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rainbowsky · 1 year
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Hi R 🌈
I recently discovered an crazy theory about GGDD dating during DD days with uniq which completely blown my mind to be honest. Is there any CPN's behind this rumor or is it just an another fanfiction. As much as I'm convinced that BJYXSZD GGDD dating during Dad's idol days kind look far fetched to me.
Have a nice day rain ლ(・﹏・ლ)
Hi Anon!
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Ah, you've stumbled across The Devil's Timeline, an interesting and often controversial theory that's been a part of the fandom for a very long time...
Fake, fan fiction, CPN.
Before I Start
There are some really aggressive people who always respond to these types of discussions in a hateful way, because of the implications of GG dating a younger DD (for example, in 2016 DD would have been 18-19 and GG would have been 24-25). It's called 'The Devil's Timeline' for a reason. If you don't like it, DON'T READ. It's really that simple.
And frankly, if you think it's crazy, outrageous and wrong for an 18 year old to be dating a 24 year old, you're not living in the real world. This is not an unusual age gap, especially between men.
Ultimately this is clowning and CPN. Not meant to be taken seriously.
Any adversarial anons will be blocked.
So What's the Theory?
Basically the theory is that GG and DD have been together for a lot longer than the generally accepted fan canon (fan canon tends to revolve around the idea that they got together during or shortly after filming The Untamed).
The Devil's Timeline doesn't have any specific set dates/times. It encompasses any timeline where GG and DD started dating prior to filming. Some people feel they might have met and started dating as far back as mid-2015, others think it happened between the 2017 DDU episode and CQL filming. So a timeline such as the one I wrote a couple of years ago would fall under The Devil's Timeline just as much as ones that claim they got together in 2015.
What's the Evidence?
As far-fetched as it might seem, there are some 'coincidences' and signs that point to the possibility that GG and DD might have met a lot earlier than the widely accepted '2017 DDU episode' meeting. There have also been fake rumors and whispers about them being together a lot longer than they claim.
For a bit of background on this theory - @accio-victuuri wrote a post detailing some of the clues, and there's also a post from @p-h03n1-x talking about some interesting posts on DD's birthday in 2016.
I know I've seen other tidbits here and there over the years, and in a perfect world I'd dig for it all and put together my own comprehensive post on this, but my drafts folder just can't take another big project.
If you look at their behavior toward each other at the booting ceremony, prior to filming, and then you look at the table read and early filming, they went from 'complete and total strangers' to being very familiar with each other almost overnight. While their natural compatibility and unique rapport make it believable that they'd be quickly very comfortable with one another, that's just a bit too quick even with compatibility as extreme as theirs.
Another thing that keeps me going back to this theory again and again is their behavior both in the 2017 DDU episode and at the booting ceremony for The Untamed. Now that I'm familiar with them and how they act in various situations, their demeanour in both situations seems a bit 👀 to me. Unnatural for them.
What it reminds me a lot of - particularly the booting ceremony behavior - is their behavior during Weibo night, when they appeared to be consciously avoiding interacting with each other (you can read about why here). That tension and overcompensating 'I'm not looking over there' kind of attitude.
In most situations where 'strangers' are put into proximity with one another - even 'acquaintances' who are not deeply connected with one another - there is some amount of totally normal, totally natural human curiosity. The other person is treated as a presence in the room that would naturally draw the eye from time to time.
Not so with GG and DD during the booting ceremony. They were an artificial amount of 'detached' from one another. Standing right next to each other and not even exchanging polite words. Even when they're both struggling with the red silk, they don't exchange any words or glances.
It comes across to me as very odd behavior, especially from them. They're both SO POLITE around others, especially someone they're going to be working closely with. Their normal, natural response in a situation like that would be to look at the other person, reassure and assist them. Not here. They act like the other person isn't even standing there. Not normal behavior IMHO.
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And compare that with Weibo Night. Their behavior has the same flavor, at least it does to me.
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CQL booting ceremony vs Weibo night: same energy.
Here's a video of the entire Weibo Night event. You can browse through to see how they were behaving toward each other. One example is at 1:41:30 when they go onstage to receive an award. There are also a lot of fancams from that night, you can browse around YouTube if you're curious.
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During the DDU episode it's a lot harder to determine their demeanour toward each other because there's so much going on, so many other people around and the camera angles keep shifting, but there were a couple of things that caught my eye.
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For one, notice at 27:00 when they're tiptoeing over the bamboo canes, when Wu Jiacheng crosses the canes he immediately steps back to the XNINE corner, while when GG crosses moments later, he naturally gravitates over to where DD is standing. 🤔
It's an automatic thing. Most people will gravitate to where they feel most comfortable in a room, just like when returning to the main area of a busy party after using the bathroom most people will head over to where their close friends or partner/spouse are standing. So in this case it's interesting that GG seems unconsciously more comfortable on DD's side of the stage than with his bandmates, even though standing over by DD means standing with the hosts of the show, which most people would feel incredibly uncomfortable doing.
Then at 32:00, when they're discussing the calligraphy tablets, GG and DD are standing next to each other in several shots. Maybe it's confirmation bias on my part, but they do not look like strangers in those shots. I can't point to any particular reason why.
And please take a moment at 4:52 to admire the adorkable way GG is frolicking while the rest of the boys are running. 🥹
Do I Believe It?
Although I go back and forth between popular canon theory (they got together during filming) and some form of The Devil's Timeline, in reality most of the time I see them as having been together long before filming. To me it's the best explanation for some of the inconsistencies we've seen, some of the behavior we've seen, etc.
You can check out my (very old, outdated) timeline post here. I make it pretty clear there that I think that they were together or at least well-acquainted with each other before filming. But given some of the BTS we've seen (and their married level of familiarity), I think it's possible or maybe even likely that they were together even earlier than what I claimed in that post.
How early? Maybe 2016. The DD's birthday posts are pretty interesting. A 20:23 kadian thanking for receiving some presents, on his birthday? 👀
And I do think the theory that they met 6/22 at a Uniq fanmeet* is an interesting one. Let's face it - 6/22 means something special to them. We know it. Could it be the day they met? It would fit.
*The rumor is that GG went to a fan meet in Guangzhou because he wanted to learn more about idols before going on XFIRE. That would have been in 2015, a couple months before XFIRE started, but I have not personally seen confirmation that such a fan meet happened on that day in that location (or that GG attended).
At the very least I think they were well-aquainted/dating between the 2017 DDU episode and CQL filming.
But I try not to restrict myself to any one particular theory. Ultimately we don't know, so why not explore different possibilities? I think it's interesting to view elements of their history through multiple different lenses, and see how those perspectives impact interpretation. I did this with my Japan trip post a while back. Since we'll probably never know for sure how or when it all started for them, why limit ourselves?
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truly-sincerely · 2 months
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Even More Comprehensive BG3 Timeline
(Now with citations!) Years in (paren) are confirmed, all other lines are approximations. For my own sanity this timeline is based on available in-game information and not the Forgotten Realms at large.
1450s
Enver Flymm born
Gale Dekarios born (1457)
Enver Flymm sold to Raphael by his parents, renamed Gortash
Gortash learns about Crown of Karsus while a prisoner of Raphael
1460s
Karlach Cliffgate born
Gortash escapes the House of Hope
Gale Dekarios summons Tara the Tressym (1467)
Wyll Ravengard born (1468)
1470s
Lae’zel of K’liir born (1470)
Gortash in his Heapside Reavers period
Gortash rebrands as a black market arms dealer
Orin the Red born to Helena and Sarevok Anchev
Durge begins their serial killing spree in Baldur’s Gate (1477)
The Emperor dominates Duke Belynne Stelmane (1479)
1480s
Elminster resurrects Mystra (1480)
Gortash trades Karlach to Zariel for infernal machines & iron (1482)
Baldur’s Gate’s Beloved Ranger statue goes missing (1482)
Duke Abdel Adrian murdered during Returning Day speech (1482) - Bhaal resurrected - Ulder Ravengard replaces Adrian as Grand Duke
Orin kills her mother Helena in self-defense
Gortash recruits Franc Peartree to distribute infernal iron weapons
Gortash establishes a cult of Bane in Baldur’s Gate
Gortash approaches Durge about an alliance
Gortash moves against the Zhentarim & Knights of the Shield
Wyll Ravengard pact with Mizora, leaves Baldur’s Gate (1485)
Dead Three made aware of the Crown of Karsus (most likely informed by Gortash)* - Gortash becomes Bane’s Chosen - Durge becomes Bhaal’s chosen - Gortash & Durge are instructed to recruit Ketheric
Gortash tells Durge about Crown of Karsus (via correspondence)
Hall of Wonders test mission* - Durge gets Bhaalist memorabilia - Gortash gets a bunch of Gondian designs - Durge & Gortash get companionship
1490s
The Chosen visit Ketheric at Moonrise, learn about Illithid colony
Gortash & Durge visit the House of Hope (for intel on Mephistar?)
Gortash & Durge raid Mephistar - They get the Crown of Karsus - They get the book on the accelerated grand design
Gortash captures the Emperor
Gortash & Durge return to Moonrise - Their identities are kept secret from Ketheric’s people - Durge impresses the Moonrise Gnolls, but not Steelclaw - Ketheric yells at Durge in the throne room for an unknown reason
Durge proposes their plan to the Elder Brain who accepts
Raid on the illithid colony (1491) - Durge puts the Crown on the Elder Brain - Orin gets Durge alone during the raid & stabs them in the head - Orin tadpoles Durge, making them the first True Soul - Orin leave Durge in a pod - Orin declares herself the Chosen of Bhaal
1492
Durge breaks out of the pod & is found by Kressa Bonedaughter
Minsc captured by Absolutists at a recruitment rally in the Undercity
Gortash gets weird and intense with unethical experiments - Some futzing to get the tadpoles to consistently remain in stasis - This is when the name ‘True Souls’ gets coined - Extremely questionable fun with brains - Getting the Absolute’s voice sorted out - Tadpoling his parents - Poorly conceived experiments on children & their parents
Gortash has Iron Throne converted to hold hostages
Gortash presents prototype Steel Watcher to the city council
Jaheira tracks cult to shadow-cursed land, meets Isobel
Minthara Baenre is recruited by Orin and Ketheric
The Descent, Elturel falls into Avernus happens
Guild Bursar Uktar launders money for Gortash’s Campaign funds
Isobel is resurrected by the Dead Three
The Elder Brain sends the Chosen dreams about the Astral Prism
Gortash researches the Prism, finds out that Vlaakith has it
Gortash tasks Ketheric with sending a team to get the Astral Prism - They send a nautiloid piloted by the Emperor and other illithid - The Elder Brain lets the Emperor slip its leash - Magthew Budj arranges for Durge to be on the nautiloid as well
Gortash deploys Steel Watch in Lower/Outer City
At this point Elturel is no longer in Avernus
First Druid Halsin captured by goblins
Nautiloid picks up Shadowheart & the Prism from Astral Plane
Nautiloid picks up Lae’zel
Nautiloid goes to Baldur’s Gate, picks up Gale & Astarion
Nautiloid goes to Avernus, picks up Karlach & Wyll
Nautiloid crashes, (20 Eleasis, 1492)
Some helpful links:
A page from Sarevok’s book: Sarevok - (Murder tribunal)
Accelerated Grand Design: Gortash - 
An Offer: Gortash - (Peartree basement)
Aquatic Labor: Gortash - (Flymm’s Cargo Basement)
Baldur’s Gate Temple of Bhaal: Yanthus - (Gortash’s Office)
Balthazar’s Notes: Balthazar - (Necrotic laboratory)
Clasped Book: Balthazar - (Balthazar’s chambers)
Devil’s Fee Observer’s Report**: Himberloo - (Nine-Fingers’ office)
Elder Brain Domination: Ketheric/Yanthus - (Ketheric’s Room)
Enhanced Weapons - Sales Ledger: Peartree - (Peartree basement)
Experiment on Cruor: Orin - (Temple of Bhaal)
How To Build a Watcher: deceased Gondian - (Steel Watch foundry) 
Journal of Enver Gortash: Gortash - (Gortash’s Office)
Magical Histories: Volume 2: The Spellplague: unknown - (Sorcerous Sundries)
Memoir Notes with Recent Addenda: Gortash - (Gortash’s office)
Missive from Gortash: Gortash - (Ketheric’s room)
Missive from Ketheric: Ketheric - (Moonrise, 2nd floor)
Mistress of Souls’ Research Log: Kressa - (Mind flayer barracks)
My Gratitude: Gortash - To Peartree (Peartree basement)
Next Steps: Gortash - (Gortash’s office)
Prayer for Forgiveness: Durge - (Necrotic laboratory)
Scrapbook of Letters: Gortash/Durge - (Flymm’s Cobblers)
Special Operations - Infernal Arms: Uktar - 
Studies of the Elder Brains: Gortash/Yanthus - (Gortash’s Office)
Suspended Ceremorphosis: Gortash/Yanthus - (Tadpoling center)
Test Mission with Gortash: Durge - (Temple of Bhaal)
The Astral Prism Heist: Gortash - (Gortash’s office)
The Dukes of Baldur’s Gate: unknown - (Baldur’s Mouth/Peartree’s house)
The Grand Design: Gortash/Yanthus - (Mind flayer colony)
The True Life of ‘Lord’ Gortash: a skeleton - (Wyrm’s Rock Prison)
The Ultimate State: Gortash - (Gortash’s office/Flymm’s Cobblers)
*an in-game contradiction between Gortash and Durge. See: ‘Test Mission with Gortash’ and ‘Memoir Notes with Recent Addenda’. I’ve placed it after, but there’s also a legitimate argument to be made that Gortash and Durge met and became allies much earlier, possibly around the same time as Gortash’s betrayal of Karlach
**no link cuz the bg3.wiki doesn’t have it??
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whatsfourteenupto · 8 days
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I know we all laugh at Fourteen and Donna screwballing the universe and then immediately tapping out of the storyline in favor of oops-not-vegan casseroles in the backyard but
What was Fourteen up to during the Devil’s Chord? What were any of the previous Doctors up to? We saw with Mavity that they’re at least somewhat aware of changes in the time stream. Did Maestro change things so dramatically that the Doctor had never fallen in love with Earth in the first place? Or did Fourteen blink and open his eyes to find the Earth he knew, the one they’d been slowly learning to live and rest in day by day, gone? Changed irrevocably, Donna, Rose, YazRoryAmyWilfGrahamBillRoseallofthem maybe never even born? Blink again and they’re all back, unaware that it’s even happened? The panic that could have brought, as he realizes that they’ve surrendered the mantle to his new self, and trusted themselves to keep the universe spinning, but now that means he’s helpless. If their future self fucks up, they’re irrevocably screwed too. No way to find out what’s going on, nothing they can do, their entire timeline relying on a version of them they barely know.
Alternatively, Fourteen blinking, seeing London in flames, finding a nice hunk of broken concrete to sit down on, and sighing impatiently as they wait for himself to hurry up and fucking fix it so they can finish beating Rose at Uno
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humijpg · 9 days
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"We were on a case and you got turned into a giant monster with electromagnetic powers..."
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i hope kendrick kills that man
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98chao · 10 months
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yall i drew these back in may when i finished the devils playhouse and just forgot to post them so im doing that now
also obligatory shitpost:
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lilybug-02 · 1 month
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Sorry about the (very long) delay, I was seeing if I could get all 4 breads in a single message-
Anyway, 3 breads are now in desktoptale! Again, sorry.
Fairy bread.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/xdbmvjfeifzu1whkls9kh/AG8DX87QEn2haulNYTGl37I?rlkey=5tnu4buqi3lx3te9btj2bzqt3&st=rjr25q31&dl=0
Base/Lily bread.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/pgna9wrkjjhhdl13cq3b3/AMwcm2ZwmzfhIyVzRn0tZw0?rlkey=afp8lrzwb2cuj0uvaknzp7oj7&st=xh7mc1wf&dl=0
And Moldycepts bread!
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/b9s0mpmmcjz4kttyq9gtb/ABnfB9HLupGc8PBiHsscD5M?rlkey=djzn88q2yjkhhwqys7cfoeph6&st=t8o2rilf&dl=0
Finally, ultimate power! CT Chara & Asriel with Bread!
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thn;fas{h}:;][onwt;pd\ripoeuaeahewthn;fas{h}:;][onwt;pd\ripoe:;][onwt;pd\ripoeuawthn;fas;pd\ 🌈☀️🌈☀️🌈☀️🌈 🎨👾 🎨 👾🎨👾🎨 OH MY GOODNESS!!!!! 🥖🦄🧚‍♀️🫓🎉
THEY ARE ON MY SCREEN.
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They are all very close friends now. Chara and Asriel Sprites by the same coder :DDD with @ejsuperstar being the artist.
available through -> (desktoptale)
Im gonna cry. These are so so so cool. Thank you for taking the time out of your day to make these. I'm showing my family and friends. I'll put the link to these in my pinned post!!! Because oh my god YES.
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kingbuffy · 5 months
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I REALLY like the hc that Nero was born on the very night Temen-ni-gru happened. It's one of those unintentional yet thematically perfect cycles. Like. Temen-ni-gru represents Dante and Vergil's neverending stasis of hatred and love for one another. They on their own can't move on even if they want to because of their own stubbornness and misunderstanding of eachother. And yet, (hc in place) that same night a boy is born who will be the only one to bring them together like they've always longed for. And they don't even know it. Dante and Vergil have no idea that on the night where everything fell apart seemingly for good, a person just came into the world who will change everything.
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esteemed-excellency · 3 months
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vacuum cleaners: canon ✅️
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midnightkolrath · 8 months
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ALRIGHT THEORY TIME BASED ON WHAT I'VE GLANCED AT WITH THE ANIME TEASER
The anime looks like it it COULD be taking place pre-DMC1 and taking from the novel and being a retelling of it to better align with the canon timeline completely
Based on these screens of the teaser, the pistols Dante are holding don't look to be Ebony and Ivory but regular pistols instead
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Which implies the DMC1 novel retelling route...which would make sense too because while traits of the novel ARE canon, there's not a complete and clear story for it that's also accessible for most audiences (as, iirc the novel was only in japanese and translations exist...DMC5 has done a solid job highlighting the main things from it though like Nell goldstien and such), SO this would be the PERFECT opportunity for a complete retelling of Dante's time as a young mercenary while also taking from the DMC3 manga as well juuust abit if Vergil and Lady are being involved as well according to discussion there.
Itsuno is also confirmed to be supervising, so it looks like we're probably getting that part of the timeline ironed out. :' )
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rainbowsky · 1 year
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Hello! Wish you to have a wonderful mood :) I have a mood for theories, so question is about that.
If you believe that they got together even before shooting the Untamed, isn't it sounds like a miracle that web character traits were so similar to Lan Wangi?
Like, ok, I can see that when xz was given a role he could recommend his boyfriend to be casted as Lan Wangi, since he is an actor too. But what are the chances that they would cast his bf AND he would be famous for his cold appearence to stranges and being very quiet, speaking very few? Because I think that's the main reason he got casted on a role, because he had this in him. In the interview it was said, that they saw Lan Wangi in him, it was his character.
Especially it would sound like a miracle if he got Lan Wangi role and they didn't know those two were dating.
I just think that they really didn't talk much after DDU, as they said, and got to know each other on set. Things like this happen in life and it certanly sounds more realistic to me.
So what do you think?
Hi Yaqay, what a nice sentiment - thanks so much, I wish for you to have a wonderful mood as well! 💖
Fake, fan fiction, CPN.
I love digging into theories, and I'm always interested in looking at things from a different perspective. Yours is an interesting one, but I admit I don't quite follow the logic here.
For readers who are unfamiliar with my thoughts on timeline, here are a couple of posts you might want to read before going any further:
Timeline of a Relationship
The Devil’s Timeline
If I'm correctly following what you're saying, here, your basic premise is that it would be wildly unusual and a deeply unlikely coincidence for DD to be so well suited for the role of Lan Wangji and to be cast in that role while also dating the man who was cast as Wei Wuxian. Much more unlikely than them both being cast in those roles because they were suited to them, and later getting romantically involved with each other. There's no way they could have been cast opposite each other without production knowing they were a couple.
Here are some of my thoughts on that:
While GG was basically handpicked for the role of WWX, there is no evidence to suggest that DD was recommended (by GG or anyone else) for the role of LWJ, or had applied for the role of LWJ specifically. All we know is that he submitted a photo during casting. It's possible he was being considered for other roles. His photo had been passed over a couple of times before they decided to bring him in for an audition. At that time all the roles had been filled except LWJ. When the producer saw him in person she immediately thought he'd be perfect for the role.
If - IF - DD was recommended by GG (or anyone else) for the role of Lan Wangji (and I really don't buy that theory - I think it would be more likely that they just wanted to work together on a queer production, regardless of their roles) he might have been recommended for that role because of the sense that DD would make a good LWJ, not just because he was GG's BF.
They would have been looking for someone who was very beautiful, cold and reserved. While DD is definitely all of those things on first impression, those are by no means his only traits (he can be a lewd, crass, hilarious gremlin, for example). It's just fortunate that his demeanour when meeting someone new - particularly in a formal setting - is very polite, obedient and reserved. It gave the producer an immediate taste of that side of his personality, which was suitable for LWJ. And of course DD is definitely A JADE. So beautiful. The photo sent in by his team was wildly unsuitable for LWJ, which was probably the biggest reason he wasn't taken seriously for the role at first.
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I strongly disagree with the notion that production would have had any idea they were dating. GG and DD are quite good at pretending not to know each other - we've seen this with our own eyes. I'm not sure why you'd think they'd out themselves to strangers, or let the nature of their relationship be known to people who were considering hiring them. Queer people are exceptionally skilled at hiding their queerness, their relationships, etc. as a matter of survival. That has to be even more true for queer celebrities in a country like China. Even in a queer-friendly production such as the one I believe The Untamed was, no one's going to just barge in and let it all hang out on the first day. Those relationships of trust are built up over time. In the early stages, even if a team was rumored to be queer friendly, everyone would have been very cautious and reserved until they knew for sure.
There are also reasons why the idea they 'got to know each other and fell in love on set' just doesn't hold a lot of water for me. I've talked about that in some detail in the two posts I linked above, so I won't go into it all again.
I think it would be much more unlikely of a coincidence for two shy, 'slow-starting' guys like GG and DD to go from complete strangers to being joined at the hip (and in their own little world with their own language/rapport that's practically incomprehensible to others) within days of meeting, than for a couple of talented actors who are dating and want to work on a queer production together to be hired for the leading roles and do a good job.
But we'll never know for sure, so everyone should feel free to speculate and theorize and come up with their own take on things. As I've said before, there's no need to marry ourselves to one theory. It's fun to consider all angles.
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brainyrot · 9 months
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I did a small evolution of my drawings of bends.
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demonsthirst · 14 days
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❝ eehehehe. You are also my pet. ❞ ( affectionately )
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julietsays999 · 12 days
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It's going to be a while before I am able to shut up about the Devil's Chord, but I also am so unbelievably obsessed with the return of old scores, specifically in the episode where the existence of the soundtrack within the show was acknowledged. There's the Saxon theme when the Maestro is taking over the TARDIS, and there's the Doomsday-sounding music (I know it's not identical, but I maintain it sounds similar) when the Doctor is worried about losing his blonde, somewhat Rose-coded companion (thinking about all the similarities to End of the World in Space Babies).
Like, The Devil's Chord didn't just acknowledge the existence of the theme music within the show, but also dragged all the history within the show's music into the present (/past in 1963).
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gio-scrabbles · 3 months
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BERSERKER UNLEASHED
It’s been a while since I drew Berserker Shadow (or any Shadow the Hedgehog vs the World stuff in general).He’s either fun or a pain to pose due to his four arms, but he always looks so cool, so it’s worth it!
Also, here Chaos Berserker Mode. It’s not as different, but he can glow:
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Edit: The bottom contains some lore about the Berserker Mode I took from a previous post/comic.
Berserker Mode: A dormant form of a Black Arms member/hybrid that makes the user more powerful in terms of speed, strength, and foresight as well as letting the user hone any chaos abilities, familiar and new, without the use of a chaos emerald. However, they are more prone to losing control as well as their sense of self due to its raw and unpredictable power, changing the behavior of the user to become more aggressive. As a result, the berserker form cannot be retained for too long. This form can be triggered either through any overwhelming and usually negative emotions or the presence of the Black Comet. The former being the most probable trigger.
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vinnigami · 2 months
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May I request a Dante from Devil May Cry featured in Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne? I think he, Demifiend and Raidou should hang out. Two guys hired to kill the third guy, and a cat (Gouto)
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ok i’ll be completely honest i don’t know this guy i played chronicles. he mentioned geishas, i think? does he like women
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