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richardsphere · 3 months

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Leverage Redemption Log: The Panamanian Monkey Job

Look i know we're going to Panama because of last episodes ending tease/it being a 2 parter. But can we just agree that sometimes the writers just pull words out of a hat and call it a title? --- Seriously that Location Establishment Font is horrible. The point of an establishing shot is to show the place we're at and that is the opposite of what your font is doing. --- Harry named-for-a-volleyball is returning to his old place of work to be a suitable distraction to let Leverage Inc slip by to steal his old client-list or something. (i think that the team is still "inc"and the big alliance of other teams working with/beneath them is International? feel free to correct me)

obligatory "evil lawyer joke" and we're scarcely a minute in. Parker making Neigh-noises as she removes the horse painting. 10/10. (Lola also gets a 10/10, it would be cool)

Oh the tax-evasion supervault has a brochure, how quaint. ominous mini-spydrone. (It's either introducing Hardisons understudy cause actor is busy, or actually spying? Im betting on its a fake-out) --- Ok the Panama City Courthouse is a phrase with words long enough that it forces the letters to get vertically smaller and make space between the words so we can actually us see between the letters. Which is a mercy, but unless we're about to spend half a season in LLanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch I do expect this font-styling to be a persistent nuisance. (apologies to the Welsh if there's a typo in there.) --- "blackouts, memory loss, deja vu" saw that punchline coming but its a classic.

just walk into the money laundering operation and start burning things. Simple and effective. Sophie seems to think she's getting too old for this, (think she might switch from frontline grifter to a more Nate-like organiser, carry on her husbands legacy sort of thing)

Elliot hears the drone.

Hardisons sister (read replacement) has a really dead stare...

"I teach every kid i meet how to do crime" That you do,

"one of us gets cover blown, they just kill us. But Harry, he reads like a fed. They'd torture him first. Gives us time to save him." You're not wrong Elliot, but you shouldnt say it. --- "I did not go through the trouble of making the only place in the world where its legal to store illegal property for you to cut corners". Time for a security exposition dump Basement has only 1 way in (elevator, or so he claims Parker is a Vent Enthuisiast) On site and off-site camera monitoring facilities (other in the Philipines) (could be a simple footage loop?) No drilling (seismic sensors, easy to trip=Boy Who Cried Wolf protocol. IE: Sheherezade Job.)

7/10 on the Tickle Yourself gag. Reduced to 4/10by the "dribble a football" (you can dribble a football, Handeggs are a bit tougher though) EDM festival next-door is a go-go. The monkey is the name and logo of a fake animal protection group that is faking outrage about a non-existent DJ playing a non-existent birthday party so they can be shamed by Sophie into playing at a non-existent benefit concert for an existent monkey. --- Creepy goons want to interogate Partyplanner Hackergirl whose name i have already forgotten (im bad at names allright,)

We're not busted, he's just asking why there is a sudden EDM rave nextdoor to his legal "illegal-things" storage. (understandable, bad form of the rest of the team to leave the newbie alone)

Turns out that Warcrimes George is a fan of "legally-not-Deadmouse". (why were we in Tokyo? Oh right *mimes headshot* great show) I have never liked an antagonist who was not meant to be sympathetic to this degree before. Ok so Deadmouse better show up or he's gonna face-shoot her.

--- Opioidrefugee is meeting in the park, guard negotiates him up to 8 million

Huh, the vault operator actually has an apparently semi-decent arguement for his own morality. (giving the tyrants a way to exit the stage into retirement means they have the option of peacefull retirement, and if even 1% of tyrants takes it, thats thousands of civilians not dying in civil wars as they cling to power.) like he's not a good person certainly, but you can argue a moral grey-ness in his business-operations there.

--- Harry sees Maxwell as he leaves... Hardison drills the roof, Breanna mans the phone. Elliot is in the vents (cause the elevator is broken)

Invisible lasers (thank god they're invisible for once) cause a throuple-fight with Hardison and Elliot.

turn of the lock turns the lasers off, and now Maxwell is pointing a gun at Parker.

--- neck-slap unconcious, Maxwell is in the vault... which is laced with explosives we're about to blow up. (making it seem like he blew up a vault full of every dictator and crooks secret stashes. Might be the evilest frame-up this show's ever done) "three of them have armies, one of them has Nukes" Well he's certainly right, that does sound like a "run for the rest of your lives" situation.

Hardison bought the theatre. Tearfull goodbye is imminent. Hardison claims that at least a dozen crews consider Parker a mom.

Sophie is officially out of retirement.

#Leverage redemption #leverage redemption season 1 #leverage #the Panamanian Monkey Job

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textsfromthetva · 3 years

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Hello! I noticed your post that said you wanted people to ask you stuff so I thought I'd give it a shot. I've been looking for new shows to watch/ books to read, so if you have any reccomendations, that would rock my world! Of course, if you don't, that is a-okay. You can also talk about anything you find cool, or something that's been on you mind lately (a random space, if you will)

I hope this helps! <3

Well if you saw my last answer, you'll see this one coming... watch Hannibal. It's great.

And how about some insane dissonant book recommendations:

1) A Series of Unfortunate Events by Lemony Snicket, all 13 books. They're children's books, you can read one a day if you put your mind to it. They're very funny, the narration is spectacular.

2) The God of Small Things by Arundhati Roy. It's probably my favourite book of all times, my copy is falling apart, I read it so much. It's about the inter-generational trauma of a family in India, post he end of British colonialism. It won the Booker Prize. The prose is like a character in itself, it's really poetic. Lots of repetition of phrases, the meaning/context of which are only discovered much later, giving an amazing set-up/pay-off feeling. (try reading it and not having the words "sicksweet. like old roses on a breeze" kicking around your head for years.)

3) Fight Club by Chuck Palahniuk. I happen to really like his writing, it's easily accessible, and the book is ten times gayer than the movie. The ending isn't as good as the movie's, but we get some great set-up/pay-off action here as well.

Okay, but back to The God of Small Things. I have to share a few quotes, because I can:

But when they made love he was offended by her eyes. They behaved as though they belonged to someone else. Someone watching. Looking out of the window at the sea. At a boat in the river. Or a passerby in the mist in a hat.

He was exasperated because he didn’t know what that look meant. He put it somewhere between indifference and despair. He didn’t know that in some places, like the country that Rahel came from, various kinds of despair competed for primacy. And that personal despair could never be desperate enough. That something happened when personal turmoil dropped by at the wayside shrine of the vast, violent, circling, driving, ridiculous, insane, unfeasible, public turmoil of a nation. That Big God howled like a hot wind, and demanded obeisance. Then Small God (cozy and contained, private and limited) came away cauterized, laughing numbly at his own temerity. Inured by the confirmation of his own inconsequence, he became resilient and truly indifferent Nothing mattered much. Nothing much mattered. And the less it mattered, the less it mattered. It was never important enough. Because Worse Things had happened. In the country that she came from, poised forever between the terror of war and the horror of peace, Worse Things kept happening.

***

The Loss of Sophie Mol stepped softly around the Ayemenem House like a quiet thing in socks. It hid in books and food. In Mammachi’s violin case. In the scabs of the sores on Chacko’s shins that he constantly worried. In his slack, womanish legs.

It is curious how sometimes the memory of death lives on for so much longer than the memory of the life that it purloined. Over the years, as the memory of Sophie Mol (the seeker of small wisdoms: Where do old birds go to die? Why don’t dead ones fall like stones from the sky? The harbinger of harsh reality: You’re both whole wogs and I’m a half one. The guru of gore: I’ve seen a man in an accident with his eyeball twinging on the end of a nerve, like a yo-yo ) slowly faded, the Loss of Sophie Mol grew robust and alive. It was always there. Like a fruit in season. Every season. As permanent as a government job.

***

“Rahel,” Ammu said.

Rahel froze. She was desperately sorry for what she had said. She didn’t know where those words had come from. She didn’t know that she’d had them in her. But they were out now, and wouldn’t go back in. They hung about that red staircase like clerks in a government office. Some stood, some sat and shivered their legs.

“Rahel,” Ammu said, “do you realize what you have just done?”

Frightened eyes and a fountain looked back at Ammu.

“It’s all right. Don’t be scared,” Ammu said. “Just answer me. Do you?”

“What?” Rahel said in the smallest voice she had.

“Realize what you’ve just done?” Ammu said.

Frightened eyes and a fountain looked back at Ammu. “D’you know what happens when you hurt people?” Ammu said. “When you hurt people, they begin to love you less. That’s what careless words do. They make people love you a little less.”

A cold moth with unusually dense dorsal tufts landed lightly on Rahel’s heart. Where its icy legs touched her, she got goosebumps. Six goosebumps on her careless heart

A little less her Ammu loved her.

***

The house had lain empty for years. Very few people had seen it. But the twins could picture it

The History House.

With cool stone floors and dim walls and billowing ship-shaped shadows. Plump, translucent lizards lived behind old pictures, and waxy, crumbling ancestors with tough toe-nails and breath that smelled of yellow maps gossiped in sibilant, papery whispers.

“But we can’t go in,” Chacko explained, “because we’ve been locked out. And when we look in through the windows, all we see are shadows. And when we try and listen, all we hear is a whispering. And we cannot understand the whispering, because our minds have been invaded by a war. A war that we have won and lost. The very worst sort of war. A war that captures dreams and re-dreams them. A war that has made us adore our conquerors and despise ourselves.”

“Marry our conquerors, is more like it,” Ammu said dryly, referring to Margaret Kochamma.

Chacko ignored her. He made the twins look up Despise. It said: To look down upon; to view with contempt, to scorn or disdain. Chacko said that in the context of the war he was talking about–the War of Dreams–Despise meant all those things.

“We’re Prisoners of War,” Chacko said. “Our dreams have been doctored. We belong nowhere. We sail unanchored on troubled seas. We may never be allowed ashore. Our sorrows will never be sad enough. Our joys never happy enough. Our dreams never big enough. Our lives never important enough. To matter.”

#wow #looking for quotes really helped #although reading them to myself made me cry #it's just so good #asks

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ot3-watch · 3 years

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Episode 5: The Mile High Job

WHY IS THIS EPISODE 8

FUCK THE NETWORK I’M VERY TIRED

So we’re starting on a client testimony. Which is sad because I kind of like the context establishing scenes

Sophie being French is hilarious

I’m not saying Hardison shouldn’t be able to take off when he needs to. I am saying that MAYBE THEY SHOULD PLAN HEISTS FOR DAYS WHEN THEY ARE A MEMBER SHORT?

Also, why does Hardison not put his food on a plate before he puts it in the microwave. That spinning plate does not get washed nearly enough for that to be sanitary

OK wait did Hardison just flake out? THEN WHY DID THEY NOT POSTPONE?

THEY SHOULD HAVE PLANNED THIS MUCH BETTER

I love Parker being magic and teleporting

The security guards always seem like idiots and tbh, working where I work with the security guards being who they are, I feel like it’s all bullshit and a disservice to security guards.

I love the Doctor WHo references. TOM AND SARAH JANE BAKER YES MA’AM

But also did no one make a Doctor Who comment? Like really. I know Tom Baker is probably a common name but I really want to know what happens when they get a whovian checking their IDs

THe poor flight attendant. That sucks. Can you imagine getting a COMPLETELY fake call that your cat might be put down? I’m sorry, I can’t. Completely innocent people get screwed by them sometimes and I feel bad

Eliot remembers everyone he’s slept with I love him.

THIS POOR FLIGHT ATTENDANT? WHat happens when she comes back and everyone is side eyeing her and being bitchy?

I hate the trope of girlfriends or love interests being overly sensitive about people remembering tiny details. Especially when they aren’t actually together. Especially when it happened years ago. Especially when they hold it against them for the whole episode.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE TERRIBLE MEMORIES OK

Also, this is Nate. It’s a shock he has any brain cells left with how drunk he is 99% of the time. Get OVER yourself Sophie.

PLACE YOUR MASK OVER YOUR MOUTH AND NOSE ok Leverage predicting the future…

Parker being a terrible flight attendant is hilarious

Did I like her in this episode? I think I liked her in this episode

Eliot suffering through economy I can’t

I feel bad for the woman, but like… stop pushing? I know she’s nervous but the flight attendant is trying to do her job. I mean, it’s Parker, but in any normal situation…

Hardison pulls the same “You’re such a racist” bit every time he gets in a sticky situation, and it always works? Can you imagine if he tried to pull that on an actual racist?

Do planes have bars like that? I’ve been on plenty of planes and i’ve never seen a bar like that

Im never in first class though so whatever

OKAY GUYS THE IN-FLIGHT MOVIE IS ONE OF THE LIBRARIANS MOVIES

Which means noah wyle exists in the leverage universe.

HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK WITH THE REBOOT THOUGH?

Unless they just… expected no one to notice? To be fair, it’s not like they focused on it

They probably just needed a movie they could use without securing rights first or running into copyright issues

But still… paradoxes

Eliot just going through a bunch of random people's bags…

HE AND PARKER MOVING AROUND EACH OTHER SO COMFORTABLY THOUGH

THIS IS SEASON ONE WHY ARE THEY SO GOOD TOGETHER ALREADY

I LOVE THEM GUYS

Parker. That’s not reassuring Parker. Parker that’s just terrifying. WHY WOULD YOU SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT PARKER?? pARKER?? i’M CONCERNED PARKER!

I really hate Sophie getting mad at nate for this shit. It’s not funny. It’s not cute. It just makes Sophie seem unreasonable and bitchy

OK BUT Hardison and the woman bonding IMMEDIATELY over nerdy gaming is so great

Also i like that they made the other nerd a woman is great

OK but he is not talking nearly silently enough for the ONLY other person in the room to just stop listening to him?

Could you imagine the person you were talking to randomly stops talking, looks upset, and then sticks his head in the cabinet? And starts muttering to himself?

LIKE EITHER HE CAN’T TELL REALITY FROM FANTASY OR HES A SPY

WHY ARE YOU NOT SUSPICIOUS??

He really does pull this shit off really well.

The amount of men in that conference room is oppressive and very realistic ina very sad way

Parker must be in a thief’s paradise

OKAY I REMEMBER NOW AND I DID LIKE PARKER IN THIS EPISODE

“Nobody tells me anything”

THAT’S SUCH A MOOD

Literally the job I’m working in right now is exactly like that

My job is literally to know things and help people and provide them with the information they need

AND STILL I’M ONE OF THE LAST TO FIND THINGS OUT

IT’S VERY FRUSTRATING OK

WHy can I not remember why they’re going after genegrow? Someone died I think? But i cannot remember

“The guy in 1D wants to kill you. Ginger Ale?”

Why is it that all i can think about right now is harry styles and niall horan

I mean I KNOW why but like… why

I LOVE them but why?

WHAT IS THIS OFFICE WOMAN’S NAME I LOVE HER

How does no one question Hardison showing up out of nowhere though?

Im just saying… supposedly it’s “Dave’s” birthday, and they think they should have already known about it? He just started that job on that day?

Unless he’s pretending to have been there forever but even then…

This makes no sense? I’m so confused?

Eliot beating a guy up in an airport bathroom is fantastic

But also you can’t fit one person in a airport bathroom, let alone two

THe view from the top is much smaller than the shots from the side

Parker: the guy we just took out? Eliot: -_- Parker: The guy Eliot just took out?

Sophie always seems so shocked by the inhumanity of some of these people they interact with. Nate’s like “Yeah, people are awful” and Eliot’s like “I see worse all the time” and Parker’s like “Is this meant to be weird or something?” but Sophie’s like “WHAt? Someone wants people DEAD? And might KILL US IN THE PROCESS?”

Is the art theft world just not so violent?

Even hardison doesn’t seem shocked, just upset and offended. Sophie’s always like OoO though and it gets weird?

Now both Eliot AND Nate are fitting in the bathroom? With an already unconscious guy? I’VE BEEN IN AIRPLANE BATHROOMS. THEY AREN’T BIG ENOUGH FOR THAT.

Unless i’m just fat. Which is an option.

Why do people have random wires in their luggage? Who travels with a giant bundle of wires in their luggage?

Oh look. The red head was right. There is a tailwind

OK But THE OXYGEN MASKS CAME DOWN AND NO ONE IS TRYING TO PUT ONE ON?

I know they’re panicking but still

Nate really does just throw things at hardison and then Hardison goes like WHAT I CAN’T DO THIS and then he does it.

HOW is Hardison THAT talented it’s ridiculous

WE all talk about Eliot being hyper-competent in everything when Hardison is literally right there

Not to say that eliot doesn’t deserve attention because he does and I love him

I LOVE ELIOT OKAY

I’m just saying Hardison deserves more credit

HOW DID THEY NOT HIT ANY CARS WHEN THEY WERE LANDING? THERE ARE CARS RIGHT THERE? ANd then there’s suddenly no cars in font of them when they land ? It’s all deserted?

HARDISON IS SO GOOD THOUGH

How did they set up a party for “Dave” so quickly?

WHY DOES NO ONE LOOK TO SEE WHO DAVE WAS YELLING AT?

Everyone is so done with Hardison and honestly? Fair. He might’ve saved them, but he also screwed them over earlier. It came in handy, but still.

I really could not give less of a shit about the Nate Sophie storyline in this episode. In most of season one really. It’s all shitty and annoying

FINAL THOUGHTS: 8/10. Points off for people not acting like people. Points off for the shitty Sophie/Nate stuff. Extra points for Eliot being Eliot. (There will always be extra points for Eliot being Eliot). Extra points for Hardison’s badassery. Extra points because I liked Parker in this episode. Extra points for nerd girl. You go nerd girl. Points off because I literally remember nothing about this episode except for Hardison being awesome, the office scenes, and the fact that there was a plane crash. Why were they on the plane? No idea. Can’t remember.

Sam count: 3/5

IYS count: 2/5 (Am I remembering this wrong? I felt like there were more? Then again, I’m only 5 episodes in)

#leverage #leverage ot3 #leverage rewatch #eliot spencer #parker #alec hardison #nathan ford #sophie devereaux #episode 5 #the mile high job #rewatch #ot3

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Supernatural Rewatch Ramblings: Dead in the Water

This episode is the first one to be directed by Kim Manners. It was written by Raelle Tucker and Sera Gamble. It is still the MoTW format and once again the ‘monster’ is something that was created by human action. Ordinary seeming stories—of bullying, lies, cover up—with deadly consequences.

Read below the cut for more and also watch out for the add-ons by my partner in crime @soulmates-for-real who does the most amazing gifsets and image galleries 😎

It reminded me of this quote:

“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

It is a chilling experience—both the actual monster when we do finally see it and the backstory of what really happened. These monsters are all created by the flawed human beings. Here is another quote from the same source which could well be the underlying bedrock of the two very different approaches we see Sam and Dean take in later episodes to the whole saving people hunting things.

“Since then I have come to understand the truth of all the religions of the world: They struggle with the evil inside a human being (inside every human being). It is impossible to expel evil from the world in its entirety, but it is possible to constrict it within each person.” .

Philosophical overtones aside, we are also getting more glimpses into the heads and hearts of the two leads.

It is already obvious that Dean has put the whole ‘Dad- is- missing- and- hasn’t- been-home-in -a -few-days stuff’ on the back burner till …ummm forever ? cos he has Sammy in front of his eyes who is sitting shotgun and being completely brotherly and sniping and bitching while also being boyfriend- level possessive.

As I said in the earlier review- I was just so swept away by the swashbuckling swagger of Dean that so obviously was an armour for his vulnerability that I almost didn’t notice Sam much. This is the episode where he became something more for me. Someone who was also finding out what Dean was all about at the same time as we were.

Someone who could pull him down to earth with a sharp: ‘People don’t just disappear, Dean. Other people just stop looking for them.’

But also reach out to him and remind him that they ‘can’t save everyone’.

In an early scene in the episode Sam scolds Dean for even starting to flirt with the waitress.

He smirks when Andrea shoots Dean down. He mocks Dean’s pick- up line about kids are the best. He seems pleased in a very petty way that Dean’s attempt has failed and that he has no choice now but to hang out with Sam and to give him his full attention.

The episode does have plot holes –that house Lucas draws and the history of the friendship of the two men and the missing boy surely must be well known to everyone in that small town, including Lucas’s mother and how come no one joins the dots etc. etc.

But small quibbles aside, we get to see that the past casts long shadows—whether sins of the past or just events of the past. ( again a parallel to the lives of the Winchesters themselves. And in later seasons we find out just how far back into the past those shadows reach!)

We see that Dean connects with the mute boy, Lucas, but then we learn that he can do this because he had also shut down after he saw his mother die and he knows how scary the world can seem and how he needed to make himself brave to carry on.

Sam watches from the sidelines and we can see him have an ‘oh ok’ moment as he stores away this information because it has clearly never been discussed in the family earlier. Kudos to Jared for being amazing with the ‘active listening’ that Sheila O’Malley references so often.

So despite Sam challenging him to name 3 kids he even knows, we see that Dean actually focusses on the kid throughout. The shared sense of loss aside, maybe Dean also sees himself as the protector of all little kids especially after the Shtriga incident. (which we don’t know anything about yet) (and we do see him bond with kids in every episode that involves kids. It is adorable !!)

In this episode Dean is almost drowning in his dad’s leather jacket and the way the silver ring looks on his hand is just ridiculously sexy…sigh….and that amulet right where it belongs…..deeper sigh. Then the cocky grin, the unsubtle flirting, all macho/manly/me- so- hetero/me- see- me- conquer on the outside but the soft squidgy child- whispering caramel centre, the trauma of being a motherless kid—having become motherless in a brutal way, a missing and probably almost cruel dad, a brother he raised as his own who walked out on him to go seek his own dreams….all these layers are being put together slowly for us.

Dean is not what he seemed to be and that brash swashbuckling exterior hides a very complex and interesting person. The script and direction were excellent of course but Jensen brought to it just the perfect balance of bad-boy + I wuv hugs.

Sam is still finding his way into the story and we are still watching things from Dean’s perspective as narrator which is fascinating to realize during the re-watch. As I have mentioned earlier, I was so swept away by Dean that it took me a very long time to focus on Sam as a separate person.

Ok, now, all together shout--- --WHY do people DO the following things??!!!

Put hands elbow deep into a sink, give lifts to obvious deranged malevolent spirits in human form, ‘let’s split up so we can cover more ground’, go into a shower/bath in a scary scene—can’t they HEAR the dun-dun-dun music score in the background?!! Sheesh.

Anyway. *eyeroll*

In a not- at- all- very- surprising turn of events Sam and Dean’s fake identity is called out and they are asked to leave town, which they do. But ….of course Dean does a very dramatic turn on the highway and takes them back to make sure the kid is ok!

Then Sam rescues the mother from the lethal bath- tub while Dean makes sure the kid is safe. Then they start to connect even more dots and eventually we see an incredible heroic rescue scene in the scary lake with Dean and the boy.

Jensen had described this shot in some interview as the most terrifying scene he had ever done apparently because he was responsible not only for doing the scene right but also for the young boy’s safety underwater.

What a fabulous visual we do get finally, with the boy in his embrace as they shoot out of the water!

That lake with its dark water is one super creepy place. That very first scene where we see the girl swimming from an underwater perspective had me yelling at the screen for her to GET OUT NOW.

So, finally, all is sorted and revenge has been had and bad folks die, good folks live and as they leave the town of course Lucas chats with Dean and they high five and just like the sister in the Wendigo episode, the young mother in this one also gives Dean a kiss on his cheek. Dean of course blushes and goes all gruff and drives off with Sam smirking in the shotgun seat.

The pattern is beginning to be established.

I am loving it!😍

The gag reel of this episode shows Jensen leaping into Jared’s arms.

This is the third episode only. So they have known each other only for a couple of months at this point?! Hmm…my J2 tinhat is also shining. And also wow. I mean Jensen is NOT a tiny guy.

Here are some other possibly more erudite and informed reviews if you would like to go down that rabbit hole like I did.

This one is cool https://the-orbit.net/entequilaesverdad/2016/05/10/supernatural-s1-e3-dead-water-summary/ and gives a fun and interesting score at the end which goes like this

Episode 3 counts:

Woman in the Fridge: 1

For Sophie Carlton being the first to get murdered by the vengeful spirit. It’s obviously meant to hook us harder: I mean, nobody would care as much about obnoxious brother Will, right?

Revenge from Beyond the Grave: 4

Sophie Carlton, Will Carlton, Bill Carlton, and Jake Devins.

Brotherly Love: 2

I had to give one to Sam for cock-blocking his brother right at the start. Another point goes to Dean’s sick-of-your-attitude lecture to his little brother, throwing Sam’s decision to go to college while Dean stayed behind with their dad in his face.

Toxic Masculinity: 1

For Dean downplaying his grief when Sam draws him out about the aftermath of their mother’s death.

Swimming in Sexism: 2

For Will Carlton’s comment to his sister that “guys don’t like buff girls.” I added a point for all the times they had Dean hitting on any available woman. They do want us to be extra-very sure he’s hetero, don’t they?

Cumulative Counts: Dean’s Man Tears: 3

One point awarded for all Dean’s choking up about Mom. We’re now three for three, folks.

This review totally calls out Dean LOL. I love the reviews that were written as first watch because they are without the benefit of hindsight we have on a re-watch.

http://markwatches.net/reviews/2013/11/mark-watches-supernatural-s01e03-dead-in-the-water/

“It was fascinating to me, then, that through this, Sam was able to learn about Dean’s own emotional reasoning behind his hunting. Of course, Dean, being the most stereotypical dude of all dudes who ever duded, has to immediately act like feelings aren’t cool because BLEH. Okay, that is one aspect of Dean that I’m not terribly interested in, especially since he expresses feelings like every five seconds. The whole “I am a straight man and I’m very straight and look at that butt straight I’m straight” thing is already exhausting because I get it. You don’t need to tell me this every five seconds.”

The comments to this review are also super entertaining with gems like this:

“So, if you knew that someone had drowned in the lake recently and their body was never found, WHY WOULD YOU STILL GO SWIMMING IN THE LAKE? Especially if two people had. It wouldn't make you think, "Hey, maybe there's something dangerous in that lake?" This show has some of the least genre savvy people EVER. Like, for example, once this mysterious death thing shows up in a sink, why would anyone want to take a bath or really ever fill any basin with water again? Seriously, is this the Bad Decision Olympics?”

Here is an awesome review from Fangasm also

https://fangasmthebook.com/2021/01/13/looking-back-on-dead-in-the-water-classic-supernatural/

#spn meta #spn #spn review #j2 #j2 tinhat #wincest

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The Dead are Already Here

Looking at the teaser and previous trailers, we are confronted by some interesting possibilities. At this point we are 1/3 complete with the show, putting us firmly into the rising action part of the story.

The very last scene before the episode ended was Jon and Daenerys looking out from the battlements on the encroaching army. But this moment is one after a big twist: Daenerys is no longer allied with Jon willingly.

In the third episode’s teaser, we see Winterfell getting ready for the battle a voice over from Sansa stating that “The most heroic thing we can do now is look the truth in the face.”

We do not know the context of this statement and it’s likely not stated to Daenerys. Sansa is still unaware about Jon and I imagine that remains true at least until the end of the episode, if not later than that.

However, we know narratively that the truth is loyalties have changed because of a hidden secret. Daenerys is no longer loyal to Jon and Jon cannot be loyal to Daenerys because of this breakdown of the alliance.

Daenerys told herself in the beginning that she arrived in Winterfell to save the living, but the truth was that she was doing it for the man she loved who no longer loves her. Daenerys was never being heroic, she was being self-interested... and now her self-interest has fractured.

Right now, Daenerys is thinking about the people she knows loves her: Jorah, Missandei, and Greyworm. As well as the Dothraki, Unsullied, and freed slaves.

She will likely favor her own forces and allow the Starks to be overrun so that her competition to the throne, Jon and the North, dies in the Battle of Winterfell.

I don’t think she’ll do this consciously, and I do think she will regret it, but it will be the first indication of her shifting allegiances.

And it makes sense. Remember... Daenerys has been betrayed.

In the show, it’s a lot easier to identify with the Starks, but Daenerys’s POV was not something that went unexplored in Essos even though it has no direct connection to the plot until season seven. We know her struggles, we know her. And in the books, she will be betrayed by Jon and it’s going to hurt.

Even though the Starks are heroes and Daenerys is destined to be a Mad Queen villain, had the story been written from her perspective entirely the Starks would not be heroic characters. They would be the villains.

So when Daenerys lets Winterfell get overrun, it will make sense and be justified from her POV.

However, when Daenerys says “the dead are already here” there is something to realize about that clip.

It’s at the start of the battle, and neither Jon nor Daenerys look exhausted or frazzled. It’s possible she says this in connection to Jon questioning her willingness to fight... but of course, she is going to fight because she needs to protect her army.

Which is part of the issue Daenerys realized she was in at the end of the episode: she is being used for her dragons and army... and she can’t do anything about it.

But knowing that Cersei is about to betray them, Daenerys is likely to do something advantageous to her.

Winterfell clearly gets overrun more than the allies intended because things look dire in a few clips. Jon and Theon also clearly are in the Godswood fighting someone. They always wanted the Night King to get close, but not that close, which tells me something went wrong.

However, the clip with Daenerys and Jon can’t be about the dead rising in the crypts. It’s too soon. That means it is said in context of something else, and I think it really is as simple as Daenerys confirming she is going to fight despite what Jon had told her. We know she is very recently angry

The teaser just plays on our expectations about the crypt to obscure how meaningful the conflict between Jon and Daenerys is actually going to be.

We know from the season trailer that Jon and Daenerys’s relationship gets a lot colder by the time they reach Dragonstone because Jon turns away in quite a mood from behind Daenerys’s back. They were in disagreement about something.

I suspect that they won’t have a complete fallout right away though, but the first hints of it will be apparent to the viewer in the Battle of Winterfell.

But how does the episode end?

That’s the weird thing.

Nobody knows. Like the wonderful and somewhat unexpected Hardhome, the leaks and the placement of this episode in reference to the others make it difficult to determine what is going to happen. A lot of the leaks and our expectations just don’t match up.

Will the Night King really be defeated in the next episode?

Maybe.

But maybe not.

There have been a whole host of leaks, but there are two that people talk about the most in reference to this episode which seems to be verifiable and directly relevant:

Winterfell burns

A redheaded girl dies

On the first, other leaks suggest that the survivors of the battle need to retreat to Dragonstone, and indeed Jon and Daenerys do end up at Dragonstone eventually.

However, regardless of what happens, that means the living actually gets a good hit on the dead despite losing a major castle if they were able to retreat.

We also clearly see that Winterfell gets overrun and there is a lot of uncontrolled fire.

The second?

Well, that’s the weirdest leak of them all. Leakers have been adamant that they see a dead redhead, though people have differed on whether or not it is Alys or Sansa.

I suspect this is a mild twist to the series, though not the major one GRRM talked about happening.

One important fact to consider is that before Alys Karstark was revealed as a character, people thought she was Sophie Turner’s body double. You can still see indications of this in old leaks. There were even people who thought Alys would die in Sophie’s place while watching season seven!

But it really seems impossible that Sansa would die. She has at least another costume change, which Arya does not, and further leaks suggest she had film roles in the south.

This makes the Alys Karstark death theory easy to believe.

Why bring Alys back and give her such a prominent role? Why make her look so much like Sansa? There is no reason for her to exist. The North is effectively represented by the Starks and Lyanna Mormont cinematically.

The real question is why it is so important for Sansa to appear dead, and in that, we have two specific answers: Daenerys benefits too much from Sansa’s death. So does Cersei.

The most popular theory right now is that Cersei is going to kidnap Sansa. That seemed like a really reasonable general audience fandom opinion given other leaks. The Golden Company is eventually going to attack the allies, and Cersei has unfinished business with Sansa.

However, it doesn’t appear to be shaping up that way.

We haven’t seen Cersei give instructions to have Sansa kidnapped, and Bronn’s instructions were to kill Tyrion and Jaime. It’s possible that this was done off-screen, but it would have been more narratively interesting to have Cersei or the Qyburn drop a hint that they have a special task that needs to be done, even if they don’t mention Sansa by name. It would increase suspense.

That means that it seems unlikely Sansa being kidnapped is a big part of their plans. At best, it would only be incidental.

I also don’t believe it will happen because there is every indication Sansa is still in Winterfell after the battle: We see Sansa standing in a courtyard of Winterfell.

This has not yet happened, and the Battle of Winterfell occurs at night. We know this from the trailer and teaser as well as the leaks. Also, the cast really complained about the agony of the experience as being one of the worst in their life.

Some people theorize this is just an unused clip from episode 2. That makes sense because Winterfell is clearly still standing above, but I also think not all of Winterfell burnt down.

It’s hard to burn stone. Even the castle that was famously burnt by dragonfire, Harrenhal, remained standing and was still usable, if seriously damaged. There is no reason to think the same couldn’t be true of Winterfell, especially since it had burnt in the books recently and a lot of the damage was repaired.

However, when you compare where Sansa must be standing I think it brings up some interesting possibilities:

Sansa is likely looking at the gates of Winterfell. You don’t see the gate in this shot, but I chose this particular angle because the stair shape is clear and the other courtyard in Winterfell doesn’t appear to have it. This is also not the same courtyard that Jon and Daenerys went through in their arrival.

Castles tend to have multiple gates, and Winterfell is no exception.

There are some differences from the books, but it is clear that there is a front and back entrance. The front entrance (green) is stately and is meant for reception, while the back entrance (red) is a private courtyard connected to a lot of castle workshops.

The back entrance appears to have a large staging area and seems to be where people in Winterfell depart from, given it is the same location Jon left from before he departed for Dragonstone. That means it’s also connected to the crypts.

In the books, we may have some other clues. There are actually multiple gates from the inner castle. One leads to the Kingsroad and Wintertown, the East Gate - the one Daenerys certainly went through, and the other is called the Hunter’s Gate, which is used to avoid Wintertown and for hunting parties... basically a private gate. It is also connected to the kitchen. So the East Gate is the green entrance here and the Hunter’s Gate is the red entrance.

Winterfell has actually undergone significant construction since Jon left for Dragonstone. Below is actually one of the gates. The sept didn’t have a big building around it like it does in Season 8, nor are there dozens of other buildings inside the walls. That said, I think they made some general adjustments to its design since the last season and it’s not a 1:1 representation from season to season.

I bring up all this castle architecture because it’s rather important and I need you to realize there are two gates... which means it is possible for someone to get in and out of Winterfell without someone on the other side knowing.

The Hunter’s Gate also canonically leads to a small wood in both the show and the book called the Wolfswood, though I think the small wood seen in a lot of aerial views is not the wolfswood, but likely a lumber yard for the castle.

But all this means is that I can tell you exactly where that screenshot is happening in the books.

Red

The courtyard and the Hunter’s Gate.

Green

The crypts, broken tower, and entrance to the Godswood.

There appears to be a small courtyard behind the two buildings. These two buildings are where we see Sansa wave goodbye to Jon in the Hunter’s Gate courtyard, and it appears to be an important overlook for people inside the Castle... especially the Starks. Makes sense. It appears the Godswood is behind it and the stables. The building is probably offices and other important rooms.

The L-shape is about where the entrance to the crypts resides. I think the L-part is actually an enclosed hallway up top leading to the Maester’s turret and rookery, so that’s why you always see them receiving messages there.

Orange

This is where the battlements are, and that means Sansa has been looking not at the Kingsroad when she has had her battlements scene. The reason why she is there is because it is a private area of the castle. It also appears to be one of the tallest parts of the castle.

However, it actually has significant personal value to her as well. It is the same location where she jumped off the top with Theon. It reminds her of her own strength. There is a small archway that leads to the courtyard.

Point is, this entire courtyard area is an important part of the castle. It’s right near the Godswood, the crypts, and the place where messages are sent. It’s also near the back exit of the castle... and it’s where you’d expect Sansa to be close to during the attack.

What this means

The Hunter’s Gate faces to the west in the books. The East Gate faces the Kingsroad to the east. However, the show clearly points to this actually being the North, for whatever reason. So we need to re-orient ourselves a little canonically.

It’s clear that, while in the books Sansa has to be looking at the west from the battlements, that she is actually looking at the south, because the Hunter’s Gate is facing south in this picture and it’s clear that courtyard is the one being represented in the south.

Also, you have to love the medieval accuracy of the lack of three-dimensional shapes!

Green is a weird area that I think is likely to be where Davos, Tyrion, and Jorah will light the fires. It also has to be where Daenerys and Jon saw the White Walkers advancing towards Winterfell. It makes sense given the sheer density of the area on the battleplan map.

Red is the battlements where Sansa likes to spend her time. If you notice, it actually got smaller in season eight compared to season seven to likely account for more areas needed in filming. However, there is clearly some sort of lookout there.

Blue has to be the crypts. Nothing else makes sense, and the horses would be nearby anyway.

As for the actual battle layout, we know that Brienne is leading the left flank. In the teaser for the third episode and in the trailer, we see her with Vale soldiers. However, she leads the left flank and according to the battle layout there are no Vale soldiers in her formation. In the teaser she states that they need to stand their ground. I suspect the Vale forces have been annihilated and the survivors were pushed back.

Because we later see Pod and Jaime in Winterfell when it is on fire, my theory is that they end up getting cut off from the rest of the army and fall back to the Hunter’s Gate.

Perhaps the Vale soldiers are the ones Daenerys ends up sacrificing. Who knows.

I’ve heard some people say that it looks like Jaime is actually saying Bronn in his trailer scene. Maybe. It’s an interesting theory and might give Bronn a task to do related to Winterfell if he attacks with the Golden Company.

However, it’s entirely possible the Golden Company never attacks because I think that the two people following Arya may be Beric and the Hound. They are the only two other people I see inside the castle in the teaser.

But they really don’t look like the duo to me. They don’t look undead.

Futhermore, I think that occurs after whatever happens on the walls, and those invaders look suspiciously alive.

So I have two theories for these scenes:

The wights climb the walls of Winterfell and chase Arya down the halls, eventually turning Beric and the Hound

The Golden Company makes a surprise visit and Beric and the Hound ultimately work to save Arya

I like the second one. People have been clamoring for Cleganebowl, and it might be really interesting to have had it happen at Winterfell. Cersei didn’t get her elephant, so she’ll send the biggest man she knows to get the job done. Okay - the cleganebowl is probably just wishing thinking on my part.

However, I do want to get back to geography because you can probably guess the significance of the battlements and the Hunter’s Gate - it’s to the south. And where would the Golden company attack from?

The south.

We already have one battle in which forces from the south turned the tide of the war for the castle’s side - the Battle of the Bastards.

If the Entrance gate for some bizarre reason faces the North, that means that Stannis also attacked from the North and it also appears like Jon did too. That makes sense - Sansa and Theon jumped from the battlements facing the south and likely used the element of surprise to wind their way around the castle.

It also probably explains why Brienne was able to find them - because Sansa and Theon had run through the Wolfswood the long way around and passed her, and then the pursuers passed her too.

Notice also in the flight scene that it is related to another flight scene - Sansa and Theon cross a river and Jon and Daenerys seem to stop by some part of that river too.

But where are Sansa and Arya before everything goes down?

The Hunter’s Gate - the back entrance.

Who knows, maybe it’s the two doofuses up there who are chasing Arya as the undead in Winterfell... they kind of fit the profiles... OMG. But anyway...

Arya also arrives at this gate as well since she came from the south and likely knew it was the least militarized door since it doesn’t face Winter Town.

Why do I say that?

Because the North is a Northern kingdom, and I assume it was oriented towards the North because all their greatest threats came from that direction. Therefore, the reception gate is going to be in the North.

But the south?

They had Moat Cailin and the Neck to prevent themselves from the Andal invasion. My guess is that the Kingsroad passes the south entrance and Winterfell entirely and instead there are two roads which break off and direct towards those entrances. That seems to be the case by the stone marker on the road in the pilot.

Jon and Daenerys arrived at the Northern gate because it is the reception gate... and not because it is the closest part of the castle.

The Knights of the Vale did not attack from the direction that Jon and Stannis attacked Winterfell previously. They came from the south and were able to disguise their approach because of the rolling hills surrounding Winterfell and the general lack of awareness of southern threats.

Basically, the geography that helped Sansa escape Winterfell is also the geography that will lead to its demise - because the castle is not designed for a southern siege, and an army doesn’t appear to be able to move easily because of the river bisecting the Kingsroad. There is likely some sort of bridge that is normally guarded, so unless you have a two-front battle you can’t slink past Winterfell and attack it from the south if you aren’t already in the south.

Now it’s possible the above picture from the teaser is Sansa and Arya looking out from the density where the soldiers are preparing their fire, but I believe they may actually be above the Hunter’s Gate or the Battlements. It’s hard to tell, but I think it’s a good prediction since I imagine Sansa and Arya, even if they are not in the Godswood, would want to stay as close to Bran as possible.

There are some other interesting tidbits about the original trailer:

The Northern forces head back to the castle.

We see horses coming from the opposing direction and they aren’t dead.. and they look like they are in formation heading towards something.

I’m guessing the mounted calvary is on the front line (the Dothraki are - poor bastards), so if things get dark I doubt there are going to be too many mounted forces to ride back to Winterfell.

So maybe the Golden company, and we see it coming from the opposing direction because they are enemy soldiers.

So what does this all mean

I think it’s possible that either white walkers or the golden company attack the Hunter’s Gate - the least defended part of the castle when Brienne’s flank gets overrun. Their attack causes a fire, and I think this is the reason the crypts are penetrated. It’s possible the dead can’t rise in the crypts unless a white walker gets down there first, and when the castle is breached, it will be a lot easier for white walkers to follow in behind.

Either way, Sansa and Arya get separated at some point in the episode either by choice or because of the siege.

We have no indication of what happens to Sansa except the leaks and that one tiny clip.

It’s not unreasonable to assume there is some charred castle behind her, and she looks weird in this picture. Pretty, but almost wistful or mourning - like she’s watching something but she doesn’t want to see it.

If this is a future scene, not only does Sansa makes it out alive, she looks healthy too.

So how does that happen if Arya and possibly the crypts are overrun?

Maybe Sansa was left behind.

Perhaps Sansa is attacked or kidnapped during the siege, but whatever happens, she survives the attempt and hides in the wolfswood or some dark part of the castle (like the broken tower) which is not searched before the allies leave for Dragonstone.

Because the Hunter’s Gate is the gate residents leave through because of all the workshops, Sansa is looking at the gate and watching them leave from the ground since the castle is so unstable.

Jon and the others are unaware she is alive because they believed they found her dead.

However, we know the following about Sophie Turner and Sansa:

She seems happy with the ending but previously feared her character’s death

Sophie was the first person to contact the showrunners after the scripts were released

She was allowed to take a scroll from set that is a major spoiler

She was given a storyboard of her final scene (either filmed or the final scene she is in)

That storyboard is something nobody realizes is a spoiler but is significant to Sansa otherwise she wouldn’t have been given that one

The showrunners say that Sansa has grown more than anyone else from a weak character to a political player

My theory is that Sansa is attacked but escapes during the battle. She hides and does not come out because she was targeted by Daenerys (or she realizes her forces were through Brienne or Jaime).

She learns that Jon is the true heir to the Iron Throne, perhaps during the battle itself, and the scroll she has been carrying is her letter plotting to recruit other houses against Daenerys. Perhaps she sends it from the surviving ravens.

Sansa shores up an army after most of Jon’s army was defeated (and thus the threat against Daenerys neutralized).

And the storyboard? The one nobody realizes is a spoiler?

Because Sansa and Jon return to Winterfell to rebuild it, and the last scene is of them sitting together in the Great Hall as King and Queen - something that has already happened and nobody would think is a spoiler.

#jonsa

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A Lady’s Armour - Some thoughts on Sansa Stark’s season 8 black dress (part 2)

The final season of Game of Thrones is airing next month and promo season is upon us, which means a first look at the new costumes. A few weeks back Sophie Turner caused a bit of a stir when she told Entertainment Weekly that Sansa Stark would be wearing jet-black leather armour in the final season of the show. Promotional photos revealed this be more of a warrior dress than actual armour. Turner was photographed wearing what looks to become a show-stopping blue-black leather dress composed of innumerable tiny leather flaps composed in an overlapping pattern.

It is a dress that has caused much speculation online - what is that overlapping pattern supposed to represent? Are they supposed to represent feathers, dragon scales or fish scales? In my previous essay on this costume, I considered various possibilities and found that the most likely answer is that the dress is supposed to evoke fish scales as the texture of the costume is extremely similar to the leather armour of House Tully, the family that Sansa’s mother was born into and while Sansa’s costumes has included subtle references to her mother’s House in the past, those references have always been connected to her mother’s style and never to the clothes of the male members of House Tully.

However, Sansa’s new dress not only evokes elements from her previous costumes, it also is a bit similar to a costume worn by Cersei Lannister, which is what I intend to discuss in this essay.

DARK SANSA

Besides fish scales, the texture of Sansa’s new costume also evokes feathers. I want to return to the feathers because it is an element that has appeared in some Sansa’s previous costumes and the question remains what these feathered costumes mean in relation to her story on the show. The use of actual feather as a costume element that is unique to Sansa’s character - and they appear in two costumes that have been worn in seasons 4-5 and 6.

The black dress with the collar of raven feathers that she dons at the end of season 4 as well as the dark grey dress with the feathered panel on her bodice that she wears in season 7.

The black colour and the iridescence of the leather dress primarily brings the raven dress to mind. It was a costume that caused quite a bit of attention both in the fandom and in the press, where it is often referred to Sansa’s Maleficent-dress (x).

David Benioff about that moment in the season 4 finale when Sansa appears in her new black dress: “We call it Dark Sansa” (Silk, Leather and Chainmail: Costumes of Season 4). It is a sort in-joke between the crew and Michele Clapton also uses this term once (x). But this dress is generally interpreted as an expression of Sansa stepping onto a darker path by the audience (x).

Sansa Stark only started wearing black when she came under the influence of Petyr Baelish - so does a return to the colour black indicate that Sansa will go dark in season 8? That she’ll plot against Daenerys who comes to Winterfell expecting to be hailed as their new Queen? That she’ll plot against Jon because he allied with Daenerys and bent the knee? Well, one of Sophie’s new interviews can certainly be read that way - if you are entrenched in the idea of Dark Sansa.

“Sansa this season is very much enjoying becoming a leader in her own right, and this year there are certain challenges by people who threaten that.” (Sophie Turner, EW)

Personally, I very much doubt that Sansa will turn dark in the final season of the show - that narrative of her being tempted by power and Baelish’s ambitions was resolved in season 7. However, it is worth keeping in mind that the showrunners like to tease Dark Sansa very much as part of their game of misdirection since they value surprising narrative twists to shock the audience. Fx the promise of Sansa becoming a dark femme fatale that the black raven dress teased in the finale of season 4 never materialized. Instead, we saw Sansa put in another, even more abusive situation in season 5.

In season 7, the showrunners teased Dark Sansa once more because they wanted to mislead the audience regarding the conflict between Sansa and Arya. This is an excerpt from the script:

However, the scripts are written in terms of audience perspective, i.e. what the showrunners want the audience to think at the various moments of the narrative. Shortly afterwards, the show revealed that there was no Dark Sansa - the whole thing was a ruse to trick Baelish - and the audience.

So despite the Dark Sansa nickname, the black raven feathered costume never signified Sansa turning to the dark side in the game of thrones. In this context, it is actually very important that Sansa wears her dress with the feathered panel, which refers back to the raven dress, when she pronounces the sentence of death on Baelish - because the feathers refer to her time under his tutelage:

“There’s feathers again from her time in the Eyrie.” (Michele Clapton, UpRoxx)

This particular costume is also a sort of deconstruction of the black raven dress as @lostlittlesatellites points out (x). It is, in fact, a repudiation of Baelish and his ambitions since the feathers represent her time under his tutelage.

Despite people thinking that the black raven dress signifies a darker turn for Sansa with her becoming some kind of evil femme fatale, this aspect was actually never mentioned when costumier Michele Clapton discussed this particular costume:

“We’ve always known that Sansa makes her own clothes, so it was a very deliberate decision of hers, to change and say, ‘I’m not going to be pushed around. I’m going to take charge.’ […] “When she comes down the stairs, she’s playing with it like, ‘This is me, taking control of this situation.’” (Michele Clapton, The Cut)

David and Dan came to me with the idea of a transformation for Sansa. They wanted her to be her own woman rather than this victim. […] It’s meant to be as if she is somewhat reborn while mourning for all that she has lost. […] The metal piece is really a miniature of Arya’s sword, Needle, and the idea is that there’s a ring that you stitch through and then that’s her weapon. I like that she carries it when she descends the stairs, now she’s armed and it’s a link to her family.

It’s so easy to make someone look strong, but if you don’t think about the story, it’s kind of a wasted gesture. She could have probably looked even more amazing if I had put the reasoned arguments of where it could have come from aside, but ultimately, it makes it a stronger look if it’s a more believable transition. (Michele Clapton, Inside HBO’s Game of Thrones season 3 and 4)

When Clapton speaks of this costume it is solely within the context of transformation, strength and mourning. People have tendency to equate black with “evil” because it is an age-old symbolic connection in Western culture - but when it comes to the costumes in Game of Thrones we have to compare how Clapton uses the colour, both in relation to other characters as well as within the narrative arc of the individual character.

Mourning

When it comes to the colour black, Clapton primarily uses it as a sign of mourning. Cersei and Margaery don black dresses after the death of Joffrey and while Cersei’s grief is genuine, Margery’s is performative yet she still wears black because she’s now a Dowager Queen like Cersei. Olenna also wears black after the deaths of her son and her grand-children in season 6. At the end of season 4, Sansa has lost her father, her mother and her eldest brother - and had been forced to witness her enemies mock those deaths - and while she knows that Arya is alive, she believes Bran and Rickon to be dead. In King’s Landing she couldn’t mourn her dead family openly so it makes sense for her to adopt the colour black when she’s finally free of King’s Landing and the Lannisters. This is actually the first time that she can express her grief openly.

Transformation

The raven dress also marks a complete change of style for Sansa - one that she authors herself as we actually see her making this costume.

“We’ve always known that Sansa makes her own clothes, so it was a very deliberate decision of hers, to change” (Michele Clapton, The Cut)

The raven dress thus signals a sort of rebirth, of Sansa trying to forge a new way ahead, reinventing herself.

One thing that is noteworthy about the raven dress is the plunging neckline, which is a completely new element because Sansa’s costumes have never been sexualized, even when when sex is explicitly brought up in her scenes (x) or when she’s made the object of other people's desire, like Tyrion’s in season 3 (x) and Baelish’ in season 4. At this point in the story, Sansa is still a virgin and really very innocent about sex - so the plunging neckline and the somewhat seductive poise she attempts in the scene when she debuts her raven dress feels like an uneasy fit. It is meant to entice, inviting the Male Gaze in a way that her costumes have never done before (or since). Sansa’s raven dress also represents her entry into the game as well as her attempt to play Baelish since she thinks that she has identified what he wants (her). She puts on an identity that doesn’t fit her because she isn’t a seductive femme fatale, she’s still an innocent who is attempting to enter a game she hasn’t mastered yet.

Strength

Clapton also talks about the raven dress in terms of strength. Sansa has created this dress as a way to to express her wish not to be a victim anymore:

“When she comes down the stairs, she’s playing with it like, ‘This is me, taking control of this situation.’” (Michele Clapton, The Cut)

David and Dan came to me with the idea of a transformation for Sansa. They wanted her to be her own woman rather than this victim. (Michele Clapton, Inside HBO’s Game of Thrones season 3 and 4)

So while the raven dress is, in a sense, Sansa trying on an identity that doesn’t quite fit her (seductive femme fatale), it also serves as an attempt to project strength.

When it comes to the connection between the raven dress and the season 8 leather dress, we have to try to determine which of these aspects (mourning, transformation, strength) of the raven are applicable to the new season 8 costume. In my opinion, Sansa’s new costume is first and foremost an image of strength - but whereas the raven dress was Sansa’s way of trying to make herself feel strong, her season 8 battle dress is not just about herself. She is now a leader, the Lady of Winterfell and the head of House Stark - when she takes pains to project an image of strength through her clothes it is not just for herself but also for her people.

A dire situation

Sansa’s battle dress is black and Clapton primarily uses black as a colour of mourning - so does Sansa’s new costume indicate that she’s in mourning? She still grieves her lost family members but I don’t think that this new dress indicates a new loss. Rather, it is much more likely that it is connected to the dire situation all the characters find themselves in, which is reflected in the costumes of the three ruling women.

When talking about her plans for season 7, Clapton emphasized the use of darker colours:

The situation is becoming very serious and in some ways the darker colours sort of tell that story better ... everything is just slowly closing down and I think it makes it more oppressive. That’s the idea anyway.” (Michele Clapton, IGN Live SDCC 2016)

In season 8, the Long Night is finally upon Westeros. The situation could not be more oppressive since it is the very survival of mankind that is at stake. In that sense it is perfectly appropriate that Sansa wears a costume that is jet-black, the deepest and darkest black in the spectrum of colour. However, jet-black is a glossy colour and it is clear that Sansa’s costume reflects light. This choice is probably partly due to practical reasons so that Sansa won’t disappear in any night scenes. However, I do find the use of a glossy black that reflects light interesting because in terms of colour theory black is an achromatic colour that absorbs light.

Black is the darkest color, the result of the absence or complete absorption of visible light. It is an achromatic color, literally a color without hue, like white and gray. (Wikipedia)

In this context, using a glossy black that reflects light instead of completely absorbing it is a very interesting and suggestive choice.

LIKE CERSEI?

Many people have pointed out that Sansa’s new leather dress seem similar to Cersei’s infamous coronation gown, which is also made of black leather.

Whenever there are similarities in style between Sansa and Cersei both the fandom and the press jump to the conclusion that Sansa is becoming Cersei 2.0 and that she’ll turn against her family (x). I find this incredibly annoying because:

Sansa’s style in the later seasons is about incorporating everything that has happened to her, which also includes the people she has learnt from - and while she has learned from them, she never adopts their ambitions or their toxic “wisdom”.

Michele Clapton deliberately plays with the similarities and differences between the three ruling women in season 7 - a trend that I’m sure will continue in season 8 as well.

It is a lazy argument that doesn’t take the narrative arcs of these two characters into account.

There are certain visual similarities between some of Cersei’s seasons 6 and 7 costumes and Sansa’s new season 8 costume in that they all are black, have high collars and sport textured surfaces.

There are, however, also significant differences. Let’s begin with Cersei’s coronation dress, which she debuted in the finale of season 6 where she took the Iron Throne in her own right. While April Ferry took over as costume designer for season 6, Clapton was hired to design four costumes for the season finale (two for Daenerys and two for Cersei).

Like Sansa’s new season 8 costume, Cersei’s coronation dress is made from light-weight black leather - and it has a textured surface.

To mark the character’s triumphant milestone, the show’s Emmy-winning costume designer Michele Clapton returned to the series to create the episode’s badass costume centerpiece—a coronation gown made from lightweight Italian-cut leather (from D’Alessio Galliano) and silver and black textured brocade (from London’s Altfield). (Michele Clapton, Vanity Fair)

However, just as the similarities are important so are the differences - and there are marked differences between Cersei’s season 7 costumes and Sansa’s new season 8 gown.

Firstly, the silhouette and construction are different. Sansa’s costume is side-laced and it doesn’t have a slit to display an underskirt like Cersei’s coronation gown. Furthermore, while Sansa’s gown evokes the leather armour of the Tullys (x), she doesn’t wear actual pieces of armour like Cersei does with her steel pauldrons.

Another significant aspect is the fact that Cersei’s season 7 costumes are made of heavier fabrics that Sansa’s new leather dress. If you look at how Sansa’s new dress drapes compared to how Cersei’s season 7 dresses drape, you can see that Sansa’s dress drapes softly in a way that indicates that the material isn’t stiff or heavy. When we look at Cersei’s costumes we see the opposite, they all drape rather stiffly - even the coronation dress because while it is made of light-weight leather, this thin material is placed over textured brocade, which is a heavier fabric.

Cersei’s season 7 costumes are all stiff and heavy, which combined with the armour and the high and tight collars indicate that she is in a defensive position. She may be Queen but she is surrounded by enemies: “Enemies to the east, enemies to the west, enemies to the south, enemies to the north.”

So while Sansa’s black leather dress does have a superficial similarity with Cersei’s black leather coronation dress, that doesn’t mean that she’s turned into a mini Cersei because there are also significant differences.

It is, as I said, a lazy argument, especially since Sansa’s new warrior look references the traditional Tully armour far more than Cersei Lannister’s coronation dress. We should also bear in mind that Cersei debuts an entirely new look in season 8. Interestingly, Clapton says that Cersei’s season 7 look is in a sense a transitional look:

“With Cersei, at this point, she’s attained the throne and there’s a strength in her embroidery. It’s actually quite ornate and over the top and that’s a precursor in a funny way — it’s the last gasp before something else, in my sense.” (Michele Clapton, Insider)

We actually see the sartorial change in the very last episode of season 7 where Cersei attends the meeting in the Dragonpit wearing a dress that looks like finely wrought chain-mail under a black coat with a slashed pattern on the back.

For the stand-out dragonpit outfit in Episode 7 however, Clapton used a chain-mail style dress and a black molded coat, with one telling design ‒ a slashed pattern on the back of the queen’s coat. “I knew she was lying,” Clapton explains what inspired the look. “Something about the slashing and the twisting told you a lot about her character, a contradiction of the costume from the front. It’s almost like a sting in the tail, something on edge as you see her walk away: there’s something really disturbing about this woman.” (Michele Clapton, Making Game of Thrones)

From the promotional photos and the trailer we can see that Clapton has built Cersei’s new look around this slashed pattern. @lostlittlesatellites has written a very interesting essay on this new style of Cersei’s, arguing that the slashed pattern, which Clapton calls a “stinger”, could refer to a scorpion and that it represents an aggressive stance on Cersei’s part.

If we compare Sansa’s leather dress with Cersei’s new look, we can see that there are actually not many similarities, hardly any, in fact. They both wear a chain of some sort and there’s an symbolic “armour” aspect to both costumes but that is pretty much it.

Sansa and Cersei have unfinished business and I very much hope that we’ll get a final confrontation between the two characters - but since we only have pictures of just one of Sansa’s new costumes, we’ll have to wait to see how Sansa’s and Cersei’s differences are expressed sartorially in the final season of Game of Thrones.

To be continued...

(GIF not mine)

#game of thrones #costume design #sansa stark #cersei lannister #michele clapton #gotcostumes #gameofcostumes

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Victoria and why sub plots do actually matter to the audience

contains huge spoilers…. Here are the things you would never know if you had only started watching Victoria in season 3

Prince Albert has a brother - yes i know right? Prince Ernest who spent so much time in series 1 and 2 at the English court he practically lived there is now barely mentioned even though one of the major story arcs for series 1 and 2 was his doomed love for Harriet Sutherland who was mistress of the robes in season 1 and one of Victoria’s inner circle. Harriet too has also fallen victim to the Bermuda Triangle lurking at the heart of Buckingham Palace as she too has disappeared completely never to be mentioned again. It has also swallowed up the Duchess of Bucchleuch, Victoria’s stereotypical vinegar tongued posh old lady with a secretly kind heart (oh spare me that trope forever please) who was Victoria’s mistress of the robes after Harriet. Alfred is gay - yep, series 1 (quietly gay in the background) series 2 (massively gay in the foreground with his beloved Drummond) is now well frankly just doing reaction faces in the background and the gay is clearly never to be mentioned again he’s also apparently married - again if you had just happened on season 3 you’d think he was a single guy about court

but then that’s because Miss Coke has also fallen into the Bermuda Triangle at court aka is apparently in the country having had baby Paget which you’d only know if you’ d listened to the podcast as it wasnt mentioned in the show. Now while I am hugely glad to have been spared Alfred going full het, its pretty galling that after breaking our hearts with Drumfred and then the tone deaf proposal to Wils (who amongst us hasnt proposed whilst holding a locket containing our dead lovers hair we’d been given 30 seconds earlier amirite?) Daisy cared so little about the ship she had created she couldnt be bothered to see it through. I mean at least break my heart for something that lasted beyond the next 15 minutes Daisy! and talking of heartbreak, Mrs Skerrett is dead. Yes after again 2 series and 3 episodes of building the Skerrett Francatelli romance, Nancy is dead about 5 minutes after finally getting married and Mr Francatelli it seems will not feature much or at all in the show again.

Instead we’re meant to emotionally invest in shipping the duchess and the footman, 2 characters we’ve known for about 30 seconds. Could be possible….maybe…..but you know why on earth would we? what we know is that Victoria is basically Game of Thrones aka everyone dies or disappears except Vicbert. So we might be tempted to care about Sophie and Joseph but why would we make the effort when we know full well given daisy’s track record that one or both of them will die or disappear never to be mentioned again.

It doesnt matter how strong the central relationship is between Victoria and Albert, the audience have to care about the people around them too. If Daisy as a writer cares so little about her minor characters, why should we? and once that happens people start to think, why should I watch? and that’s when ratings tumble….

#victoria itv #victoria pbs #drumfred #skerrettelli #nancy skerrett #Charles Francatelli #Lord Alfred #Alfred Paget #prince ernest #Harriet Sutherland

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8X04

People I am about to confess you a secret; I LOVED THE EPISODE. And speaking the truth I’ve had enough on people posting bullshit, no one felt good about the Red Wedding, and yet it was amazing, one of the best plot twist I’d ever watched. If you just want everything to be perfect and epic go rewatch the lord of the rings; this show isn’t for you.

-never knowing how it’s gonna end

-suffering along your faves

-spending hundreds of hours thinking ‘bout the outcome

-then trying again

This is GOT. You thought you were going to be gifted with... That’s bullshit, you will suffer and struggle to the very end. You will be surprised (mostly in terrible ways), you will doubt, you will feel like nothing makes sense... The Night King is dead and what does that mean? We are back to good old shitty life, we are back home. I’m tagging this post as Jonsa because it’s my north, the corner of the fandom I belong to, and I am not breaking faith today, I am telling you, I don’t know how long will this post will be, but I am doing it even if I consider it to be a pain in the ass, and if anyone feels like having a deeper conversation, or need reassurance or anything, well, I’m her for them, and I will continue to do so as well as I can.

Personally I consider this episode to be everything Kit promised: a huge bunch of questions, the wheel is moving again and we are clueless. But I don’t get what people is crying all over, yes, the long night is over and yet everyone in the fandom found themselves in their darkest hour, it was tragic, it was full of angst, fuck, it was sad and yet nothing is over.

- Sansa (of course): well today (I live in Europe and I don’t wait ‘till 4AM to watch episodes) I got more confirmation (after 2 almost empty episodes) of Sansa being in love with Jon. She finally got to know who he really is. It sure was disappointing not to see Sansa’s reaction on screen (I yelled at my computer like for half an hour, but it’s not as if it wasn’t important for her, it was just hidden from us) yet we got to see her concern for Jon and even him being a Targ she still wants him to stay by her side. She couldn’t stand to watch him and Dany look happy (for the 10 seconds it lasted) And Tyrion felt something was wrong with her. I believe her telling Tyrion was the beginning of what Sophie said about turning on her family, and she was clearly pissed ‘bout the idea of Jon not coming back North. And yet she did amazing by telling Tyrion, just by that she is jeopardizing Danie’s court: that’s my girl.

- Daenerys Targaryen, the breaker of chains, khaleesi of... And all her shit: Amazing episode. She was smart (not just for the Gendry stuff) and completely right in her convo with Jon; as long as westeros recognize him as the true born son of Rhaegar her claim doesn’t exist. And don’t get it wrong it’s not like he has a super strong claim (she was right about Jon’s only witness to be Sam and Bran, your little brother and best friend saying you are the true heir sounds fishy), just look at Stannis, he was right all along as he claimed to be Robert’s heir and no one gave a shit because they never wanted HIM as a king. As Dany is not the stupid brat a lot of Jonsas seem to believe she knows that every single time westerosi lords want to disobbey they’ll have an excuse by accepting Jon’s claim as true, his identity will constantly jeopardize her authority just because he exist, it doesn’t matter what he wants ( Dany and Varys are right here) Just as Dany, Varys and Tyrion know it will happen with Sansa (something Daenerys was right as well). DARK!DANY is on the motion already. Varys knows it, Sansa knows it, Bran knows it, Arya knows it and both Jon and Tyrion were realizing it this episode ( I will come to that later). It was even fun to watch her say to Jon how she his subjects will force him to use his claim to take what is hers (if he has the claim, doesn’t it mean it was never hers to begin with?). It’s the first time that she feels all; powerfull, angry and scared at the same time. Emilia deliverance all the episode felt amazing.

-Varys and Tyrion: we still have to see Varys die... but mates i felt heartbroken for him today. I’ve loved him since season one (something that didn’t happen with Sansa for example) he is a schemer and yet he is so moral. He has been making the right points all over the show and has been our warning about Dany for 2 seasons already. Yet this is the first time I’ve seen him emotional. I am of the opinion that Tyrion is in love with Dany, he is smarter than Jorah and he knows he doesn’t have a chance and doesn’t even pretend but he is loyal to her, truly loyal, this kind of loyalty that is born on someone who feels fully validated and trusted by someone when no one else would... Except for Varys. The Eunuch has been his truest friend, the one who was willing to see him for what he was despite of everything apart of Dany, but he loves her and we all know the crazy shits Lannisters do for love. By the end of the episode Varys implied she has to die. I loved it because it teared this weird and constant duo apart, and Varys went emotional for that. I strongly believe he will sell him to Dany (who, by the way, had Varys warned already) and if this happen fellows shit is going to hit the fan: first of all their conversation paralleled the conversation Tyrion had wwith Bronn about murdering Joffrey (at least in the books, I don’t remember the show properly) the sentence we are speaking treason sticked to me while watching. The poetic part of it is that, at least in the book, such conversation was brought by Varys during Tyrion trials to proove him guilty, Him playing the same move on Varys seems so good to just let it through (maybe he won’t expect him to be executed or it won’t happen at all). In any case, if it happens, Dany will learn why he was plotting (that is Jon), and them both knowing the truth would confirm Dany’s fear about his claim.

-And finally Jon: Plenty of people have been posting complaints about Jon’s behaviour, pol!jon being debunked because of his behaviour... I laugh at it. First of all, those who believe that Jon would just use Dany and just tell her fuck off are as delusional as Jonerize shitters said. Pol!jon was not about betraying Dany but about taking her north, and he did. It’s not on Jon’s nature to betray people. He is meant to do such a thing because of circumstances not because he wants to turn on people (he is not a Frey for god’s sake), the treason for love was never intended, events would put him in such spot. I still believe he is not in love with Dany yet he was trying his best; he ows her a great deal, she loves him a lot and she is pretty (may not be much of a reason yet is far from bad), he may think he could build his love stone by stone. And still he had to close his eyes to kiss her and stopped as soon as he looked at her (rewatch folk, rewatch)... While speaking with his family he made them swear not to tell the secret to anybody, and you know what, for me he looked scared as hell. Why? Because he was telling them something that would put them in danger (’’we can all live together’’, ‘’we can... I just told you how’’ now this was a fucking threat, and Emilia’s voice just let through it was not a fuckingocasional statement this time). Now about political Jon in particular yesterday’s episode has the boldest move he has ever plaid on her, I will give you a clue; it was during the war council when they were speaking about how they would go south, it was subtle, without a single word (we were distracted by Dany and Sansa being at each other throat), and yet he failed to get his way, Grey Worm corrected him... Now can someone who is not to focus on how much Sansa and Dany hate each other tell me what move he was trying to pull on Dany? (Rewatch folks, just rewatch)

#jonsa

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whatanerdgirlsays · 5 years

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The Sunday Post is a weekly post hosted by Kimberly at Caffeinated Reviewer. This is a chance to wrap up the week and share what has happened. Continue on to read about what I’ve read, blogged, watched, listened to, played, written and experienced in the last week. I share any current giveaways or recent interviews! You can also take a peek at what’s to come in the next week!

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Books

With the news that The Baby-Sitter’s Club series is coming for a ten episode series on Netflix, I felt like rereading one of the books and I remembered how much I adored the Super Specials when I was younger. I bought Baby-Sitters on Board on my Kindle and I truly enjoyed it. I’m definitely going to write a review but I was honestly super surprised at how well its held up over the years.

I also read Laura Sebastian’s novel, Ash Princess. I’d heard from a friend that she hadn’t been massively impressed by it but I don’t know, I wanted to give it a try and I’m super glad that I did because it was really enjoyable. I want to read the sequel but I’m afraid of forgetting everything before the finale book ha!

Right now, I have a nice stack of books waiting for me. I just had my birthday which means birthday money and I bought SIX books – Four Dead Queens by Astrid Scholte, The Afterward by EK Johnston, The Last of August by Brittany Cavallaro, Last of Her Name by Jessica Khoury, Tell Me Everything by Sarah Enni and Onxy & Ivory by Mindee Arnett. I also have a ton of books on my Kindle so I literally have no idea what I’m going to be reading this week at all!

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Favorite Quotes of the Week

Sadly, because I only read two books this week and VERY quickly, I don’t have any favorite quotes. SAD FACE!

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Blog

Music Monday {5} – Somebody Loves You by Betty Who

Top Ten Tuesday – Places Mentioned in Books That I’d Like to Visit

Waiting on Wednesday feat. Dealing in Dreams by Lilliam Rivera

Ontario Teen Book Fest Blog Tour – Spotlight on Abdi Nazemian

Book Review: The Belles by Dhonielle Clayton

Novel Share Saturday {6} – Plagiarism and Ghost Writing

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Sara’s Newsies Corner

Here I share the news in the nerd world that I got excited about this week! It may not contain every bit of news – that would be insane!

It was my birthday this week! I turned 31 and it was a great week. I enjoyed a day to myself on Monday, had some of my favorite food and watched The Hate U Give for the first time, finally, went to Trader Sams and had some drinks and spent an entire day at Disneyland. Truly a great way to bring in a new age.

The Umbrella Academy Season 2 was just announced! I just finished watching the first season last night and it was SUCH SUCH a cliffhanger and I truly am so so stoked to see more of this show for sure.

As I mentioned above, Netflix announced there is going to be a ten part reboot series of The Baby-Sitter’s Club and I cannot contain my excitement for this. I loved this series so much as a kid/young teen and it truly had an effect on me as a reader and writer. My first stories were totally BSC fan fiction, let’s be real. I cannot wait to see what they do with it. Its obviously going to have to be updated and that’ll be interesting. Is it wrong that I still want Claudia Kishi and Stacey McGill to wear their amazing outfits?

THE JONAS BROTHERS REUNITED THIS WEEK and I’m so here for it. My younger sister was the big fan and, of course, by extension, that meant I listened to them A LOT. I adore the boys, I thought they were/are genuinely talented and have enjoyed their solo careers too. I love love love their new song, Sucker, and I love even more that their ladies (Priyanka Chopra, Sophie Turner and Danielle Jonas) are all in the video. Just the cutest shit.

Also it reminds me of that time that I was THIS close to a selfie with Joe Jonas at one of the Hunger Games premiere, he was leaning in and some middle aged beotch pushed me out of the way and I’m still salty as hell about it!

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Watched

I watched The Hate U Give movie FINALLY, ended up just buying it so I could watch it. I truly enjoyed it and actually watched it twice this week, once by myself and once with my boyfriend. I have a full review coming soon so I’ll just leave it at that.

I also finished watching The Umbrella Academy, which I also plan on reviewing. I will say – it started out super weird haha but it got better and it got so so addicting. Super glad I decided to watch it. I felt like the inner emo kid in me could NOT turn down something created by Gerard Way haha.

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Listened To

I listen to music every single day but I haven’t really listened to anything new lately so not much to share in this section haha.

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×SPOILERS ON TWDG (All seasons mainly fianle)× Louis don't deserve Hate.( Ĭ∧ Ĭ )ﾉ"

So today me and my boy friend were arguing on TWDG. He got mad at me for choosing Louis after truth or dare and called mai boi a sh*thead. So I got angry and yelling at him how Louis and Clem were meant to be and he's just going on and on how Louis didn't deserve that because he kicked Clem and AJ out of the group and being a prick the whole time. I mean I was mad too, but then again AJ KILLED HIS BEST FRIEND THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR HIM WHEN THEY WERE KIDS!! He wasn't going to be all cheery and happy about that. You had to give him time. He forgave Clem and AJ in 2 weeks and apologized for the way he was acting. I mean if it was me I would be bawling my eyes out for 2 months if my best friend suddenly got murdered when she was finally doing the right thing. Of course I tried to convince my friend with this but he said Marlon "deserved" it. To be honest, he didn't really in my opinion. Yes, he was doing things wrong with wrong and right intentions, like giving Sophie and Minerva away to the raiders, but he apologized and said he gave up. He was going to leave (if you chose the option for him to never come back), until AJ shot him. I told my friend that you couldn't just expect Louis to stay and pretend to be happy like his best friend didn't die. He lashed out and entered a dark place. You have to know that Louis and the other kids stayed at that school during the apocalypse, they haven't seen anything that crazy. Of course, Louis felt bad at the end, seeing how AJ got shot, realizing he shouldn't have let a toddler and another teen back into the woods with all the danger and raiders still out there. I don't think that people should still be mad at Louis for being sad and enraged. He was looking for someone to blame for, he took it out on AJ and Clem. He decided to open up to Clementine. But with me saying all of this, it reminds me of someone a lot of us loved. Kenny. When Kenny's family died, Katjaa and Duck, he was looking to blame someone, of course it was Ben, it was his fault. But in the end, he tried to make it better, risking his life to save Ben. Also when his new girlfriend, Sarita, got bit by the zombie, either option you choose, Kenny blames Clementine. Of course, he again tries to make up for it and protects Clem and eventually AJ along the journey. Same thing happen with AJ, when he thought that Jane didn't protect AJ and let the zombies took him, he blamed Jane. Either option you choose, in the end, Kenny feels bad. Wether you kill him, he says you made the right choice. You and Kenny find AJ, he apologises to Clem for killing Jane. You leave with AJ, he tells her you're making the right choice. You leave with Kenny and AJ, he is grateful and protects you both. So why is Louis any different? Kenny went through death of his love ones so much, he eventually broke and got a bit crazy. It was Louis first time experiencing someone he cared for deeply dead in front of him in the apocalypse. Give Louis a break. Of course he would be mad and sad. He is in the grieving process. Sorry I rant, this just got me upset and a bit irritated that my friend is calling mai boi Louis a sh*thead.

HERES A GIF OF OUR BOI LOUIS

#rant #Twdg #twdg s4 #twdg spoilers #Louis #twdg louis #Stahp the hate

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About your post 'light is good'. There are sun rays hitting Dany in the scene where Jon holds Dany's hand as well. Dany is a good hearted person so do us all a favor, stop demonizing her and accept Jonsa will never happen. Jonerys is endgame, they are the Song of Ice and Fire, Melisandre confirmed this. Stop waisting your time analyzing the books and the show to try and find clues for your crackship, it will never ever happen they only see each other as brother and sister and that's it.

haha you mean the scene where Jon calls her D@ny…

…and then she says this and the ray stops shining on her…

…and starts shining on longclaw instead?

yeah…

As if that scene wasn’t ominous enough, it becomes even more ominous, if you add this detail lol

Sorry, but Jon calling her D@ny like Viserys used to do, means nothing good for your ship or D@ny… and the light shifting from her to Longclaw as soon as she says Viserion used to call her that confirms that and to me screams, betrayal.

I want to add that you cannot blame this shift in light to natural lighting, because that is not natural lighting they’re using. Kit and Em are not on a real boat here, they are on a set somewhere and the light is 100% artificial, which means that they (the director/s and the people whom are in charge with the lighting) have absolute and complete control over how the light moves, over what or whom it does or doesn’t hit.

Besides, light is not always a good thing, it doesn’t always mean good… not to add that here it shifts from light to shadow.

“But in one of those instances where you should Beware the Nice Ones (those who appear as nice, but then they eventualy snap and/or show their true colours), the Light isn’t always what it appears to be. Sometimes, a battle with an obviously Light-wielding character, will just end with a laser-scorched corpse and the shiny happy killer skipping off to continue using their sunshine-fueled powers (fire/dragons) to wreak decidedly unholy havoc. There is a reason why the word “Light Bringer,” in Latin, literally means Lucifer. (I did not know Light Bringer, meant Lucifer in Latin omg)

This Trope is an inversion of the standard that “Light = Good”. Light Is Not Good can subvert or avert a number of other Tropes depending on how it comes into play — usually Beauty Equals Goodness and Good Colors, Evil Colors, among others.

It turns out that, just like how, sometimes Dark Is Not Evil, sometimes Light Is Not Good. Some will view the Light itself as natural, and darkness as nothing more than an absence of it. Others will see Light (fire/dragons/the Lord of LIGHT) as a destructive force, a perversion of the infinite all-encompassing Darkness.

Light Is Not Good is when a character is directly bad, directly villainous — and still has Light powers. Depending on characterization, they might be sympathetic, perhaps well-intentioned but horribly misguided. Or the person could be the most gleefully twisted bastard imaginable.” (source)

Making the gifs and reading this trope I legit got Nissa Nissa, Light Bringer vibes from it, it kinda gave me chills.

Anyhow, not sure if Nissa Nissa will happen in the show, I’m not sure if it’ll happen in the books either, but yeah, those sun rays shifting, D@ny ending up being in the shadows after she says her brother (someone who used her to get what he needed to get the Iron Trone, just like Jon is using her to get her dragons North so he can save everyone from the NK) used to call her that, is not good…

I do believe D@ny started out as good and innocent, but she has gradually become obsessed with power/the Iron Throne, entitled, self absorbed and tyrannical. The D@ny from season 1 and 2 is nowhere to be found/seen, she’s gone/dead, in her place stands a selfish and power hungry woman who only thinks about being Queen and sitting on the Iron Throne, a power hungry woman who sent both Jon and Jorah on a suicide mission so she could get her stupid truce (which she obviously didn’t even get lol) and got one of her dragons killed in the process.

Her being hit by sun rays doesn’t erase all the cruel and horrendous things she has done. lol

Melisandre is wrong all the f*ing time nonny, all the f*ing time. Mel doesn’t know that Jon is half Targ (fire), that he is ice and fire on his own, otherwise she would not have made that statement. She was wrong, as usual.

At least we can analyze stuff, something y'all don’t seem to be able to do or are too lazy to do because “Jondelion is CANON!” (as if it’s set into stone that they’re gonna stay that way lol) “They are the Song of Ice and Fire!” lol

We have valid and backed up agruments, while y'all just go around using the same 2 or 3 stupid arguments to “prove” why your ship is endgame and why Jonsa will never happen.

Y'all mock us for analyzing stuff as if it’s a bad thing or somehow shameful to use our brains and think lol Books are written to be read and analyzed (did you not do this in school?), they are written to make you think, to open your mind, to enrich it, to teach you, same thing goes for tv shows and movies, and that can’t happen if you don’t analyze. There is nothing wrong in analyzing what a director, screen writer, writer etc. is trying to tell you with their book/tv show/movie, and also, it’s good training for the brain, that is, if you’ve got what to train.

I don’t want to go around calling y'all stupid, but I must say that the majority of y'all are VERY superficial to say the least.

So let’s recap…

- Sun rays: not a good omen in this instance.

- D@ny is good hearted: yeah… no.

“She (Sophie) was great, because she showed that Sansa really felt conflicted about it (executing Littlefinger) by the end. It’s in real contrast with D@ny when she executes people, she (D@ny) doesn’t show any hint of compassion or mercy.” — David Benioff

- Jon and D@ny are the Song of Ice and Fire: wrong again. Jon is the Song of Ice and fire on his own, then Dany and the Night King are the Song of Ice and fire, and wight Viserion and Rhaegal and Drogon are the Song of Ice and Fire. Jon and D@ny are not the SOIAF, just like Sansa and Jon are not the SOIAF, stop with this nonsense.

- Jon and Sansa only see each other as brother and sister: nope, wrong again, they met basically as two strangers, they built their relationship as two strangers would, and Jon ended up developing feelings, falling in love with the extraordinary woman that Sansa has become and Sansa ended up developing feelings, falling in love with the extraordinary man that Jon has become, they didn’t plan to, it just happened.

“And I love this relationship that developed over last season and continues into this with Jon and Sansa. The fun thing to explore there, was the idea of two siblings that… they weren’t close as siblings. They weren’t close when they were kids. They had no real relationship. They…Sansa didn’t particularly like Jon. They had nothing to say to each other. They had no way to relate to each other.” — Bryan Cogman

So yeah…

#JonsaIsComing ✌️

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fedonciadale · 6 years

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Why all you jonsa shippers don't just admit that they don't exist. You just can enjoy their siblings relationship. I'm not a shipper, and sure that j/d is not endgame. They surely will be dead at the end. I think in the s8 they will be shown as star crossed lovers. D&D will absolutely continue with their favorite incestuous "hot" couple. Kit and Emilia are viewers' favorites. It brings HBO money, they'll not spoil it. No one gives a shit about Sophie/Sansa/Jonsa. It's not GRRM's story anymore.

Dear nonny, you know it never ceases to amaze me why someone who wants to lecture me would come into my askbox and give me the opportunity to return the favour, do some lecturing and have the last word…

1) AFAIK, no Jonsa shipper ever claimed that Jon and Sansa exist. They are fictional characters. As for the ship, that exists. As long as people ship them, the ship exists, it thrives and nothing wrong about that. There are worse ships than Jonsa. I assume you mean that the ship does not exist in canon. Well, we’ll see about that. No reason to come to preliminary conclusions before season 8 is over.

2) But I do enjoy the sibling relationship. The pseudo incest gives angst to the ship and I’m a sucker for lovers who think they can’t be together and in the end they can be together. As for you telling me what to enjoy. Why would you do that? You're not my parents, nor my sister or brother, nor a close friend. To all these people I would (grudgingly) give permission to critisize my kind of shipping and to shower me with advice I didn’t ask for. As for you. I don’t remember posting anything about inviting anons to condescendinglyadvise me how to ship or how to have fun with my ship. Metas and speculating are fun, and if Jonsa doesn’t happen I won’t come to your door and burden you with my pain.

3) What exactly do you mean by endgame? My take on ‘endgame’ is that this couple is in love by the end of the series, your take seems to be that they survive. I’m sure Jonsa is endgame, I’m not sure they’ll both survive. While Da€nerys seems to be infatuated, Jon is not, and is not even in love. Kit Harrington knows how to play in love, and he didn’t play ‘in love’ last season.

4) Star crossed lovers? Again your wording is not correct. Star crossed lovers are lovers who can’t be together because destiny prevents it. That does not fit for Jon and Da€neyrs. Either the parentage reveal leads to a fall-out for various reasons (the most important being that Jon has a better claim now) or it just leads to inner angst and turmoil which Jon and Da€nerys could overcome on their own. The decision to stay together or not is entirely Jon’s and Da€nerys’. Nothing star crossed about it. As for being destined to die, - not the same as star crossed love - just one of them will certainly die, and my money is on Da€nerys.

5) In your experience do D&D really all the time just play to viewers’ expectations? If they did, Ned wouldn’t be dead, we wouldn’t have had a Red Wedding, Shireen would not have been burned… I sincerely doubt that they continue with the “hot” couple when they took such great care to write DOOMED all over it.

6) As for getting money out of it. I sort of agree with you there. They certainly will milk Jon€rys as much as they can. We’ll see a lot of teasing in between season I’m sure. And I’m sure poeple will buy all that stuff. But you seem to misunderstand some things about getting money from a show. The most important thing is, that people talk about the show and watch it. And when season 8 airs, and everybody has bought nice trinkets they will undercut everbody’s expectations. Da€nerys was always meant to be the hero from the other side. There are even hints in the first book, and they keep on accumulating over the books. D&D promised that they will reach the same end, and this means that we’ll have DarkDany next season. And can you imagine what this twist will mean for the show (and the money that comes with it?). Your argument is that they wouldn’t continue to get money from the show if Jon€rys isn’t a thing. I sincerely doubt that, there are other things to root for than Jon€rys and money comes from attention. And if they just do a Jon€rys love feast for six hours straight, peppered with occasional WW action, it might get boring, and that would be worse than another twist that is part of the original idea of GRRM anyway.

7) As for no one giving a shit about Sophie /Sansa/Jonsa, I beg to differ. This sentence is obviously false. I give a shit, so by logic your statement is simply false. Maybe you were just careless in your wording again? And you wanted to say, that nobody on the show gives a shit? Might be, but they want the money and the attention, and they’ll get that if they do the twist in season 8.

So, next time you come into my ask box and try to tell my how I should spend my free time, think about this: Advice unasked for is about as attractive as stale fish. And I would advice you to do that only sparingly and just to your own family and close friends. AFAIK I’m no close friend of yours and your ask certainly did not endear you to me. As unasked advices go, my advice is actually meant well, I don’t think yours was.

#anon ask #Jonsa #Why the hate?#i didn't ask for this #a horse is the same as a dragon #logic #Think before you write

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sweetsummersansa-blog · 7 years

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Keep calm! Jonsa is endgame!

Okay, so I know the whole fandom is starting to panic because of what happened in episode 6 ... or maybe just because of this season entirely. But we can’t forget ALL the little Jonsa moments and subtle clues that have made us believe that Jonsa will happen... SUCH AS:

1. So many Ned/Cat 2.0 parallels:

2. Jon threatening every male to bring up Sansa...

3. The OMFG realization looks from LF and Davos...

4. The camera zooming in on every time Sansa touches Jon...

5. The Brienne and Jaime Parallels, (okay I actually saw this on another post from @lyannas-loves so I don't want to take credit for this idea, she noticed this little piece of brilliance.... but just look!)

“The subtext is it’s almost like saying, “You keep my heart. It’s yours. It’s always been yours” - NCW .... and let’s not forget that Jon said the North will always be a part of him... so he technically gave Sansa a part of him/his heart

6, Their incredibly emotional reunion...

7. THE FUCKING FOREHEAD KISS THAT LASTED A LIFETIME...!

8. HIM FUCKING LOOKING AT HER LIPS...!!!

...I dead ass thought he was gonna kiss her in this scene, and this was BEFORE I was a Jonsa shipper, so I did not have shipping goggles on...I actually felt really weird watching it for the first time cuz I thought they were siblings and this scene DID NOT feel siblingly at all! (but post R+L=J confirmation I was a happy shipper)

...Moving on...

9. The tent scene... with heavy breathing...in candlelight... and the crazy tension that you can practically cut with a knife...

10. The fake Starkbowl...

This was definitely done on purpose to throw us off...definitely a red herring to cover up the romance between the two so its not too obvious yet.

11. Him looking back at Sansa but not Dany...

12. She gave him a Ned 2.0 cloak which he has pretty much never. taken. off. ...and cloaks of protection are used in wedding ceremonies..

13. “I will protect you I promise”

...Promise me Ned...Promise me!

14. After Jon and Jorah talk about Jon’s children, the STARK theme started to play and the scene cut to SANSA when it could have easily cut to Dany talking about her children with Tyrion (which would have better foreshadowed the Targ baby).

^^^Future mother of his babies right here... and let’s not forget that in his original draft, GRRM had Jon and Arya fall in love, so he seems pretty open to the whole “fall in love with your sibling, but you can't do anything until its revealed you’re actually cousins” idea.

15. And just the way Jon looks at her... I can’t...

^^^YOU CAN’T TELL ME THAT THIS IS THE WAY A BROTHER LOOKS AT A SISTER!!!!! LIKE TF?!

16. OH and Jon likes redheads!!!!

Sorry for the long ass post Lol, hope you’re all still with me! Anyways... this can’t all be a coincidence... there is too much going on... like even if Kit and Sophie’s insane chemistry is purely coincidental, they had to go out of their way to make the Ned/Cat parallels, make the “Oh shit” looks from LF and Davos, and make Jon want to kill every person who brings up Sansa and so many other things.. Keep faith Jonsa shippers, this was meant to be! I know with boatbang around the corner you’re loosing a bit of heart, but have no fear! Sex doesn’t mean he loves Dany more than Sansa AND Dany still needs to be betrayed for love...and look at all this Jonsa forshadowing, they would be absolutely stupid to have the show go in another direction! Just have hope for a few more days until episode 7 airs! Hang in there guys! Jonsa will come. Jonsa is endgame!

#jonsa #jonsa is endgame #jonsa is coming #jonsaforlife #actuallyjonsa #jon and sansa #sansa x jon #jon x sansa #sansa and jon

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Morty’s Mind Blowers review

Oh thank god, it’s an easy one.

I was surprised that this turned out to the the answer to Interdimensional Cable this season. I thought Tales from the Citadel was going to be it, since it basically had the same anthology structure but more focused and less based on vignettes.

Actually if anything, the episode Morty’s Mind Blowers most reminds me of is the parasite episode, given that it focuses on the unpleasant memories you have about your mistakes or your family that you wish you could erase but have to live with because that’s a part of your shared history, for better or worse.

I can totally buy from a character perspective that Morty would want to erase the terrible things he does and Rick would allow him because when Morty gets emotional, it interferes with Rick’s work. I especially love the idea that Rick erases any evidence that he isn’t a hyper-capable genius in Morty’s mind (and that beating him at checkers is one such slight deserving of memory erasure to him). My one gripe though is when they hit the amnesia angle halfway through. It works for what the episode is trying to do because it means we get to see more Mind Blowers, but I’ve never been a fan of amnesia plots because they don’t really tend to use that opportunity to teach us anything new about the characters and just expect the audience to laugh at the characters rediscovering who they are, which is never as funny to me as putting characters in new environments or familiar but slightly off versions of them, which is where Tales from the Citadel really succeeded.

As good as all those Mind-Blowers were (I don’t think there’s a bad one in the lot), I kind of felt the framing story could have leaned into similar thematic territory. If you’ve read my rankings of Rick and Morty episodes from the first two seasons, you’ll see a pretty big disparity between the two Interdimensional Cable episodes. To my mind, Rixty Minutes works better over Interdimensional Cable II: Tempting Fate because while they both lean into the escapist power of television to distract you from getting involved with complicated family drama, Rixty Minutes uses that conceit for one of the most life-affirming character moments ever put to television and a thesis statement for the entire show, while Interdimensional Cable II takes what could have been an interesting reason to have all the characters watching television (to distract from worrying about a mortally diseased Jerry) and proceeded to do nothing interesting with it. I can’t really blame them though. From what I’ve gleaned about that episode’s production, Interdimensional Cable ran out of steam as a concept pretty quickly, as they initially thought was going to be their answer to Treehouse of Horror but then decided against it when they realised that they couldn’t make that lightning strike twice. And so instead we have Morty’s Mind Blowers, which gives the writing team time to really hash out a solid joke rather than rely on any random thing that Justin and company want to riff on in the booth.

There’s not really a whole lot to comment on here, so I’m probably just going to bullet point the rest of this one out. A freeform anthology review, if you will.

I’ve been trying to think of what regular episodes could count as mind-blowers, but then I realised that all of them take place after Jerry left, because he isn’t in any of them other than one brief one at Morty’s 13th birthday. Which is also an interesting continuity note, because Morty is 14 by the time the show starts and Rick had already been with the family for about a year prior to that point, since the anniversary of his coming back was in the first Council of Ricks episode. I’m guessing the 13th birthday one is either due to Rick’s shitty filing system and/or Rick deciding to remove that memory from Morty’s mind sometime after Jerry left, maybe because Morty reminded him about it and then removed it out of spite.

Hey look, it’s Neil Gaiman’s Sandman. This show is full of Endless possibilities. Also, the Truth Tortoise said “I’m a Beatle, Paul is dead” backwards, because of course it did.

I love how Jerry has a crappier version of the Mind Blower helmet with VHS tapes instead of vials of memory goo. One of them’s labelled “Sleepy Gary”.

They were pretty spot on with those Men in Black II jokes. “Save it for Youtube” made me chuckle, and also a little ashamed at the fact that I do spend a good chunk of my time online watching video essays.

Anyway, it seems like that The Ricklantis Mixup took up the majority of the time and budget and was an emotional gut-punch to boot, so Morty’s Mind Blowers is meant to serve as a breather for the fans and the writers before we get to what I assume is going to be a gut-punch Beth and Rick episode and a climax to either Rick-Shank Redemption or The Ricklantis Mixup. And structural nit-picking aside, while The Ricklantis Mixup was a better anthology this season, this one had enough good clips in it that it passes the bar. Not Rixty Minutes good, but not Interdimensional Cable II bad. Probably somewhere in the ballpark of Lawnmower Dog.

Episode MVP: Summer, for not getting paid enough for this shit.

Favourite bit character: Poor Beebo. If only it were Venzenulon Nine, then he wouldn’t have died in vain.

And instead of best joke, here’s my:

Top 5 Mind Blowers

5) Beth’s Choice

Only including this one because it got such a reaction out of me. I’ve mentioned before how I find Beth one of the more interesting characters on the show because of how the writers base her psychological profile out of Rick leaving her as a child and how that affected her ability to relate to people, including Jerry and her own children. Choosing Summer over Morty feels in line with that. It kind of the inverse of that bit in Malcolm in the Middle where Lois says if she was to choose between saving Reese or Malcolm, she’d choose Reese, because he needs all the help he can get while Malcolm is smart enough to look after himself since he’s smart and Reese is an idiot. Whereas Beth would choose Summer since she’s more capable and less of a hassle to look after than Morty, who I think she sees as a smaller Jerry and she probably made that Sophie’s Choice a long time ago in her mind.

4) Talking to Animals

RIP Erica Henderson and Ryan North’s mentions. I’m really only including this on the list for the hummingbird’s thoughts, since it reminded me of The Far Side. I find the idea of animals secretly plotting against us kind of rote because it is almost always something cute and innocuous like a squirrel or a rabbit or a dolphin, and never something more genuinely benign and out-of-left-field like...I dunno, anteaters. Also turns out Rick and Morty have hopped realities again, which at this point they could only really do as a throwaway joke, cause there’s no way in hell they’re going to be able to top the end of Rick Potion #9.

3) The Whole Enchilada

Speaking of hell, the bait-and-switch of the alien having has an actual objective afterlife was excellent, and something I’ve always wondered why that hasn’t been explored more. Especially if a species were to have a soul and what their notion of “life” would be if they know it continues to exist for them after their tangible existence. That’s been done, right? Trek’s probably done it, surely.

2) Wrong Light Switch

Great set-up, excellent punch-line. The less you explain it, the funnier it is.

1 ) “True Level”

My favourite kind of joke is to take an ordinary activity or thing and ramp it up to a ridiculous science fiction version of that thing. My favourite kind of Rick and Morty joke is to have Rick be the one to introduce the sci-fi version of a thing to Morty, only for Rick to get frustrated at Morty’s inability to wrap his head around it. My second favourite kind of Rick and Morty joke is to have a character gain a sudden cosmic revelation and having it crush their spirit so completely as to be permanently emotionally crippled, usually while woefully lamenting their own insignificance. So this is basically the perfect joke to me. My true level of jokes.

It does feel a little familiar though, mostly because I think I can tell that Dan Harmon wrote this segment. Rick’s rant about judging level with “your naked caveman eye and a bubble of fucking air” could have been taken from any first five minutes of a Harmontown episode, and the whole premise seems incredibly similar to that Community joke about the room where they get room temperature from. Be that as it may, there’s no sin in being familiar, and “REALITY IS POISON!” made me laugh my ass off, so it’s a very easy hit to my funny bone regardless.

Final Rating: 3 out of 5 grapples

#rick and morty #rick sanchez #morty smith #summer smith #beth sanchez #mortys mind blowers #dan harmon #justin roiland

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lookingatyousideways · 7 years

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Listen if you think Sansa did “nothing” to win BotB and wanted Jon to die I think you are ridiculous. And you are most likely a piece of sexist shit who tends to think men’s contribution are higher than women’s.

1. Sansa risked her life to run away from Ramsay and that is what started this. She didn’t even know if Brienne would show, she didn’t even think Theon was going to help her. But she knew she would rather die than be with Ramsay.

2. SHE decided "there is only one place we can go, HOME." You know what Jon wanted to do? Go south and get warm.

3. Jon was never going to fight for Winterfell. Sansa asked him, pushed him. Sansa did not expect Jon to come with her. Sansa asked “where will you go?” you not we. She thought he would choose a separate path. She already knew she was going to come back for Winterfell on her own. She told him “I want you to help me, but I will do it myself if I have to.” And she would’ve. It would’ve taken her longer but she would’ve found a different way to come for her home.

4. Jon wanted to ignore the whole Rickon thing because “you don’t know that.” Sansa told him this is real. Sansa realizing there was nothing she could do to save Rickon at the end did not mean she did not care. She just realized “no one can protect anyone.” How the fuck did you guys think she would react seeing Rickon’s dead body? She would faint? She would sob? She had to stare at her dead father’s head. She had to sit through performances where they mocked her brother’s death. She had been bruised, beaten, cut, raped. You think she reacts to everything by wailing? This girl no longer has any tears left to cry.

5. Jon was not going to ask the Wildlings to fight for him. Sansa mentioned it first.

6. Jon thought he had no right over the Stark name. He was never going to go from house to house and say look I am Ned’s son, lend me your army. It was Sansa who kept telling him over and over again that he is Ned’s son. That the Northern men are loyal they will fight for him. She was foolish and had more faith in their loyalty. And would you fucking look at that, when the asshole Northern houses finally came around, all of a sudden the Stark blood mattered again.

7. Sansa wanted Jon to wait for more men. She asked him so many times. In the beginning she trusted Jon’s judgement as a battle commander so she sent the Creep away. When she saw she couldn’t “trust him” she asked the Creep to come back. Until the last night she wanted more NORTHERN men which Jon said they did not have time for. She didn’t fucking want LF around her again. So if Jon was losing the battle because he did not have enough men that was Jon’s fault not Sansa’s. If you are not prepared, don’t go to battle. “I have fought beyond the wall against worse than Ramsay Bolton...” Instead he valued Davos, and even Tormund who had no idea what any of his battle plans meant while putting down all of Sansa’s suggestions.

8. Littlefinger also gets credit for winning BotB but this is what the piece of shit wanted from day 1 when he handed Sansa to the Boltons. He wanted to take an army to fight the Boltons, he just COULD NOT do it himself because the Vale does not answer to him. They don’t fight for him. The only reason he could get the knights of the vale this time was because SANSA needed them. Just like the Wildlings fought for Jon, Sweetrobin sent the army for his cousin Sansa.

8. Sansa was NOT UNHAPPY that Jon lived. Sansa haters think if they repeat this enough times it will come true. Read the fucking script! Read it! Here I will even screenshot it for you.

She looked pissed because Ramsay was getting away. Again she doubted Jon. Doubting him is not a fucking crime. He deserved to be doubted for his poor decisions.

9. Stop making up shit that are not true.

“Sansa, she does love her brother. And they have had a conflicted past. Over the course of this season they have come to really rely upon each other she doesn’t necessarily trust him completely. She didn’t tell him about the meeting with Littlefinger, she didn’t tell him she summoned the Knights of the Vale. There is definitely a little hint of conflict there. We see that come out in episode 9 where she is at the war council where no one asks her opinion despite the fact that she knows Ramsay better than anyone. So I think there is a little bit of anger about that, little bit jealousy, and that relationship will be crucial to watch.”- David Benioff.

Let me break it down for you one more time, because clearly one year was not enough for you understand this. Remember when Jon was not mad at Sansa for not telling him about KotV, instead he told her “WE NEED TO TRUST EACH OTHER” and gave her a very beautiful kiss that basically said trust me. It is because he realized at that time the reason Sansa did not tell him about the army was because she did not trust him. It is not a crime. Sansa did not hide the army because she is heartless and didn’t care. She just couldn’t bring herself to fully trust Jon. Jon as a man, as a player, as a commander. Jon wasn’t mad because he didn’t have a right to be mad at her.

10. Once again, SANSA LOVES HER BROTHER.

“It doesn’t mean they don’t love each other. But it’s just you know typical sibling tension.” - Sophie Turner.

No matter how hurt Sansa was, despite everything he is all that is left of her family. She loves him. She obviously wouldn’t fucking want him dead.

11. Maybe Sansa wouldn’t have made it too long without Jon’s help, but Jon surely would’ve died in 6x09 if Sansa did not show up with the army she “summoned.” So yeah she saved his ass. If you are going to blame Sansa for Jon’s misfortune say because of her he ended up fighting another war where he almost died again. If she wasn’t there he would be vacationing somewhere warm, getting a nice tan, waiting for the White Walkers to come and end it all. She gave him a reason to fight again and he almost lost his life (which he would’ve eventually anyways with WWs coming and all).

Last but not least, if none of this got through to you please make your own anti Sansa posts to write your own outrageous arguments. Keep it in your own hateful circle. Just like Fox news and Trump, you will realize you have many, many fans. Stop annoying us, we have better things to do than fact check your lies one by one.

** p.s- In case some Jon fan feels hurt, this is not about belittling Jon, or taking away Jon’s contribution, this is about giving Sansa the credit she deserves for her part (which people always seem to forget).

#Jon x Sansa #jonsa #Sansa Stark #I thought I would wait to use my block button once s7 starts but I am starting early this year

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