how do Pete and Billy feel about the short but memorable 90s swing/ska revivals, if anything at all?
Whoa whoa whoa!
Don’t conflate two terrible movements there, pally!
SHORT ANSWER: Billy loves all of it and Pete turns up his nose, saying it was all done better in the ‘80s. (This is the copy-paste answer for their opinions on a lot of things, actually.)
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Pete, as a professional radio DJ, stays aware of what the indie labels are putting out but thinks the new stuff has no merit. He didn’t even like 2-Tone that much in ‘82 but he can recognize a copy-of-a-copy.
↑ 1998 Billy got those ska shoes... Doc Marten 3989 Brogue (work in progress)
Billy may have the Billboard Top-50 memorized for every year going back to 1960 (essential trivia stuff) and can go head-to-head with Pete on arguing particularities, he’s not a music snob. There’s loud brass. The music is fast. You get to dress up in a suit or suspenders (call ‘em “braces” though) and people dance skank rather than stand around nodding, looking too cool to enjoy themselves. Going to a ska show is FUN.
Ditto for Neo-Swing for the half-second it was popular. Billy likes to dance (and is surprisingly good at it since his mother made him attend dance lessons from age 5 on). He took a swing dancing class at Parks and Rec but for height reasons had to be in the kids’ class (S04 E15). He offers to take White dancing since he didn’t get to play a film noir archetype in Hank’s detective fantasy despite dressing up as a newsboy. (Doc’s Commentary on S04E12).
It’s probably the worst kind of dancing for him to attempt — the leaps, holds, drops, dips or even simple spins would be impossible unless his partner was his size and few parents would be cool with an adult man (aged 22-ish at the height of the Swing Revival) throwing their kindergartner around.
First some history…indulge me...
First Wave Ska is centered on Jamaica in the ‘60s and is all black. This is more mellow proto-reggae stuff— originally a mix of American R&B/early rock-and-roll with a Caribbean beat. Prince Buster. Desmond Dekker. Jimmy Cliff. (check out 1964 concert film/documentary “This is Ska” )
Second Wave Ska (also called 2-Tone) was based in Britain in the late ‘70s-80s and was notable for bands made up of native Britons and immigrant/2nd generation Jamaican-British musicians— a mix of black and white so “2-tone,” dig? The message was anti-racist at a time when racist skinheads/hooligans were rising. It’s faster and more rock-like. Aside from the ska bands themselves— The Specials, Madness, The (English) Beat, Bad Manners (their singer Buster Bloodvessel looked like Tor Johnson and had a huge tongue), The Selecters (another rare girl singer) — that ska-style off-beat (ka-chink ka-chink) and skank guitar line (“up-stroke”) is all over British rock from that era— Elvis Costello to the Police to The Clash. (I’m not giving you links for those) If you like ska, this is what you like.
1990s Ska is Third Wave Ska (aka Ska-Punk), centered in the US (Boston and Orange County, CA seem to be hot spots) and was white white white. Jettisoning the taint of politics and the whole ‘racial harmony’ aspect of ska in favor of either aggro frat boy yelling (The Mighty Mighty Bosstones*, Op-Ivy/Rancid) or goofiness that would make even Suggs say “Show some dignity, man” (The Aquabats). Ska-punk was over by decade’s end, currently being revived on the nostalgic cycle for the Class of ‘00 turning 40 this year.
Third Wave Ska did establish the “band name must include a pun on ska in the title” rule (Mephiskapheles, Bim Skala Bim) and locked in the guys in matching suits motif. If you’re making fun of ska, this is what you’re making fun of.
Famous bands of the movement... um…. No Doubt, I guess? They were ska-ish. Had a girl singer, which was super rare in all of ska. It’s a bro-y genre. Other bands? (I’m going from memory so I’m going to go with the ones with the funniest names first.) Voodoo Glow Skulls, Mustard Plug, Five Iron Frenzy, Less than Jake, Reel Big Fish, Sublime (their biggest hit was about Date Rape/Prison Rape. Bro-y.) … maybe Smashmouth (but that's 2000, too late). For some reason there’s a lot of Christian Third Wave Ska AND a lot of white nationalist Third Wave Ska (I won’t speak to how much of an overlap there is).
Really, 3rd Wave was mostly about local bands (Isaac Greene and the Skalars, ‘Ska King Crab) of high school/college kids with their horns left over from the school marching band playing in a VFW hall for their friends.It’s not meant to be good, it’s meant to be fun. After a couple years, the few bands with chops evolved into Northern/Blue-Eyed Soul bands or… swing orchestras? (Wait for it)
look at these fuckin' GAP chodes.
Now, the “swing revival” was an LA-based sub-cultural blip gone nationwide between a two minute scene in the 1996 movie Swingers (never forgive Jon Favreau for this no matter how much you like the Mandalorian) and a 1998 TV commercial for GAP with people dancing to Louis Prima while dressed like Best Buy employees in a cult (missing the whole appeal of dressing up to go dancing). At most, a two year vogue and no one can really explain why.
Breakout bands. None, really. The Brian Setzer Orchestra, Big Bad Voodoo Daddy. The Cherry Poppin’ Daddies (bro-y) had a Zoot Suit Riot but immediately disappeared.
Rockabilly/Psychobilly was already its own unconnected retro subculture. There have always been “retro bands” doing their own thing— Oingo Boingo’s first incarnation as a Cab Calloway-covering big band The Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo to Squirrel Nut Zippers or Combustible Edison** — but they’re not really a movement.
Did Swing Revival grow out of 3rd Wave Ska when the horn section realized there was more to life than playing three notes in a row? Was it Space Age Bachelor Pad Music*** collectors wanting to get off the mid century modern couch and shake a leg? Was it super fans of Swing Kids and The Mask grown up and drunk in public for the first time?
Swing Dancing, even at its most popular, is very dorky. People who do it don’t care so mainly dorks do it. Billy does swing dancing. So...
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*full disclosure: this author wore a Mighty Mighty Bosstones t-shirt (bulldog logo) in high school after buying it as a souvenir while looking at colleges in Boston. The band finally broke up this year over internal conflict with lead singer Dickie becoming an anti-vaxxer, wrecking their touring options.
** Combustible Edison’s biggest under-aged fan circa 1995, right here. (points two thumbs at self, note hands have been X’d to prevent buying beer at 9:30 Club)
***I was one of these but I stayed on the couch.
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- Yes, if you’re not familiar, this band really is called that, and yes, this really is ska music. I know, it’s 2022 and I’m watching ska-punk videos, but lemme explain.
- I grew up at the tail end-ish of, what I think might be referred to in ska circles as, Fourth Wave Ska (?) i.e. where it collided with (pop)punk and somewhat entered back into, sort of, pop cultural consciousness. So, your Reel Big Fishes, Less Than Jakes and all the other local, home town ska-punk equivalents, such as your Capdowns or Lightyears in the UK.
- At one of the first gigs I ever went to, I saw RX Bandits supporting New Found Glory. RX Bandits differing from this band by having a slightly less traditional ‘ska-core’ sound, but similar to them in that they also had an East Asian member of the band in Steve Choi.
- Seeing East Asians in punk bands was kind of big deal for me as a half Malaysian-Chinese teenager in a pretty white part of the UK. Not to mention seeing a band called with this name, a word up until then I’d only been on the sharp end of was pretty mind blowing, and sorta is even now.
- Despite not listening to this band or Mike Park’s other bands a great amount then or now, I’ve still always had a soft spot for this song and recently discovered it had a video, of which I was not disappointed in. Its grainy 240p, simplicity mirrors the way the 128kbps MP3 of Big World still sounds in head (and the cheap, tinny headphones I had as a teen ).
- What’s confounding about this song is the discord, almost, between lyrical content and music; with the former addressing the pain of the cultural / generational gap between Asian immigrants parents and their children over what feels like a simple, catchy and super-upbeat ska tune:
“I thought about my dad tonight
And asked God, "Is he gonna be alright?"
And my mind thinks I can't give enough
And I can't pour enough
And my love is not enough in this big world”
...I’m skanking with tears in my eyes for fucks sake.
- And hat’s off to Mike Park for not only calling his band the racial slur you’re on the receiving end of, but also further confounding expectation by not making that band an obvious, aggressive ‘fuck-you’ hardcore band, but a fun, positive and upbeat ska band. You’re a better man than I’ll ever be mate.
[PS enjoy the song but, no, you can’t say the band name unless you’re East Asian 🕴🕴🕴]
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Punk: The world is fucked and I’m pissed
Goth: The world is fucked and it’s beautiful
Scene: The world is fucked and it’s creative
Emo: The world is fucked and I’m sad
Midwest Emo: The world is fucked and I’m silly
Ska: The world is fucked and I have a trumpet
Nu Metal: The world is fucked and I’ll keep it that way
Math rock: I don’t know how to have sex, I’m a virgin
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