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#spn 11.20
mittensmorgul · 6 months
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this exchange from 11.20 explains every last one of chuck's motivations in s15 (and in the entire series, honestly)
METATRON: You want to sell the best-selling autobiography of all time? You explain to me – Tell me why you abandoned me. Us.
CHUCK: Because you disappointed me. You all disappointed me.
METATRON: (Stands up and looks at CHUCK with wet eyes.) No, look. I know I'm a disappointment, but you're wrong about humanity. They are your greatest creation because they're better than you are.
It rankles, because it's TRUE. Because Chuck might've pushed the Go Button on creation, may have nudged it here and there at his whims, but I'm still not sure he intended to "create" free will. And it's almost like his "punishments" for "disobedience" to his narrative are specifically tailored to try and crush any hope or art or dreams or love out of humanity. Because those are not just things that are "human" things as Hannah once told Cas, but specifically the things that make humanity better than Chuck himself. Because it took *humans* to invent them. Chuck just took them for himself, and never actually understood or *learned* from any of it.
Metatron *did* learn. We all know Cas learned. Later on, Anael will begin to learn. Even Amara dove headfirst into the wonder and experience of creation after forgiving Chuck for locking her away. But Chuck? He never has to face himself that way. He never relents or repents or grows or changes, just finds new and innovative ways to put his characters into situations to punish them for their supposed failure. And then turns it around on them and blames HIS issues on anyone and everyone else, as if that was proof of his thesis.
And he couldn't get his "win" until he could convince his characters to just stop fighting back.
(and 15.19 was proof of concept)
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deancasforcutie · 1 year
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THEE Bisexuals in Epic Song Sequences franchise
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lower-the-volume · 7 months
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11.20 Don't Call Me Shurley
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ardentpoop · 2 months
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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archivistsammy · 2 years
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stackednatural, may 4
1.22 “devil’s trap” // 7.21 “reading is fundamental” // 11.20 “don’t call me shurley” // 12.20 “twigs & twine & tasha banes”
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castiellesbian · 1 year
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Robbie Thompson:
7.06 Slash Fiction
7.12 Time After Time
7.20 The Girl with the Dungeons and Dragons Tattoo
8.04 Bitten
8.11 LARP and the Real Girl
8.17 Goodbye Stranger
8.20 Pac-Man Fever
9.04 Slumber Party
9.11 First Born
9.18 Meta Fiction
10.05 Fan Fiction
10.11 There's No Place Like Home
10.18 Book of the Damned
10.20 Angel Heart
11.04 Baby
11.11 Into the Mystic
11.16 Safe House
11.20 Don't Call Me Shurley
Eric Kripke:
1.01 Pilot
1.02
1.09 Home
1.16 Shadow
1.22 Devil's Trap
2.01 In My Time of Dying
2.22 All Hell Breaks Loose: Part Two
3.01 The Magnificent Seven
3.16 No Rest for the Wicked
4.01 Lazarus Rising
4.10 Heaven and Hell
4.22 Lucifer Rising
5.01 Sympathy for the Devil
5.09 The Real Ghostbusters
5.22 Swan Song
6.22 The Man Who Knew Too Much
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katsidhe · 1 year
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wrt. to season 15, and late season 11 once Chuck has returned, I think it is literally impossible that Lucifer doesn’t deeply, deeply resent Sam for having been the one to catalyze his father’s homecoming. Because like, let’s go over what happened there: Lucifer plays the big bad rebel, gets locked up and relegated to solitary isolation for millennia. Sam comes along and not only ruins Lucifer’s plans and sticks him back in the Cage, but does so in a way that messes up God’s original meta plans in a way that Lucifer knows he never could. I think that a lot of Lucifer’s fury in s5 and in s11 is from the way he’s never been able to foil Chuck-as-chessmaster: his rebellions were all for nothing, they were scripted, and everyone else buys in. 
But not Sam. Even without all the messy baggage of Sam, and not Lucifer, being the one to finally convince Chuck to come home and see if the stove’s turned off in s11, there’s still the fact of that initial victory. Sam tears up the script in s5, and then he does it again in s11--he’s the one who summons Amara, he’s the one who Chuck comes for in 11.20. It’s worth noting that while Chuck is rescuing Sam, Lucifer is literally being tortured by Amara. I promise that this has not escaped his notice. 
Chuck’s story requires that Sam/Abel/Lucifer/Amara (and arguably Mary) be rebels. The role of the rebel can be heroic, tragic, sympathetic, regrettable, or even out-and-out villainous, but it is a requisite: Chuck needs people who are dissatisfied with the rules as written. This proscribed rebellion is both what prompts Lucifer’s nihilism and what eventually lets Sam emerge victorious from the smoking rubble of SPN.
Meta-narratively, there is something fascinating in how Chuck seems far more invested in justifying/exploring the reasons for Dean/Cain/Michael/his own actions—his own role in the story, that of status quo—than in exploring the bitterness and grievance that Sam/Abel/Lucifer/Amara feel. It’s that sense of narrative disenfranchisement that makes Lucifer and Amara lose themselves, but it also gives Sam the chance to sneak under the radar.
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peach-coke · 3 years
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➤ Supernatural | Sam & Dean Graphic Challenge Day Four || Favorite Brotherly Declaration || 2.09 - Croatoan | 11.20 - Don't Call Me Shurley
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blowjob-horseguy · 3 years
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11×20 don't call me Shirley gives me sooo many brain worms
I mean imagine fUCKing imagine you finally see the father who abandoned you, the warm light that shone on you and then left you cold for so many years and you ask him why he left and he won't answer and you ask him why he chose you, why you were so special he singled you out, and he says you were closest to the door and you aks him to take responsibility for the world he created and he says it's not his problem and finally you blow up at him and you call him all those names that have been bubbling just under your skin for all those years he was away and you ask one more time why he left you and he says "you disappointed me"
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foxthefanboi · 4 years
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Whumptober Nº13 - BREATHE IN BREATHE OUT
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hermesuprising · 3 years
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So destiel tricked me into caring about supernatural again and i started this little project since Dan and Metatron share the same actor and I’ve always liked this scene. however, the finale happened and i lost all motivation to work on it for a bit lmao. I finally got myself to finish it over the holiday, though! fun game: try to timestamp the exact moment i gave up completely in the tags or replies
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mittensmorgul · 1 year
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Okay, I have a lot of thoughts i’ve been rotating for a while now, and even if I don’t have a coherent overarching meta composed in my head yet, I feel I need to at least record some of these thoughts for future reference. Buckle up. It’s a lot.
I’ll start with a few overarching themes and points that cover the entire series, and then move into the specifics of the most recent episode, the PENULTIMATE episode lol, 1.12. gonna just bullet point these for ease of reference purposes:
-a ridiculous percentage of the series has dealt with monsters/entities with their own little pocket dimensions. yes, this was a thing the original series touched on occasionally-- djinn dream universes created entirely inside someone’s mind, gabriel’s eternal tuesday time loop, gabriel’s weirdo tv land, the soul eater nest in 11.16, and even chuck’s bar at the end of the universe from 11.20. Or like... the entire concept of alternate universes introduced in 6.15 The French Mistake that may or may not have been a construct by Balthazar... up to interpretation... and the final seasons wrangling of several specific alternate universes
so far in The Winchesters we have, by episode:
(under a cut because this got long lol)
*eta: since it’s been pointed out to me that not everyone’s managed to memorize all the spn prime episodes by number, here’s the Mittens Decoder Page on the superwiki by episode number: http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/Category:Episodes
1.01 the Loup Garou and the Monster Trap Box (which can only be recharged by things that are “not of this earth”, specifically they will learn it’s a transporter device that sends creatures trapped by it back to whatever world’s item has “charged” the box) they were searching for, hidden in a secret chamber for years.
1.02 La Tunda, who lures victims into her little pocket dimension trap via roots pulling them underground. she can only be killed by being stabbed with a piece of her own wood/body
1.03 the Bori Baba who lures victims into a pocket dimension trap via a burlap sack. he can only be destroyed (and his captives freed) by them willingly relinquishing/destroying the beloved thing he lured them with.
1.04 Mars Neto who lures victims into a pocket dimension trap and makes them relive trauma and fight him. Could only be defeated/rendered mortal when the amphora containing his power was shattered.
1.05 djinn... but these are slightly different than any of the djinn we know from original canon. they can form a link directly into someone else’s mind and control them out in the real world, not just in a pocket universe trap... it turns victims’ own minds into the trap
1.06 a vengeful spirit of a POSSESSED VAMPIRE of an entirely new variety, who broke free of a trap where he’d been locked for decades, because his friends felt helpless against his growing darkness/involvement with dark magic that was twisting who he was. Lata had to force him to confront that and confess, and the possessing spirit chooses to leave John in an act of doing the right thing.
1.07 straight-up Akrida-- the monsters apparently from an alternate universe trying to invade our world to devour it all (reminiscent of the tentacle monsters Sam and Dean found trapped in a different MoL capitulum clubhouse and accidentally released in 12.17, but bugs instead of tentacles...). They are our overarching Big Bad, who bridge the gap between pocket dimension and possession/mind control that surrounds so many of the themes of the series. but this episode explores them in more depth (right down to the underground lair where the queen was trapped). I feel the need to mention it somewhere, but the akrida used radio waves as a lure for all the bizarre monsters our core four have been dealing with all season, connecting the akrida directly to every other specific monster we’ve seen them confront. Episode literally called “Reflections” which leads me into:
1.08 Loki/Gabriel? Who I already mentioned above as a creator of pocket dimensions and messing with minds in original canon. And for some reason at the end of the episode, he’s trapped inside a mirror, a bit of lore we’ve never seen connected to Loki or Gabriel leaving me to wonder how trapped he actually is... A reflection, as it were.
1.09 vampires... but more the sort we already know from spn prime canon. except the whole mission around them involves a PROPHECY unwittingly stamped onto John’s hand. We’re reminded that prophecy can’t be avoided, BUT you can control some of the circumstances AROUND the prophecy. Context matters, and tiny glimpses of things aren’t representative of the whole truth. (4.18 anyone...)
1.10 A very Magnus-coded (who if you remember created his own little pocket universe to live in with his monster zoo and collection of supernatural relics) disgraced MoL who lies about his identity, his past, and his motives for returning to the clubhouse now. Literally wants to transfer his and his wife’s consciousnesses into John and Mary’s bodies to get back the life the Akrida had stolen from them and he felt they were owed... with no self-awareness that this actually made HIM the monster in this case. 
1.11 the Shadow Spirits generated by Maggie’s magical bracelet that both showed the wearer the truth about hidden motivations AND could also become a trap. Carlos and Lata are pulled into a shadowy trap (not just in their minds! they are no longer physically in the house! they were pulled bodily into some sort of pocket universe BY A SHADOW (you know, the proper term for the Empty Entity in spn prime canon?). Where their only hope for escape was Lata confessing her deep, dark hidden secret to Carlos. She was terrified that he would reject her if he knew the truth about her, that Carlos would be ashamed of her, but he reconfirmed that he loves her unconditionally, and nothing will ever change that.
She’d felt guilt and responsibility for the actions of others for so long, but Carlos helped her see the whole picture again, that it was not her fault, that she’d been helpless to circumstance and wasn’t at fault for her father’s bad actions-- even to the point where they led to the death of an innocent woman.
But the other function of this bracelet, used on Betty to show her the TRUTH of the akrida-possessed people finally gave US a look at how akrida possession works. It’s not just the little spikes in the neck doing the controlling through chemicals or whatever, they seem to function like some sort of weird antenna that connects them via mysterious green tentacles of light up into the sky. Where do they go? I thought the akrida queen was buried underground, not in the sky? Who or what is pulling those poisonous green strings?
aside to mention lata found the bracelet hidden in A CAN OF RAT POISON, along with a tasty treat that carlos devoured. the rat poison packaging was just a decoy to keep anyone else from accidentally finding Maggie’s bracelet (and her stash of tasty treats lol)
1.12 LIMBO’S HOUSE OF HAPPY. a fucking CARNIVAL TENT of a pocket universe, run by a literal clown who made a deal with a witch to create a perfect place where he would never feel sad again. (somebody PLEASE tell me this feels like 15.20... from the rando pie festival where Dean STILL doesn’t get to eat pie and has it smashed in his face instead, and then gets hung on a rusty nail after fighting off some vampire clowns/mimes and sent to a weirdo version of Heaven where he can apparently never worry about anything again? freaking dystopian, ffs... but also... very much a thematic summary of the entire metanarrative plot of the Winchesters as a whole...)
I’m gonna spend the rest of this post absolutely yelling about this last one. While watching, my brain just kept lighting up with references to past canon.
A CLOWN named LIMBO.
Of course, when we think about clowns in Supernatural, we always think of Sam’s lifelong fear of them. Apparently connected to the fact that Dean used to leave him at Plucky Pennywhistle’s as a kid, but also... almost every reference to clowns in canon prime are connected either to Azazel or to Lucifer himself.
My very first thought about LIMBO the CLOWN was 11.10 The Devil in the Details. Rowena being the one to magically assemble the “stage cage” where they’d summoned Lucifer to question him about Sam’s visions and dealing with the Darkness, and Rowena appearing in this episode (even if in an entirely different plot arc, she’s still ~there~) feels very relevant.
But we’d known that Sam’s visions in s11 were foreshadowing a return of Lucifer and possibly a trip to the cage. But... Clowns Specifically were used to foreshadow this. In 11.07 Plush, Sam was trapped IN AN ELEVATOR with a murderous clown, and the overhead shot as Sam frees the man in the clown suit from possession... looks like cage bars (screencaps from HotN):
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Remember, this was TWO EPISODES before Crowley leads Sam and Rowena INTO LIMBO in 11.09. LIMBO. Where Sam’s worst nightmare becomes reality and he’s literally trapped IN A FAKE CAGE, IN LIMBO, WITH THE ULTIMATE CLOWN:
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(screenshot from the superwiki page for 11.09)
LIMBO is where Cas says yes to possession by Lucifer, and right after this kills Rowena for her trouble, after she confesses that she’s the only one who knows the spell to force him back into the actual cage.
From 11.09:
Crowley: We are in the furthest reaches of Hell, Limbo, where I send unruly souls for timeout. Sam: This is where I meet with Lucifer? Crowley: What it lacks in ambience it makes up for in security. They come to an empty cage. Rowena paints sigils on the cage, while the thunderstorm continues to rage. Crowley: Makes your flesh crawl, doesn’t it Moose? I get it. I’m the King of this place. It’s still not my cup of tea. Sam: I don’t know, Crowley. I’d say it suits you. Dark. Empty. Crowley: Fascinating; the utter contempt, when I’m in the midst of saving the Winchester’s bacon, again. Sam: The point of this is to save everyone’s bacon, including yours. Let’s just hope she knows what she’s doing. This cell won't hold crap if the warding is not right. Rowena: Don’t you worry about me, Samuel. I’m a professional. Crowley: Are you certain you can do this without actually opening the Cage? Rowena: We are about to find out, aren’t we.
Rowena BELIEVED Lucifer would become her protector, bring her peace, security, power. But it was all a lie. And in this episode, she seeks out Ada under the pretense of talking to the specific demon Ada had trapped in a bonsai tree, looking for information about her son...
Let’s detour through some other clown references from spn, just for funsies. The cold open victim in this episode was the only one who could see the magical tent, and his friend saw and heard nothing of it (he didn’t have the magic ticket). It called back to the children in 2.02 Everybody Loves a Clown. They were the only ones who could see the Rakshasa clown, who used those children to gain entry to their homes to devour their parents.
There’s also the ghost of John Wayne Gacy in 14.13, an episode where Dean’s wish to reunite his family is fulfilled, even for a brief moment. (the ghost will return in 14.20 when Chuck cracks Hell open). But specifically this clown is tied directly to John and Mary reuniting before John chooses to go back to his own time to save everyone else and restore the timeline. John will only vaguely remember the events as some sort of pleasant dream. It comes with a side of Dean accepting his life, not WANTING to change it because everything he’s endured has combined to make him the person he’s become. GROWTH DOT GIF.
(and in 15.01 the clown ghost nearly gets sam, again...)
Which brings me back to the Akrida. Our mind-controlling, possessing archvillain of this entire narrative. Whose goal seems to revolve around being freed from a sort of cage to run riot across creation. They have apparently shifted reality, all because Dean knocked over some first mysterious domino and unleashing the chain of events he’s been recounting through the entire series.
Was that inciting incident going back in time to deliver the note to John? Was it giving John the key to the MoL clubhouse that sparked not only what appears to be a massive change in the timeline from what we’d known from spn prime, but possibly also GENERATED the akrida as a monster specifically that creates these sorts of pocket dimensions to devour?
Also, brief aside to mention DEANNA. Like, the entire early part of the season revolved around Mary concerned about Samuel being “missing.” And yet, we also learned that Deanna had disappeared to points unknown. She hadn’t been seen by anyone in MONTHS, was last assumed to be hunting with some group in Michigan (? I think? top of my head reference), and yet NOBODY has showed the same concern for her whereabouts as they collectively did for Samuel. It’s almost like they all have some sort of weird amnesia about her at this point. They just... aren’t concerned about her at all, and haven’t even mentioned her in weeks. Which makes me think she’s at the center of all of this. I would be 100% unsurprised if she’s the one possessed by the Akrida queen at this point. because otherwise, WHERE TF IS SHE. But also, WHY TF IS NOBODY ELSE SEEMINGLY CONCERNED ABOUT HER AT ALL?! It’s WEIRD.
I am generally losing my mind over all of this, and don’t know what Big Secret will be revealed in the finale, but hooBOY I am prepared to scream about it for weeks. This is all just stashed here for my own future reference purposes, and I’m sure I’ll come back and add more things as I think of them, but heck this will have to suffice for now :’D
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teamfreewill2pointo · 6 years
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Team Free Will as Daddies
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lower-the-volume · 7 months
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11.20 Don't Call Me Shurley
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milfsisyphus · 3 years
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“This isn’t funny, Dean! The voice says I’m almost out of minutes!”
5x04 “The End” // 11x20 “Don’t Call Me Shurley” // 15x18 “Despair”
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