"when aziraphale asks for help in s3 crowley will refuse him" have you SEEN the show?? have you ever in your life watched good omens?? that mf will JUMP on any opportunity even the smallest one to be close to aziraphale again he would drink gallons of holy water if aziraphale asked him to!! that bitch will be up there in heaven THE MILLISECOND he even thinks something is wrong don't be ridiculous
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Does Crowley actually destroy the "bad" plants?
I think not!
Neil Gaiman notably suggested once that he makes the shredder noise to frighten the plants, then sneaks the plant with leaf spots out and gives it to the old lady downstairs.
However, this was just in response to a question asking what could be told to a child who was upset by the scene, and so could not be considered canon. It does seem in character, but trying to be mindful of not headcanonning Crowley into too much of a meow-meow, I was prepared to believe either possibility.
But then, I was reading the book. And though much of the scene in the show was taken line for line, in the book it doesn't say he shreds the plants, or that the sound of a shredder is heard, or anything like that. It says he leaves the flat with the offending plant, and returns an hour or so later with an empty pot.
About the right amount of time to pop downstairs, have a chat and a cup of tea, and re-pot a plant, wouldn't you say? Hmmmmmmm.
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y’all I’ve been playing chapter 4 and- (spoilers IG)
Crowley gave MC a phone to contact him for emergencies and then just proceeded to turn his phone off??? While they’re basically being held against their will in Scarabia???
reason number infinity of why I’d make a shitty MC is id be putting magic toaster in bathtub way before this 😭😭😭
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I do gotta say tho, even tho I’m mad at aziraphale because he’s being a terrible boyfriend like what you said about the “I forgive you like” because WHAT. But also I really like the way the show really demonstrates the underlying cruelty of heaven and it’s angels. Really shows the hypocrisy of a group of beings who are supposed to do good, especially aziraphale who really buys into the heaven propaganda, who hurts people, particularly the person who means the most to him. Because like you said he fully just takes advantage of that devotion Crowley has for him. Insane, this shwo makes me INSANE
I missed this anon and yeah! The angels were one of my favourite parts of the season, and I think the strongest element aside from Neil Gaiman deciding he's just a simple man who wants to put his otp in situations. They are deeply awful and I kind of love them. They are the exact kind of moralizing hypocrites who are callous and cruel precisely because they think being on team good means everything they do is justified and it's actually impossible for them to be in the wrong (they're angels! is it even possible for them to do the wrong thing?).
but!! To me, they also seem like they're basically kids? Obviously they're not literally children, but there is this very consistent reoccurring joke about how childish/sheltered/immature they are. Muriel is the most obvious example, but the archangels come off like bratty twelve year olds to her sweet little kid.
Gabriel is basically teenager in love flipping off his family as he runs away with his backstreet guy. Uriel is constantly picking at Michael, Michael is playing at being in charge like it's a game, and it's ridiculously easy for both Aziraphale and Crowely to trick them obvious half assed lies. They're not allowed to ask questions! The Metatron treats them like badly behaved kids out past their curfew. At any point an old man with a beard may pop up to scold them and send them home, and they're all scared of doing something wrong by his standards and getting in trouble with this guy who is pointedly not God but who lines up exactly with the pop-culture idea of god the father, and who offers Aziraphale, among other things, a respite from the hard work of figuring out what the right thing to do is for himself. It's fine! You don't have to question the belief system you were born into or make a painful break with everything you've ever known! Aziraphale has had six thousand years on earth to grow up, but the other angels have been sitting in a sterile white box playing "i'm not touching you" games with each other and filing paperwork.
And I think that's extra interesting because this season also really emphasizes:
Heaven has Institutional Problems
Aziraphale isn't the only angel who's unhappy in heaven. Gabriel and Muriel were both completely miserable. They just didn't understand that they were unhappy because they'd never experienced anything else.
Angels who aren't Aziraphale can change and grow! There's very explicitly Gabriel being changed by love and Muriel growing up a bit on earth, and from a more fan-theory angle there's also Jimbriel, who I think is probably basically Gabriel minus the war and six thousand years of playing referee for Michael and Uriel while unleashing an assortment of plague and calamities on earth because that's God's will! Buck up champ.
We also get Gabriel and Beezelebub talking about how their underlings basically live for Armageddon, "if you can call that living." This is so bleak. They've all been on a six thousand year time out just dreaming of the day they get to beat the shit out of each other until they feel better, but it won't work because eternity is just more of the box.
Anyway I think it's going in a distinctly eden adjacent direction. Aziraphale is going to tempt those angels with knowledge and the capacity for change. I have veered so far from your ask anon i'm sorry you're right heaven really went all out on sucking this season & while Crowley and Aziraphale are both fucking it up Crowley refrains from being spectacularly cruel to Aziraphale about it and Aziraphale should learn to return the favour. I forgive you!! I forGIVE you. I forgive YOU. "you can be an angel again" is actually a worse thing to say than "you're a demon. i don't even like you." when he finally picks crowley over heaven i'm going to lose my mind.
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Sorry if Muriels face is lopsided and weird, I've never drawn her before, but I'm dying to see her in S2 she looks so precious, 😫❤️. I had to draw this scene I randomly thought of while sketching zira and crow crow. I can completely see crowley and zira being checked on by muriel but, Maybe she just happens to walk in on a moment a conversation they were having.
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I can't possibly be mad at Aziraphale because
1. I love him,
2. This has always felt like a fanfic to me and while there are fix-it fanfics or 'Here's what I think happens' ones, there are also ones where we say 'This is an emotional turmoil we need to go through for the catharsis in our stifled lives' and this feels like that to me, like if we changed just one thing and made this character just a little more afraid, they would mess up and then they'd have to face a whole lot of things that are buried deep down and maybe digging up some dirt can help me discover something just like Aziraphale's gonna discover a whole hell of a lot, and maybe 'my' angel would never do this, but if he did....
and 3. He's been through 6,000 years of trauma and gaslit the WHOLE time and I simply don't know what that feels like, but I DO know the thoughts that go through my head when I'm as inconvenienced as someone having the bass of their music up too loud while I'm trying to sleep, hoo boy I am not a perfect person, so I'm aware of peoples' flaws and I think I should prooobably be a bit more forgiving of them XP
I think he is very entitled to one MAJOR fuckup. Six thousand years, I mean MAJOR. Annnnd the problem with that is that he has SO much more power than he realizes, so it iiiiis a big one.......
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I am in considerations for watching good omen season 2. I liked season 1, it was fun. I know lots about s2 tumblr is noisy about it. People seem to really dislike Aziraphale, or sometimes he is just an object for Crowley joy, so maybe he is bad in s2. Maybe it is lots about all the wonderful things about Crowley and not about the nice things about Aziraphale. ANXIETY. Maybe I will reread the book instead. That will be much nicer I think. Way less anxiety.
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Good Omens struck me as a serious enough book at first but then you run into descriptions such as (paraphrasing here) “a flaming twisted metal lemon from hell” as a description of a car on fire, “a sound like that of a thousand glass harmonicas all being played off key” for a whine and “like in scifi movies when a massive space ship flies at light speed and all the stars stretch out but not like that at all” when describing a motorcycle flying
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