It amazes me how Bojack fans will watch Diane make it clear multiple times that she does not like big grandeur gifts or expression of love and that she is not comfortable with big parties, only for Mr Peanutbutter to completely ignore and overlook her needs for his own wants and whims- to never actually listen to her, then to blame her for being upset, and say he did no wrong and Diane's a bitch.
They made TWO episodes to showcase this, and the first one flew over their heads so much they made the second one to shove it down people's throats (in my opinion).
The whole bellroom thing? Y'know the thing that everyone hates on Diane for? I think it was meant to showcase the situation she is in and how Mr Peanutbutter acts towards her.
Yes, she confided in him about a dream, but it was a childhood fantasy, and he thought about Diane's wishes for even a second he would realise he shouldn't put in the bellroom because he should know she doesn't like grand gestures and is uncomfortable with them. He puts it in anyways, though, and fills it with fake books with nothing inside. There's paint splattered on the couches, too.
It's a grand gesture that is empty and meaningless because he never truly considered what Diane would have wanted, and when she got upset because he still refuses to understand her, he just sees at her getting angry at him for "being nice".
All people saw was Diane being a spoiled mean bitch to the poor Mr Peanutbutter who can do no wrong. So now, since this episode and all previous ones showcasing his selfishness (because he is selfish even if is nice ton peoole) flew over people's heads, they had to double down and make it obvious in the "Mr Peanutbutter's Boos" where it's clear he ignores and neglects his partners' well-being to satisfy his own wants. And even that he keeps dating women far too young for him, which is a problem!
And people still didn't get it
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thoughts on mr peanutbutter?
I kinda like him but also kinda dislike him.
I don’t like him that much most of the time tbh. His toxic positivity bugs me. I hate how for a lotta the show, he doesn’t understand Diane’s struggles. Most of the time I just sorta don’t get him, because of how overly positive he is.
That being said he also has some sweet and funny moments. I loved his friendship with Todd, the time he comforted Bojack during the episode “stupid piece of—”, and he and Diane had a couple genuinely sweet and cute moments.
Moments I hated him were where he drags his poor meerkat account away from his son and is just like “things are gonna be great, as they always are, from my perspective” while the father and son are distraught. And the scene where PC gives him the game show job and he’s just like “it just goes to show, with the right attitude all your dreams will come always come true, and if they don’t, it’s probably because you just didn’t have the right attitude” idk why but that fills me with annoyance.
I like mr peanutbutter in “Mr peanutbutter’s boos” and that scene in “let’s find out” where he and Bojack get real. I thought they were great explorations of his character. Oh, also the episode he visits his brother.
I wish the show could’ve had another season (instead of compressing the ideas for 2 seasons into season 6 a and b), because I feel like we miss the most interesting part of his character arc. For most of the show he’s a character that refuses to change, then, between the time pickles breaks up with him and the time we see in the last episode, he’s forced to change and learn how to deal with being single and such. But we really only see the beginning and end of that arc, we miss all of the juicy stuff and just hear him talking about he’s had to change, instead of like. Actually seeing him change.
If we’d gotten to actually see that arc, perhaps I would’ve ended up liking the character more, but with the show as it is… idk, most of the time he’s just this guy who acts happy all the time and, while acting nice, frequently kinda brushes off the feelings and struggles of others. He’s positive to a toxic degree and often either simply has a hard time understanding the struggles of others (tho he does try at times) or he simply ignores them because he doesn’t want his own mood to be brought down. And like, we do get glimpses of who is beneath the surface, but not enough glimpses tbh. Overall, he’s just. Idk, not very compelling to me. I have mixed feelings about him
(However I have a couple fandom friends who like him, so also when I see PB stuff I’m like “oh boy, Friend will enjoy this”)
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how do you suppose diane and pb made it work before they got married as it seems getting married everything fell apart a lot faster
I feel like a better question to ask would be "what changed after they got married", and the answer to that question is Diane started being in the public eye a lot more. Two years into their relationship, Diane went to BoJack's Halloween party as PB's date. As we know, this party marks a turning point in all of Mr Peanutbutter's relationships, with all of his issues, for whatever reason, becoming much more present in said party than they had been prior. The main difference with Diane's party is that they left that party happy. Mr Peanutbutter promised (albeit extremely ironically) to take her thoughts into consideration more often, but I can't imagine Diane not being at all proactive in doing this. I imagine that Diane decided to recline a lot more, exclusively doing her ghostwriting work from behind the scenes, until she met BoJack and decided to get a lot closer to him, with One Trick Pony finally being her breakthrough.
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What’s the common denominator?
First things first, I love a clever title, and cackled when I realized what we were setting up here. “Mr. Peanutbutter’s Boos” combines two great ideas that come together naturally: Mr. Peanutbutter’s string of ex-wives, AND HALLOWEEN
I know, truly and absolutely, that sometimes the BoJack writers create story elements because someone was like “BUT THIS TITLE THOUGH”, and I respect that.
The construct around this episode is a ton of fun, and highlights the narratively interesting ways the creative team are ready and willing to explore. This has the potential to spin into a larger (and off-topic conversation) so I won’t dwell in it too much, but these are the sorts of things that make me love animation as a form of adult storytelling. There are so many interesting ways to tell a story, and things that would be difficult and/or prohibitively expensive to pull off in live action are pretty much just the order of the day for digital animation.
But as I said, that’s off-topic. What we have in this episode is functionally four parallel stories, showing previous Halloween parties over a 25-year period, and giving us something really quite new and necessary for the show:
MR. PEANUTBUTTER FUCKING UP
It was coming, of course. Basically my entire segment on Mr. Peanutbutter in my S5 opener was “he needs something”. Mr. Peanutbutter is the happy, charismatic, lucky guy who likes everyone and everyone likes, and that’s often played to tremendous comedic (and character) effect. But I think, and have been thinking for a while, that someone like Mr. Peanutbutter can’t really exist in the BoJack Horseman world alongside its larger ideas. I’m not done yet, of course, but I feel pretty confident that the show is extremely centered on the idea of personal action. As the baboon runner said at the end of Season 2, “It gets easier. Every day, it gets a little easier. But you gotta do it every day . That’s the hard part.” That may or may not turn out to be the thesis statement of the show, I don’t know yet, but I do feel it’s pivotal to the show’s outlook either way.
Mr. Peanutbutter, though? What does HE have to do every day? Get out of bed, seems to be the worst of it, and even that, he does with enthusiasm and joy. Nothing has ever really been hard for Mr. Peanutbutter, nothing has ever been a struggle, and I’m so certain that in the world of BoJack Horseman, that cannot hold.
Here, in “Mr. Peanutbutter’s Boos”, we begin to see that coming to bear. Facing another relationship beginning to fray at the seams, Mr. Peanutbutter finally starts asking questions.
It’s Diane who finally comes through with the answer: his ex-wives grow and change, and Mr. Peanutbutter? Just doesn’t. The opening sequence, as he slips easily from one flashback to the next becomes an incredible way of conveying exactly that idea. He fits in each and every time, virtually unrecognizable from the Mr. Peanutbutter we know and love.
BUT WAIT BECAUSE HERE’S WHERE IT GETS REALLY INTERESTING
The exception, every time, is today. Present Mr. Peanutbutter has become an outlier in his own story, and you can see it in all the little differences between them. In each of the flashbacks, it’s his wife who stands out of place, who is leaning on him for something or another. Pickles, though, his current girlfriend, doesn’t actually need him. Rather than awkwardly hanging on the fringes when he begins to fail in some way, she throws herself more into the party.
Mr. Peanutbutter stays the same. Mr. Peanutbutter never grows and changes. And Mr. Peanutbutter isn’t just being left behind by his previous loves, but the world has begun to leave him behind too.
For the first time, he’s seeing himself in a context OUTSIDE himself, and not only am I interested to see where that’s going to lead him, I love this as yet another way to shine a light on BoJack’s continued failure to do even that. Mr. Peanutbutter is, for all intents and purposes, just as rich, famous, and self-absorbed as BoJack. I’ve every confidence, though, that Mr. Peanutbutter will be able to DO SOMETHING about what he’s realized. It may take him a little bit, but I really think he will.
BoJack, meanwhile?
Quick moment, before I wrap this up, to comment on Princess Caroline in this episode. She’s got next to no real part in this one, save as being the person manning the door. A role she’s STILL FUCKING IN. Even in the present scenes, you can see her (far left in the cap below).
Still there, still opening the door, still wearing the fucking Amelia Earhart costume. This despite having a startling realization in the ten-years-ago flashback that she shouldn’t be doing any of this, and that she could have better. I am SO into PC’s storyline, precisely because she’s smart and driven and knows better, BUT STILL CAN’T BREAK FREE.
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