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aprilblossomgirl · 10 months

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Thai BL Favorites List

Thank you @thatgirl4815 for tagging me! Sorry it took me too long. I guess I’ll be using this game to talk a bit about some of my favorite BL shows (Thai BL particularly), especially in the past 1,5 years. I might have not watched that many shows, honestly, so maybe I couldn’t really answer a question or two and obviously for the rest of the questions my answers would be very much biased and, ehm, extended (sorry in advance for being greedy, and that in no way this would be a brief list).

Favorite Thai BL: My top three (can’t choose one) are A Tale of Thousand Stars, The Eclipse, and My School President.

Favorite Pairing: Not trying to be diplomatic, but this is hard as I usually ended up loving any pairing of any media I was watching at a time. But to go with the ones that permanently own my soul (in chronological order of the said media release); PhupaTian of A Tale of Thousand Stars, KimChay of KinnPorsche, AkkAyan of The Eclipse, SoundWin of My School President, and TienLomfon of La Pluie.

Most Underrated Actor: I would go with Fluke Pusit. I really wanted to see him playing a main character (again). The Shipper was already too long ago, and I don’t think it was even classified as BL (I could be wrong about this, though).

Favorite Character: Another hard question *cry in my watched list*. Ok, I definitely can’t come up with only one, so here’s the array of characters that’s so dear to me for different reasons; Tian (A Tale of Thousand Stars), Akk Pipitphattana (The Eclipse), Akk Itsara (Enchante), Tinn (My School President), and Saengtien (La Pluie).

Favorite Side Character: Also, can’t have only one; Longtae (A Tale of Thousand Stars), Wasuwat (The Eclipse), Tiwson (My School President), and Arm (KinnPorsche).

Favorite Scene in a BL: Let these pictures speak for themselves. Basically almost all AkkAyan and SoundWin scenes live in my head rent free and all are my favorite. Yes, I'm very biased, I know. *cry* These are just a few on top of my list.

Honorable mentions: PhupaTian and TienLomfon scenes under the stars (unfortunately I don't have any gifs for these, just a still set post for each).

Favorite Line in a BL: For me, nothing can top that “I love you. And I want you to love yourself too.” from Aye to Akk.

Most Anticipated BL (& why): As much as I wanted to answer with Only Friends, I found myself leaning more and more towards Dangerous Romance and Last Twilight instead. I guess my main reason would be the casts (please I need more JimmySea and also Perth and Chimon). And personally, I think I deal emotionally better watching media with single pair centered story than one with multiple/ensemble pairs.

Healthiest Relationship in a BL: At this point, it’s Tinn and Gun in My School President. If we’re talking solely about the green flags, there might be many others beside these two. But when it comes to the relationship, I don’t remember watching any other more impressive than them.

Most Toxic Relationship in a BL: I can’t really come up with something for this one. When it comes to toxic relationship, I usually avoided watching anything with known one in it at all or I ended up watching them in fast-forward/skipping mode so I don't think it's my place to label them as toxic as I might lose some context on the way.

Guilty Pleasure Series: Currently I don’t have any, I guess. But it used to be TharnType (I resonated a lot with Type and his anger issue) and/or Together with Me (I just can’t say no to MaxTul in any kind of media, I think).

I’m back to my ‘too shy to tag’ mode again. So, if anyone seeing this and would like to participate (this is fun!), please consider yourself tagged 🤍

Ps: adding an extra of my favorite scene.

(*): all gifs used are mine, previously posted in my *gifs posts.

#tag games #thai bl series #long post #my drama journal 📝#and also this is my reminder to finish that long overdue the eclipse's final thoughts/review :')

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sour-n-salty-citrus · 3 years

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Do you have any hopes for the season finale? I saw in another ask, you described the dynamic between rick and morty this season as "very weak, distant, and downright frankly boring" and I completely agree with you! I hope that, because this is most we'll see rick and morty interacting this season, it'll have at least a few moments of what makes their dynamic so interesting to watch.

(Ok i started airing my grievances with this season, which ended up being... long, so skip this paragraph (starting at / / /) to get to my thoughts on the finale)

Oh gosh I remember that ask (I think-). And yeah, maybe I'm being a bit overly critical. I'll probably look back on this season with retrospect, and a kinder, fonder view. Ik androgynousblackbox (think thats right) made a great point about it being the season FOR rickorty shippers. And sure, I agree on some bits, like Rick acting all pissy and partying the way you would if your ex got with someone new in the planetina ep. Overall though, i think my problem lies in that I was enjoying more individual moments than episodes themselves, especially the middle three. For example- Amortycan Grickfitti. Like, I really liked the idea of the Ship getting on a crazy adventure with Summer and Morty (and Chutback). I like the idea of a Beth-Jerry-Rick adventure. But put together, it's just kinda... meh? You know? I liked the first half of the Thanksgiving special... but it kinda dragged on after that. I get that they want to give other characters (particularly female ones) more attention, which is completely understandable and i encourage it(!) but I can't help but find it underwhelming. Like, Summer in the voltron ep was like- girl how are you STILL vying for Rick's attention! He's the worst! Haven't we done this already? (I will say though I ADORE how far Beth has come, props to her for continuing to seeing through her dad's BS. I was worried the character would relapse into a more typical s1/s2 Beth, and I'm glad she didn't). Some of these plots, funnily enough, seem more fitting of the comics (they actually had a voltron parody already). Fun and entertaining for two or three-something issues, not so much a 22 minute episode. i think most of my complaints come from the dynamic between our titular characters- ok, I know I'm very biased (I mean you can see it), but I came to the show primarily for their relationship. It doesn't even feel drama-fueled, just that they kinda... can't be arsed. I'm torn because on the one hand, they're unhealthily codependent and this separation is probably a good thing, but on the other... it doesn't feel natural? I'm not sure if that's the right word- it's like, season 4 had them practically joint at the hip, but all that's suddenly flung out the window. It just kinda feels like this "i got better things to do" vibe from both of them and its strange. The only time they both got a solo adventure (I'm classifying "solo" as an adventure where they spent a significantly large portion of time together, without the other family members) was in the sperm ep and Thanksgiving ep. And, well, in the Thanksgiving ep Morty felt like a side character in his own show, and the sperm ep... um. Yeah. I don't think it's AS bad as people were saying, but I was cringing the whole time (the second hand embarrassment for Morty was so strong I had to turn off the episode multiple times and return to it. It's just like- godammit MORTY). And I think there's good reason those two seemed to be the most disliked episodes overall. They're the ones RaM spend the most time together and it's... meh. Meh? Meh. I don't mean to say the season overall is bad (it has loads of good points, and its amazing for Smith family as a whole) just that if we're talking specifically about the dynamic between these two? Yeah, I wouldn't recommend a single episode from this season so far to use as an example of their relationship.

/ / /

There's one thing this season has been pretty good at, though. And it's showing us what happens when Rick is alone.

And that brings me to the finale.

"Who is Rick without Morty?"

Well... we already know the answer to that. Pathetic. Sad. Lonely.

This season has been phenomenal in humbling Rick. (And trust me I'm happy for it- every time someone beats the crap outta this shitty old man I'm like YES!!! IT'S WHAT HE DESERVES!). Ep 1 had his "nemesis" clearly besting him, ep 2 had Beth making constant digs (love her) and overall pointing out his extreme callousness and cruelty towards even himself(ves). Ep 3- when Morty shows interest in a girl and ditches him (like seriously it's not like he's moving out, chill) he immediately goes on a bender and develops a deep attachment to the first person he can (wearing yellow, funnily enough). Ep 4, he devotes himself to becoming an "honest man" for his new child, only for it to instantly be taken away from him. Ep 5 highlights how RICK is the asshole for making fun of and taking advantage of someone well-meaning and honest, if "simple", and how literally not cool that is. Ep 6 has his crazy rivalry with the president, and they both get smacked down a couple pegs for that. Ep 7 shows what happens when he allows himself to get carried away, and that he can end up driving everyone else away in the process (lucky they still wanted to save his ass when he needed them). And episode 8? Hooooo boy. Episode. 8. We see a direct parallel in Birdperson with Morty, and the whole "Rick and [insert] 100 years!" Rick has few people he cares about, arguably only one or two that he truly devotes himself to, but when he does, boy does he go HARD. We see younger Rick, optimistic, energetic, friendly and hopeful. And we see all of that crushed in minutes. Rick is desperate for a companion, someone to see the stars with. He needs someone there, someone he can trust and rely on to stay. Someone like Morty. So without Morty, who is Rick?

No one.

And the thing is, Morty doesn't need Rick anymore. Not like Rick needs him. In season 1, Morty was this bright-eyed kid who was new to the cosmos and the multiverse, who needed his grandpa there with him as they explored all these places together. But that's not him anymore. That's not them.

The promo has Morty using the portal gun to go somewhere w/o Rick's permission (i like to think it's boob world lol). It doesn't matter to me as much where he's going, as much as he's doing it alone. He doesn't just not need Rick there, he doesn't want him.

(Also correct me if im wrong but I've missed that sweet portal gun so much. I think the last ep was like- the first time this season we saw it).

Morty's response to Rick? "Replace me!". And wow. Wow. WOW. Morty doesn't give a FUCK! I think Rick thinks that because he's so smart, that he can offer so much, that Morty will come crawling back, and I don't think he will.

Hopes for the finale! Hmm. I mean, I definitely hope "evil" Morty makes a reappearance, haha. I think we all do tbh ;). I want to see some Morty development too, this season has been very Rick-centric (not that there's anything wrong with that!) so I wanna see what's in store for Our Boy. I really hope we get to see the Citadel again, and see the state it's in, but I doubt it. We know something super big is in store, it's just a question of what? Other hopes I have is some Summer + Beth action (please let them team up Im BEGGING) and Jerry too ahaha. I'd love if some other side characters made an appearance as well. Oh- I'm definitely expecting a dramatic cliffhanger at the end of the first half leading to the second half, with the kind of angsty music that leads into the credits (pls that shit is so good (OH WAIT imagine if it was like, for the damaged coda, but like- the chopin version or smth so it could be more subtle maybe bruhhhh)). Ok haha, maybe that's asking too much, the writers made it clear in the story train ep that they weren't gonna do that big dramatic showdown (... unless 👀). Oh, I'd also love some Premium Angst too, like someone getting kidnapped/nearly dying (like ACTUALLY nearly dying). These stakes better be so damn high I could spear a man on them! OH, also I remember androgynousblackbox (is that right? I hope it is) mentioned something along the lines that they could be driving Rick and Morty apart this season in order to have them come back together stronger than ever in an explosive finale, which, I'm strongly hoping for myself.

Thanks if you made it this far! If you have any thoughts on or hopes of your own for the finale please feel free to share! :D

#ohmygod im sorry #i rambled way too long #akdjsksaksn #someone needs to take this phone away #also AGAIN im not shitting on s5 as a whole i actually quite like it #its just the RaM dynamic thats lacking #but again that could be intention so ig we'll see #RaM #rick and morty #meta #?#long post #citrus speaks #oh wait i should probably tag to be safe #rickorty mention

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nightswithkookmin · 3 years

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Hi!💜 Your theories about jikook not being together during a portion of the ON era are interesting. It seemed like they were vibing together in some bits we saw in that era. Like a level of intimacy and comfort (like when they 'played hide and seek' during that sirius radio interview in the states, when jk wouldnt shut up about🎶jm jm yeah jm🎶. What are you seeing that i am not?

Oh lord! Uhmm...

I honestly don't know the answer to your question quite frankly. It's not a competition is all I can say.

We see from our experiences not from our sight? From our intuition not our vision? So, I don't know. We are all experiencing Jikook differently and perceiving them differently is what I think. Some see Jikook and see two brothers, some see them and see two best friends. We see them and see two lovers. What do we see that they don't?

The answer wouldn't matter because at the end of the day, it's all just theory and opinions and not facts. Until Jikook themselves come out as LGBTQ plus and in a relationship with eachother nothing we say here about them matters.

You don't need to see what I see to have an opinion on Jikook or feel your opinion on Jikook is valid. And I don't need to convince you of my opinion for my opinion to be valid.

I am not in this to convince anyone of my opinion about Jikook. Let me set that record straight. And all these concerns about brainwashing people... how stupid do y'all think people are? Yall keep talking as if shippers are dumb and gullible and don't have the brains to distinguish between people's opinions and actual fact. That's very presumptuous, obnoxious and condescending quite frankly. People have brains you know? Chilee.

Mine is just to support Jikook the best way I can- which is to treat them as people and individuals, not fantasies. Thus, I do not want to engage in and will not engage in any argumentative discussions about what these kinds of moments are and what they mean. At the very least we can agree to disagree.

And if it's my opinion you want, I think I have already exhausted this topic across several posts so you can kindly refer to that. Quiet frankly I would rather read your opinion about the topic at this point- Jikook in that era or the era before it. So please share your thoughts as well.

My belief about Jikook don't cancel yours, nor does yours cancel mine- if it did there would be only one ship in BTS and yet here we are amongst a sea of ships all waving the 'it is real' flag.

And these moments you mention are/were very cute and honey I love them too uWu- but are they moments you consider as indicative of two people in an intimate, sexual relationship with eachother? I gotta ask.

Or did you just miss everything else that was happening within that period from their trip to New York and back to S.K?

I think the moments you mention are really cute interactions and there is even much more cuter interactions within that period- my favorite of which would be Teleporter Jeon teleporting his ass from next to Tae all the way to his man because a certain Idol behind him was getting too close- uWu!

I rate teleporter Jeon much higher on my Jikook is real assessment tab than the moments you mention because that is right of authority and claiming right there.

But the moment you mentioned, honestly if I see two people in other ships do it too I am not gonna yell they are a couple you know? And if you wouldn't consider any other ship that did that in BTS to be real too when they do it, then why ask me to believe Jikook is real just because they do these kinds of things?

I mean Jikook is also a tradship like any other ship in BTS after all. And people are going to swoon over their skinship and interactions each time and lament when they think they are not interacting or doing much skinship. But none of that is proof Jikook is real. To me.

I think a distinction ought to be made here between Jikook the tradship and Jikook the alt-ship. To see what I see in Jikook as an alt-shipper, you would have to also be an alt-shipper or at least a tradshipper with an open mind. It's as simple as that.

Jikook in On era is just the climax to a series of tensions between them starting in November 2019 that had nothing to do with Jikook as a couple but was affecting their dynamics anyway. I said I felt it was a period of JK trying to push back against the group putting a leash on them and censoring their interactions in public etc. I said I felt Jimin wasn't there with him- on the same page I mean and I tried to talk about GCF Helenski, MMA 2019 and all that Jazz.

I kept referring to JM as very Kumbaya in nature who would put the interest of the group above his or even JK's and would often shade him for it and joke about it. But after reading his Weverse magazine interview where he talked about doing things to please people because he wants to be loved- I don't find it funny anymore.

And I kept saying I felt JK was trying to assert himself against Jimin and the group. That Jikook in this period had been trying to assert themselves against eachother and against the group and I'm glad Jimin talked about trying not to be a people pleaser as much and focusing his energy on people who love him- I think I need to take his advice. I'm glad to see him show this level of growth and maturity but I don't trust him. Lol. He isn't exactly known to be one to keep the promises he makes to himself- if what the members say about him is anything to go by. Sigh. But I support this agenda. Self love is everything. You go Park Jimin!

Let's just hope he doesn't relapse because if he do he and Kook are gonna have a problem. In my opinion.

People often see JM as very nurturing of JK but JK pushes JM to be a better person too. That's one way he nurtures Jimin. And I don't have proof of this, but I believe in my heart of hearts based on everything I've seen and said so far about them, that Jikook make each other better individuals. They are perfect for eachother and I support them.

Just as JK, I think, pushes JM to be emotionally assertive, JM pushes JK to be emotionally vulnerable and less possessive- it seems of late.

If you missed all of that happening in the background then certainly On era would fly over your head too. So you can start there.

You can start reflecting on Jikook's moments as individuals who don't exist to feed ships, to try and understand the motivations behind their interactions as humans because that's what I do as an alt-shipper. And when I do and draw conclusions about them, those conclusions are not facts or meant to be. They are just my opinion. I could very much be wrong about them. But it is still my opinion. What's your opinion of them? Whatever it is, it's valid too.

Then there is the whole BigHit releasing content out of order thingy and so you would have to look at all of that and try and reconstruct those too- which is something I do a lot. It is why I haven't commented much on Jikook post JM's birthday. I simply haven't seen enough to theorize on the state of their relationship in this era. When I do I will post a comprehensive theory and analysis and ruffle some feathers while at it. Lol.

Ever wondered why in one moment JM seems to be leaning forward in their relationship, 'acting clingy," chasing JK and in the next JK is the one doing all clingy and the chasing? Their push and pull dynamics is it? Ever wondered why they have that going on with them? Or to you, that just happens?

It's not rhetorical I would like to know. Lol.

I think this trad vs Alt ship wars needs to stop. Let's stay out of eachother's business. It's not a competition. It's really not that deep. We can have our own biases but we can't battle it out with pens and keyboards because none of us know the truth about Jikook. Saying Jikook is not together is a theory just as much as saying Jikook are together. None is factual at all.

And if you believe they are together because believing they are human and can have issues will disrupt your fantasy of them then yikes- miss me with that. Tradship alert. Alexa play Jimin's sirens. Wwwuawwwuawwua. Lol.

And I get that to some people, it's their fantasies on the line, their egos on the line and they would want to protect these interests- but I'm not in the validation business. My ego is not on the line, my fantasies is not on the line. Jikook kills me as much as they heal me and guess what- I like it. Stock Holmes is real people. Lol.

Just do you. No one is right when it comes to Jikook. That's just the gist of it.

You talk about those moments as intimate... True. But intimacy to me is when Jimin, in a euphoric state turns instinctively to hug JK but stops himself as he did in the recent Grammy reaction video or even throughout the recent Runs- when he shot the hoop and won and turned around in excitement towards Kook but then didn't know what to do with himself. He is a physically affectionate person and he is used to a certain level of intimacy between him and Kook and that shows.

Intimacy is when JM reaches to kiss the top of JK's head but stops himself because he is in the middle of filming a run episode. Intimacy is JK reaching to touch Jimin in excitement, in Soop when they were playing puzzle or whatever, but stops himself because there are cameras filming.

You can't hide this kind of intimacy nor can you fake it. Your instincts will always give you away.

It's like that moment in the elevator from Bangtan Bomb when the doors were closing and Jimin was left behind and when JK noticed Jimin was not in there with them he panicked and yelled for them to stop the door from closing or something but it was too late. Probably pouted and glared at whoever didn't hold the door open for Jimin throughout that right- poor Kookie. Lmho.

Or when Jimin yelled at JK when JK was contemplating whether or not to join Jimin's team in Bon V or Run I don't remember which lol. He seemed like he had reached his limits there- now if you would excuse me, I have tears to shed.

When they exhibit these involuntary reactions in certain moments I think it speaks more of how close they really are and the level of intimacy between them not when they play hide and seek in a middle of an interview- that just shows they are goofy. It's nothing TaeJin haven't done or wouldn't do. Jin and Tae do same too. I mean they tried to kiss or whatever they were trying to do during the dynamite MV reaction VLive. I wouldn't say that is proof Taejin are dating eachother too.

But when one of them can't exercise a right of authority over the other like they often do when they are together together, or when they are not claiming eachother, minding their boundaries like they usually do most times, reassuring eachother when one of them clearly is seeking reassurance and validation or closeness or when the others around them suddenly stop respecting the right of authority either one of them has over the other- then that is a sign because all of these and a lot more I can't even get into is what makes them a couple. In my point of view and opinion.

Jikook are friends and lovers. They were friends before lovers. They were interacting and goofing around and trying to kiss and what not too when they were just friends. They were doing all of that before they starting getting into eachother- that's not a metaphor.

Unless, you mean to tell me they started dating from day dot? In which case I have no words. Skinship is not a sign Jikook is real.

Jikook is real, they try to play off most of their interactions as fanservice but they are real. And for Jimin, because 'the boy in love with the Maknae' is also a key aspect of his persona and a facade he hides behind to love JK, it's easy for him to act it up for the cameras.

Most people see this persona of Jimin too and I think it is why they dismiss his feelings for JK as bro love or even claim Jikook is fanservice. That what Jimin feels for JK is fanservice and they could be right but I just don't believe or share that view simply because I see what they see and more. You may not see that aspect of Jimin but that doesn't mean others don't. Perspective is everything.

It's why I said if you look at JM's way of expressing himself as the sole indicator that Jikook is real and prefer his way of expressing himself over that of Kookie that you've been played.

It takes two to tango. JK is part of that dynamic and he is also expressing his feelings for JM too- in a different less loud way. Jikook is not one sided. Jimin cannot be the only one carrying their relationship on his back. His feelings for Kook is not unrequited. Jimin just over expresses himself sometimes. Jk doesn't express himself enough but when he does it is much more louder and intense than Jimin- I'd say in my opinion but fuck it. I'm tired.

That kind of intimacy between Jikook is something I would consider with high regard in deciding whether or not two people are dating and not just their skinship or interactions. But to each his own.

BTS in general are a very intimate group. You can expect a certain level of closeness and familiarity between them- all of them including Jikook. But that in no way indicate they are dating eachother. Please, your honor. Thank you. Lol.

May be you should go back and reevaluate the timeline with the new content we've got and the new information and try not to latch on to the good stuff but critically examine all the questionable moments that happened within that time frame because dismissing all those clues is how Tae Kook is real and Yoonmin is real and VMin is real- ok not VMin, Tae wants him some piece of Jibooty but let's not talk about that. Lol.

If Tae kook is real it's unrequited, if VMin is real it's unrequited. If Jikook is real it's mutual and I can't be mad at that- it feels random but those who sent those asks would understand. Lol.

Keep supporting Jikook. Jikook is real. By real I mean HUMAN. Deuces.

Signed,

GOLDY

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glittering-snowfall · 3 years

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When talking to people about the ice boat scene from different corners of the fandom, I found it fascinating that both the Elsanna shippers I’ve talked to and the Kristanna shippers I’ve talked to are incredibly pained and devastated by it.

The Elsanna shippers I’ve talked to describe a sense of pain and heartbreak that Elsa would push Anna away again. I’ve talked with people who’ve described watching the scene in horror, in grief, because, “Elsa, what are you doing? You promised Anna you’d do this together! Don’t push her away again! Elsa, please, don’t do this!”

I know that I, as an Elsanna shipper, felt that devastation in my heart. Watching the ice boat scene feels crushing to me because it feels like a betrayal. The sisters were able to heal Arendelle in the first film because they came together, because Elsa finally let her heart feel what her heart had been yearning for, for years, and let Anna in. All those years in the first film, trusting the prescripts of others instead of your own heart, and you’re able to help heal the land when you stop putting p walls against your sister. Their love, their faith in each other, gives them both strength in the first film and saves the land.

Elsanna shippers feel hurt because the ice boat scene feels like Elsa putting up those walls again. And many Elsanna shippers sympathize deeply with Anna’s position in Frozen 2. They sympathize deeply with Anna. Anna, who has been talking good sense this whole movie: “Elsa, don’t be reckless. Don’t be rash. Don’t run into fire. You don’t have to go this alone. We’re stronger together,” while Elsa hasn’t been listening. It’s heartbreaking for them to watch, especially as the movie emphasizes Anna having to learn things (apologizing for leaving Kristoff behind because she was just so desperate to protect Elsa) when it seems like, Anna doesn’t have to learn anything. Anna is in the right. Anna is in the right. And yet the film frames it as her having to come to terms with change and her sister operating out of her sphere when really, the conflict rests on trust.

There’s a definite sense from Elsanna shippers (myself included) that Elsa should be better than this - that she shouldn’t have pushed Anna and Olaf away. There were other ways, ways that were more rooted in actually “doing this together” - in making a mission plan together even if it meant Elsa going on alone. And there’s also a sense that - even if Elsa isn’t better than this because it logically makes sense that she’s in a traumatic situation and does not want her loved ones to die - she should have more clearly apologized for her actions.

It does genuinely feel out-of-character for Elsa to me - at least to a degree. I’m not one of those people who claims, “Elsa was completely rewritten in F2!” In fact, seeing Elsa relapse into bad choices that were ingrained in her from childhood seems very in-character for Elsa during a crisis. People don’t outgrow things like that easily - and having Elsa completely outgrow that conditioning would be unrealistic. But it feels off to me that Elsa wouldn’t apologize immediately upon reunion with Anna and Olaf. And, I know, the filmmakers wanted Elsa to be less apologetic in this movie. But they also wrote her doing something that they wanted to stress was so intense that they had Olaf get angry about it. Elsa apologizing for her actions in this one scene wouldn’t be like the times she’s apologized for existing.

(On that note, to the people who used the post about the ice boat scene I wrote on my other blog to claim that “Elsa never apologizes because Elsa never feels she’s done something wrong,” your assessment of Elsa is factually incorrect. Elsa feels she does things wrong constantly, sometimes to a crippling degree. Elsa has apologized multiple times throughout the franchise and that anxiety and pain on Elsa’s part is why the filmmaker’s desire for her to be less apologetic makes a certain degree of sense. It doesn’t make sense in the context of the ice boat scene and its aftermath, however, because of the specific way the filmmakers frame the moment for Anna and Olaf... meaning that we as the audience want Anna and Olaf to get closure and then... the film doesn’t give it to them.

And that’s the thing: the sentiment of pain, grief, and anger from Elsanna shippers over the ice boat scene isn’t irrational. In fact, it’s very rational because the film itself frames the moment as a kind of betrayal. The film wants the moment to be a gut-punch. That’s why it goes so far to have Olaf, the most innocent of characters, express anger at Elsa’s actions. So Elsanna shippers aren’t just angry because our headcanons/hopes of the sisters genuinely working together were dashed. We’re feeling what the film explicitly wants us to feel and conditions us to feel.

And the fact that Olaf’s anger and Anna’s anger never gets brought up again? That’s a legitimate flaw in the film. I know I’ve seen people’s defenses of it saying, “It makes sense in-universe that Anna would be too relieved to be angry at that moment, and they must have talked it over at a later time,” but that’s an excuse for a dangling plot thread, not a resolution to the plot thread. It’s headcanon.

So Elsanna shippers have to sit back and watch, while agreeing with the sensible things Anna is saying, and suffer through the film trying to teach Anna a lesson when Anna’s protectiveness of Elsa (Elsa, who is doing increasingly reckless things without consulting her family much at all) makes the most sense onscreen.

Meanwhile, Kristanna shippers can be incredibly devastated by the ice boat scene as well. (I’m specifically referring to a specific number of Anna fans, most of whom ship KA, hence my initially describing them by ship and not just calling them “Anna fans” - because there are Anna fans who ship Elsanna too and I don’t want to be needlessly confusing.)

And, interestingly, these KA shippers’ frustrations often mirror the EA shippers’ frustrations in key ways. They relate to Anna’s pain deeply. Like the grieving Elsanna shippers, they also feel, Anna is in the right, Anna is in the right and I’ve talked to people in this circle who feel the most agonizing thing about F2 is watching Anna try to hold her family together while being torn apart at the seams. And I sympathize with that deeply. It also stings me to see Anna leaving Kristoff behind.

But, where the EA shippers tend to feel, “Elsa should be better than this,” there’s sometimes a tendency among these KA shippers to be like, “Elsa should be better than this - and, because she isn’t, that proves that Elsa is a horrible person and Anna needs to break free of her.”

Where the EA shippers see Elsa’s actions as out-of-character (or, at least, in-character but a character flaw that needs resolution by the film’s end... which the film doesn’t give), this group seems to see Elsa’s actions as validation of something they’ve been arguing since before F2 - that there are unhealthy aspects to the sisters’ dynamic and/or awkward elements in the way the franchise writes that dynamic. And, judging from F2, there are uncomfortable and negative aspects to the sisters’ dynamic (which the film doesn’t really give any firm closure on - yes, they’re in different places now, but did they talk about what happened with the ice boat? Did anyone get closure on that, and what does that say about both of them?) And, yes, the franchise can sometimes idealize Elsa at the expense of Anna. These are valid critiques.

Still, as someone who remembers cracks about “Elsa never letting Anna enjoy a party” before F2 came out, I feel that some of the negativity towards Elsa is born of these people’s own biases. (For those unfamiliar, there was a post going around before F2 came out “joking” about how Elsa never lets Anna enjoy a party. First she flees the coronation ball and Anna has to go after her. Then she gets sick in Frozen Fever and Anna has to be stressed about her all the time. Then she shuts the door on Anna in OFA. Of these examples in the “joke,” I feel the first two are very much unfounded. Elsa’s powers were revealed at the coronation ball and she was fleeing for her life; she didn’t “ruin the party” out of spite. Also, how dare Elsa... get sick and still want to give Anna a happy experience on her birthday? However, I don’t like the moment in OFA either, myself, especially considering the visible pain on Anna’s face seeing that door close again. Regarding the “Elsa never lets Anna enjoy a party�� comments, I mentioned to a friend that I found them mean-spirited. She told me they were “just a joke” and I was overreacting.)

EDIT: A friend came to me, frustrated that I was bringing up the “Elsa never lets Anna enjoy a party post from years ago - even though I made clear that the post was from years ago by saying that it was from before F2 came out. I realize that it is unfair to equate the negativity towards Elsa in that post with the negativity I have seen in recent weeks towards Elsa. So I want to make clear again that I didn’t mean to EQUATE that negativity with the anti-Elsa negativity I’ve seen from certain people recently.

I mean, I tried to make that clear by making a deliberate distinction between people who are critical of Elsa for valid reasons and extreme people - and by “extreme people,” I mean people who put things like this in their bios:

I didn’t want to bring up this individual, even though they ship KA, because I didn’t want people to feel I was generalizing all KA shippers as being like this person. I know all KA shippers are NOT like this person, that’s why I describe people like this person as “extremists” and “people on the other extreme.”

I brought up the party meme, not to dredge up old wounds, but because the party meme was a lesser example of negativity towards Elsa that didn’t feel as incendiary as bringing this person up.

I’ll also admit, I was trying to convey a sense of the history of negativity towards Elsa by bringing up a time before F2 and all of its controversial choices came out, when people were still making what I felt to be unfair statements about Elsa that are contradicted by looking back at the actual text of the franchise.

I’m sorry to those that felt hurt by me mentioning this again. I’m sorry that I still feel that the old joke was in poor taste and distorted and twisted canon for the sake of snark.

I do feel, though, that the extremist negativity towards Elsa that is around today doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It didn’t just emerge fully formed out of the blue - and citing something from the past can highlight that. it can prove that there was undue negativity towards Elsa in certain circles even before F2 came out.

And I know it was just a joke and I don’t mean to rain on your fun years later, but I still feel it’s a joke rooted in a deliberate misreading of the text. If people years ago said, “Elsa was being hurtful to Anna by fleeing for her life” and “Elsa was being hurtful to Anna by trying to make her birthday a happy one even at the expense of Elsa’s own health,” then that’s a deliberate misreading of the text, especially in the first instance, even if it was just a joke, a lark (jokes can still be in poor taste, or based on falseness, however old they may be) - and such misreadings of the text have only gotten worse in the intervening years.

But I NEVER meant to equate the joke from years ago with the “Elsa should have been killed off” attitude.

And I apologize - because I know all too well what it’s like to be lumped in with extremists. People do it to Elsanna shippers all the time. Again, that’s why, across the post, I made distinctions between the beliefs of extremists and the beliefs of people who have genuine frustrations based on the franchise’s flaws.

Forgive me, I meant for this post to highlight connections between disparate groups of people - and I went out of my way to express sympathy and solidarity with KA shippers who have valid critiques. The purpose of this post was meant to be connective, not disruptive - and I’m sorry I failed in that.

END OF EDIT

I don’t believe the filmmakers intended to make Elsa a horrible person. I also don’t believe the filmmakers meant to portray the sisters’ bond as inherently toxic.

But, like the EA shippers, these KA shippers are reacting to legitimate flaws in the text, loose ends that the film doesn’t return to. If the ice boat scene was important enough for there to be a visible turning of Olaf’s emotions, something that is so notable that even the film takes note of it, then the fact that the scene is brushed aside later in the movie feels... off. Like we’re not getting resolution or conclusion. Besides the sentiment, “It makes sense that no one would bring it up at the end because that would kill the mood (even though it seems emotionally important for all involved) and of course it was all resolved offscreen somewhere more fully instead of being resolved onscreen.” And I can sympathize with that, even if I fundamentally disagree with those that overly-demonize Elsa.

Interestingly, when I wrote my old post about the ice boat scene on my other blog, Isa of all people reblogged it (as did several KA shippers) - but I get the feeling her take on the ice boat scene is probably something like, “Yes, it’s out of character for Elsa... but that means the filmmakers hate Elsa and want to prop up Anna.” Which is wrong. Like, really wrong. Isa’s tone can also be surprisingly callous towards Anna - which is why I didn’t include her in my discussion of EA shippers whose heartbreak about the scene stems mainly from their empathizing with Anna. Her racist rhetoric and her fury is corrosive to everyone.

Likewise, the people on the other extreme who feel that Elsa is abusive and that the filmmakers hate Anna and love Elsa are wrong. (Note: I am not equating people’s Bad Takes on Elsa with racism. But the Bad Elsa takes are still wrong.)

I think extremists need to shake the idea that filmmakers “hate” their characters. Sometimes, bad writing is just bad writing.

Sometimes, bad ramifications can come from good intentions.

Like, I’ve spent a great deal of this post criticizing the ice boat scene - and especially criticizing the way the aftermath is handled onscreen. But the scene itself also has many merits. It’s complicated. It’s a moment of crisis. And both sisters are partly right and partly wrong. In and of itself, the scene actually displays good writing. But the fact the film later brushes aside the complicated themes it introduces in that moment, undermines the good in the scene taken alone. It leaves that aspect of the narrative feeling emotionally unsatisfying.

Sometimes, the flaws in a film are complicated.

And sometimes, people can agree on certain things without even realizing it. Because I’ve referenced ways that two groups of people with opposite ships actually have similar frustrations about the scene.

And I know, I’m not “on the outside looking in” when it comes to any of this. I ship EA and KA, so I’m in the thick of it and I’m not trying to portray myself as a neutral third party. That’s why I wrote about my own grief and frustrations with the scene.

And to everyone who was aggrieved that my post about the ice boat scene from ages ago furthered anti-Elsa sentiment because it was reblogged by negative people, that was never my intention. And I hope this post comes across as more neutral and well-argued.

Thank you.

#frozen #frozen 2

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iaintyourbro · 4 years

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Your first ask is me? I feel bad now your first ask is about a biased CA... :( I always see you out there writing great ideas and opinions on things! You deserve more asks! About my ask I know other people picked their favorite and all, but that's all they did. A VA is like saying all these things about A fixing C and shit and that's not it. That's not the story. That's not the game. She's putting wrong ideas in the fans/shippers heads while working for SE. I just find that a little pathetic. +

2/2 + but I won't e-mail anyone. That was just me being petty. And kind of joking too. (Sorry for my English)

Oh, please, don’t feel bad at all! I think it’s a great starting question to get me thinking. Also, your English is FANTASTIC. I assumed you were a native speaker!

I 100% agree with you on how she’s saying the wrong things. I didn’t even know she was going that far. Like I said, I really can’t tolerate watching her because it’s so extreme to one side.

Based on that, it sounds like she really didn’t play through the OG. It’s clear that Aerith doesn’t do anything to “fix” Cloud. Her job and her role is for the overall plot of FF7. She’s a very important character in that regard. Without her, the world is screwed (well, without her in the Lifestream but). Tifa legit is the only one that can help fix Cloud later on - by guiding him and letting him come to terms with everything on his own.

Did Aerith make Cloud a bit more open? Yes, absolutely. Every character that Cloud deals with develops him further, and I love that. It’s not just Tifa or Aerith. Barret. All of AVALANCHE gives him development. Marle gives him development. The Trio, Jules, all of them. It’s wholesome as hell that he really does listen and refers to things he’s learned later in the game. Watching him go from “Not interested” to being super worried about Wedge when he falls from the pillar is GOOD CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.

I think Aerith teaches him some social skills - like high-fives. It’s silly, but Cloud was afraid to high-five. His persona won’t let him do anything that’s gonna make him possibly get rejected or hurt. It’s silly, but our boy is pretty messed up at this point.

She also teaches him sympathy. When she’s talking about Zack in the park she’s just SAD. I felt for her. I was really glad they did so much Zack/Zerith referencing in the remake. This isn’t to say he didn’t show any sympathy or concern before - he did notice a lot if Tifa seemed nervous or upset. This was more obvious, though, because he was pretty closed off from Aerith until she talked about Zack.

Cloud softens up when he realizes she’s sad about this unknown person who he isn’t allowed to know the name of, which to me is a huge improvement with how he dealt with things like that before. @silver-wield Did a full interpretation of the park scene that covers this in more detail. She also has one on the high-fives.

Him learning to listen to people instead of blowing them off, him remembering the lessons Tifa taught him at surviving life on the ground floor, (he asks her in Chapter 10 if following the stench is another lesson... as he’s smiling btw).

What actually will piss me off is people saying he was a stoic, closed off jerk until Chapter 8. It’s just not true. He grew a LOT from his first line to his last one in Chapter 7. Before Aerith. Then he continues to grow. Shipping who you want is fine until you start deleting parts of the actual story.

If the story didn’t go in the Cloti direction, I guarantee you I probably would have gone with whatever the final pairing was. I generally do. Squall and Rinoa, Yuna and Tidus, Celes and Locke, Rosa and Cecil. You know, the linear relationships.

The exception for me was Lucrecia and Vincent... cuz I just was so grossed out that she picked Hojo. DoC cleared up some of it, but still. I had head canon that Vincent was Sephiroth’s father yada yada. When I found out it’s canon that Hojo is - that there’s legit NO POSSIBILITY of Vincent being his father, I accepted it. I didn’t go online and start twisting the story and attacking people. It didn’t take away from my fan fiction enjoyment at all.

I assume it’s like people who ship Squall and Quistis, for example. Nothing in the game indicates this (he rejects her hard - “Then go talk to a wall”), but people do. That’s okay, I don’t enjoy that pairing (hot for teacher, anyone?), but I know people do. The differences with that pairing and C//erith is NOBODY GOES ONLINE AND FIGHTS THE FF8 STORY TO PUSH THAT SHIP. They don’t sit here and rip the story up, ignore parts, don’t play past certain parts/skip chapters/quests whatever. Then they start quoting things that were debunked long ago.

I am absolutely fine with shipping who you want. You just can’t change the actual story to fit it and then argue with facts. That’s what makes this brutal. I also don’t care if the VAs ship whoever. They just can’t put false ideas into the heads of fans. It either creates false hope for one side or anxiety for the other. It doesn’t end well, especially since people expect that she may know more than we do. They’ll take those comments to heart much more than a random person on the internet...

Also: I would not judge or look down on you for emailing Square, cuz I think it’s the funny kind of petty! I’d be that petty too, but probably never actually send it!

#cloti #cloud x tifa #cloud strife #ff7r #ff7 remake #ff7r spoilers #final fantasy 7 remake #final fantasy vii remake #tifa lockhart #ff7 character development #some ff8 #i can be petty #shipping wars #ltd #zerith

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isazulabaeorwhat · 4 years

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Spill the tea, what's the deal with you and the BSG group (avatar-chang and her squad in particular)?

Ok anon, sorry for taking so long! I wanted to get everything right and honestly collecting the posts took a longass time xD

Anyways, the only ones I have a problem there are avatar-chang, hexful/dykesia/bizukos, catrademption, cardboardseagulls (never seen interacted b4) and bizulas (also never interacted b4).

I’m going to be really transparent about this whole thing so it’s gonna be long as there’s gonna be several links and I’ve included the dates so it’ll be easier to understand. Since I’ll be fully transparent about this, i’ll probably get hate or whatever. Honestly, I just want to put everything out there without being biased or hiding anything. I’m going to disclose everything here.

So, the whole thing between me and avatar-chang started off with this post I made last year on 10 March 2019. Afterwards, she PMed me on the same day and this was the conversation:

After that, I thought the argument was over because she blocked me lmao. The only ones I spoke to about this was nbw and my real life friends (who had nothing to do with ATLA lmao I just ranted to them).

And then the next incident I think was on 16 March 2019 when I made this post about Azula’s abuse of her friends. I was new and 16. I genuinely wanted to know why people labeled Azula as an abuser. It was dykesia who responded to me at the time.

Now, unlike avatar-chang, I had a few conversations with dykesia (who was bizukos then) that was generally civil. I first interacted with her when she made a post calling out Zucest shippers or something?? I was very new. Like fresh newbie baby ATLA tumblr fan new lmao so I thought what she said was too aggressive. I didn’t realize that there were actual Zucest shippers until after some time. And then she PMed me on 13 March 2019, saying that she doesn’t always agree on characters with me but I do write some interesting pieces on Azula— that she’s a huge fan of Azula but she just tends to stay away from her fandom. I apologized about the previous incident of the Zucest thing and it was fine after then. We talked about zuko, the fandom, the comics, Mai etc etc. I thought we were on fine terms.

And then I made a post about the cliff scene in the comics on 16 March 2019. Avatar-Chang made a post that was pretty directed at the post but it seems like she’s deleted it.

On 17 March 2019, I received an anon mail telling me that avatar-chang was talking shit about me behind my back. I censored her name then because I didn’t want to believe without any evidence. No one sent me any screenshots about it so I just dismissed it.

On the same day, avatar-chang answered an anon and talked about the 13 child post theory I made on 9 March.

On 23 April 2019, I received another anon mail about avatar-chang, asking if I’d seen the post she made about Azula. I censored her name again cuz I didn’t want to start any shit over having differing opinions. I’m assuming this is the post the anon was referring to.

On 28 April 2019, dykesia/hexful/bizukos PMed me to ask if I was talking shit about other people behind their backs, and her. I denied this because I hadn’t. This was how the conversation went:

Yes, I didn’t censor any name because as I said, full transparency. I have afp blocked because we’ve clashed several times and he’d still come for my posts last year despite already being blocked. If you’ve followed me long enough, you probably would’ve rmbered that time lmao

Anyways during then, I don’t think I realized that dykesia was actually being passive aggressive. It’d been barely a year since I started the blog and I just didn’t want to full out make enemies. Reading the messages now tho lmao she really was passive aggressive. But yeah then she said this in bsg so I don’t even know why she bothered to ask me if she wasn’t even going to consider believing me.

The 9th of June 2019 was the last time she messaged and it was to ask if I mind her discoursing this Zuko post while ‘hard and drunk’. It was the first time she could apparently agree with me so it was I quote a ‘Yay??’. Afterwards I don’t know when she did it but she blocked me lmao

On 17 July 2019, I received another anon mail telling me that avatar-chang publicly called me a bitch when she was answering an anon about me posting the scans of the EK Chronicles. She mentioned this in bsg again on 19 April 2020 lmao (she’s that petty) it seems:

On November 8 2019, an anon (one of avatar-chang’s friends actually) asked about my thoughts towards the allegations against Aaron Ehasz. I still believe in the system of ‘Innocent before proven guilty’, so I didn’t side with anyone. I tried to be as objective as possible. When I said that I hoped men would also come forward, I said that because I don’t want men to just sit on the sidelines and let the women get the heat if they were telling the truth. At the end of this whole thing, I concluded that Ehasz was a dick of a boss to the girls. Being called an abuser carries more weight than just being a dick. Everyone has been a dick at one point, but being an abuser is something else. Just because Ehasz was a dick doesn’t mean I’m going to stop watching TDP or dismiss his involvement in ATLA.

The next day, BSG brought the issue up despite both avatar-chang having already blocked me by then lmao

On 5 February 2020, after Legacy of the Fire Nation came out, I made a post calling out Iroh’s bs to Azula (guy literally blames Azula for everything that happened to Zuko (something which avatar-chang agrees with apparently, and Iroh even sees Ozai in a better light).

That’s so far what I’ve remembered that involved avatar-chang and dykesia.

Moving on to the next three attackers: catrademption, cardboardseagulls and bizulas.

I’ve seen catrademption around, but I don’t remember if we’ve clashed before. We must have though cuz she’s got me blocked lmao and I mostly only debate back to people when they reply to my posts. For cardboardseagulls and bizulas, I don’t think I’ve ever seen them them before but obviously they’ve seen my blog and misinterpreted everything I’ve written.

But according to them, I’m apparently a Azula apologist, extremist, irrational, toxic, coddles and woobifies Azula, justifies everything she does and invalidates abuse victims.

You can see the posts I’ve made to judge whether I actually am an irrational Azula apologist who blames everything on Zuko. One of the most recent posts I made about Azula’s character is this, and there’s still several more posts like that. Just search #meta or #analysis in my blog search and all of them will just pop up. I can assure you, I have never acted as if Azula has done nothing wrong or did everything right or whatever lies these people are spewing.

If anyone has proof that I’ve talked shit about people in the fandom to other people before, please, present your evidence. I highly think this is impossible because I actually don’t have many friends on Tumblr, nor do I usually initiate conversation because I’m awkward af.

I’ve also tried approaching those I recognized in bsg to find out more about the situation (and at least give my side of the story). Most of them have chosen not to speak to me LMAO but one of them who’s chosen to remain anonymous for their privacy, admitted that dykesia (hexful) forced them to block a blog before (after realizing they were interacting with said blog) and if not, they would be blocked themselves. I can’t post the conversation publicly because they’re afraid their speech mannerism will give away their identity. @space-sword has also shared his experience with avatar-chang on his blog and was pressured to cut off ties with ppb21 just to join the oh so magnificent Ba Sing Gay.

There’s absolutely no reason to judge someone based on their sexual orientation, race, color or age either. They rant about being discriminated against or being generalized or stereotypes but they’re the ones hypocritically committing these actions, and then justify their actions by saying ‘we’re oppressed, they’re not, so it’s not racism or discrimination’. And yet people still wonder why discrimination is still rampant LMAO

I can’t speak for the blogs they victimized in bsg, but I personally don’t agree with talking shit about them on a public server and then criminalizing them as if they’re actually predators. I also don’t agree with involving the blogs’ friends simply because of their association. I also don’t agree with demanding people to block blogs they don’t like because that’s just pure manipulation. That’s wrong and marginalizing people. Unless someone has actually been harassing or literally preying on people, then there’s no reason to actually go around warning blogs about them unless they’re asked about it.

If they feel uncomfortable about something? Then avoid that blog, filter their tags or even block that blog if they’re that uncomfortable—BUT they shouldn’t demand others to do the same just for their own benefit. It’s not up to them to decide what a person can or cannot see or who they can or cannot interact with. They’re not their parents, and they obviously have no right to pressure people into doing things they don’t want to. If they think it tactless that I shared the conversations? Oh honestly, a line was crossed when they spread shit about me so idc. If they actually feel terrible for being called out? GOOD. That’s what they should feel, because in no way was any of what they were doing right or justified. If they’re going to shit on me then expect to be burned because I’m not someone who’ll just shrivel in fear because they have a bigger following.

#ba sing gay #bsg

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blarhiv · 4 years

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Now i understand why people say shipping is toxic. Since i started seeing Jikook more than friends and notice the shipwars, i cant watch taekook interactions, i literally scroll down when i see a taekook-yoonmin etc. ship accounts. Because deep down i am scared their interactions will make me notice Jikook is not actually that special. I just saw a tkk moment and watched it this time. And indeed, Jikook's interactions aren't special now i look at it objectively –> –>

Because if some interactions happened between others, i'd say it's friendship. But between Jikook, the same interaction seems as if it means more than friendship. It's ridiculous. Like in the last live, tkk stared at each other for so long. And i know it doesn't meant anything. We do that with my friends when we cant find something to say. But when it happens between Jikook, inckuding me, we all make a big deal out of it. Because that's what we want to see. What i want to see. I can't enjoy BTS content as much as i did before anymore. Because however all of us deny it, i am sure most of us, just like me, search for some moment between Jikook instead of actually enjoying the content. Even unconciously. This is what is toxic about shipping. I'm not even talking about toxic shippers which is something else. It hit me so hard. And because i already fell into this ship, now i will never be able to watch BTS videos lile how i did years ago. I don't know what to do. Maybe i am delusional about Jikook but i believe in them. But tkkrs do, too. And yoonminers. Anyone does, really. They believe in their ship as much as i do. And it discourages me, making me realize actually how stuck i am with a ship that might not even be real. Tell me something, please. I want to watch BTS without worrying about ships. I want to go back to the times i never knew about shipping. I really need help. Guh..

Hi!

You know, I absolutely relate this situation about not be able to watch bts content without searching KM and so on. It really happens unconsciously. Just my mind in one deep corner of head tells me “hey! here we are!”. Before, it was really hard level, like I really couldnt watch anything calmly. Not now, gladly. Just take it easy. Everything comes from our heads (wow, captain obvious). Also environment affects a lot.. You know,I even would say this( but get me correctly please) : ship isnt a first thing and even isnt a second thing in supporting group, member, music etc... You dont have to prove anything to anyone. They are real? Perfect? No? Amazing.

About second part of the topic. Ship wars- that sucks. The only way to avoid it- try to follow only proven pages, dont use some apps, dont search such info and so on.. Personally, I follow some pages, don’t search any info about what i dont like to see.. kinda.. for what..we all have better things to do. And about KM’s relationships...as I said before, to be very honest, its not an ending of this world if truth isnt like we want it be. Their behavior is similar with others? Yes, absolutely. But if you harmless enjoy their interactions, harmless believe that there is something else.. then its good! Why not? This is a personal matter. If others believe in tkk, ym, TaeYotan... good! Its only their business. No one is right, no one if wrong. Because we dont know the actual truth! And unlikely we will. If talking biased, there are a lot of moment that make KM different, if we compare with others. But this is only opinion. My advice- take it easy. This is conclusion I came after 3 years. Relax. And I really don’t know what to do with this thing when you unconsciously search KM haha... I suppose,only time treats. Thats how was with me. And i’ll say honestly- if i didnt have blog, it would be even easier to watch bts content. Also work with own head. Yeah, life is always work on yourself. Everything comes from our mind..

Also...just remember why you came to this sphere... Coming back to the origins is a really good thing.

#ask

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vlovers19 · 4 years

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This Taekook and Jikook hating on Jimin and Taehyung whenever a vminkook moment happens is really starting to get on my nerves. It has became downright insulting. I was trying so hard to hold myself back but the things i saw on social media changed my mind. Mean comments are always thrown at Taehyung or at Jimin telling them to stay away from the other ship who are trying to enjoy their relationship in peace. Sometimes, we can't help being delusional but when we do, we should think about who we are hurting. I'm not innocent in this either and i have sometimes redirected my anger at Jungkook for coming in between Vmin especially during the early times but then i remember who he is to me. He's a member of BTS too and even though he isn't my bias, I still value and love him just like the rest. I wouldn't want to see him get hurt because of my own biased perspective.

Let's say for instance either of the two ships are real, will you totally ignore your other friends just because you're in a relationship? We all know how close Jimin, Taehyung and Jungkook are from the beginning. Should a relationship spoil such bond between them? All we are doing is spreading unnecessary hate and discord among people who really love and cherishes each other.

Have we ever sat down to think of what we are going to do when it turns out that this ship thing isn't real? What will you do when you discover that they are dating other people? Are you going to kill yourselves or bash them because your imagination didn't turn out the way you wanted? Please let's have an open mind and expect anything from BTS. They are humans with feeling and emotions. This ship wars has to stop. Stop posting insulting or degrading things about other ships on others pages simply because you don't ship them. Mind your own ship. Promote them if you have to but don't insult others in the process. I'm tired of the disrespect Jimin and Taehyung have to go through all the time. I wrote this in the most mildest form i could think of but really, I'm upset at what is happening. There are other ways we can promote our ships without hurting others. Let's love all seven of them equally please. Now, I have just discovered how happy i am to be a vmin shipper free of all these hassle. I'm really proud of us.

Thanks for reading this post. I have nothing else to say.

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polar-stars · 5 years

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C, D, G, i, J, M, N, O, P, Q, S, T, U, V, Z for the fandom meme thing please?

Ooh so much ! Thanks for the ask, I hope it won’t be too controversial....ha ha

C - A ship you have never liked and probably never will (be nice)

Shun /x/ Yuki, for completely biased reasons. Also it’s just not my kind off dynamic you know and I can only see that as platonic. Honestly, to me their relationship is even quite big brother and little sister-esque so pairing them up is just weird to me as well.

Also everything adult/minor. So things like Haya//Jun also are a “nah” from me. In this particular case, Jun is a mother-figure for Akira to me which makes the ship pretty uncomfortable for me honestly.

D - A pairing you wish you liked but just can’t (again: be nice)

Eh....canon So//rina so to speak? Like I don’t hate So//rina on its own, I still love the ship and their dynamic.

But I stand by my opinion that they were handled awfully in canon and that it was completely butchered.

G - Do you remember your first OTP, if so who was in it

Daisy x Luigi from the Mario series !

I - Has tumblr caused you to stop liking any fandoms, if so, which and why

Tumblr mainly is responsible for me not bothering to check out things in the first place. But I honestly don’t know anymore which ones that were.

J - Name a fandom you didn’t care/think about until you saw it all over tumblr

MCU kinda. Though I still have to catch up with a huge majority of the movies. Also I actually watched through Steven Universe’s Finale thanks to tumblr.

Tumblr also made me consider Boku no Hero Academia (which I have kind off abandoned though because honestly that’s just the usual for me sadly)

M - Say something genuinely nice about a ship that you don’t ship (or its shippers, or anything related to you)

Doromame’s Art for Asahi and Erina is really pretty even if the ship is a huge, huge no for me.

N - Name three things you wish you saw more or in your main fandom (or a fandom of choice)

1. .....A little bit more variety maybe? Like, don’t get me wrong, everyone is allowed to do and ship what they want.....but sometimes it just feels stale seeing the exact same line up of ships everywhere. What also just makes it a bit more troubling for me personally that things that step out of said line up have a much harder time to be accepted honestly. It’s like it’s unwritten law in this fandom to stick to the particular line up in this fandom sometimes it feels.......and sometimes that just frustrates me

2. A bit more appreciation for rarepairs and minor characters maybe, MAYBE

3. Stop bashing on your opposing ships. Stop making a war out of So//rina and Sou//Megu. You’re free to dislike either of them but be a bit more respectful ! (And don’t drag Taku//Megu into it)

O - Choose a song at random, which ship or character does it remind you of

“Upside Down” by Diana Ross

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

I dunno it kind off makes me think of Rindou? But I don’t know why.

P - Invent a random AU for any fandom (we always need more ideas)

Adding to my trillions of Royalty AU:

AU where Nene is a princess in an arranged marriage and on her way to said arranged marriage but gets kitnapped on the way by the soldiers of a barbaric, power-hungry king on his way to world domination. (Three times you can guess who that is) She absolutely hates it.

(I actually am kinda at writing a Royalty AU thingie for EtsuNe, but the ask was about coming up with something at random and yeah............honestly that one is also just a slight alternation to another Royalty AU I plan writing for them some far day in the future....I have too many Royalty AUs, hi)

Q - A ship you’ve abandoned and why

Kuga //x// Nene Maybe?! Like ahdhdhd I still ship them don’t get me wrong they are adorable but like? I was actually about to include them into my Next Gen Fanfic but just.....kinda heartlessly threw their kids out for two assholes and their screaming little brother? It’s a sort of abandonment I feel.

S - Show us an example of your personal headcanon (prompts optional but encouraged)

Yuki Yoshino is scared of thunder !

T - Do you have any hard and fast headcanons that you will die defending, about anything at all (gender identity, sexual or romantic orientation, extended family, sexual preferences like top/bottom/switch, relationship with poetry, seriously anything)

Takumi and Ikumi can dance-battle anyone to the world, you can’t change my mind.

U - 5 favorite characters from 5 different fandoms

(I’ll leave out SNS for that, since I listed my favorite characters there. Honestly SNS is also my only “true” fandom....with the ones I will list now I am pretty much a casual fan)

Star Wars: Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader and Princess Leia (Sorry they only come as double for me)

Mario: Princess Daisy

Love Nikki Dress Up Queen: Bobo

ATLA: Katara

MCU: Steve Rogers/Captain America

V - 3 OTPs from 3 different fandoms

(I’ll be leaving out SNS again, because I named my two OTPs for that)

Star Wars: HanLeia

Mario: Luaisy

ATLA: Zutara

Z - Just ramble about something fan-related, go go go (prompts optional but encouraged)

I really wish for Shokugeki to end open-ended in terms of pairings, honestly. It’s a very unpopular opinion, I know but I feel it’s just the most peaceful solution.

Also most “ships” have barely got much true, canon development so for many it would be a quick Snapshot-Getting-Together anyway and honestly? They deserve better than that.

#Gofer answering to stuffz #I hope no one feels attacked in any way ovo ;;;#If yes I am truly sorry !!

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ayekanaru · 6 years

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{Anonymously or not, tell me who you ship my muse with. || Because this all honestly couldn’t fit into one ask and I didn’t want to split it up into multiple ones}

I know you are aware that I ship our muses for a fanfic I’m trying to write, but I’ve kept mention of it to a minimum on my blog because (1) don’t wanna make it seem like I expect something and force you along with it cuz that’s force shipping and that’s no bueno and didn’t want that coming off as my intention for rping because it really wasn’t. A disappointing and toxic roleplay group plus a mighty need to share my Nappa portrayal with Tumblr was (2) Our muses hadn’t interacted much anyways so who knew if they’d get along well enough?

I’ve been enjoying the threads we’ve had together, they’re worth waiting for and I am pleasantly surprised by how the two muses get along as friends. Their social chemistry is better than I expected, and the banter is so entertaining to read and write for both when they get along and when they don’t see eye-to-eye.

I know your muse already has @asktenchi as an interested Tenchi and they do an awesome job being IC with him. There are also a great number of other muses that Ayeka gets along with too. However, if you and your muse ever feel a pull towards wanting more than friendship with Nappa, I’m gonna let you know that as of right now she’s one of the few muses I’ve had Nappa interact with that has a legitimate chance of sparking his interest for a romantic relationship. It’s alright if you don’t see it ever going down that road, because that can certainly happen too and both my muse and I would be fine with that. But I figured now was a good time to bring it up since this ask meme has had me thinking about this lately.

I know it may seem like a biased thing, but I’ve been lookin’ around at the other muses who try to flirt seriously with Nappa and…it’s difficult to find muses who have mutual chemistry with the big guy. The only one who did have mutual chemistry with him wasn’t interested in shipping at all so we kept it to flirtatious banter. She left Tumblr because she wanted to focus on her family, understandably. That was so many months ago and since then Nappa’s not felt anything like that from another muse.

Other interested female muses only remark on/compliment his physical appearance – mostly his muscles too lol – as what makes them interested. Honestly it makes me and my muse feel like Odette from the beginning of The Swan Princess. “Thank you…but what else?”

Again, I wanna reiterate that I love and value the friendship between our muses and if it only stays a friendship I’d be perfectly happy with that. And I hope I don’t make you feel uncomfortable bringing it up or make you think I will be counting on things to go down a romantic road. Just wanted to say while we do ship Ayeka with happiness and self-confidence first and foremost, we also wouldn’t turn her away from forming a ship with Nappa.

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Some things to clear up first: 1) Sydney @nappainanotherdimension and I have talked about this on Discord after this ask was sent [because uh, whoops thesis and grad school, I wasn't on tumblr???] so some of this may seem repetitive to her but new to you, dear followers; 2) Nyuck, nyuck, Odette. Who would be Derek then? 2) *Zsa-Zsa Gabor voice* Please. Ze followers. No drama.

Okay, now that this is already pretty long, my answer to this is under the cut. I'm not going to do point by point, bur rather a general full-fledged answer!

I've already told you this, but when I first found your personal blog, and went through your Tenchi tags, I really liked what you had reblogged and written in your personal text posts. It must have been one of the first pro-Ayeka --or at the very least, someone who appreciated Ayeka, because she might have not been your fave, I didn't know lmao-- blogs that had accumulated enough content related to Ayeka and/or Tenchi. I did notice that you, like me, were a fan of the...crossover ships ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

What I found "whadda heck" worthy was that you shipped Nappa with Ayeka! My first thought, to be honest, was "...the bald guy from the Team Four star memes?"

[ I knew of him from DBZ, but since most people my age apparently found out about him and liked him from the TFS videos, I thought maybe that's where your like of him came from? At the time, because now I know better :y ]

I'm the type of person who isn't a shipper hardcore, and for most ships that don't make sense to me initially, I go "okay, well, whatever floats her boat!" XD I did like the pieces of art there were, and I think I liked your Raditz/Mihoshi icon more because yay, somebody also appreciates Mihoshi! XD And they like the buddy cop angle of things? LMAO

But anyway, time passes, we get to chatting and then you say you want to make a blog. Cool! You want to make a blog for Nappa!

Aw, jiminy christmas.

Your worries that I'd think you were force shipping on me were the same as mine. I've seen it enough times on Tumblr that I honestly was surprised I found myself in a situation where that could've been a possibility. I enjoyed your fanfics, even the lemon ones lmao, just because they were funny but also it was me going okay, how does she believe this ship works again?

and lemme tell you, I am the absurdist around here in terms of crossover ships, both platonic and romantic. [We've talked about some others of our own too, nyuck nyuck.] I really wanted to understand because obviously, I supposed we were going to interact and I'd wanted to know how you saw them so I could back the heck away, ignore it, and try to do my thing with Ayeka properly. I didn’t really want to think of the ship when I wrote, I wanted to approach it as if Ayeka really did meet Nappa for the first time or had him enough time as a guest in your DBZ/TM verse.

Half of my worries went away when yay, you weren't going to force ship and wanted to actually interact! Whhhaaat, true build up of characters through rp on Tumblr dot com? The devil, you say!

And like you say, and I agree, the banter has been really fun? Surprisingly not really, Ayeka finally gets some respect in the manner that sometimes she doesn't get lmao. Her attempts at cooking, her own thoughts and views -- not saying everyone in the Masaki house's a jerk [they're not, and listen, Ayeka really does mean stuff too without thinking or on purpose] but you get different things with different people, and with Ayeka, it's probably getting some maturity and two-way respect in conversations befitting two super old people 8D

To be honest, sometimes I get a tinge of the cynic in me, and wonder if the writing turns out the way it does because maaaybe it's being geared towards something else? But then, like, I remember Nappa and Skuld --and Sasami!-- and how believable your headcanon about him and children is, how real it feels. Of course, the fact that you would write with anyone, and even with my Skuld who you know less about in comparison, just makes the cynic go shoo-shoo. You don’t seek out ships either -- like most people will notice if they peruse your blog, the ladies come to Nappa LMAO.

Plus, again, the threads are fun. I'm still laughing at the Xmas one where Nappa thinks Ryoko and Ayeka are the alpha females XD

In that sense, I can see why Ayeka throughout our rps would have a better chance with him. I mean I've seen your threads, it's pretty obvious who Nappa gets a conversation with, who Nappa gets a Conversation with, and who Nappa gets small talk-y with. Sometimes it's the writing, sometimes it's the character. That's the way rp works. Ayeka and Nappa have Conversations.™

I think I didn't really answer your ask as is, so I'll just say this, which applies to everyone: if the writing takes us that way, it takes us that way. I'm slowly beginning to see your crossover ship as it is, but still feel "hmm, but is it really?" It's like Ayeka and Fang: I didn't expect it, but the writing took those muses to some place along the lines of "are they...or are they???!" I would hope the end result takes us somewhere where we’re both satisfied with whatever relationship our muses have.

Or maybe you know, either polyamory polygyny or Nappa fights Tenchi, I guess. [I vote for the Pay Per View fight during the Space Travels arc of Universe.]

#everyone loves me more than they do ryoko (submissions)#nappainanotherdimension #up walk in the galaxy! (asks)#(because technically an ask )#ooc #submission

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myrskytuuli · 6 years

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Holy hell, okay, this is not a drill. Goldie O’Gilt is making an appearance in a comic, and it’s not a cameo.

So, my drug dealer got me hooked with some 2017 Topolino, and I need to scream about it, because Goldie!

That’s right, she is back, and looks absolutely stunning.

So, this is an Italian comic, and therefore it can be expected that the tragic romance™, that is more popular in the post-Rosa duck comic tradition, has been toned down a lot. Now full disclosure, I’m shipper trash and am fully committed to the tragic romance™. I wrote a 50 000+ words fanfic about it. I am also known sufferer of Brigitta MacBridge nonsense, so while this rant might be biased, I try to be biased in a gentle way. It’s not your fault Brigitta, that you have been written that way. Or that Scrooge and Goldie are soulmates. Ahem.

But to the comic itself. There are lots of things I love about it, and then there are some things that make me side-eye it in vaguely disapproving manner. I swear, not all of those reasons are shipping reasons. Okay yeah they pretty much are.

(Quick, follow me to the kitchen, you can throw a coffeepot on my face, and we can roleplay our night together in White Agony Creek anew!)

The premise of the story is pretty much, what if Goldie and Brigitta properly met? It’s…not a lot. There is no plot beyond: what if Goldie and Brigitta had a girls’ day out. Which I guess is fine, because that is all it is supposed to be. It is a slice of life character study. Usually I’m all about those, but…well Goldie doesn’t really shine when you don’t give her anything to do. In Rosa/Barks stories (which are the only stories where we see Goldie as a character) the focus has never been solely on anyone’s feelings. They have been very action-packed stories with any hinted romance taking a firm backseat.

What I’m trying to say is, that I’m disappointed that Goldie didn’t get to join in any of those silly Italian adventures. Not even little bit of shenanigans. Aww, and it could have been so fun too.

(You mean you didn’t come all this way just to ravish me against this discount-yard-sale table?)

Goldie is in Duckburg to collect a debt that Scrooge owes him. Solid beginning. Unfortunately, we never see her collecting this debt! The money issue is dropped from the story way too quickly for my tastes. Because while I 100% believe that Scrooge would avoid having to pay up any dubious debts, I do not believe that Goldie would give up that quickly.

And even more importantly, it would have been hilarious to see some actual petty shenanigans going on between these two. Note that it is mentioned that the original debt was 20$, which Goldie is trying to claim back with stupidly high compound interest. There is a story right there, nothing else needed. Just show me the ridiculous lengths these two are willing to go for 20$, while the rest of Duckburg watches in horror and bafflement. Also, hint that the real reason why these two keep the conflict going is that this way they can spend time together without actually talking about their feelings. Boom, story done. God, they should hire me to make scripts for these comics.

No?

Okay fine, let’s see what the actual story is all about.

Oh yes. Brigitta. This story was all about Brigitta.

For no good reason whatsoever, Brigitta loses all of her cools over the situation.

1.Don’t call him your Scrooge. You don’t own him.

2.Don’t call Goldie a dusty memory, that’s rude.

3.Goldie had the receipts, she has a genuine claim for that 20$, she’s not doing anything wrong for you to start insulting her!

Yes, yes, she is jealous and all that jazz, but honestly. It’s pretty hypocritical of her to “protect” Scrooge and his 20$ when Brigitta herself so frequently is an antagonist against Scrooge.

The following temper tantrum from Goldie delights me to no end, not because it is aimed towards Brigitta, but because it lines up so perfectly with all of my headcanons for Goldie. Sure, she might act cool and dignified these days, but deep down she is still the hair-trigger tempered diva, that would stay inside a burning building just for the aesthetic.

This has nothing to do with Scrooge, and everything to do with the fact that you called her old. This primadonna will now destroy you mentally, because that’s how she rolls. You will not disrespect the original material girl without consequences.

(I am the only person who has ever conquered Scrooge. Wow okay there Goldie, maybe tone it down a bit. I mean, yeah girl you are…but maybe don’t overshare too much.)

Was that kind of a bitchy move? Yes. She is kind of a bitchy person.

My next grumble about this story, is the weird way it deals with Scrooge. I cannot say anything specific…but there is just a really weird vibe to how he is written in here. The weird inner monologue on how he might be able to use the two women against each other to get rid of both of them…was…um.

While my first impression on Goldie’s, I am Scrooge’s number one love interest, speech seemed to be a bit beneath her, I then realised that she isn’t actually saying anything about her own regard for Scrooge. She is bragging about how Scrooge used to be bewitched by her, because that is the kind of thing that a dancehall girl would brag about. Pffft, yes it was Scrooge who was losing his mind over me back in Klondike, I was cool as a cucumber the whole time. Scrooge was nothing more than another notch on my bedpost. I have a heart made of ice, haven’t you heard.

Anyways, Scrooge decides to get rid of Brigitta by confirming everything Goldie just said. And I know that the story wants us to take Scrooge’s words with a grain of salt, because they are just a plan to get Brigitta to leave him alone….which does nothing to make me sympathise with Brigitta.

Putting my shipper heart on the side, pretending to be in love with someone else, to get rid of an admirer, does not create tension for ambiguous love triangle. It is what girls do in crowded bars when some drunk guy doesn’t leave them alone.

(Sorry Brigitta, but can you please leave. I was hoping to get conquered tonight, if you know what I mean.)

(They look like mom and dad getting yelled at by their daughter.)

Once again! What exactly are you mad about!? Which part of, I’m in love with someone else, gives you reason to get angry at them???? Remember that Brigitta at least is supposed to believe Scrooge to be fully sincere in his statement.

Back to Scrooge being a little shit. In a way, I want to be mad about this, but I’m not going to. Because lets not mystify Goldie too much, and pretty much all the rest of Scrooge’s family and loved ones have at least once been sent through that trap door.

No, let me grumble a little bit after all. I would heartily endorse this, if this was actually about the 20$. But it’s not. The whole thing is framed so that Goldie can have the great epiphany, this is how Brigitta must always feel!

Oh please.

Also, I think that we are supposed to be angry at Scrooge for being so callous towards both of the ladies, so that we can root for them becoming friends later. Which, yeah fine, but do we really have to. One of the things I most despise in Brigitta centred stories is that they by default make Scrooge into a dick. They have to. The whole story has to be built on the idea that Scrooge is just afraid of girl cooties, and therefore has to be pushed a little, so that he will eventually play nice, even with a girl. It is the only way to make Brigitta’s advances feel somehow justified. And in this case the characterisation bleeds to include Goldie under the umbrella of women that I don’t want anywhere near me, because women cost money or whatever.

So, it mostly feels like Goldie has to be booted out of the office, so she doesn’t trick Scrooge into marriage or some other sneaky thing that women are always doing. Sighs eternally.

(Oh my god, she is a serial killer. No one else has this many pictures of one person on their walls.)

But this story isn’t even about Scrooge. It is about female friendship. Which is a beautiful thing, and really this story does manage to do lot of things right.

(Hey, can I crash on your couch? Turns out that Scrooge didn’t like it how I called him my conquest in front of you and the staff. He’s always been a bit of a prude like that.)

I’m not really fan of the whole, we have lots in common thing, because they…don’t. And the whole, I now understand your perspective, because now I have been rejected too… doesn’t really work, because Goldie wasn’t proposing anything in the first place. Remember how she was here for that 20$! I do! Can we get back to that! Goldie wasn’t asking Scrooge out, wasn’t asking him to marry her, she was asking for money, and getting the cold shoulder for that should not come as some kind of an epiphany!

Nevermind. That’s cute as heck, I don’t even care how we got there.

Goldie would make a good mentor for Brigitta. As would Scrooge. The world would be a better place if Brigitta was treated like an over-enthusiastic businesswoman who wants to learn all of Scrooge’s tricks, and Scrooge was treated like grumpy, slightly unwilling teacher.

(So, what was Scrooge like when he was young? Oh, you know, very conquerable.)

Why is her hair silver, what is this travesty, colouring person you had one job!

Goldie tells Brigitta the story of sleeping pills, thievery, forced labour, kidnappings, and other general criminal activities that make up their tragic romance™.

(Oh, so when you slip him a pill on a first date, it makes you morally complex, but if I did that it would be just creepy and weird!)

(Context Brigitta, it’s all about the context!)

If I was Brigitta, I would feel a bit wary drinking anything with her, after the story she just told.

And then I almost got my hopes up, that something amazing was going to happen! Brigitta started to self-reflect upon herself, and doubting the way her life is now constructed. She admitted that she doesn’t have a positive relationship with Scrooge, and that maybe she is wasting her life. For a moment there, I thought that Brigitta was going to develop as a character.

There was a moment. A glorious moment, when I really thought that this was where the official policy concerning Brigitta was going to be changed, and she would stop trying to marry Scrooge. I did get my hopes up.

Aaaaaand, then this happened.

I guess it was inevitable, that Brigitta would get a cheerleading speech from Goldie, to bring back the status quo, but damn does it still feel weird. While I completely, 100% support Goldie’s you are a good and smart woman, if Scrooge doesn’t want that it’s his loss, that is where it should have ended.

Because the part about: because your feelings are painful it means that your love is real, and you shouldn’t give up on them, is complete nonsense. If a relationship is hurting you, it is not worth pursuing!!! Goldie implying that Brigitta’s hurt feelings are the reason she shouldn’t give up on Scrooge, I asdfghjkl, what the fuck!!!!

Secondly, that’s all well and dandy that Goldie now thinks that Brigitta’s love is real, but how exactly does that change anything?! You don’t think that maybe it should be Scrooge who gets to decide who is allowed to make romantic advances towards him!

Scrooge is not an object whose ownership you get to negotiate amongst yourselves!!

more, or less direct translation: you have continued to beat on to conquer who you love.

That is not a good thing!!

Yeah whatever. Goldie is his past, maybe Brigitta can be his future. Great. And I guess these two making a friendship with each other and admitting that both have the equal right to present themselves as options of romance for Scrooge is kind of mature and respectful towards everyone, if Brigitta wasn’t…you know Brigitta. She has not been known to respect Scrooge’s boundaries.

Goldie makes some great faces in here, and I will fully enjoy them. Even if I at the same time roll my eyes at the mandatory, lets punish Scrooge part of any Brigitta comic. You do know that while maybe him booting you, Goldie, out of the office could be seen as mean, he did absolutely nothing disrespectful towards Brigitta. Scrooge owes her zero apologies, because he never even said a mean word towards her! Brigitta had her whole sulk, because she thought that you two were hooking up. That’s not a crime.

In this continuity, I can understand that Scrooge would prefer to be married to his money. Because these women are written kind of unreasonable.

The inevitable self-reflection. Scrooge admits that both women are important parts of his life, and that he does care for both of their well-being. Cute, believable, satisfying. Well done everyone. I still firmly believe that Scrooge sees Brigitta more as a younger sibling than potential lover. But that’s just a headcanon, so feel free to come to your own conclusions.

(That is a duck who feels uncomfortable.)

The ladies return to the money bin just in time to eavesdrop on Scrooge’s monologue, and find out that he cared for them both after all. And honestly, I think these pictures tell everything that needs to be said about how much Scrooge cares about Brigitta’s advances.

God, she looks cute, I forgive this story for everything, Goldie is too adorable.

Well, I guess that this was the first time that Goldie has made a proper appearance in the Italian duck universe, and all in all, not bad. Maybe I will get an entirely new look on the story, if it gets properly translated, and I don’t have to play the I’m pretty sure I know what this means, game.

Congrats if you made it all the way here, these ramblings were long.

Ankkaneito returns back to the hole, where she came from.

#disney duck comics #scrooge mcduck #goldie o'gilt #brigitta macbridge

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sometimesrosy · 6 years

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I think you completely misinterpreted my ask lol. I had said that I don’t blame Eliza that I’m sure the fans have been assholes and I never said they se owed us anything. But Bellamy and Clarke’s relationship is always a huge part of the show and they NEVER talk about it. I don’t care if they don’t talk about it in a romantic way, I just want them to acknowledge us in some way. I want to be able to hear what the actors actually have to think. I don’t want her to “give me my romantic fantasies”

I don’t care about any of that. I care about the actors and the characters and how and why they played certain scenes the way they did. Idk if I phrased it weird or something but you completely missed the point of my ask. I also did[n’t] know about the whole airport and booing situation, so thanks for letting me know. But I also said it probably was fear from the other side of the fandom.

No, nonny. That is not what you said.

you said

but I can’t imagine being a fan and seeing yourself represented in a ship only for the actor playing a part of that ship to say “Bellarke shit.” I mean?? How disrespectful is that? I don’t care how you sway it that’s just plain rude.

And

then in season 3 they acted horrible towards BC shippers. Dismissing a large part of the fandom was honestly such a low blow and I remember feeling terrible about it.

and

I still can’t believe an actress would say that. It’s not a racist/homophobic or ridiculously problematic ship and I just, I don’t know. I think it was a pretty careless thing to say

Maybe you didn’t mean to say those things. You didn’t talk about wanting to ask Eliza questions about the show and characters at all, or even be acknowledged. That wasn’t the subject of your ask. It was about Bellarke fans being treated nicely. Bob was nice so he was good. Eliza was not so she was bad, but you were feeling better because she was nicer now, but you still don’t forgive her for what she said in the middle of the shipwars, because it was disrespect. You called her disrespectful and rude and horrible. You did not say, “i just want to talk about bellarke’s place in the show, not even romantically.”

Maybe you didn’t realize that the way you talk about Eliza is actually all about your feelings about not being validated by her, without ever considering that she’s not a fictional character, but a real person who is experiencing REAL pressure to give ALL the fans what they want even though what they want is COMPLETELY opposing. Whatever she said would be attacked. Any positive comment about her character’s story would be seen as negative by thousands of people. Who don’t hesitate to boo her or call her fat or send her hate.

She has a tactic to only talk about ships that have already happened on screen at the time that she is speaking. That means she was going to talk about a relationship with Lxa when that was still the primary romantic relationship on the board. Particularly with the harm that the dead lesbian trope inflicted upon the CL fandom. Which, far from being indefensible, is actually reasonable. They were told that BC was not happening yet and to not talk about. The fandom never stopped asking about it. Sometimes she loses her composure. I can personally say, that after 3 years of fandom harassment on tumblr, this is also reasonable and understandable. She’s a real person and she’s not perfect. Sometimes she’s going to be rude because fans are AWFUL to her. And you need to recognize that and even own up to where you are contributing.

I understand if you didn’t know about Australia or Brazil, but it wouldn’t take much awareness to recognize how awful the shipwars were, and how she was stuck in the middle and how both fandoms are ALWAYS ready to turn on her for saying the wrong thing.

I mean. Look how you feel right now when I “misunderstood” what you meant. It is upsetting. I didn’t misunderstand you. You weren’t considering the situation from her point of view because you consider your own point of view to be the most valid.

It’s perfectly understandable that you WOULD consider your POV about Eliza’s unfairness to your ship, because the Bellarke FANDOM reinforces that Bellarke is the most important thing. We tell each other how important Bellarke is to the story, how right we are, how unjust the CLs are, how biased Eliza is. Again and again, we tell this story to ourselves in the echo chamber of the fandom. Please understand. I do this, too. I love Bellarke, but at the same time, I am aware that it is NOT the only way to interpret the show and other interpretations are just as valid. You have to keep checking your POV up against the canon and reality in order to get a full picture and not be overly biased and self centered. Fandom is, almost by definition, overly biased.

We are no better than the MRAs who created a fanvid of TLJ with all the women removed. Fandom in Star Wars is no different than fandom in The 100. We do that, to emphasize our ship or our POV. How many pure Bellarke fanvids have there been? How many CLs have erased Bellamy’s presence or turned him into a pure villain and made the grounders the heroes? This is what we do as fans. We claim ownership over the show, the story, the ships and even the actors. And then we refuse to share canon with any other fans who have different ideas. And I just don’t agree with it.

Let people have their ships, or not ship at all. Let the writers tell the story they are telling even if it doesn’t match the one in your head. Let the actors experience their lives and career in ways that make sense to them.They all have reasons for the choices they make and the actions they take and they may not be what we would choose. But that’s because they are outside of us. They are telling THEIR story and living their lives. And the actors have to make choices based on THEIR lives, too. Protecting themselves and their career… a thing that none of you have to worry about– although there are people out there who would dearly love to ruin me personally, and there are people in our fandom who were actually professionally ruined over shipwars. So when people get on Eliza for her behavior with these exact kind of people who have exactly been targeting me personally. Nope. I’m not siding with you over Eliza on this.

Fandom is out of control. And I don’t see that stopping until we start recognizing that we don’t own the stories, shows, characters, ships OR actors. Fandom doesn’t come first. It’s not okay to spread nasty comments about a woman just because she doesn’t support your ship, for whatever reasons. Sorry.

I can’t make it okay. And you DID do that. You were NOT understanding of her position. Fandom does not consider Eliza at all, sometimes, except for how she can feed their ship and that is entirely problematic. If you didn’t consider the meaning of what you did and didn’t intend to say all that, it means you weren’t being thoughtful, not that you didn’t say it. huh. Just like Eliza.

No more of this calling people racist or lesbophobic or rude or fat or sending out anons to hate people, to them or about them– all over a fictional ship. We decide when something is problematic and isn’t, and for some reason we never decide that our OWN opinions are problematic even when we are being hypocritical and doing to others what we say is bad when done to us. You’ve GOT to check yourself, and stop pointing at how problematic everyone else is. Consider your OWN actions as more important than someone else’s, because that’s who you have control over. Yourself.

I just can’t anymore. I’m really angry at fandom in general. We don’t have to be like this. We don’t have to hate everyone for not agreeing with us. We don’t have to selfishly hoard the canon and refuse to allow anyone else their own interpretations. If someone EVER says that you have no right to your interpretation, they are ABSOLUTELY wrong. If they don’t like it or disagree or your OTP is their NOTP, that’s not wrong, but disparaging someone or hating them or silencing them, that IS wrong.

Respect people. Even when they are different or have different opinions than you. Eliza had/has her own opinion. And that it doesn’t support yours is NOT problematic. She doesn’t owe you Bellarke support. It’s unfortunate that she can’t speak openly, but that is NOT her fault. She was rude. Yes. But the fandom has been so rude to her, and she’s supposed to accept it because they are her fans. And she has, for the most part.

But I’m not going to say she was wrong for being rude, because I understand her position, even though it hurt me personally. She didn’t consider our feelings. She considered hers. Do you ever consider her feelings when you judge her?

#the 100 fandom #fandom wank #ship and let ship #be respectful #multiple perspectives

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dontbeallupinmyfriesdawg · 7 years

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Can you direct me to a good way to get up to speed with The Originals while being able to skip the gross parts featuring Hailey? And... pretty much everyone else that isn't Klaroline?

Okay so @klarolinemag does these recaps for TO that you can find here. They’re obviously quite biased because they’re written by well… Klaroline shippers so, if you ship KC you’ll probably enjoy them. They also comply twitter reactions from each episode but I’m not sure if those were just for TVD.

The wikia pages for each season give you a good concise breakdown of each of the season in chapters which describe the events that took place.

Season 1

Season 2

Season 3

Season 4

I’ve compiled a list of all Klaroline/Caroline/The Originals related scenes that occurred since The Originals was announced. Below that, you can find a summary of the back story to the Originals.

Here are all the Klaroline bits that have occurred since The Originals began.

In 3x20 Klaus and Caroline dance (partly so Klaus can antagonize Tyler), he mentions he’s leaving town but says he’d offer to let her come with him but say that he knows she isn’t ready to accept his offer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiG1lke40AY&ab_channel=BestVampireShow

Not sure you’re going to want to watch this one but in 4 x16 before Klaus and Hayley have sex Hayley requests that Klaus free Tyler in return for giving up more of Katherine’s secrets. When he refuses she says that she’ll never get her chance with Tyler just like Klaus will never get his chance with Caroline, then they sleep together which leads to the plot of The Originals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJn1iW_gmYc&ab_channel=ElenaDamian

Klaus calls Caroline in 4x20 (The Originals backdoor pilot) and tells her how much he loves New Orleans and how much he wishes she were there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE9lIyLvB24

In 4x21 Silas appears to Caroline as Klaus and tells her he’s leaving for New Orleans and when she asks why he didn’t just leave he tells her that he can’t stop thinking about her and Caroline looks conflicted until Silas reveals his true identity accidentally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D8HxEMIUrw

In 4x22 When Klaus turns up at Carolines graduation to save her at her request, they are chatting afterward and he mentions that he was going to suggest that she go with him to New Orleans but instead he tells her Tyler is free because he understands she’s not ready to accept his offer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qooZQ4-mHtk&ab_channel=AddySaganty

In 5x05 Caroline and Tyler discuss how Tyler’s only back because Klaus allowed him to be back (Caroline asks “So this is about Klaus”) and Caroline gets mad because he chooses revenge over here so they break up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npo9-kAiMfg&ab_channel=ForwoodTV / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4XqElqM2D8&ab_channel=ForwoodTV

In 1x07 The Originals crossover episode, Tyler comes back to take revenge on Klaus and Hayley after what happened to his mother - and his life in general. When Klaus and Elijah are discussing what could have happened to make Tyler so mad Klaus says Tyler is angry because he went after his girl (Caroline): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASNAdjGFdKg&ab_channel=jmsg411

In the same episode, Tyler and Klaus get into a physical altercation and Klaus taunts Tyler saying Caroline would be ashamed if she could see him now to which Tyler responds that Caroline will never love him (Klaus): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX3lT__n_Bc

In 5x11 the crossover episode of TVD Klaus turns up to gloat over Katherine’s death, instead, he forgoes doing that to win Caroline’s favor. They also discuss her breakup with Tyler. He asks her to be honest about her feelings toward him and she does in exchange for him leaving MF (to go to NOLA) and never return. They have sex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkjcWomc1Uw

After this ^ episode of TVD in episode 1x12 of TO Marcel comments on the good mood Klaus in and says he should visit New Orleans more often and Klaus smirks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqz8NhGmJgo&ab_channel=IvetaBene%C5%A1ov%C3%A1

In 5x12 Caroline vigorously stress cleans after having sex with Klaus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWkWX4_fDRU&ab_channel=IvetaBene%C5%A1ov%C3%A1

Caroline confides in Katherine who she thinks is Elena about how she slept with Klaus and she (Katherine) sets up the situation so Tyler overhears: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elviid0xuYY&ab_channel=BonnieBennett

Caroline later talks with Stefan about sleeping with Klaus and he assures he she’s not a horrible person and they discuss Klaus and Katherine respectively: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4heDog5SX4

In 5x15 of TVD the MF gang figure out Elena is actually Katherine and Tyler voices out loud that that’s how he over heard the conversation about her (Caroline) having sex with Klaus because Katherine set it up that way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN3c-HOeQvE&ab_channel=ForwoodTV

Caroline talks to Tyler about how she saw the good in Klaus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEaO3pfeu3Q&ab_channel=ForwoodTV

She also refuses to keep apologizing about having had sex with Klaus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjWtQGDDY58&ab_channel=LydTrevisan

In 5x16 Damon tell Elena Caroline and Klaus slept together

When Enzo meets Caroline in 5x17 he tells her that Damon mentioned that she has a thing for men with accents (hinting towards Klaus): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqV1mQb4bqM&t=1s&ab_channel=DDR1610

Enzo also says: “From what Damon tells me I am your type… well traveled, charming accent, dogdy morals-” and then Caroline adds on and says “Totally tactless, completely unable to take a hint,” again hinting at Klaus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWParoDpRkw&ab_channel=Bombonrosa

In 2x07 of the Originals, Klaus’ biological father is resurrected and they talk. Ansel talks about how he watched Klaus from the other side and mentions Caroline but this line was cut from the scene. Ansel was supposed to say: “I saw you happy from the other side, painting, traveling, dancing with the blonde in Mystic Falls.“

In 7x13 Matt tells Caroline to flee MF with the twins and while in the car one of the twins asks Caroline where they’re going and she says “To New Orleans to visit mommy’s friend”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG0fl_FGcmU&ab_channel=TheVampireDiariesHD

In 7x14 of TVD and 3x14 of TO which are both crossover episodes, Stefan comes to NOLA to hide and Klaus asks about Caroline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4ewpzhCmoY

He also told him to stop being oblivious to the fact that Caroline actually wanted to keep her twins. (he also sarcastically says giving up something she loves does sound like the Caroline he - Klaus - remembers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_hqEIbJGmU&ab_channel=ChasingScenes

When he sees the Huntress’ mark on Stefan he’s ready to kick him out of NOLA because technically Stefan is danger to his whole family but he gets a phone call from Caroline and literally commits to protecting him just to keep her happy. he also confronts her fears about her love for the twins and brings up her speech to him from TVD 5x11: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPDbLyykwRM&ab_channel=Klaroline

In the same episode Hayley and Stefan have a scene together and when Stefan show Hayley a picture of Caroline on his phone Hayley comments on how Klaus used to have a thing for her (Caroline): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzKxC8Bazos

Klaus also tells Stefan if he loves Caroline he should let her go in the same conversation Stefan asks Klaus if he still loves Caroline and Klaus does not give a definitive answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vSFCyNVCKk&ab_channel=Klaroline

Klaus tells Stefan to do right by Caroline. Stefan says he knows that Klaus once loved Caroline and promises to do right by her and Klaus says thank you in a really emotional voice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbsiqbKvQ-Y&ab_channel=thevampirediaries

In that same episode, there a flash forward of Caroline taking the twins now 5 years old) to New Orleans to keep them safe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XiAvppjyMA&ab_channel=Klaroline

I should also note that in 3x14 of TO when Elijah and Finn go to Mystic Falls Klaus doesn’t come thus keeping his promise to Caroline it’s not specifically mentioned but still poignant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjsrhRyu4ns&ab_channel=TheOriginalsOZ

In 7x21 Caroline tells Stefan she was desperate for help so had to go and find Klaus (because Stefan was too busy on holiday for 3 years) and that Klaus was nowhere to be found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxeeJs0py90

In 8x16 the TVD series finale Alaric’s voice over and Caroline’s flash forward reveals Klaus has sent Caroline a letter and a donation toward her school. Alaric also says that’s the beginning of another story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaIttj5ckIU&ab_channel=TheOriginalsOZ

In 4x08 of The Originals, there is crossover and Alaric comes to NOLA. He says he assumes Klaus has heard about Caroline’s school and Klaus smirks. When Alaric is leaving Klaus says to give his regards to Mystic falls (which can only really mean Caroline because apart from Stefan - who was dead at that point, Caroline, is Klaus’ only friend/ally in MF + Caroline once held the title of Miss Mystic Falls which Klaus is very much aware of): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIY47a5GCRQ&ab_channel=TheOriginalsOZ

KC Family Please let me know if I’ve missed anything!

Here are the Spoilers we know about Klaroline in S5

http://kolvinas.tumblr.com/post/163533114638/is-there-anything-on-klaus-well-at-least-we-know

http://maritaleane.tumblr.com/post/163569944843/are-these-legit-i-sure-as-hell-hope-so

Here’s The Originals SDCC trailer for S5 (it has kind of a flash back so does the s4 trailer tbh)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiH0kapmkXk&ab_channel=TheCWTelevisionNetwork

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaGwmOIMJrs&ab_channel=TheOriginalsOZ

Back Story

Basically, TO began because as you know Klaus originally used Katherine for the doppelganger sacrifice in the 1400 but she escaped and became a vampire ruining his plans. As revenge, he hunted her for years. In order to buy her freedom, she offered him information.

The information was about Hayley, a werewolf that came to MF to track down the family she was separated from her whole life.

Tyler met her in the Apaltions when he was trying to break Klaus’ sire bond and she helped. She then came to Mystic Falls and made a deal with Shane that she’d get him 12 unsired hybrids for sacrifice to complete the spell to wake Silas.

So she betrayed Tyler and got the hybrids killed.

This happened because Tyler and Caroline were going to ruin her plans so she told Klaus about the hybrids unsiring themselves and he killed them.

Hayley had briefly met Katherine in New Orleans and exchanged information with her in exchange for info about her parents. When Katherine sends someone to kill Hayley, Klaus rescues her and they have sex. Hence mystery magical miracle baby is conceived.

The witches of New Orleans get wind of this information about Hayey and use it as leverage as they want to get rid of Marcel (a vampire Klaus saved from slavery as a child and the sired as an adult) who was ruling New Orleans and restricting the witches freedom.

So they lured Hayley to New Orleans and link her to another witch Sophie Devereux (who’s sister was publically murdered by Marcel). Once Klaus is convinced that’s his child he then becomes enraged and jealous because Marcel has control of a city he once had control of and TO begins.

#klaroline #the originals #to #spoilers #loving klaroline #klaroline shippers club #klaus x caroline #klaus and caroline #kc #thejeanetterun

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marmoraskeith · 7 years

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Why Voltron Legendary Defender Doesn’t Have One Main Character and That’s Perfectly Okay: A Novel

Here it is. An extended version of this post I made a couple days ago, because it has apparently come to this point.

The issue? Fans continuing to circulate and claim that Voltron: Legendary Defender is based around one or two main characters when that couldn’t be farther from the truth.

I’m going to preface this by saying I love this show and every single character in it. This post is coming from a place of complete neutrality. I’m saying this from the standpoint of a writer who can understand where the writers of the show are coming from. This is not a post bashing on any one character, or saying that someone doesn’t deserve to be a protagonist or isn’t worthy of the position.

Warning: it gets long. There is a TL;DR at the end if you’re into that. All of this being said, here we go.

Why are you so pressed about this? Just let people say whatever they want, they aren’t hurting you.

Usually, I would be all for this, but in this case, I’ve seen so many posts and so many people talking about how certain characters were introduced as the main protagonist(s) and it is so mind-blowingly not what happened that I can’t keep my mouth shut. Sorry!

No I’m not. This show is centered around the five paladins of Voltron, the two friends they made while discovering they are a part of something much larger than themselves (Allura and Coran), and them finding their place as defenders of the universe. There it is. The entire show summarized in one sentence. Defenders: plural. Stop reducing the show to being about your favorite character(s) just because you want them to officially be the center of attention.

I’m allowed to have a favorite character!

I never said you couldn’t have one! Not the point :)

(Insert character here) deserves to be the main character! (Insert character here) is amazing because of X, Y, and Z and doesn’t get enough recognition!

This is a little something called bias. Bias: (noun) Prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair. We’re all biased, whether we are aware of it or not. You have a fav. I have a fav. We all have a fav. I’m not at all saying that your favorite character is not amazing/incredible/worthy of all the praise in the world, but just because you think they are the greatest does not automatically mean the show should be, or is, based around them.

I love every single character in Voltron. I also love that the show does not have a main character because it gives so much more opportunity for us to find out more about the five paladins, Allura, and Coran, without it being centrally based on one person, which can get pretty old pretty fast. All the main characters, AKA the paladins, have enough depth to each of them that means the show is going to be so much more deep than some of the blander options in the world. How is this a bad thing?? It isn’t. It literally isn’t a bad thing.

I’m not biased, there’s proof that (insert character here) is the main character of the show.

Yes, you are. No, there isn’t.

Voltron IMDB: Five Earth teens - Keith, Lance, Hunk, Pidge and Shiro - who become the last line of defense for the galaxy in an intergalactic battle against the evil alien force led by King Zarkon.

Official description for the first issue of the VLD comic: From days of long ago, from uncharted regions of the universe comes VOLTRON: LEGENDARY DEFENDER! When Team Voltron takes on a dangerous training mission in deep space, Coran, Princess Allura’s majordomo, is captured by an ancient enemy. It will take teamwork, smarts, and, of course, Voltron, to save their friend’s life.

Netflix: Overwhelmed but ready for action, five aspiring young space explorers learn they have the power to create Voltron, the most powerful robot in the universe.

I could go on.

The show is about the five paladins and their mission to—surprise!—defend the universe against evil and use teamwork to do it. The show is not called Lance and Friends, or Keith and Those Other Guys, or Klance VS The Universe. It’s called Voltron: Legendary Defender. Voltron would not be able to become Voltron if not for all five of the paladins and the way they work together to fight evil. It truly could not be put more simply than that.

Okay except that Lance was introduced as the main character because Blue was the first Lion they found and Keith was introduced as his mysterious love interest.

No.

If you can’t see how ship-biased this statement and any posts surrounding it is, I don’t know what to do for you.

I’m a Klance shipper. I love the shit out of Klance. But I also know that that statement is so incorrect that it gave me a headache reading it in a post and it’s giving me another one now because I’m remembering that apparently over 1,000+ people actually think this is true.

No and no.

First off, Blue being the first Lion of Voltron they found (that Keith found first, actually, and that Pidge picked up information about via her alien chatter-device, and Hunk helped pinpoint with his Fraunhofer line, and all of them discovered together) did not automatically appoint Lance as The Main Protagonist. Blue was the only Voltron Lion on Earth. Blue picked Lance as her paladin. These are facts. Blue is a part of Voltron, is only one-fifth of Voltron, and as such, her and her paladin are definitely main characters, but are not the one and only protagonist, because there isn’t one protagonist, there are FIVE, do I really need to go over this again?? Something had to lead them to the rest of the Lions/the beginning of their journey, and them—AS A GROUP—finding Blue was step one. Lance isn’t the main protagonist.

Secondly, Keith wasn’t introduced as Lance’s mysterious love interest. Keith was introduced as Lance’s self-proclaimed rival.

Contrarily, Keith doesn’t remember Lance at all.

Keith then remembers Lance as a cargo pilot, Lance is all “Fighter class now, thanks to you dropping out,” yadda yadda. We know. And we also know, and can see, that this isn’t a ~mysterious love interest~ character introduction for Keith. Rivals ≠ lovers. No matter how much you may love that trope, this is in no way a romantic introduction or interaction between Keith and Lance. Please stop spreading this. I truly have a migraine.

There aren’t any tv shows that don’t have one main character.

Wrong-o! There are plenty of shows out there have an Ensemble Cast – Game of Thrones, Friends, The Office, Shameless, Sense8, How To Get Away With Murder, Pretty Little Liars… The list is extensive. The plot rotates between characters, highlighting their strengths, weaknesses, past, future, and potential. Given time, the writers are able to explore multiple storylines through seasons and episodes, which (usually) makes for a riveting, information-rich show that does not solely rely on the plot to move itself along.

Well you’re lying because Keith got an entire season dedicated to him, so obviously the writers are making the show about him.

Were you in the fandom before Season 2 came out in January? Did you see the amount of fan content and meta and speculation and posts surrounding the idea of Keith being Galra? The entire. fandom. wanted this storyline for Keith. We picked up on the clues, asked the Voltron creators at a con about Galra Keith, Jeremy Shada said before s2 that he’d love to see a Galra Keith arc and was quickly told to zip it, everyone and their mother wanted to see Galra Keith.

What were we given? Galra Keith, and then some. Did it take up the entire season? No.

We finally got to see a side of Keith that was never shown to us in S1 because he had very little personal development there. We saw his fears, his doubts, the questions he has about himself and his past, and he was able to explore parts of that in a few episodes of S2 while also being groomed by Shiro to take his place as Black Paladin in case anything ever happened to him. We went from knowing barely anything about him in S1 (that he was kicked out of the Garrison and that he’s an amazing pilot and knew Shiro before Shiro left for the Kerberos mission) to knowing more about him as a character.

That, my friends, is character development, and is perfectly normal. Just because Keith had focus on his past this season (just like Pidge did in S1?? Where’s the riot about her being focused on then???? Yeah. That’s what I thought) does not mean that the entire show is now going to move forward focusing solely on him. Chill out and be patient and stop assuming the worst.

Having five characters is a bad idea because someone is going to get left out. (Insert character here) is being ignored/pushed aside/hasn’t gotten a storyline yet.

This is a matter of opinion. Yes, there is a risk in having plots centered around multiple characters because not every character is going to have a main focus on them every single episode/season. I know there was a huge uproar after S2 finished because many people were unhappy with the treatment of Lance and Hunk and how they seemed to be pushed to the back burner. I think Tyler Labine, Hunk’s VA, put it well:

GIVE. IT. TIME.

The show is new. The first episode came out just over a year ago this month, and we already have two seasons with a third coming out in 40-something days. There is time. We need to be patient—just because a character has not yet had their personal storyline explored does not mean it isn’t going to happen.

Season One was centered around Pidge, Hunk, Lance, Shiro, and Keith understanding their place in the universe as the Voltron paladins, and about Pidge finding out more about her family.

Season Two was centered around Shiro and Zarkon’s back-and-forth struggle for power for the Black Lion, about the paladins finding out new powers that their Lions have (Blue’s ice power and water-agility; Yellow’s huge claws and superior strength and armor; Green’s new weapon that makes roots grow out of the Olkari cubes; Black’s wings), and Keith finding out more about his past, his heritage, and what the knife he’s had all his life actually means.

There’s so much information to take in from both seasons, but please do not let this cloud the fact that there is still so much more to come – considering that Voltron has been approved 8 seasons total, it is BEYOND likely that each character is going to have their time to shine.

All we have to do is be patient and trust the writers will do their job, which is telling the story of Voltron, its paladins, and the stories of the legacy they are leaving behind. They are not intentionally leaving other characters in the dust to focus on their favorites. These things take time, and as Tyler said, there are things in the works behind the scenes that we don’t know about, and that we won’t know about until the subsequent seasons are released.

TL;DR: There is not one or two designated main protagonists in VLD. The show has five characters and their story lines, character developments, and personal arcs are going to be rotating throughout the episodes and seasons that are going to be coming out. Writing, producing, animating, and voicing a show takes time, and it is unrealistic to believe that we can have all five characters have their important time in the limelight simultaneously. Please let the writers do their job. Give them the benefit of the doubt, let the seasons play out, and stop assuming the worst of them as if they are intentionally sidelining certain characters when they aren’t. Give it time.

#sorry i just....yeah i needed to say it. so here it is #voltron legendary defender #vld #voltron #discourse #long post #shut up madison

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This is the first and the last time I will talk about this, so please hear me out.

A couple of days ago, a clerith shipper went Anonymous and submitted this ask to a blog that primarily caters to the c/loti ship (though the owner has said it is open to multi-shipping).

Here is what the CA anon said:

Hello! I'm a Clerith fan and I just have a short story to tell. ( I'm afraid of opening this up on the CA forum/twitter/tumblr because I might get bashed D: ) I've been a CA fan ever since I first played FF7, and I've actually been seeing a lot of Tifa hate in the CA fandom. I for one liked Tifa, and Zack for that matter (because a lot of CA fans hate him also), but it feels like if I want to get along with my fellow CA shippers, I have to hate those two. I feel alone in the fandom :(

astoryofalove has already made her statement about this, and I would like to add mine.

It is deeply saddening that a clerith would feel unsafe in turning to fellow cleriths about an issue like this. So I would like to address the statements this CA anon has said in defense of the whole clerith community.

1) I'm afraid of opening this up on the CA forum/twitter/tumblr because I might get bashed D:

As far as I know, we, the ones who are currently active, do not go after our fellow clerith shippers for an opinion that may differ from ours. We make it a point to be open to everything, no matter our personal preferences. I do not know which community this anon has been involved in to give him/her an idea like this. But I, for one, do not stand for this kind of treatment. I know I’ve already made a statement regarding my dislike of Tifa and Zack (for reasons I may or may not have already stated but will not put in here), but that doesn’t mean I will be mean toward someone who does just because. And a lot of other CA shippers share the same sentiment.

While we are at this subject, for the clerith shippers who are currently reading this, I implore you:

Talk to us. Open up. Share your opinions, even if it’s different. Don’t be afraid to speak out against something you consider to be hurtful for you that the fandom is involved in.

astoryofalove and I, among others, will surely be there to listen to you and support you. And if either of us goes too far with what we say, please don’t be afraid to tell us about it. Inform us of any clerith who misbehaves in any way (harassing or insulting others, being mean or hateful, etc), and we will deal with it as needed. Point us in the right direction, and we’ll be sure to do something about it.

We are not claiming leadership of the fandom. Nothing of the sort. It is only that we would like to be able to actually do something to help stop the negativity from the clerith side as we are active on the clerith fandom.

We do not want the clerith community to be viewed in a negative light. That is not what we stand for. As a fandom that represents Cloud and Aerith’s love, we do not condone any unwarranted negativity toward anyone, whatever the fandom they are in.

2) I for one liked Tifa, and Zack for that matter (because a lot of CA fans hate him also), but it feels like if I want to get along with my fellow CA shippers, I have to hate those two. I feel alone in the fandom :(

I said it in the reply I gave to his/her ask on my main blog, and I’ll say it again.

I can most definitely assure you that you are not alone in this regard. Which community gave you this notion?

I admit I don’t like Zack and Tifa, and I’m vocal about that over on twitter. I’m not the only one, as well. But there are CA shippers on twitter who like them both that join in on discussions, and they don’t suffer any negative treatment from me or any other CA shipper who don’t like Zack or Tifa. In fact, the whole contrast makes for a great discussion between CA shippers. So, do understand why we found that particular claim unbelievable as we are the ones who are active on the clerith fandom.

And let me add: the clerith shippers who do like Tifa and Zack do have tumblr accounts as well.

Also, the CA anon mentioned the CxA Forums. They have moderators who monitor the forums, and any sort of bashing is relegated to a specific bashing section so that it will not be prominent in any other. The only way someone would see hate there is if that person went into the bashing section itself.

Since we’re already on the topic:

What counts as “hate” for Tifa and Zack? What do fans deem as insulting to these characters?

I honestly can’t remember calling them names, or saying nasty things about them just for the sake of spreading hate for them. I may have been aggressive in some of my posts that can be viewed as anti, but it was never for the sake of just hating on them.

What I also remember is that I’ve been vocal of the reasons why I don’t like them, adding in known facts to support my own reasons for my personal dislike of the two. It was not done to garner hate toward them, but merely to express my own opinion. My fellow cleriths do not have to agree with everything I say, nor am I asking that of them. In fact, I would welcome their honest feedback or any discussion they would like to raise. Clerith fans have already done that on twitter.

With that said, if you do come across any of my posts, or any other cleriths’ as well that you deem is full of meaningless hate and animosity, bring it to my attention and I will try to address the issue as much as I can, with astoryofalove’s help as well.

And I’m sorry, but that CA anon followed-up and submitted another ask to the same blog that said this:

Hi! I'm the Clerith fan who confessed about the Tifa/Zack hate in the fandom. Thank you for being nice to me! I thought of telling my rants to someone who doesn't hate Tifa and Zack, that's why I wrote to you. I'm sorry you're getting hate because of me >< I can prove that I'm a true blue Clerith fan though, I just don't know how without getting bashed by these defensive Cleriths, so if you know any means please do tell! And I'm glad to have come across your blog! I see you aren't biased at all

This is after that blog commented on astoryofalove’s post containing her reaction to the CA anon’s confession.

My issues about it are these parts:

1) I'm sorry you're getting hate because of me ><

Which is just untrue. I checked. Aside from my comment when I reblogged it with my response to the CA anon, Cali’s response, and a fellow clerith’s response to Cali’s post, all of which are in no way directing hate towards the blog’s owner, the rest are c/loti and clerith fans who agree with the owner and had only nice things to say for him/her and the CA anon.

So I have to ask, where did this anon get this idea? Because I most definitely did not see any proof of it.

2) I can prove that I'm a true blue Clerith fan though, I just don't know how without getting bashed by these defensive Cleriths, so if you know any means please do tell!

Have we bashed this anon since he/she has made the confession? Any name-calling or nasty comments thrown his/her way? None. I admit I have doubted his/her credibility as a clerith fan, but I did say why: Because what he/she said he/she has experienced was not what I have seen in the active clerith community. Of course, this is only on the platforms that I am actively participating in. But as the sites that the CA anon has listed (CxA Forums/twitter/tumblr) are all places I am active in (tho I now rarely visit the CxA Forums due to network problems), I was highly doubtful of his/her claim.

And excuse us for being defensive. Years of hate and animosity towards us has made it so, especially for those of us who has been in this fandom almost all our lives. If that is taken against us, we can do nothing about that except to say that we have our own reasons for being so.

Moreover, why ask a c/loti blog how to prove one is a clerith? The answer is quite simple: Go off anon and send me, or anyone else, a message owning up to being this CA anon. You will not get any backlash, I assure you. Your approach to this whole issue would have made a world of difference.

And I would also like to take this opportunity to defend astoryofalove against the blog owner’s response to Cali’s post:

This is not about you and you shouldn’t make it about you. This is not about your history or your essays, but this is about the anon’s experience and about the people who got fed up by hatred towards Tifa and Zack that caused them to avoid the fandom. Nothing in my post argues against Clerith, criticizes Aerith or mocks any Clerith’s interpretation of canon.

astoryofalove had asked that the clerith tag be removed from the post containing the CA anon’s confession, and went on to give her reason for not believing in this confession which was based on her own experience.

astoryofalove has been the target of hate for years because she is the most vocal among us. And yes, her defenses may have been raised in response to what the owner of the c/loti blog said to the CA anon about ALL the essays for clerith being hateful toward Tifa or the relationship between Cloud and Tifa as the reason the owner turned away from the clerith ship. But do understand that it was because she was vocal about her dislike for Zack and Tifa, thus was of the belief that it was her whom the owner was pertaining to. After all, no one else posts essays for clerith anymore these days aside from astoryofalove, and lately me.

I also do not understand why the owner’s response said this:

Nothing in my post argues against Clerith, criticizes Aerith or mocks any Clerith’s interpretation of canon.

Because astoryofalove’s response never mentioned anything about it, nor did she even allude to it being a reason for her to ask the removal of the clerith tag and changing it in that post. The request was not done because it argued against clerith, criticized Aerith, or mocked any Clerith interpretation of canon. The request was done because the CA anon’s confession was unfounded in our eyes, and thus paints the clerith community in a negative light with no proof, which we do not need in the clerith tag.

Moving on to other matters...

astoryofalove had asked that this post be removed from the clerith tag. And I have asked the same of the owner of the blog, in private. The tag has since been removed, but the owner told me it was not done because we requested it so, but for the owner’s own reasons.

I have to admit, I was curious as to what these reasons were. And what I read further saddened me. And I want to address the owner’s reasons here:

I took out the tag because the message of my post is 1] automatically invalidated due to being published in a C/loti blog 2] Because Cleriths who agreed on my post are in risk of bearing wave of retaliation.

1) the message of my post is 1] automatically invalidated due to being published in a C/loti blog

It was not “automatically invalidated” because it was published in a c/loti blog. Cleriths who read it from Cali’s post found it “ridiculous” or perhaps unbelievable simply because it was. This is due to the fact that, like I’ve said, there are CA shippers who like Tifa and Zack, maybe even more than those who dislike them. We are not in every site, every social media platform, so we may not be aware of the Tifa or Zack hate on these places, but in the sites where our presence is active or known, we do not see this unless it is of our own doing-which, I repeat, is only our own opinion and not done to foster hate among the fandom or single out those whose opinions differ from ours. And it’s not that often that we voice our dislike anyway.

2) Because Cleriths who agreed on my post are in risk of bearing wave of retaliation

I checked. And no, not one of those who agreed to the owner’s post with the CA anon’s confession was given any indication or a hint of getting attacked or garnering any retaliation of any kind. And even after my and astoryofalove’s posts, nothing of the sort has happened. So I have to ask, why did this person make this claim? What was his/her basis of saying so? Where was his/her proof? I may never know the answer, but I will say this:

We speak up only when provoked. We do not start any sort of drama, and those who are proven to have been doing so will be dealt with as long as they are brought to our attention. That is how seriously we treat cases like this.

In addition, once the whole post regarding the reason why the clerith tag was removed from the original post is read, readers would see this:

What was disappointing is that there are real points that were ignored:

Massive hate on Zack and Tifa causing shippers to move away

Not treating Cloud and Aerith as individuals (even in the Zerith pair

And that Cleriths are diverse and can disagree with each other, and that they are can also be critical of their own fandom

The entire post is taken emotionally and stripped of its value of discussion. It has already reached an audience who expressed agreement, but it’s pointless to keep it there.

1) The point about “Massive hate on Zack and Tifa causing shippers to move away” was ignored

We did not ignore this. We just cannot believe it. I have yet to see this “massive hate on Zack and Tifa” that is implied to be widespread among the clerith community. Like I’ve said, astoryofalove and I have expressed our dislike of the two, and we’ve seen cleriths agree and disagree with us, all in a healthy environment with a positive discussion. No bashing, no criticism, no harassment has ever resulted from it.

We also addressed the CA anon’s concerns about feeling alone in the fandom. I would have wanted the chance to try and make it so he/she would feel secure in being part of the fandom—if only he/she had come to me. And I believe other clerith shippers would share the same sentiment. The CA anon had only needed to take her concern to us, and we would have gladly listened, no matter the difference in our preferences.

2) The point about “Not treating Cloud and Aerith as individuals” was ignored

This was never brought up by that CA anon. I don’t understand how this even came to be a point. Still, I will say something about it.

Please do not say that we do not treat Cloud and Aerith as individuals, as separate entities that can exist without the other. That is not what we do. Sure, most of our posts are us celebrating how Cloud and Aerith’s appearances in the OG and other games are somehow deeply connected to them being a pair, but that does not mean that we are stripping them of their individuality. It is just that we tend to focus on them as a pair most of the time as shippers. If cleriths want to discuss their individuality, one only needs to start the discussion, and the rest will surely follow.

Excuse us if we’re too excited about the clerith fluff we get that we do not talk about their individual characters as often, and instead fangirl over their portrayal as a pair. We’re called shippers for a reason. Doesn’t mean that we never talk about them as individual characters.

3) The point about “And that Cleriths are diverse and can disagree with each other, and that they are can also be critical of their own fandom” was ignored

I have already said that we are aware of cleriths who have differing opinions, and that contrast makes for a good discussion. This is something we are already aware of. And we also welcome any criticism that is directed at us by fellow shippers, as long as they approach us in a good way. We will not turn them away or rebuke them. In fact, I’d daresay that we’d welcome it instead.

4) The entire post is taken emotionally and stripped of its value of discussion. It has already reached an audience who expressed agreement, but it’s pointless to keep it there.

We did not strip it of its value of discussion. We did not discourage cleriths from speaking about voicing their experiences that relate to the original post about the CA anon’s confession. You, blog-owner, even said it already. It has “reached an audience who expressed their agreement”, and a discussion was actually starting. What came of that discussion, or what did not come of it, was not in any way our responsibility or doing.

In fact, astoryofalove and I have made our own posts with our own responses, trying to address the issue with fellow cleriths. And considering that astoryofalove has a number of Clerith followers, those who had anything to say had already done so, whether by simply liking the post of making a comment. It is not our fault that no one else wanted to chime in, for their own reasons.

Having said all of that... For my fellow clerith shippers:

If my or astoryofalove’s posts have too much hate on them for Tifa or Zack in the rare times we do give them our attention, you can always unfollow and block us. We will not hold it against you. It just means you do not want our content on your feed, and that’s fine with us.

We’re here to speak and advocate for Clerith, for the love between Cloud and Aerith. If you do see hate on our posts, frankly, most of it is really directed toward the rabids who invade our tag with their brand of negativity, and so we retaliate.

Cleriths have stood by and have been silent for years. But that is no longer the case. As new fans fall in love with the love story of Cloud and Aerith, and old fans are brought back into the fold, you may see more of us. But I assure you, it will not be about hating on Zack and Tifa.

We are “Cleriths”, not “Zack and Tifa haters”. Just because a number of us dislike these two doesn’t mean the whole fandom does. So try not to generalize, the same way we distinguish the rabids from the good ones.

Thank you for reading this very long post. Happy shipping to all of you!

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