#discourse from twitter

[dontcryminecraft]

tell me whey i'm seeing legit twitter discourse over fucking q!tubbo and fred????? like seriously i saw a tweet actually mad at q!tubbo for "pushing his crush" on fred while fred is in the midst of essentially a crisis???? ABOUT A TWEET CC!TUBBO POSTED ASKING IF HE AND FRED COULD BE LIKE THE ROBOTS FROM WALL-E.

Look, i'm not caught up on lore right now, and I have a lot of catching up to do about q!tubbo and fred's relationship evolve over time, from what ive seen of their relationship this is a very cute story line tbh. q!tubbo falling for a federation worker and introducing him to what it means to be human. like that's adorable!!!! I love this little love story going on right now!

First of all- the tweet isn't canon. Fred the Character isn't going to see this EVER. it's just cc!tubbo memeing about his story line right now. Secondly- IN CANON, q!tubbo has been very respectful to Fred. Fred found out about the crush when q!Bagi told him, and when he expressed discomfort q!tubbo immediately apologized and felt awful. He is prioritizing Fred's feelings! If q!tubbo was pushing his crush, he wouldn't have done those things. q!tubbo wasn't even rejected! Fred is just unsure about what feelings are, but still thinks q!tubbo is very important to him. Just because q!tubbo talks about Fred and his crush by himself/to chat and cheers when he finds out Fred is his age (roughly) -again- BY HIMSELF, doesn't mean that he is being disrespectful. What is important is how he treats Fred, and he's been nothing but kind to Fred and hasn't pushed anything. Besides, navigating a crush is hard (i've heard lol) and he isn't being rude, he's being awkward. He's being normal, actually.

#ahyes an original post #mcyt #qsmp #q!tubbo #tubbo #fred the federation worker #qsmp fred #qsmp tubbo #frubbo #mcyt discourse #discourse from twitter #sorry i just fucking hate that take i WILL defend frubbo

[ourflagmeansgayrights]

actually can we stop talking about “deserve” when it comes to characters dying in fiction. not everything is a fable with a moral lesson to be learned. romeo and juliet didn’t “deserve” to die. bambi’s mom didn’t “deserve” to die. izzy dying in the finale doesn’t mean ofmd is saying that certain types of queer people “deserve” to die. fictional death can serve more narrative purposes than just punishment for the character doing the dying.

#ofmd #our flag means death #ofmd season 2 #ofmd s2 #ofmd 2 #ofmd s2 spoilers #izzy hands #dizzy izzy #israel hands #the izcourse #txt #mine #og #s2e08 #the singular toe i will dip into the post finale discourse #saw screenshots from twitter that were essentially saying “i relate to izzy so ofmd is saying that i deserve to die” #like actually the ofmd writers don’t know you and weren’t saying anything about you. u can be sad abt izzy dying but cmon man. come on

[paracosmicessence]

this is what coming from sonadow twitter back to sonadow tumblr feels like every time

#sonadow #sonic the hedgehog #sth #sth fandom #fandom #honestly this could apply to any twitter fandom #they’re absolutely insane over there #and then everytime i go to tumblr its like :D ✨ #stg there’s a new argument each week #THE SONADOW TOP/BOTTOM DISCOURSE WAS INSANE LMAO 😭😭😭😭 #not even kidding that started over a month ago and it’s still going on #definitely gonna chill over here for a bit #trying to convince my sonic mutuals from twitter to move over here (hehehhehehehe barknbite i’ve converted you 😈)

[evilhasnever]

Common misconception, but the murder twink obsessed with revenge is actually Nie Huaisang. Jin Guangyao is a murder twink obsessed with self preservation first, Lan Xichen second, and the betterment of society through public works of infrastructure third.

#yes reposting from twitter #but relevant to recent discourse #this is worded like a joke but I am deadly serious #jin guangyao #nie huaisang #DISCLAIMER: I love them both

[etoilesbienne]

oh wait actually my real request for the qsmp fandom is this:

stop sharing bad tumblr takes to twitter. i don't care what you're reasoning is, unless its a private five follower account and youre complaining to friends, you have zero reason to be putting bad faith criticisms that were already hidden on a site barely used by cc onto the site they DO use and possibly right in front of them. we wouldn't be in this mess if people weren't reposting anon hate of all things onto twitter for some reason.

by all means, share fun analysis! share positive longform thought posts! don't share anon hate death threats being sent to other fans. stop feeding trolls. don't answer asks like that either. it just gives people the satisfaction of a reply. delete it and make them seethe and move on with your life.

#discourse #qsmp discourse #bad twitter takes should also stop being shared here ngl but thats more just an annoyance #0 reason to be putting bad tumblr anon hate on twitter tho. idc this all couldve been avoided from the start anyway

[c-rowlesdraws]

hell. Hell. We are in hell

#twitter #ai discourse #I can’t imagine anything more joyless than a chatbot trained on a book for fans of the book to get More Content from #it’s empty. the voice you loved is not speaking through that bot #also… Twitter Guy Accounts??

[yea-baiyi]

people on twitter are discoursing about whether xie lian’s chastity-based cultivation is a form of abuse (?????) which is so backward to me like huh???? yes jun wu’s thing about xie lian being a virgin is fucking creepy and weird and part of his overall obsession and desire to control him. but did they just completely miss the part where xie lian chose this method of cultivation bc the abstinence wasn’t an issue for him? he got hit by sex pollen and never once thought of sex? he didn’t even cultivate for 700 years and just never had sex because he never wanted to and as soon as he found a guy he wanted to fuck he just went for it? literally didn’t even pause to consider the cultivation thing at any point. if this were any other character it might have been used against him but the whole point is xie lian once again perfectly dodging jun wu’s manipulation attacks by just being a weird little guy with autism

#tgcf #xie lian #xianxia jesus #aroace mxtx analysis #grey ace xie lian #but also he’s so autistic the way the whole chastity thing just does not ping his radar #jun wu trying to humiliate him with the virginity detecting sword and xie lian is just embarrassed #the sex pollen was such an uno reverse because sex did not even cross his mind for a second #like yes the POINT is that jun wu was intending to manipulate him with it #but xie lian’s autistic he’s just operating on a completely different set of base assumptions #why tf would u care about sex. why do you care about whether i’ve fucked. i certainly don’t. ur fucking weird #he’s so funny the epitome of autism creature jun wu just doesn’t get it #tfw neurotypical people project emotions and hangups onto you and ur autistic ass is like ????? #why would you assume i would be upset about that #i get so much fuel for posts from twitter because they’re so batshit over there #and not in a good way #i see their discourse and im so baffled

[dhaaruni]

In other words:

Right-Wing Men: Women are private property Left-Wing Men: You're such a goddamn prude, women are PUBLIC property

#twitter #no but literally #that's all I'm learning from the Jonah Hill discourse

[shadowslocked]

If you have to willingly go out of your way to dig up problematic material on a person, some of which has been apologized for and given context, and are completely unwilling to understand how people outside the US/UK regard problematic content (example: not being aware of certain slurs or their significance) then I genuinely don’t believe you care about the issue but are trying to tear down an individual to look better

#qsmp #one thing I remember from my Colombian friend #was briefly touching on how slurs do not hold the same weight as they do in the US #it may not be right but that’s reality and getting up in arms about it won’t help anything #twitter discourse #qsmp Twitter discourse #qsmp negative #qsmp neg #twitter drama

[aroaceacacia]

hot new discourse dropped from the fiery cesspit of finnster's QRTs: finnster is morally reprehensible because, by dressing femininely, he is profiting off of the struggle of... trans... women...

#to be clear from my quick look i saw two people dropping this take; i blocked one of them before i took ss #bearvocalizations #discourse #finnster #twitter #id in alt text

[idolomantises]

talking abt that one thing in velma thats on my mind a lot for the past few days (that turned into a big incoherent rambling about gay rep in media)

i'm seeing jokes about how the queer representation in mystery inc being so much better than the queer representation in velma and honestly it makes me want to go on a whole tangent about my thoughts on queer representation nowadays vs the more subtle examples decades prior.

There's this weird debate that goes on online about what is "good" queer representation, and one of the most notable and honestly annoying examples is that queer representation has to be so subtle that you could easily miss it/ignore it. i've always hated that take because its a claim mostly said by straight people who are uncomfortable with seeing characters who are openly queer and/or state their identity, but they present it as some sort of push for subtle and nuanced writing. personally i do prefer it when a character just, identifies as how they are without explaining their identity, but that doesn't mean flat out explaining your orientation is inherently bad representation. its why i will always defend the very clunky and awkward high guardian spice scene. it is absolutely poorly directed and written, but that doesn't make it "bad representation". however, I do consider the character who explains that he's trans bad representation because he is flat, uninteresting and very clearly a creator self insert. he doesn't feel like a well rounded character who's also a trans man, but just an incredibly sanitized example of trans representation.

i have many, many issues with helluva boss/hazbin hotel and i do genuinely find some depictions of queer characters just flat out offensive (you can argue with me about how angel dust being written like your average 90s gay stereotype is woke actually because he has trauma, i dont care), but i do admire and appreciate that the series doesn't want to sanitize its queer characters, even if its done poorly. though i could go into a whole rant about how i find it very telling that female characters that are queer are far less sexualized or allowed to be problematic compared to their queer male counterparts.

anyways back to velma. that show does something that i've always found pretty irritating in queer representation which is just this weird lack of faith in its audience. characters can't have a slow burn anymore. internalized thoughts, anger, frustration, longing. you have to immediately know that two characters are gay for each other, even if they're lifelong enemies. its like when modern horror movies open with the gore because they're scared people are going to be bored or leave early. there's no subtlety or chemistry between daphne and velma, they're just lovers because idk, its two girls who hate each other and who doesn't love that.

then i think about how mystery inc handled velma and her sexuality, how she was allowed to be well rounded and nuanced before you slowly realize that "oh, she doesn't like boys". i know her whole thing with shaggy is controversial among fans but i always loved how she does do something pretty unlikable but not immoral. yeah, it is shitty to force shaggy to choose between her and his dog, but i can understand her line of thinking and empathize with her. and i do like how they become friends in the end despite their awkward break up. It's always fun rewatching it and realizing that their incredibly awkward and cringe relationship was meant to be awkward and cringe. it was supposed to be weird and difficult to watch, because those two weren't meant to date each other. you could see how hard velma was trying to make the relationship work despite the fact that you never get the vibe that either character was full invested in it, unlike daphne and fred's relationship.

then you had velma and her relationship with marcie, which started off as sort of a catty rivalry (not full on attempted murder, i mean holy shit hbo velma) that slowly grows to where you're completely convinced that these two did gradually like each other. and i do really enjoy stuff like that, more subtle writing like that. which doesn't just apply to queer rep btw, my favorite ships are relationships that feel understated, something you have to really dig for and pay attention to. its why i consider bubbline the best f/f representation in cartoon. because its subtle, but not too subtle where it feels out of no where when they kiss, and nuanced in ways that enhances the relationship AND characters.

there's a good amount of relationships i see in cartoons where the creator, who is usually queer themselves, often wants to depict queer relationships, but is weirdly adverse to depicting the uglier aspects of that character, and refuses to add subtlety to it. steven universe is a show i've always felt conflicted on its handling of queer representation because on the one hand i appreciate writing lesbians that are messy, traumatized and make constant mistakes. but on the other hand, the show goes out of its way to ignore these issues and/or make excuses for it, making the decision to make these characters messy and complicated genuinely baffling (this is also one of the big issues i have with catradora and stolitz).

it makes me think back to my own work too. i really enjoy making fluffy, easily digestible gay content for my followers and myself because it puts me in a good headspace. But even now and then i like exploring those little nuances too, because i don't really enjoy stories with little conflict. Because of that acknowledgement of how satisfying it is to write fluffy, queer rep, you end up putting yourself in other creator's shoes. you're so used to media that either dehumanizes gay people or tells people that they don't exist that you push yourself to make the most in your face queer rep you can but its at the cost of an interesting and subtle characters. characters that don't really have arcs or places to learn and grow.

With bugtopia i made a joke about how i want some of my queer rep to feel like you're being queerbaited. It's not literal, obviously, but mixed in with characters who are already married and in same gender relationships, i really want to write dynamics that feel subtle enough for a bit of a slow burn. even if you know they're going to end up together, to at least value the characters on their own before centering them on their relationships. queerbaiting is something that deserves all the criticism it can get, but it is embarrassing when queerbaiting feels genuinely more interesting than actual queer rep because queerbaiting has that factor of "maybe they won't get together" that adds that bit of intrigue, vs so many shows that repeatedly hammer in your head "don't worry guys, they're gonna be lesbian lovers".

mystery inc (and many other shows) being forced to keep a relationship obvious while subtle to get through censorship really forced creators to be creative with their storytelling and not center characters around their relationship and identity. but nowadays i think shows like to take the easy way out. for me, i always thought the most impactful example of queer representation in steven universe is "Rose's Scabbard". I genuinely don't enjoy that episode because it's a good example of the show thinking that trauma is an excuse for shitty behavior, but i cant deny that an entire episode of pearl breaking down and finally accepting that she wasn't the center of rose's world. it's the crew being forced to be creative and push through censors to telling a compelling story about a traumatized lesbian slowly realizing that she basically deluded herself into thinking she was someone's savior.

I think it's silly to try to place good queer representation in one box. like subtle queer rep is good, but also queer rep where a character flat out states that their gay. where I think it falls apart is when it either reinforces stereotypes without properly deconstructing or expanding on them, makes the characters so overly kind and non-controversial that the relationship is just boring, or try to make your messy and complicated characters but the narrative refuses to hold them accountable or at least acknowledge that they're doing something wrong. and to clarify on that last part, i'm not asking for some hays code nonsense where every bad person goes to prison and/or promises to stop being a bad person again. i mean the narrative doesnt just fucking sugarcoat their behavior. i don't want to see helluva boss ignore the fact that stolas made blitzo call him out for only using him for sex and then pathetically rush to justify their relationship by giving them a bizarrely sanitized and sweet backstory. and i don't want to see catra literally end the fucking universe and only do something good because she's straight up out of options and the show just decides that that was her redemption and she doesn't need to do anything to atone for what she did (including repeatedly abusing and verbally berating adora).

anyways velma has none of those interesting qualities and i'm pretty sure daphne and velma kissed because the creator is a weird pervert who thinks two girls kissing is hot.

#txt #i was thinking abt knocking off some of my longer posts on my tumblr but ya know its tumblr. its made for a blog #twitter isnt really a good place to write think pieces because its not really made for thinkpieces #i really enjoy expressing my thoughts on discourse and media but i don't want to over do it because ya know. you guys followed me for my ar #not my 2434334th post about why i think helluva boss is a bad show #but i've been thinking about sometimes prioritizing what i want to do vs what people want to see from me. so now you're getting #a long ass rant about why i think velma showing two teenagers kissing by episode 2 #encapsulates the overall issue with modern queer rep

[ingravinoveritas]

Have you seen his latest tweet? He’s having one of his moments and is blocking people left and right. I got myself blocked for commenting on a comment… TF is this poop? 😒

@phantomstars24 Okay, so...I have seen what's been going on on Twitter with Michael and there is...obviously a lot going on. Let me first put up the screenshots of his other tweets, which followed the initial one in @ourtubahero-blog's screenshot (the first one is most recent):

I think there are a few things (well, a lot of things) that are getting missed in all this, specifically the context for why Michael wrote the original tweet in the first place. It appears that it was meant to be a reaction to this incident, which just occurred today in the UK:

The wording of Michael's tweet was not clear, and I also don't think anyone outside of the UK would readily know what he was reacting to, so straightaway this seemed to lead to a lot of misunderstanding. A large portion of the criticism of that tweet stemmed from people thinking Michael was taking a neutral stance on the situation in Gaza/Israel, which is what then led to him making a clarifying tweet in that regard. For my part, I did not interpret Michael's original tweet as neutral, but rather that he is and does stand with innocent people of every stripe, and wishes for there to be no more bloodshed or further loss of life.

Michael's subsequent tweets only seem to have compounded the problem, as they appear to have been made out of an emotional response on his part, which is not a good thing when it comes across as defensive. Emotions are running incredibly high right now, and sadly that is the time when misunderstandings are most likely to occur. In the interest of clarity, in his second tweet, Michael did not say that he had no time to do research, but rather that he "has no time for people telling him to do research." What I took this to mean is that he already has done research and thought very carefully about this entire situation, and therefore felt slighted at people implying that he had not.

The problem inherent in all of this, however, is that this is an extremely difficult subject to have nuanced conversation about, particularly on social media and especially on Twitter. This then leads us to the issue of blocking. I think what Michael was attempting to say (again, badly worded) in his tweet about blocking people was that he was blocking people due to what he perceived as personal attacks. This would explain people being blocked for saying apparently innocuous things, as Michael was on the defensive and does not really have that button in his brain telling him to stop or back off once he gets going.

It goes without saying that Michael seemingly blocking people indiscriminately is definitely not a good look (though it is not without precedent, as I remember well him doing the exact same thing four years ago, albeit under different circumstances). But what is also not acceptable is people sending him death threats, or tweets such as this falsely accusing him of horrific things. In this instance, it is more than understandable that he would have a strong reaction to being dogpiled and block someone, because no one should have to accept threats to their person on their own social media page.

I think what is also happening is that a lot of fans (not either of you who sent in these asks, for the record) are correlating online activism to activism in real life. Michael has always been about walking the walk and not just talking the talk, to where we know he donated almost all of his money to the Homeless World Cup in 2019. He is also a UNICEF UK ambassador and has visited Lebanon, Chad, and Guatemala to meet and help refugee children. All this to say that we have no idea what he has done outside of social media to assist refugees and victims, or if/how much he has donated to Palestinian charities or other relief funds for victims and their families. And for my part, I would rather Michael be clumsy with his wording on social media (again, not defending the indiscriminate blocking) and taking tangible action in real life than engaging in performative Internet activism that ultimately goes nowhere.

(Also, I cannot help but facepalm at people asking Anna to weigh in, under the assumption that a) She would even care about this; and b) She has any influence whatsoever on Michael's behavior, which it is abundantly clear she does not or else he would have stopped flirting with David years ago. I just really hope people do not tag her or expect her to have the ability to somehow "rein him in," because they will be very disappointed...)

So yes, I think what made Michael make a statement tonight after all this time was the above-mentioned MP. I think his intentions were likely good and that his heart was in the right place--as are all of ours, in wanting to protect innocent civilians and stop the horrific violence that is happening. But I also think that if Michael wasn't prepared to handle certain types of criticism, then it probably would have been better for him to say nothing at all, or at least certainly to not escalate things by continuously tweeting. I am also sorry for the fans who were hurt by his actions, because I know fans who have been there before, and it really sucks.

I am hopeful, however, that we can all step back and breathe once emotions are no longer so heightened and try to find a way to listen to each other and engage meaningfully. Because it is truly disheartening to see how things escalated so quickly tonight, and I want to believe that we as a fandom and as human beings can do so much better. I suppose only time will tell...

#ourtubahero-blog #phantomstars24 #michael sheen #welsh seduction machine #twitter #Michael is a PR nightmare #because any PR person would have advised against this #and yet #i honestly get whiplash reading Michael’s Twitter sometimes #ignoring sometimes really is the best thing you can do #i have learned this from experience #i hope Michael learns it too #for his own mental health and well being #fandom woes #thoughts #discourse

[etoilesbienne]

can i ask for the world people are living in where bbh doesn't face any consequences because purgatory was beatdown after beatdown where people made him suffer constantly sure he fought back a few times what do you expect but he definitely didn't "face no consequences" lol. qbbh is consistently characterized as a paranoid, worried man, who's priorities lie in saving the eggs.

tell me. do you think being constantly so paranoid after being hunted continuously for two weeks is no consequences! that cubito has severe anxiety if not outright ocd and that event was him constantly double checking everything and spiralling about every worst possible scenario. fuck man etoiles and roier murdered him repeatedly (& they were right to) what more consequences do you want? like what do you want here? like do you want him with no friends no one to talk to do you think thats good content to watch? what are we asking for him to pay with? he already lost all of his memories??

#Its just wild! #like what do you want here what are you talking about #...like as red team said at the beginning: the real war would be his twitter indirects #fandom crit #posts from the aether #discourse

[ourflagmeansgayrights]

also ok i know i was poking fun at some of the responses from izzy fans to the vanity fair article but some izzy haters on twitter were also being so fucking annoying about the con quotes. getting mad about some nonspoiler quotes they got from the guy during his downtime like my besties in fandom we literally do not even have a trailer all we have are eight entire pictures and an article written by someone who spent one (1) entire day on the set. y’all do not need to get this worked up that con o’neill answered questions about his own character and was quoted by a pop culture magazine. calm tf down.

#ofmd #our flag means death #ofmd s2 #ofmd season 2 #izzy hands #dizzy izzy #con o'neill #s2 hiatus hell txt #txt #og #mine #the izcourse #<- idk i guess?? #wasn’t really discourse it was just people tweeting in their own general circles #it was all either “HUGE IZZY FOCUS S2 🥳🥳🥳” or “HUGE IZZY FOCUS S2 🤬🤬🤬” #when to me personally the signs do not point in that direction but i could be wrong! #anyway my takeaway from being on twitter for 5 minutes on the day that article dropped is that everyone in the fandom #is getting WAY ahead of themselves

[c-kiddo]

obviously its all bad but the one plagiarism somerton did that i rly cant get over is taking the words of a trans!! and asian!!!!!!! writer (jes tom), who was writing personally about their thoughts on Mulan and how they very personally connected to the story, and removing any mention of race so that he (white) could say it as if it was his words. and not only that he makes it generally about queerness rather than (asian, specifically) transmasculinity . truly rancid

#kiddo say #also watched todd in the shadows video #and that was just actually mental. somerton was just making shit up. literally invented a woman to be mad at. several times #hes so twitter discourse addicted adult h*rry p*tter fan coded (deep deep insult) #<- i think thats why i first didnt like him . aside from boring videos. i saw that he called himself h/p fanboy . fucking loser #grown ass 34 yr olds crying about how theyre so sad about h/p while the author actively promotes trans people dying is immediate #repellent to me. like ok get a hobby

[ahalliance]

wishing certain qsmp fans a very Stop Being Fucking Misogynists

#im not wading into twitter but from what ive heard from my friends: very big fuck you to #anyone shitting on bagz yet praising etoiles (or antoine or aypierre) for their statements #in no fucking way did she condemn quack she quite literally says she has full confidence in him #‘thank you etoiles for being a true friend’ etoiles would tear you apart and mock you out of his tchat live on stream if you sent that #just because he is friendly and is a fan favourite of many (aka: your favourite disposable guy who exists only to hype up your precious fave #does not mean he would tolerate ur fucking asses for a second get out #nor would he tolerate any messages like that in his tchat get fucking real #jay rants #boiling with rage #baghera has been so fucking dedicated since the goddamn second she stepped foot on this server and it is making my blood curl with how #deeply sexist these people have been and continue to be #discourse