heroes & Legends ’97, 1965/1997) >被Jarvis跟踪到他的布鲁克林巢穴，造出了bolo箭头，告诉Javis他在用从毒品贩子手中偷来的钱来让Tinkerer给他制造定制的箭头，因为对付知名罪犯而被Javis斥责，和Javis争论他是否可以找到更好的生活 (Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes #6, 2005) 【译者注：老贾怎么这么萌啊救命，老贾念他不是因为他用了偷来的钱而是觉得他自己对付那些犯人很危险吧><~】 >带着Javis策划了闯入复仇者大厦来向复仇者展示他的能力&申请加入团队，被赦免了过去的犯罪行为&成为了复仇者的成员，和猩红女巫调情&和快银吵架，怀疑美国队长的领导地位的正当性 (Avengers #16/Avengers#280/Marvels #2/Marvel: Heroes & Legends ‘97/Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes #7-8, 1965/1987/1994/1997/2005) >和复仇者一起，对抗反对者，蔑视Bugle日报那些对复仇者新成员的消极报道，箭技给快银留下了深刻印象，打败了放射人（Radioactive Man） (Thunderbolts #9, 1997) >开始挑战美国队长的领导地位，开始在娱乐室训练，和复仇者一起，试图定位浩克时对抗了鼹鼠人（Mole Man）的强袭(Avengers #17, 1965) >在条子酒吧里瞎混来了解警察（？）【注：原文是“hung out in cop bar getting to know policemen”对这种行为完全理解无能……】 (War Machine #7, 1994) >和快银&猩红女巫并肩作战，在Thor寻求复仇者帮助时见到他，Thor因为无法忍受他们年轻气盛的傲慢而离开(Journey into Mystery #120, 1965) >测试无重力超音速的振荡箭头，和复仇者一起对抗Commissar (Avengers #18, 1965) >和复仇者一起，参加惊奇先生（Mister Fantastic）和隐形女孩（Invisible Girl）的婚礼，和其他英雄并肩作战，VS眼镜蛇（Cobra），女巫（Enchantress），刽子手（Executioner），海德先生（Mister Hyde）和其他恶棍，从黑暗骑士/Nathaniel Garrett手中救出了摄影记者Phil Sheldon，被小蜘蛛保护而免遭伤害 (Fantastic Four Annual #3/Marvel: Heroes & Legends 1996/Marvels #2, 1966/1996/1994) >多次和美国队长争吵(Avengers #145/West Coast Avengers #4/Avengers #280, 1976/1984/1987) >和复仇者们一起对抗Swordsman，被发现Swordsman是他成为罪犯前的导师，抓获小偷，在Swordsman加入复仇者时不情愿的和他并肩作战，在Swordsman暴露双重身份时把他赶了出去(Avengers #19-20, 1965) >复仇者被Power Man/Erik Josten & Enchantress诬陷为罪犯，队伍被迫解散，不成功的搜索工作，和快银&猩红女巫并肩作战，对抗马戏团的犯罪，被马戏团诬陷为劫匪，帮助美国队长明确队伍的名字&对抗 Power Man & Enchantress (Avengers #21-22/Marvels #3, 1965/1994) >和复仇者们一起对抗Kang (Avengers #23-24, 1965) >意识到自己令人生厌的行为逐渐影响他在团队中的参与，和复仇者一起对抗末日博士（Doctor Doom），打败末日后嘲笑他 (Avengers #25, 1965) >美国队长训练他并被他当做导师，尽管他们最初总在争吵，但他们的关系在此基础上渐渐向前发展 (Avengers #145/Captain America #301, 1976/1985) 【注：反正大意是初始好感度虽然低但也在不断加分……原文是“on ongoing basis despite their initially fractious relationship”如果我理解错了请别打脸QVQ】 >听说了美队的战争故事，得知了Bucky的死亡(Tales of Suspense #72, 1965)

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Cory's MK Reading Guide

TLDR A selection of pre-volume one, all of volume one, some 2006-2009, some 2014, all of Lemire/2016 and MacKay/2021.

Big shoutout to the subreddit's organization. Here's their reading list, collected editions, and their big spreadsheet of appearances.

There are currently 4 omnibuses with a 5th on the way in Spring 2024. The omnis are: part 1 and 2 of the original volume 1 (including the initial Werewolf By Night, team ups, and solos), part 1 of MS: MK, and 2006-2009.The second half of MS: MK gets its omni in Spring 2024.

Or if Epic Collections are your speed/budget, there's those. 21st century comics have their trade paperbacks/collections as well.