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harleyshahas · 2 years

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Guess who's mad about Frozen again?!

Anna and Elsa are the worst examples of sisterhood. They hardly talk to each other throughout the movie with the exception of their, admittedly cute, bonding in the intro. But then The Plot happens and, their parents being The Worst, actively encourage Elsa into isolation, they actively encourage the sisters away from each other. And yeah, I get it, that's the point, the story needs to happen, but how do they go 9-10 years without talking to each other? How can you look at this movie and be like, "Oh yeah, excellent example of sisterhood and being a family and love and all that?!" They don't talk to each other!

They don't talk to each other growing up, despite Anna desperately wanting to talk to Elsa. Eventually she flat out gives up. Once again, I get it, that's The Point, they both have to move past their own issues in this film and, once again, I admit it works. But only for them as individuals, not as sisters.

They don't speak again until the coronation, where it's, also admittedly cute, awkward and tense, they don't know how to talk to each other anymore. They bond over chocolate of all things and it's actually a good little moment, like meeting up with an old friend you haven't seen since childhood and trying to reestablish a common interest. It's a good scene, probably my favorite in the movie, and it's the only time they have a good interaction. After this, Elsa boots her off to dance with Weaselman where the Hans thing happens (we all know how I feel about Hans, my man deserved better, I won't get into it here), and instead of using this time to build a relationship between Anna and Elsa, whom the movie is supposed to be about, we get a boppy romance number, and some more character about Anna. At this point in the movie, Anna has had too much focus. What we need is Elsa time. What we need is some Elsa and Anna time.

This would have been a great opportunity to build up the relationship between the sisters (the core theme of the movie) instead of a poorly subverted romance subplot. This would have also been a good time to give Elsa some actual character. She's pretty flat, ngl.

The next time the sisters talk is for them to fight over quite frankly the dumbest thing in existence. "You can't marry a man you just met," my ass. We need the plot to move forward in the most contrived way possible because what do they have to fight about when we don't know what they have in common? Had they actually taken the time to speak before we might have actually had a good reason for a fight, like say an actually cute and meaningful moment between the two only for it to take a tense turn when the subject of their isolation finally gets brought up. They could have talked, we the audience could have watched this cute bonding experience build organically and the sisters actually start to learn about each other, only for it to take a tense, dramatic turn that could have actually meant something for the story and for their relationship! God, I'm so fucking mad at this movie, we could have had better!

Anyway, bullshit fight (over a man of all things, even if it's not in the traditional sense) ensues, Elsa's powers are revealed, she runs, Anna tries to stop her, Arendelle's covered in snow, cue fantastic girl power song. Let It Go is amazing, I'm not too proud to admit that.

Anna then leaves Arendelle in the hands of someone acutally capable to chase after her and we get another contrived romantic subplot with Kristoff, with even more contrived parody bullshit over Disney romance (they're kids movies, guys, a little unbelievable romance is the fucking point, it's all fantasy) and Olaf. We get a couple scenes of how Hans is handling the kingdom (pretty well, all things considered (yes, I'm a Hans apologist, fight me)), he comes up with an actual plan, and we're back to Anna and Kristoff. Throughout all this character growth with Anna and her romance options, we get Nothing from Elsa. She gets a song and is cut from the film until Anna shows up outside her fancy ice palace.

Maybe instead of Anna and Kristoff romance bonding, and Olaf (and no one seems to want to talk about how Elsa has the ability to create actual sentient Life and has the powers of a literal god) and getting his I Want song, we could have had a good bit with Anna going up the mountain by herself, finding the strength to push ahead solely for the love of her sister, we could have had some (actual) introspection from Elsa about the nature of her powers, her relationship with them and the relationship with her parents and her sister. We could have had a song where they sing a duet from the top and bottom of the mountain, Anna could have pushed through on her own and over the course of her journey realize that she is a strong single woman who doesn't need a man. I honestly think her journey would have meant more if she had undertaken it completely alone, maybe running into Olaf at some point to liven up this kids movie I'm still mad about. The point is, we didn't need another romance subplot. We needed more time with Elsa and Anna. But most specifically with Elsa.

While Let It Go is a good song, it's not actually very telling. It's about Elsa coming to terms with her powers, and that's good, but it ultimately doesn't mean anything. She regresses the next we see her when Anna shows up. She hasn't come to terms with it. She's still scared of what she can do. If Let It Go really was supposed to be the empowerment song it was supposed to be, then we should have had a brief scene or two of her using her powers in the ice palace. We should have seen her experimenting with them, making ice sculptures and decorations to fill the palace with, basically having fun being able to let loose with them or something.

Think of the scene from Tangled, when Rapunzel sets foot on grass for the first time. It's no big musical number, but instead she's running and frolicking and using her hair for all this new and wild open world to explore. She's in the process of having a mental breakdown for going against Goethel's orders, but she's still just so excited to be free. We spend the entire movie with Rapunzel, watching her get a feel for how hair can work in this new environment. Rapunzel is very similar to Anna in personality, so Anna going off on her own to brave the mountain to find her sister actually alone isn't so far out of the realm of possibility as she has the same drive. Elsa is more reserved, so her being alone to explore her powers works and I personally would have loved to see her make Marshmallow and actually react to the fact that she can create literal life, since she didn't see Olaf come to life.

Kristoff didn't need to be in this movie and I resent his inclusion.

The next time the sisters interact its to Anna telling Elsa she needs to come back and fix things. Immediately jumping straight to the blame game, neither of them take the time to learn anything about the other or understand what the other is going or has gone through. Elsa's powers going out of control makes sense here, but the buildup to it could have been more meaningful, could have made me care a bit more. Arendelle was snow-covered for like two days, they could stand to be covered a bit more for the relationship to build. Then Anna gets hit with ice, Marshmallow chases them off a cliff, bullshit romance subplot, Elsa is captured by Hans (actually a well-done scene, I have no critiques on that).

Once again, their relationship should have taken centerstage. Elsa could have invited Anna in, shown off all these amazing things she can do, Anna taking the time to listen to her for once, to see her actually excited about something rather than a depressed shut in. Anna could have told Elsa all about her adventure, introduced Olaf properly, they could have had a beautiful bonding moment together, this would have been a great place for the relationship to build naturally, and the tension could have risen the longer it went on as Anna tried to break the news of Arendelle, instead of jumping straight to the Plot.

They don't talk again until the end of the movie.

They don't SEE each other again until Anna gets (ha) frozen.

And I honestly don't care by that point. Why should I care that Elsa feels bad about freezing her sister? They had little to no interaction, barely any chemistry to build upon and make me care that they care. Because nothing in the movie tells me they care. It's mostly to blame on the bullshit romance subplot, the whole movie relies on Kristoff and Anna's growing relationship when that's not what this movie is about? It's about sisterhood? Is it? Is it, really???

No. No it's not.

Frozen spends so much time focusing on Anna and Hans, on Anna and Kristoff, when it should have focused entirely on Anna and Elsa (with a little bit of Hans in there for flavor if Disney really couldn't help themselves, but even then I think it would have been fine without him). This supposed movie about sisterhood lacks in sisterhood so much that it's really just... ya know...

A bad movie.

Anyway, Anna is melted by Elsa's love (which I don't believe for a second), Arendelle is unfrozen, and Anna punches my man in the face in a dumb moment of Girl Power (he totally deserved it in the context of the story, I won't lie). And then Anna gives Kristoff a new sleigh, she kisses him to wrap up the bullshit romance, and she STILL doesn't have any meaningful conversation with Elsa. After the intro they have a total of four, FOUR scenes together. In this movie about SISTERHOOD.

Go watch Lilo and Stitch if you want an actual good movie about sisterhood.

#i have too much time to think at night #i work a night shift #i will never forgive frozen #frozen discourse #am i late to the frozen discourse #frozen #i havent seen frozen 2 dont @ me #this is about the first movie specifically #harley rants

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ingravinoveritas · 4 months

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Okay but is it a good thing for people to look at your family Christmas photo and say that it looks photoshopped and edited? Just wondering since so many people have that same thought over on twitter who believe that Georgia and Anna were edited in

It's been so overwhelming to see the response to these new pics. I am sure probably everyone has seen them by now, but I will put up the visual just in case:

I think I would agree with you that, in the most general sense, saying that someone's family Christmas photo looks Photoshopped/edited is probably not a positive thing. In the interest of fairness, looking at the pictures of the other people who were photographed at the event, it does seem like it was a problem with the lighting or editing overall that is affecting every photo, not just these pictures.

One thing I want to be clear on is that I think it's absolutely precious that Michael and David did this outing together, and are spending so much time together overall while Michael is in London. We had an inkling of that up until this point, but we literally went from a blurry photo to Michael and David gazing at each other across a crowded room on press night for Macbeth, to...this...in the span of less than a month. And I am glad that their kids are getting to spend time together and enjoy all of these holiday festivities as well. It's all very sweet and lovely, and in no way is it my intention to diminish that.

Thinking about the matching sweaters (jumpers), this is where I start to feel slightly less enthusiastic. It seems that the jumpers were Georgia's idea, which makes sense, as she previously had everyone wearing matching sweaters for a viewing party for "The Star Beast" (the first DW 60th anniversary episode). But having sweaters for Michael, AL, Lyra, and Mabli isn't an accident, or something that happens on the fly--it has to be planned. So for me, that makes it seem less like "spontaneous family outing" and more like "planned photo op meant to garner publicity."

What particularly gets me is that the both the matching sweaters for DW and the matching sweaters here feels like a gimmick...but Michael and David have never needed a "gimmick." Because Michael and David just being themselves has always been enough to be memorable. I'm not sure if Georgia thought she needed a gimmick to make herself and Anna stand out or what, but to me it almost feels like the sweaters are a diversion. As if Georgia perhaps knew the four them in a photo together would look awkward, so what better way to deflect than to give everyone something else to talk about. (Perhaps the same could also be said for Michael's hat, which...why, Michael? Haha.)

But it seems that Georgia's idea worked, because right after these pictures came out, an article was published about them in the Daily Mail. So all of this put together does give that feeling of being planned, especially because the four of them were so much the focal point of the DM article, more than any of the other celebrities at the event.

This brings me back to the aforementioned photos. Again, what seemed notable to me wasn't just what we did see, but what we didn't: No photo of Michael and Anna together, nor of David and Georgia, and not one of Georgia and AL, either. Instead, we have this group photo (where no one is actually touching and Georgia and AL's arms are awkwardly hanging side by side), and a photo of Michael and David where they are, with their arms around each other and Michael leaning into David, in contrast to his much stiffer posture in the group photo.

Looking at the Getty Images page, all of the other twosome photos are of couples, and none of them have the same unusual energy as Michael/David/Georgia/AL's group photo. So I do wonder if the fans pointing out the "Photoshopped" nature of the picture (and specifically that Georgia and AL appear to be edited in) have ever considered that maybe that is just how Georgia and AL look together. Because we're not talking about Staged, or social media posts. This is them, face to face, in real life, and the difference between Georgia and AL vs. Michael and David just seems pretty striking.

(I am also aware that there was another family photo that Georgia posted in an Insta story, and it is an incredibly cute picture, but I will say that what struck me is how Georgia and AL are pressed close together, but there is a very noticeable amount of space between Anna and David, and he seems to be giving off a lot of 'closed' body language (one hand in his lap, one folded behind him). Make of that what you will...)

So yes, those are my thoughts on the new pictures. I would love to hear any observations that anyone else has, of course, so feel free to share your thoughts in the comments. Thanks for writing in! x

#phantomstars24 #unforgivablengk #reply post #michael sheen #welsh seduction machine #david tennant #soft scottish hipster gigolo #georgia tennant #i just think it speaks volumes that their 'family outing' ends with an article in the DM #especially because i'm not sure an article like that would be written on the fly #also Michael wearing the hat reminds me of when he dressed as Olaf when AL and the girls were in Frozen costumes for Lyra's birthday #instead of as the prince #using humor as a deflection #i could be completely wrong about all of this of course #but i will leave it to my followers to make up their own minds #anna lundberg #relationships #ineffable lovers #discourse

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noperopesaredope · 2 months

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I was thinking about this drink and it's name:

I personally call it a slushee, but Google says the most common way of spelling it is slushy or slushie. So, among those who call it by slush-é rather than, say, slurpee, how do you spell it?

(No, I will not add a "I call it something else" or "slurpee" option. The point of this is how to spell slush-é, not what you think the drink is called)

#poll #tumblr polls #food #food discourse #spelling #regional variant #it's probably regional i think #or i'm just stupid #slushy #slushie #slushee #slurpee #drinks #frozen food #cold food #please i need to know #poll time #hyperspecific poll

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derekfoxwit · 1 year

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“This is some cool concept art of Elemental. I really like it. I wonder what others thi-”

(sigh…….) Why am I not surprised…..?

Lemme just drop this here.

Also dropping this for no reason (whistles as I walk away)

#animation #twitter #pixar #elemental #concept art #frozen #online discourse #calarts #disney #cartoon network #meme

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homosexualtransexual · 7 months

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okay i was thinking about this meme earlier and it really ground my gears bc its like... not true?

like first of all ik this is a little hyperbole and Not Exact but i still wanna talk about it a lil.

so like first of all the concept art i think this is based off is very early when elsa was the villain and looked a lot different to anna and anna looked the same but her silhouette was different

and it does look cool and i do love it but this doesn't fit the direction the film went it so they changed it.

and you wanna know what much later concept art looked like?

kinda exactly like the film. bc the concept art changes. and its the same for other disney films.

here's some tarzan early concept art vs the later ones

the beast looks like a completely different species here than the completely different species he is in the later ones.

and like ik the frozen one is more dramatic of a change but the point is they all change for reasons and so does the plot and the actors and the script and everything changes.

but also like idk if Frozen is the film you wanna go for when you're talking about boring character design. so lets go through elsa and anna's journeys (just frozen 1 bc its 3am and im tired i just can't sleep until i finish this rant).

so the first time we see elsa and anna are at 7 and 5 years old respectively. as you can see, they both wear clothes simmilar to clothes theyre gonna wear later in the film. elsas clothes, hair, and colour scheme are very similar to what she transforms into at the end of let it go: hair braided and a very simple light blue dress. anna's look reflects her at elsa's coronation: a green dress with her hair tied back.

if we look at elsa at her coronation, it's very different from what she wears from the rest of the film. it's still got shades of blue, but they're all much darker and it contains 2 colours she will never wear again in the enterity of the franchise, let alone the film: black and purple. it's also the only time that she wears something that covers her from neck to toe. in addition, her hair is pinned up. to me this represents her repression of her power at the fear that she can't use them or she'll hurt someone or worse: anna.

lets move on to what anna wears at the coronation. its like a final evolution of the same dress she's been wearing the whole time. this shows that she hasn't really had to repress and can continue being her true self at the coronation. im gonna move on quickly because theres something more exciting that happens to anna's look very quickly

SHE'S WEARING A MORE CORMFORTABLE AND SLIGHTLY BLUER VERSION OF ELSA'S CORONATION DRESS! AHHH I LOVE THIS DESIGN SO MUCH EVEN HER HAIR IS DOWN HOW CAN ANYONE HATE THIS FILM'S CHARACTER DESIGN.

okay lemme calm down

its like a tactic when you're finding someone to ask yourself "what what they do?" you put yourself in their shoes and try and see things from their point of view. anyways anna is doing that with her clothes and its might be my favourite costume from the films? she wants to find elsa and help her and isn't scared of elsa even so much that she wants to be her. it's just so good. anyways moving on

THIS iconic masterpiece. what the discourse is all about. like obviously it's less extravagant than the concept art but first of all the details? the snowflakes coming up from the dress? my girl just learned how to make dresses and already made a masterpiece with ICE! but then also this is representing her being someone who she couldn't have been since she was 7! imagine that! having to repress who you are, not being able to explore yourself and your abilities because you're scared it could hurt someone. and if elsa wasn't taught to be scared of her powers she wouldnt have tried to push anna way and freezing her heart and i just went far off topic.

but anyways this is like kinda why i hate this discourse bc yeah the original wouldve looked cooler but cooler doesnt mean better for the film and i also might have a small special interest in frozen who knows

#concept art #discourse #frozen #elsa #anna #long post #disney #character design

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gothyanki · 2 months

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Help I was innocently looking for art of my spider wife and somehow took a wrong turn down 💀 Discourse Alley ☠️

#I DID find lots of good minthy art #but the takes… some of the takes…#unsubscribe companion sexuality discourse forever #i’m so glad i live under a rock these days and don’t have to witness bg3 fandom trying to reheat ancient frozen bioware drama in real time #the way other people choose to play the game does not affect you! at all! stop it!#ship wars are silly in general and EXTRA silly when they centre around a rpg where Your Choices Matter #ignore me! i’m just getting mildly aerated over fans not being excellent to other fans!#apologies for bringing 💀 The Discourse ☠️ to your dash #i promise it’s over now

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ultimategirldad · 2 years

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[ID: screenshot from the spamton sweepstakes page, featuring a caption from the engraved wristwatch prize. It says "NEED PROOF? THERE LIES THE NAME OF THE [angel with the tattered wings]!". End ID]

So I think regarding this page. It's interesting to contextualise it with the text preceding it - especially the angel with the tattered wings part.

I don’t think we’ve ever seen Noelle Holiday described like this before and it’s absolutely fascinating to me.

#deltarune #noelle #spamton sweepstakes #Edit: really long tags!! fyi #there is a lot I want to say but i'm too tired lol. anyways noelle holiday is a character with well documented flaws and--#--the text in that page doesn't feel ooc for me at all. like. yes she's indecisive. yes she's literally frozen in fear. yes she'll literally #inconvenience herself so she doesn't step on others toes. and yes she's not gonna do anything about the bullying because...#what CAN she do? talk to kris? something that's established as a Hard and Rare thing to do. tell a teacher? literally which teacher??#alphys the one who sees this happen day in and out and with the authority to make a difference... but doesn't. or toriel. which I'm #not even gonna explain why that would go terribly. So that leaves us with... noelle standing up to susie herself. which i'd like to #point out that noelle learns to stand up for herself and others by the *end* of chapter 2. so I think there's most definitely a #precedent here for noelle to act the way she does. she's deeply flawed and has many weaknesses to exploit (as we've seen in --#snowgrave) BUT she's deeply wonderful and kind and all of that coexists together.#WHOOPS I didn't mean for this to get so long sdfghjkl and rant-y uhm I'm really not that fussed I just think people are seeing--#a character act in a non-ideal way and immediately assuming that it has to be Not Canon or OOC or Wrong.#I agree the topic and text is uncomfortable but. not anything unexpected?? yeah that's my 2 cents #this was all typed in one go by a sleep deprived me so if I got anything incorrect please don't pick me apart thank u #cryptic capri #discourse #<-- just in case bc I went OFF on a tangent with this lol

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valkylander · 2 years

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Obsessed with people who will look at the most blatant incestuous subtext in fiction and say “That’s just how siblings are.”

Way more worried about those people’s siblings than the folks who actually ship the incest.

#Ship Discourse #Arcane #Code Geass #Frozen #Spy x Family #Shipcest #Digimon Adventure

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sailorstarr-chan4 · 2 years

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Fandom needs to relearn that you can criticize the things you love without automatically "canceling" it or making it "cringe" for continuing to like it or pulling a Cinema Sins by nitpicking arbitrary bullshit. I truly think the reason why fans are so infamously bad at criticism (both giving and receiving) is because we as a society have lost the art of nuance and critical thinking as a whole. People claim they're "criticizing" a character's poor choices, when in actuality, it's thinly veiled demonized bashing. People bend over backwards to defend a character they love who's heavily criticized for poor representation/harmful stereotypes/bad writing choices, while also being just as guilty towards characters they don't like.

That and the whole "projecting oneself onto a character/story for so long, it becomes an integral part of your personality, therefore a criticism of said thing is a direct attack of YOU." Which is false, obviously, but fandom has yet to understand that.

And frankly, there are times and places where criticism is NOT necessary as a whole. It's one thing to unpack why a story is riddled with problematic tropes, toxic behaviors that are romanticized, shitty plot devices, etc. It's another to disproportionately bicker and argue and pick apart an older story/characters, whose ultimate sin is simply being dated and not holding up with today's standards.

#Starling ramblings #fandom stuff #discourse #thinking about Sailor Moon and my issues with the writing choices while also unironically adoring the series and protagonist #thinking about Inuyasha and how much the (thirsty) fandom refuses to criticize Their Faves #and yet can rake their Hated Character across the coals without blinking an eye at the hypocrisy #thinking about how the more Disney movies come out the more people take it to bash on Frozen #forever salty at Frozen's success; rather than judging the newer films at face value #thinking about how there are two types of Harry Potter fans now: ex ones who refuse to admit that they ever loved the series #or ones that double down and refuse to give it up or criticize it #thinking about how ship wars constantly ravage fandom waters even when the source material has LITTLE TO NO ROMANCE IN ITS STORY #thinking about how shipping culture has become an obsession; how we cannot see ANY emotional intimacy between ANY two or more people #without immediately going '*gasp* ..... I smell a ship!! 😍😍😍'#(which by itself is perfectly harmless. you do you boo. but like. it's also lowkey concerning when it becomes all-consuming.)#just..... I have a Lot of Thoughts™#50 notes

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swallowtail-ageha · 4 months

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If op knows what my ships look like they'd have a stroke

#the eowyn/grima wormtounge blueprint #also why is it so fun to read frozen fandom discourse

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prussianmemes · 1 year

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finished an eight thousand word essay on french society and how it dealt with the legacy of the vichy regime and realized nobody can make up their damn mind and most problems can be traced back to de gaulle.

#that and discussions on the holocaust have just completely clogged up every discussion after 1985 #or its monkey journalists making bad historical allegories 24/7 about how their rival is literally pétain its just like laval is back bros #discourse should have just been frozen with mitterand #there was no need for anything after 1980 #degaulle was on some konrad adenaeur type shit #the fuck were you doing giving papon the légion d'honneur #for massacring like 300 algerians twice in paris?#what algeria does to a mf...#txt

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umii33 · 2 years

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Isn’t Amy a little girl and shadow like 50??

the creators of shadow intended for him to be exactly like sonic, including his age. shadamy shares the same age gap as sonamy and that’s 15 yrs old.

Shadow is practically a 15 y/o. the 50 yrs that he was frozen does not correlate to his age bc it just doesn’t make sense like how do you age when your literally unconscious in a test tube that’s preserving your body🧍. if anything it’s an avatar aang situation, bc even after so many years of being frozen in an ice berg for 100 years, he still came out as the same behavior as a 12 y/o. that literally applies to shadow, only shadow came out so vengeful bc of what he last remembered and it only explains the route the boy has went to that makes him come off as someone much older bc of taking matters into his own hands to seek promises he believes will do justice for his cherished friend.

anyway, if avatar aang’s situation is so easy to understand, why isn’t shadow’s ? have you never played the games ? i really don’t trust wiki bc it’s literally just biased information from others who can edit for free to their own liking. instead of doing surface level research in what comes up on google, play the games and come to your own conclusion bc all i can tell you rn is that Shadow is a minor who’s in amy’s and sonic’s age range too or could be a lil younger then sonic.

#idk what else to say to you.#like yes #shadow is CHRONICALLY 50 but that doesn’t equal his age #aside from that #i’m aware that he’s ageless and imortal too #but that literally doesn’t stop that he’s still a child too #like realistically idk how long he’s been alive before he was cryogenically frozen #but for sure it must have been p short from emerging from the test tubes. b yea.#there’s a possibility i’ll pin this on my tumblr bc i’m srsly tired of shadow the hedgehog age discourse.#still can’t believe ppl really believe he’s actually in his ‘50’s’ when the boy himself is literally 15 and a minor.#i never once saw him as an old man only just an alien hybrid hedgehog who’s still a naive child.

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